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Trump è ancora deluso dalla Nato per l'Iran, avverte l'ambasciatore USA
L'ambasciatore USA presso l'UE Andrew Pudzer afferma che gli alleati Nato hanno commesso un «grave errore» nel non aiutare Washington nella guerra in Iran. In un'intervista a Euronews ha detto che l'Europa aveva il dovere di intervenire, dato il ruolo storico degli USA nella difesa del continente.
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L'ambasciatore USA presso l'UE Andrew Pudzer afferma che gli alleati Nato hanno commesso un «grave errore» nel non aiutare Washington nella guerra in Iran. In un'intervista a Euronews ha detto che l'Europa aveva il dovere di intervenire, dato il ruolo storico degli USA nella difesa del continente.
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00:08Joining me on 12 Minutes this week
00:10at the Brussels Economic Security Forum
00:12is US Ambassador to the EU
00:13Andrew Pudzer. Ambassador,
00:16you're very welcome. Thanks for joining us on Euronews.
00:17Pleasure to be here. Thank you.
00:18Earlier this week, the European Commission
00:21unveiled what it calls a tech
00:23sovereignty package. And the idea
00:25is to remove
00:27dependencies on tech companies
00:29in China and the United States
00:31in an effort to basically shore up
00:34European security.
00:35What's your reaction to that?
00:36Because the Europeans say this is necessary.
00:38Well, it's a very thick bill
00:40and I have not had a chance
00:41to look through it very thoroughly.
00:43But I hope that this tech sovereignty
00:47doesn't drive a wedge
00:49between the United States and Europe
00:51in the tech area
00:52because I think that it's very important
00:54that they stay united,
00:55that we partner with Europe.
00:57We've now got a,
00:58hopefully by the end of this month,
01:00we'll have a trade agreement.
01:02We've got Paxilica,
01:03which is an effort to involve our allies,
01:07including the European Union,
01:09in the chip industry,
01:11in our supply chains
01:12and in artificial intelligence generally.
01:14We've got a critical minerals
01:15memorandum of understanding
01:17so we can try and maybe ring fence
01:19some economies so that we're not
01:22subject to economic coercion
01:24when it comes to these rare earth minerals.
01:25Europe is behind in the AI race.
01:28They're way behind China
01:29and China is behind the United States.
01:32They're not going to catch up.
01:33So I think the more they separate
01:35from the U.S. AI hardware stack,
01:37which is important
01:38if you're going to be in the AI economy,
01:40the more they separate themselves from that,
01:42the more negative it's going to be.
01:43So I'm hoping it'll be more of a partnership
01:45and less of a competition.
01:47But the EU would say,
01:49well, we're too reliant on the United States
01:51for financial services
01:52as well as digital services.
01:54And one example that has come up
01:55over the past few months
01:56is the U.S. sanctions on judges
01:58at the International Criminal Court,
02:00where those judges who live in The Hague,
02:02in a European country,
02:03can no longer use their Microsoft accounts
02:06and can no longer use U.S. credit cards
02:08or credit cards that everybody else has.
02:10So they feel that's not right,
02:12but also they shouldn't be relying on the U.S.
02:14for supplying these services.
02:17We definitely have disagreements
02:19with these particular judges
02:22and the way that they've dealt
02:24with international law
02:25and American companies,
02:27American individuals,
02:28as well as other people around the globe.
02:31But this is a small part
02:34of what's involved in a massive relationship,
02:39a cross-continental relationship
02:41that's very, very intertwined.
02:43You really can't break it up.
02:46You can't remove it.
02:47You can't...
02:48Europe is far enough behind
02:51the United States and China
02:52that it really can't catch up.
02:54So I don't know that separating off
02:56is going to solve the problems
02:57they're trying to solve.
02:58But the point I suppose they're making
03:00is that they need to be independent
03:02to protect themselves
03:03from a sovereign perspective.
03:05But also there are concerns
03:06because of the last year or so
03:08with the Trump administration
03:09the Europeans feel slightly under threat
03:12or slightly coerced.
