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00:15Buongiorno, è Wednesday 18th March.
00:18I'm Mariette Gwynne, and you're watching Europe Today,
00:21your daily dose of European news and analysis,
00:25live here from Brussels.
00:26Coming up, the war in the Middle East is reviving tensions within the NATO alliance.
00:33US President Donald Trump berated allies once again last night
00:37for refusing to help the US force the reopening of the Strait of Hormuz,
00:42describing it as a, quote, foolish mistake.
00:46Leaders of several European nations have resisted pressure from the US
00:50to immediately send warships to the Strait for fear of being dragged into the war.
00:55With the leaders of France, Germany, the UK, Greece and Poland
01:00publicly rejecting military involvement.
01:03Meanwhile, a senior US intelligence officer close to Trump
01:07has abruptly stepped down from his role
01:10as he urged the president to, quote,
01:12reverse course on Iran.
01:15For more on this, I'm joined in the studio this morning
01:17by our correspondent, Seanan Murray.
01:19Good morning.
01:20Great to have you again.
01:22Listen, we're seeing an increasingly frustrated President Trump.
01:26He's again berating his allies and also coming under pressure internally
01:31with a senior intelligence officer stepping down.
01:33Well, let's look at the start of the week.
01:35He first said that NATO would have a very bad future
01:37if it doesn't support him in this war in the Gulf,
01:40in the Strait of Hormuz.
01:40And then yesterday, he actually said that he doesn't need NATO anymore
01:44and that his request for support was, in fact, a test.
01:47Now, let's take a listen to what he said.
01:49This was in the White House yesterday.
01:51NATO's making a very foolish mistake.
01:53And I've long said that, you know,
01:55I wonder whether or not NATO would ever be there for us.
01:59So this was a great test.
02:02Because we don't need them, but they should have been there.
02:04And we, you know, we as the United States have to remember that.
02:07Well, that's a very important statement.
02:09I'll tell you why.
02:10Because the only time that Article 5 has ever been triggered with inside NATO
02:13was after 9-11.
02:15And NATO allies followed the United States to the war in Afghanistan.
02:18And allies like Denmark, for example,
02:20lost as many soldiers per capita as the United States.
02:23So it's factually incorrect to say that NATO wouldn't be there.
02:25And that is really going to draw the ire of NATO allies
02:28who have said that, look, we don't want to get involved in this war
02:31because NATO is a defensive alliance.
02:32We're there to protect each other within NATO territory as well.
02:35We also don't know the full definition of the war,
02:38what the objectives are as well.
02:39So we'll see what happens there.
02:41But as you mentioned as well, Mared, he is under pressure
02:43because Joe Kent, one of his top counter-terrorism guys
02:46within the administration, resigned on behalf of the fact
02:50that he said he doesn't want to go to war.
02:51And that is a very important resignation,
02:53not just because it's the first,
02:55but Joe Kent is maggot through and through.
02:57So the question is, is this the harbinger for Trump?
02:59And I know, Shona, you spend quite some time
03:01at the NATO HQ here in Brussels.
03:04What are you hearing there about the reaction?
03:07How are they feeling about these threats
03:09coming from the White House?
03:10Well, a few people have said
03:11this is just typical Trump-NATO bashing.
03:13The other point, and we heard this at the Arctic last week
03:16when I spoke to the German Defence Minister Boris Pistorius,
03:18they're very annoyed that Donald Trump
03:20has removed the oil sanctions against Russia,
03:22which means that Russia now has more money
03:25to spend on the war in Ukraine
03:26and more money to attack NATO allies.
03:28They're obviously not going to respond publicly
03:30in relation to this,
03:31but also there's a consensus
03:32that maybe he's not talking about NATO,
03:33maybe he's just talking about European allies.
03:36But other people have said to me
03:37that they're quite annoyed with Mark Rutte
03:39because he gave fulsome,
03:41full-throated support for this war.
03:43He went on Fox News on the 2nd of March
03:45saying that all European allies
03:47were fully behind Donald Trump.
03:49And perhaps Donald Trump then expected
03:51Europeans to get behind him.
03:53And in fact, they did the opposite.
03:54They rejected it.
03:55Other things that Europeans are saying to me is,
03:57look, we can't afford to get into a mission like this.
04:00It's drawing down assets from the Baltics,
04:02from the Arctic.
04:03If we do, it's very expensive.
04:05What can we do?
04:06In fact, let's be realistic.
04:08And at the time when Donald Trump
04:09was calling for this support from the US,
04:11he wasn't sending any US Marines.
04:12And now he is.
04:13So the Europeans are kind of standing back
04:16saying there's not much we can do.
