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Adam Lambert recently joined us in our Los Angeles studios for an unfiltered conversation about what’s next with his new album, 'ADAM,' his path to becoming a gay icon, his time fronting a Classic Rock behemoth, and much more during an Audacy Check In with Bru.
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00:00I would love to see Pride this year put some emphasis on us as a community.
00:06And everyone's welcome, everyone's accepted,
00:09especially like our trans brothers and sisters right now
00:12that are really getting some harsh treatment from the country we live in right now.
00:17There are members of the community that like sort of don't want to acknowledge
00:21trans people as part of the umbrella.
00:24And it's like, come on, like quit being a bully, you know?
00:30What's going on? It's Brew.
00:31Welcome back to another Odyssey check-in today.
00:33I'm so excited to chat with this.
00:35This is the first time we're meeting Anna Lambert.
00:37So good to see you.
00:38Nice to see you too.
00:39Thanks for being here.
00:40So much fun stuff to talk about on the new album.
00:43I mean, we hear nostalgia, we hear like different influences.
00:45And I think more importantly, we hear you, which I think is so important.
00:48So I just can't wait to learn more about it.
00:51So Adam is out July 10th, right?
00:54And the title feels like intentional, obviously using your name, Adam.
00:58I'm just curious, like what makes, you know, this one, the album, why not album one, album three?
01:03Like, yeah, I don't know.
01:04You know, I was trying to come up with a title to sum it all up and I just couldn't.
01:07I thought the, the takeaway from the album is it's kind of about like looking in the mirror
01:12and accepting everything about yourself, the good and the bad.
01:14And how, you know, it's like two things can be true at once.
01:17You can have a good day and a bad day and it can be the same day.
01:20You know what I mean?
01:21Like the separation between positive and negative is like, so, it's so tricky.
01:27Yeah.
01:27I mean, and so, so sensitive.
01:29And I don't know.
01:30I just thought this is a full portrait of who I am in 2026.
01:33I'm going to call it Adam.
01:34Yeah, absolutely.
01:36And so you feel like you didn't have that on previous albums, like being able to show the
01:39good and the bad and those different sides.
01:40Of course, I've like touched on these types of subjects here and there, but I just think
01:43that's sort of like what the whole project is.
01:47It's like, you know, going through stuff, having your, having your struggles and then
01:52having a breakthrough and being able to kind of pick up and push on and find your joy.
01:58Totally.
01:58Yeah.
01:59We've had so much success on like even just characters, if you would call it that with
02:03like Idol, your solo success, Queen, Broadway.
02:05What made you go though?
02:06Actually, I feel like I haven't introduced myself fully yet.
02:09I don't know.
02:10I think, I think this project too, I'm, I'm, I'm doing it myself.
02:14I've released this on my own label.
02:16I'm funding it myself.
02:18I've hired all the people working on it.
02:20I feel like I have a lot of ownership over this one, you know, and I've had bits of that
02:24in the past, but this one in particular, I feel like I'm really driving it as, as a,
02:29as a business thing and as a creative expression.
02:33What does that learning experience been like?
02:34I feel like having your own label, like there's gotta be so many, it's almost like buying a
02:38home, like you just learn so many different things.
02:40Well, I mean, I'm, I'm lucky.
02:41I have an amazing team.
02:42Yeah.
02:42You know, they're taking on a lot of the headaches that come with it more than me.
02:46I'm, I'm, but I, but again, you know, on the creative side of it, I don't have to
02:50compromise with everybody.
02:51I don't have to play in the politics.
02:52I don't have to, you know, beg for money.
02:56Like it's, it's, it's just, it feels like it's untethered.
02:59It's free to kind of become what it's going to become.
03:01Yeah.
03:02Or even just pressure in itself, you know, like it dates and when to put stuff out.
03:05And single choosing a single.
03:06I mean, that in the past has been such a headache.
03:08And yeah, of course it did make myself crazy.
03:12Agonizing over it.
03:13Except this time you do it to yourself.
03:13Yes.
03:14Is this the right choice?
03:15But I feel confident about it and I feel like we've got good singles and yeah, I'm, I, you
03:20know, you got to put out new music so that you can sell tickets to a tour.
03:23I want to get back out on the road.
03:25I want a tour for my fans.
03:26Yeah.
03:27Yeah.
03:27Do you see that going that way in music more?
03:30Like people just making their own labels or betting on themselves?
03:32I think so.
03:33So I think, you know, yes, for some of the big, big artists that the major labels have
03:37amazing, you know, services they can offer.
03:39But, you know, at the end of the day, it's, it's, they're the, they're the bank.
03:43That's what it is.
03:44And then, you know, because they're investing, they're going to want to have a say in everything.
03:48So I think you're going to see a lot more independent releases, a lot more artists going,
03:53either indie labels or just doing it themselves.
03:56Because these days with streaming, it's like.
03:58Or even more so on like TikTok and stuff too, or like a song.
04:02People fall in love with it so much faster.
04:04And that plan doesn't make sense to roll it out.
04:06Like in six months, you'll get it.
04:07Yeah, exactly.
04:08Everything's so fast, you know?
04:10So being able to keep up with it, not have to jump through a bunch of, you know, bureaucracy
04:14and hoops and stuff.