03:13If you look at maybe the trade deal
03:16that was agreed in Turnberry
03:17just at the end of last summer
03:19that there was a 15% tariff rate
03:21imposed on the Europeans.
03:23It wasn't much of a negotiation.
03:24You have also the Greenland issue.
03:27So the Europeans feel now is the time
03:29not to decouple
03:30but to at least de-risk
03:32from the United States as well as China.
03:34So with the trade agreement,
03:35the trade agreement is an effort
03:38that President von der Leyen
03:39and President Trump mutually negotiated
03:41to try and rebalance
03:43a very unbalanced trade relationship.
03:45Our largest trade deficit in the world
03:46is with the European Union.
03:48Now it is the largest trade relationship
03:50in the world
03:51but for years you would pay
03:53a 10% tariff to sell a Cadillac in Berlin
03:56but you'd only pay a 2.5% tariff
03:58to sell a Mercedes-Benz in Detroit.
04:01And nobody in Europe seemed to be complaining
04:03about the imbalance at that point in time.
04:05It's only now that we're trying
04:06to rebalance the relationship
04:07that that inequity created
04:09that people are complaining.
04:10The 50% tariff you mentioned
04:12is on steel and aluminum
04:14and I will also point out
04:15that Europe has a 50% tariff
04:17on steel and aluminum.
04:18The idea of those tariffs
04:19is both to keep out subsidized product
04:24from China
04:25where they're selling steel and aluminum
04:28at prices that really nobody in the world
04:31can compete with
04:32because they're subsidized
04:33by the Chinese government.
04:35So Europe is doing the same thing
04:36on steel and aluminum
04:38that the United States is.
04:39On Greenland,
04:40what the President said
04:41was he wouldn't take any options
04:42off the table.
04:43Greenland is a very strategically important issue
04:46for the United States.
04:47It's important for Europe.
04:48I don't think really a year ago
04:50if we had this discussion
04:51people would be as aware
04:52of how strategically important Greenland is.
04:55So it's important for the United States.
04:57It's important for Europe.
04:58and it's important
05:00that people understand
05:01that this is an area of the country,
05:02area of the world
05:03where China and Russia
05:05will try and take advantage.
05:07And I think they're
05:08a little more nervous
05:08about how the United States
05:10would react
05:10than they are about
05:11how Denmark would react.
05:12So would you,
05:12can you say then
05:13that Denmark has nothing
05:14to worry about?
05:15Because we did also see
05:16the Prime Minister of Greenland
05:17saying that the U.S. envoy
05:19to nuke
05:20pretty much had the same intentions
05:22as Donald Trump said
05:23he did back in January.
05:24Marco Rubio said
05:25Greenland's part of Denmark for now.
05:27So it seems to be
05:28a little bit more
05:28than highlighting
05:29the security threat
05:31from Russia and China
05:32in the high north
05:32and the Arctic.
05:33Well, but it did highlight
05:35the security threat.
05:36I think that's the important point here.
05:37Whether or not
05:38the United States
05:38becomes more involved
05:39and the extent to which
05:40we become more involved
05:42will in fact be decided
05:43by the President,
05:44Secretary Rubio,
05:45not by me.
05:46But I think it's important
05:47we understand
05:47that it's important
05:48that the United States
05:49be involved
05:50and remain involved
05:52in Greenland.
05:53and I think it's
05:53I think Europe
05:55has now realized
05:55that it needs to step up
05:57its defense
05:58and its position
05:59with respect to Greenland.
06:00So I think we're headed
06:01in the right direction.
06:02Where it ends up
06:04that'll be,
06:04as I said,
06:05up to the President
06:05and the Secretary of State.
06:07We've seen
06:08President Zelensky of Ukraine
06:09taking,
06:10I suppose,
06:11the mantle
06:11into his own hands
06:12about trying to end
06:14the Russian invasion
06:15of his country
06:16where he wrote
06:17a letter personally
06:18for President Putin
06:19saying that he would
06:21like to meet him.