04:17And very, very briefly, Shona,
04:18this will come up when you leaders gather
04:20here in Brussels tomorrow.
04:21That's right.
04:21Big European Council meeting tomorrow.
04:23It wasn't expected to be on the table,
04:24but the main part of this discussion
04:25will also be the economic impact,
04:27the price of oil and so on,
04:29of this war in Europe.
04:30OK, and we will, of course,
04:31be following those discussions
04:32here in Brussels tomorrow.
04:35But now, moving on.
04:37Civilians in the Middle East
04:38are being caught in the crossfire
04:39of the US and Israel's war against Iran,
04:42with strikes hitting homes, hospitals and schools.
04:45The UN says that the shockwaves of the war,
04:47including airspace closures
04:49and disruptions to trade and energy routes,
04:52are affecting its ability to respond.
04:55Euronews' Maeve McMahon sat down
04:57with United Nations Humanitarian Affairs Chief Tom Fletcher.
05:00She started by asking him
05:01whether the UN is being increasingly sidelined
05:04in a world where international law is in retreat.
05:08This is a time of impunity
05:10and division and polarisation.
05:12And a lot of people are attacking the UN.
05:14But every time you hear someone attack the UN,
05:16ask yourself what they gain
05:17by making us weaker.
05:19Because actually, impunity, brutality, polarisation, war,
05:23we were built for times like this.
05:25This is why we were invented.
05:27And look, in the last week,
05:28I've lost four colleagues on the front lines
05:31who've given their lives
05:32to go out there and save lives
05:34because of the mess the world is in right now.
05:36So is the UN perfect?
05:38No way.
05:39But, you know, I'm not going to accept
05:40the attacks that come our way.
05:42Will the UN still exist in 10 years?
05:44Yeah, absolutely.
05:45Because we represent the imperfections of the world.
05:49It's a complicated, messy world.
05:51We wish we could do more, actually,
05:53to end these conflicts,
05:54to send out our peacekeepers and our peacemakers.
05:56We can only do that where we get a mandate
05:58from the world, from the member states.
06:01And right now, the member states
06:02are in this kind of transactional,
06:06muscular, geopolitical moment
06:07where they're pulling apart
06:09rather than pulling together.
06:10And we've got to be a force
06:11for coexistence and solidarity.
06:13And just before the war began,
06:15President Trump inaugurated
06:17his so-called board of peace.
06:19Did he get board of peace very soon?
06:22Well, I mean, we look forward
06:23to hearing more from the board of peace
06:24about how they're ending
06:25a number of conflicts,
06:26apparently, around the world right now.
06:28I'm dealing with the consequences
06:29of so many of those conflicts,
06:31whether it's in Sudan or South Sudan
06:33or the DRC or Gaza,
06:35or I say Lebanon,
06:36at this moment.
06:39The White House, when I talk to them,
06:40are very clear that the board of peace
06:42is not an alternative to the UN.
06:43And certainly, the other countries
06:45that have joined it
06:46have been absolutely categoric
06:48that this is not meant
06:49to replace the UN.
06:51We're still here.
06:52You don't feel threatened by it?
06:53I don't feel threatened by it.
06:55You know, we're a member state organization
06:56of over 190 members.
06:58Of course, different groups of countries
07:00come together to try and talk about peace
07:02or other issues.
07:03There's enough conflict
07:04in the world right now.
07:05If people want to bring some peace,
07:07I'm completely relaxed about that.
07:09How many people are internally
07:10displaced in Iran?
07:12Hundreds of thousands, we estimate.
07:13What's interesting at the moment
07:15is that they're not crossing the borders
07:16at the scale that we expected.
07:19So you've got a lot of instability
07:20in those countries of the region.
07:22And of course, the economic crisis
07:23is driving up that movement of people.
07:26But we're not seeing the large numbers
07:28of Iranians cross the borders
07:30at this stage.
07:31And what we're understanding
07:32from the local authorities
07:33is that local communities
07:34are responding and taking people
07:36into their homes.
07:37But that's a situation
07:38we're watching very closely.
07:40And of course, what about potential spillover
07:41of refugees coming to Europe, potentially,
07:44even though you're not seeing that now yet?
07:46I think we will.
07:48I think we will.
07:48Because this crisis
07:51can't be put neatly back into a box.
07:53Wars don't just end at frontiers.
07:55And actions have consequences.
07:57And we're in a period, globally right now,
08:01of reckless adventurism
08:02in so many places.
08:04And of course, civilians
08:06will be displaced by that.
08:08Civilians will also be displaced
08:09by the next wave
08:10over the coming years of climate change.