06:21Do you think
06:22this is a good idea
06:22that the Ukrainians
06:23are going to try
06:24to take control
06:25of the situation
06:26and the Europeans
06:26maybe?
06:27Because obviously
06:27the U.S.
06:28is very busy
06:29dealing with
06:30the Strait of Wormos.
06:31So the extent
06:33to which the President
06:34or Secretary Rubio
06:35are involved
06:36in the peace negotiations
06:37with Ukraine
06:39is obviously something
06:40that's in the discretion
06:42of the President.
06:43I think he's been
06:43very open
06:45that he wants
06:46to see this war end.
06:47I think it's been
06:48a great frustration
06:49to him
06:49that he hasn't
06:50been able
06:50to bring about
06:51an end to the war.
06:52I have not talked
06:53to him about it
06:54but I'd be very surprised
06:55if he objected
06:56to Putin
06:57and Zelensky talking
06:58particularly if it ended up
07:00with a resolution
07:00to this conflict.
07:01I think the Ukrainian people
07:03have lasted here
07:04much longer
07:04than anybody thought
07:05they were going to last.
07:06I think a lot of people
07:07thought they maybe
07:08wouldn't make it
07:09a couple weeks
07:09and I think we're
07:10in year five.
07:12So they've been
07:13incredibly resilient
07:14and I hope
07:15they bring about
07:15an end to the war.
07:16I think it's important
07:17to everybody.
07:17One of the concerns
07:18that Europe has
07:19is that the Americans
07:21are moving away
07:23from the security
07:24architecture
07:25of the European continent
07:25which of course
07:26the Europeans are saying
07:27this is about time
07:28we need to step up
07:29we need to start
07:30paying five percent
07:30and so on
07:31but there's a real fear
07:34that that also means
07:35in times of war
07:37that maybe our allies
07:38won't be there for them
07:39when you look at
07:39the sort of
07:40NATO force model
07:40and the reduction
07:41of the capabilities
07:42that are existing there.
07:43Do you think America
07:44is turning away
07:45from the Europe?
07:46Well I think America
07:47is refocusing
07:49some of its energies
07:50and resources
07:51on dealing with Asia
07:53which is
07:54we have a competitor
07:56in China
07:57that really requires
07:58that we refocus
07:59how we allocate
08:00our resources
08:01and there's certainly
08:02nothing wrong
08:03with asking Europe
08:04to step up
08:04and take care of itself
08:05but look
08:06America came
08:07to the defense
08:08of Europe twice
08:08in the last century
08:09we defended Europe
08:11throughout the Cold War
08:12and actually have defended
08:13them since the fall
08:14of the Berlin Wall
08:15and the end of the Cold War
08:16so we still have
08:17massive numbers
08:18of troops here
08:19and massive numbers
08:19of military armaments
08:21and supplies
08:22there's nothing wrong
08:23with the United States
08:24cutting back on that
08:25and Europe taking
08:26a more assertive role
08:27in its own defense
08:28I think that's something
08:29we want
08:29and I believe it's something
08:31that the Europeans
08:31now realize
08:32and that the Europeans want
08:33I think that some
08:34of the fears
08:35from the European capitals
08:36is that it's happening
08:37at a time
08:38when the United States
08:39particularly President Trump
08:40is extremely disappointed
08:41he's made that very clear
08:42to Mark Rutte
08:43and so on
08:43and to the Europeans
08:44themselves
08:44about their lack
08:46of support
08:47in the aftermath
08:48of the U.S.
08:49and Israeli strikes
08:50on the Iran
08:51in relation to the Strait
08:52of Armuts
08:52has that situation
08:54subsided for Donald Trump?
08:56I don't know
08:57that it's subsided
08:58I mean I know
08:58he's very disappointed
08:59we have a situation
09:01where the President
09:04at great political risk
09:05I mean nobody
09:06you know his party
09:07was not
09:07the MAGA movement
09:09is not supportive
09:10of foreign wars
09:11the Democrats
09:12were going to oppose him
09:13no matter what he did
09:14so without really
09:15any political advantage
09:17he assessed the situation
09:19saw the development
09:20of the missiles
09:21and the drones
09:22in Iran
09:23and they're continuing
09:24to try and get access
09:26to a nuclear weapon
09:27they're having that
09:28visible nuclear material
09:30where they could create
09:3110 or 11 bombs
09:32and said
09:33rather than passing
09:34the kicking the can
09:35down the road
09:36or passing the buck
09:36whichever metaphor
09:37you want to use
09:38he decided that it was
09:39important that he act
09:40despite the fact
09:41that it wouldn't be
09:42to his political advantage
09:43because it was
09:44the right thing to do
09:45we have bases in Europe
09:47that we have funded
09:49and supported
09:49for decades
09:51we have countries
09:52that we've rescued
09:53in war
09:53and we've been
09:54a very reliable ally to
09:56when they
09:57when they won't even
09:58let us fly over
09:59their country
09:59or use our bases
10:01in their countries
10:01you're going to find
10:02the United States
10:03and particularly
10:03President Trump
10:04will be very upset
10:05and I don't know
10:06when that subsides
10:09but hopefully
10:10it will over time
10:10but I don't know
10:11if it has yet
10:12Do you think that
10:12this sort of reaction
10:13then at NATO
10:14is part of that
10:15saying look
10:15you didn't come
10:16to our aid
10:16so therefore
10:17we won't be there
10:17for you in times
10:18of need
10:19and that's why
10:19we're removing
10:20capabilities
10:21I don't think
10:22anybody said that
10:22what I've heard
10:23Secretary Rubio say
10:24is look
10:25we're supportive
10:26of NATO
10:26but the reason
10:27that we have
10:27an alliance
10:28is so that we
10:28defend each other
10:29and work together
10:30and if that's not
10:31how the alliance
10:32is going to work
10:32then we need
10:33to reassess it
10:34nobody
10:34I don't think
10:35anybody said
10:35we're pulling out
10:36of NATO
10:36we're going
10:37to pull out
10:37of NATO
10:38What about
10:39the Europeans
10:40perspective
10:40when they say
10:41NATO is a
10:41defensive organization
10:42this was an
10:43offensive war
10:45outside the territory
10:46of NATO
10:47so therefore
10:47the obligation
10:48wasn't for us
10:49particularly
10:49when we weren't
10:50consulted
10:50I think that's
10:52a little too
10:53technical
10:53and a little
10:54too ignoring
10:55of reality
10:55the Iranians
10:56have been at war
10:57with at least
10:57the United States
10:58and Israel
10:59for 47 years
11:00they've been
11:01killing people
11:02they've got
11:02these groups
11:03like Hamas
11:04and Hezbollah
11:06that go out
11:07and attack
11:07the US forces
11:09and Israeli forces
11:10they've now
11:11bombed Cyprus
11:12they tried to bomb
11:13they sent a missile
11:14down to the island
11:16off of India
11:17Diego
11:18I can't remember
11:18what the name
11:19of it is
11:19but the island
11:20that the British
11:20control off
11:21the coast
11:21Diego Garcia
11:23so I think
11:24that may be
11:26a technical
11:26explanation
11:27that tries
11:28to get them
11:29off the hook
11:29for something
11:30they maybe
11:30should have done
11:31nobody was asking
11:32them to send troops
11:33all we wanted
11:34to do was fly over
11:35fly over the countries
11:36we defended
11:37and use the air bases
11:39or the military bases
11:41that we maintain
11:41in those countries
11:42so if you're not
11:43willing to do that
11:44what are you willing
11:45to do
11:45so it was a big mistake
11:46for a small ask
11:47is that what you're saying
11:47I would say
11:48that was a very good summary
11:51Ambassador Andrew Pudson
11:52thank you very much
11:53for joining us
11:54on 12 Minutes
11:54at URO News
11:55thank you
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