08:13For every degree of climate increase,
08:16temperature increase,
08:17a billion people will be on the move
08:19from areas that we've lived in
08:20for millennia.
08:22And just on that point of people on the move,
08:24we've seen thousands
08:25internally displaced in Lebanon.
08:27What is the situation like there?
08:29Really grim.
08:30And my boss, the Secretary General,
08:32was in Lebanon
08:32at the end of last week.
08:34And I spent all weekend
08:35on the phone
08:35to our humanitarian team there.
08:37We were trying to get a convoy
08:38of support down
08:39to the south of Lebanon,
08:40which was taking a real
08:41smashing up at the moment.
08:43And we had to turn back
08:44because of the danger levels.
08:45We lost a colleague in Lebanon
08:48last week as well.
08:50So it's getting more and more dangerous
08:52for us to operate.
08:53And the needs are going up.
08:55We've got tens of thousands displaced,
08:57many of them people
08:58who were displaced already
08:59by previous conflicts.
09:01Do you fear that
09:03Lebanon could be the next Gaza?
09:05I do fear that.
09:06And in fact,
09:06I fear that
09:07because that's what we're hearing
09:08from some Israeli ministers
09:10right now
09:11who are speaking
09:11in increasingly belligerent language
09:14about what they plan to do
09:15to Lebanon.
09:16It's a country
09:17I know well.
09:18I was ambassador there
09:18for four years.
09:20It's an extraordinary country.
09:22One really interesting development
09:24in the last couple of weeks
09:25is that for the first time,
09:27the Lebanese government
09:28themselves are calling
09:29for direct negotiations
09:30with Israel,
09:32which hasn't happened
09:32in the past.
09:34And so there's potential here
09:36to reset the relationship
09:38in the region.
09:39But the path for that
09:40is through dialogue
09:41and diplomacy
09:42and not through more
09:44brutal violence.
09:45And just a final reflection,
09:47perhaps.
09:47Do you have any hope
09:48for the Middle East?
09:48I'm an optimist
09:50about humans.
09:51I think we have
09:52these two competing instincts,
09:53one to fight for resource
09:54and we're doing a lot
09:55of that right now
09:55and those people
09:56are shouting pretty loudly.
09:57But another more important one
09:59which is to work together
10:00as communities
10:01for that resource.
10:02And I believe ultimately
10:03that is the most,
10:04the more powerful instinct
10:05that we have.
10:06And as long as I believe that,
10:08then I'll have hope.
10:12The UN's humanitarian affairs chief,
10:14Tom Fletcher,
10:15speaking to Maeve McMahon there.
10:17Moving on now,
10:18as we heard earlier
10:19from Shona,
10:19President Donald Trump's demand
10:21for global allies
10:22to help him unblock
10:23the Strait of Hormuz
10:24has been met
10:25with resistance.
10:26The EU has also rejected
10:28the prospect
10:28of expanding the mandate
10:30of its naval mission
10:31ASPIDES to the Strait.
10:33Jakob Yanis
10:34takes a closer look
10:35at why.
10:37Donald Trump
10:39is demanding
10:39European allies
10:40step up
10:41in the Strait of Hormuz.
10:43And if they refuse,
10:44he will ensure
10:44NATO faces
10:45a very bad future.
10:46Do you have
10:47any minesweepers?
10:48Well,
10:49we'd rather not
10:50get involved, sir.
10:52I said,
10:53you mean,
10:54for 40 years
10:54we're protecting you
10:55and you don't want
10:56to get involved
10:56in something
10:57that is very minor?
10:59And the EU
11:00is pushing back.
11:01Let's investigate.
11:03EU foreign policy chief
11:05Kayakalas
11:06was eyeing a shift
11:07in the bloc's naval
11:08mandates
11:08for the ASPIDES operation.
11:10But after meeting
11:11the EU's 27 foreign ministers,
11:14her message was blunt.
11:15There is simply
11:16no appetite
11:17among member states
11:18to join the war.
11:20Quick recap.
11:21ASPIDES was originally
11:22launched in February 2024.
11:24it is a purely defense
11:25EU naval mission
11:26in the Red Sea
11:27with a primary goal
11:29of protecting commercial ships
11:30from Iran-aligned
11:31Houthi drone
11:32and missile attacks.
11:33So the EU as a bloc
11:35is hitting the brakes.
11:36But it doesn't mean
11:37individual member states
11:38are walking away.
11:40Looking ahead,
11:41French president
11:42Emmanuel Macron
11:43wants to lead
11:44a fully defensive mission
11:45to reopen it
11:46once the war cools down.
11:47While Italy
11:49strongly supports
11:49expanding the defensive
11:51ASPIDES patrol.
11:53But Trump
11:54wants more than that.
11:55Demanding the bloc
11:56secures its own
11:57energy supply.
11:59But here is a thought.
12:00Perhaps Europe's involvement
12:02should be treated
12:02as a trading card.
12:04Finnish foreign minister
12:06Elina Waltonen
12:07hence Europe and Ukraine
12:08now hold strong leverage.
12:10Ukraine has four years
12:12of expertise
12:12intercepting the exact
12:14Iranian Shachet drones
12:15that are causing chaos
12:17in the Gulf.
12:18And as the EU's
12:19naval mission
12:20ASPIDES
12:21literally translates
12:22to shields in Greek.
12:23Perhaps this leverage
12:25is exactly the shield
12:26Europe needs
12:27against Trump's games.
12:33Moving on now.
12:35A dispute between
12:36Hungary and Ukraine
12:38over disruption
12:39to the flow
12:40of Russian oil
12:41via the Drushba pipeline
12:43continues.
12:44The pipeline was damaged
12:45in Ukraine
12:46in late January
12:47in what Kyiv said
12:48was a Russian drone attack.
12:50Hungarian Prime Minister
12:51Viktor Orban
12:52has blamed Ukraine
12:54saying he will block
12:55the approval
12:56of a €90 billion loan
12:57to the war-torn country
12:59until the pipeline
13:00is repaired
13:01and Russian crude
13:02is flowing again.
13:04EU leaders will attempt
13:05to convince Orban
13:07to drop his veto
13:08when they gather
13:08for a summit
13:09here in Brussels
13:10tomorrow.
13:11Now for the latest
13:12on this very fast-moving story
13:14I must say
13:15I'm joined by
13:15our Ukraine correspondent
13:17Sasha Vakulina.
13:18Good morning Sasha.
13:19So we're now hearing
13:20the commission
13:21here in Brussels
13:22saying that Kyiv
13:23has accepted
13:24its request
13:25to send
13:26European inspectors
13:28to examine
13:29the damage
13:29on this pipeline.
13:31How soon can we expect
13:32this to happen?
13:33I think we should expect
13:35it as soon as possible.
13:36This is clearly something
13:37that Brussels and Ukraine
13:38would want to see
13:39given that the timeline
13:40of unblocking
13:41that loan
13:42is rather urgent
13:43for Kyiv.
13:45Now according
13:45to some
13:46Euronews sources
13:47some of the inspectors
13:48might already
13:49be on the ground
13:49in Ukraine.
13:50I have to say
13:51this is the information
13:51that the office
13:52of Zelensky
13:52has not confirmed
13:54when asked about it.
13:55But in a joint statement
13:57the president
13:58of the European Council
13:59and the president
14:01of the European Commission
14:01said the EU
14:02has offered
14:03Ukraine technical support
14:04and funding.
14:06This is key here, Merit.
14:07The Ukrainians
14:07have welcomed
14:08and accepted this offer.
14:09European experts
14:10are available
14:12immediately.
14:13Now Vladimir Zelensky
14:14did not hide
14:15previously the fact
14:15that him personally
14:16he does not see
14:17this as a right thing.
14:19He says that
14:19this is still
14:19Russian oil
14:21which is still
14:21financing Moscow's
14:23war against Ukraine
14:25now currently
14:26in its fifth year.
14:28But he did say
14:28that the repair work
14:29is currently ongoing.
14:31Preliminary technical
14:32assessment indicates
14:33that the damaged
14:33oil tank
14:34cannot be restored.
14:35Ukraine is therefore
14:36considering constructing
14:37underground storage
14:39infrastructure
14:39as a longer term
14:41and more sustainable
14:43solution.
14:44Underground storage
14:45would of course
14:45then better protect
14:46any infrastructure
14:48from any Russian attack.
14:50He also said
14:51that despite repeated
14:52massive strikes
14:53targeting oil pipeline
14:54infrastructure
14:55Ukraine remains capable
14:56to offer alternative
14:57routes for the transit
14:58of non-Russian
15:00crude oil
15:00to the countries
15:01of Central
15:01and Eastern Europe.
15:03Now this is the option
15:04that of course
15:05both Hungary
15:05and Slovakia
15:06have repeatedly rejected.
15:07Of course
15:08and as you say
15:09some movements
15:10then
15:10but again
15:11there is really
15:13no way forward
15:14clearly before tomorrow
15:15on this loan
15:16that Orban says
15:17he will still
15:18continue to veto
15:20until Russian crude
15:21is flowing again
15:22and clearly that's not
15:22going to happen
15:23anytime soon.
15:24Well that's certainly
15:24not going to happen
15:25tomorrow
15:26as the summit
15:27will be here
15:28and will be taking
15:28place here in Brussels.
15:30Now according
15:31to Ukraine
15:32it will still
15:32take some time
15:33and this is
15:34the tricky part.
15:35Orban said
15:36that the loan
15:37might be unblocked
15:38but not so fast
15:40and that's the
15:41critical point here.
15:42Okay Sasha.
15:43Last week
15:44the Ukrainians
15:45refused to receive
15:46our experts
15:46even though
15:47we send them there.
15:48It seems to me
15:49that they are using
15:50the entire oil blockade
15:51to intervene
15:52in the Hungarian elections
15:53in support
15:54of the TISA party.
15:55That is why
15:55the situation
15:56is extremely simple.
15:57If there is no oil
15:58there is no money.
16:00In terms of the timeline
16:02now Ukraine expects
16:03the repairment works
16:04to be over
16:04somewhere by the end
16:05of April
16:07which is of course
16:07way past tomorrow's summit
16:09and also past
16:10Hungarian elections
16:11on the 12th of April.
16:13Yes indeed Sasha.
16:14We will be back
16:15I'm sure tomorrow
16:15with more on that story.
16:18Thank you so much
16:18for joining us
16:19again this morning.
16:20Now
16:20the Euronews Health Summit
16:22took place
16:23in Brussels yesterday.
16:25Health may no longer
16:26be at the top
16:27of the EU political agenda
16:28but the EU's
16:30health chief
16:30Oliver Varhele
16:31said yesterday
16:33that healthcare systems
16:34in Europe
16:34are facing
16:35multiple pressing challenges
16:37and shouldn't be taken
16:38for granted.
16:39Let's take a listen.
16:40We must face
16:41the reality therefore
16:43that the system
16:44is under pressure
16:46and we just cannot
16:47take it for granted
16:48that it will stay
16:49with us
16:50tomorrow as well.
16:52Our population
16:53is ageing
16:54and facing
16:56continuously
16:56growing burden
16:57of chronic diseases.
16:59There are less
17:01and less people
17:02financing
17:02our healthcare system
17:04while we need
17:05to provide
17:06for more
17:07and more patients.
17:09Moreover
17:10our healthcare system
17:12is facing
17:13a competitiveness challenge
17:14both in the field
17:15of innovation capacities
17:17and safe supply
17:18of medicines
17:19and medical devices.
17:21Also at the
17:22Health Summit
17:22members of the European
17:23Parliament
17:24Tilly Metz
17:25of the Greens
17:26and Stin Boss
17:27of the Liberal
17:28Renew Europe Group
17:29had a heated
17:31live discussion
17:32over who should pay
17:33for health
17:33and pharma research
17:34in Europe.
17:35Should it be
17:36the patients
17:36the taxpayers
17:37or the pharma companies?
17:39Let's listen
17:40to what the MEPs
17:41had to say.
17:42There's a lot
17:43of public funding
17:44indeed going
17:45in research
17:46but there's also
17:47the patient
17:48that is paying.
17:49So you could even
17:50say that the patient
17:51right now
17:51is paying twice.
17:52he's paying first
17:53with taxes
17:55which go down
17:56to funds
17:57and then he pays
17:58again a price
17:59at the pharmacy.
18:01So what we need
18:02for sure
18:02is at the EU level
18:04but also at national level
18:05more public investment.
18:07if we say to ourselves
18:09that there's an 80%
18:10difference between
18:11the countries
18:12of the accessibility
18:13to medicines
18:14of course
18:15that cannot be so.
18:16So we have a huge
18:17issue at our hands
18:19to level this out
18:20between countries
18:21and to protect
18:23our universal health care
18:25but that is only
18:26protected
18:26if we have earnings.
18:28Earnings
18:29makes taxes.
18:30Taxes
18:31makes the money
18:32to actually
18:33finance health care.
18:34And you can catch
18:35more of that debate
18:36on the latest episode
18:37of The Ring
18:38Euronews'
18:39weekly debate show.
18:40But that brings
18:41this edition of
18:42Europe Today
18:42to an end.
18:43Thank you for tuning in.
18:44We'll be back
18:45tomorrow morning.
18:46We'll also have
18:46a special live broadcast
18:48for you tomorrow evening
18:49at 7pm Brussels time
18:51as the EU's 27 leaders
18:53gather here
18:54for a summit
18:54with that 90 billion
18:55loan for Ukraine
18:56hanging in the balance.
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