04:15It's nice.
04:15For sure.
04:16Yeah.
04:16And the creative side, it has to be such a relief too.
04:18I mean, you calling yourself, you know, you're a perfectionist and idealist.
04:22What was something that maybe in the past that like you would have overthought 10 years
04:25ago, but now you're okay with letting it be maybe imperfect?
04:29I think, you know, with this album, there's songs that are sort of like, you know, not
04:36always like framing myself as some, you know, perfect person or, you know, please like me,
04:41you know, or saying the right thing.
04:43I mean, there's definitely moments on the album that are a bit more gray, you know what
04:49I mean, that, that, that are me exploring parts of my experience that are complicated
04:55and, and not, um, not the ideal celebrity, you know what I mean?
05:01Yeah.
05:01So I think, and it's real, it's really honest that way.
05:04Um, I think 10 years ago, I probably would have been like worried about saying certain
05:09things or talking about certain subjects in my music or, um, you know, taking a risk
05:14in the way things sound, you know, um, this one, I got to really experiment with the sound
05:19of it a lot, um, without any input and, you know, and without the, also without the like
05:24pressure of going, Oh God, will radio like this?
05:26Will, will this fit into this, you know, playlist?
05:29Will this, it just kind of did music that I liked, you know, first and foremost, I think
05:34you learn over time that, uh, you know, as a creative, obviously you got to play the
05:38game, obviously there's business involved, but at the end of the day, it's like, you do
05:42kind of have to do it for yourself too.
05:44Yeah.
05:45And with this one, it's like, I feel like this album is really for me.
05:47Mm-hmm.
05:48Like a hundred percent.
05:49You've earned that, you know, which is another reason I put my name on it.
05:53That is Adam in a full, um, and I mean, the influences are so fun on this album, getting
05:57to listen to a bit of it between nine inch nails, Prince, Muse, Daft Punk.
06:01Was there one song you were talking about how like you did it so different?
06:03Was there a song that you like showed the team?
06:05You're like, Whoa, this is different.
06:07Well, I mean the, the first single that came out, eat you alive.
06:09We had it, it existed as more of like a traditional rock track in the beginning, you know, just
06:13like guitars and live drums.
06:15And it was cool, but I was like, guys, I, I, I want to like make it a little more
06:19progressive
06:20like weird.
06:20And I kept saying, make it nine inch nails.
06:22And my executive producer, Pete Nappy, who's brilliant and so talented, he figured it out.
06:28He cracked the code and sent back an idea of like a new arrangement of it with new beats
06:33and synths and everything.
06:34And I was floored.
06:35I was like, that's what I'm talking about, like not doing things the obvious traditional
06:39way, but like taking some chances.
06:42Yeah.
06:42It's so nice when you can toss those references out where people just get it.
06:45Like you see Prince, you're like, Oh, okay.
06:46Let's take it that route.
06:48I mean, the thing is the nineties were like such a great era of music.
06:50I mean, you know, the cross section between electronic and alternative music was like really
06:56sick back then.
06:57You know, it was, it wasn't necessarily like dance.
07:00It was like electronic, but it was heavy and it was dark and it had like weight to it.
07:06Yeah.
07:07You know?
07:07And so I love exploring that kind of stuff.
07:10Yeah.
07:10And you can hear it so much.
07:11Like exactly what you're saying.
07:12I hear it and I can't wait for people to hear it July 10th.
07:15If there was like one song to give the vibe of Adam, if someone had to listen to the album
07:20and be like, this is the song that I want you to listen to get the vibe of it.
07:23Which one would you recommend once that's out?
07:24Well, I mean, the singles are usually picked for that reason.
07:27I mean, Eager Live first single kind of sums up the flavor of a lot of the album.
07:32You know, it's heavy, it's dark, it's like aggressive.
07:35And then the next single that's coming out will kind of show a different facet of the
07:39album, which is a bit lighter, a bit more pop, a bit more rhythmic.
07:42So yeah, I mean, that was part of the thought process in picking the singles was, okay,
07:45well, what's going to really show all sides of this project?
07:48Yeah.
07:48I mean, a solid debut or at least like, you know, the taste of what it's going to be like.
07:52And then some fun sampling.
07:54Would you call it that?
07:55Yeah.
07:56I mean, I had to learn a lot about this, but technically the word is interpolation because
08:00a sample, I guess, is when you actually like take a piece of an old recording, right?
08:05So interpolation is when you basically do the tune from an old song, but you create it yourself
08:11in your own production.
08:13Okay.
08:13Yeah.
08:14And that what keeps it like protected from certain things?
08:16Yeah.
08:16It's like a different rights process or whatever, but you still, you know, you still have to
08:20get clearance from the original writers and offer them publishing.
08:22So it is complicated, but we have this little bit, this hook from an old Europe dance pop
08:28song from the nineties called around the world by a touch of class.
08:32And it's the la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la.
08:36Yeah.
08:37Hooks you immediately too.
08:38It wasn't even part of this song originally.
08:40We were finishing the song.
08:41It was all written.
08:42I was singing it in the studio and I was like, you know, this chord progression feels familiar
08:47to me.
08:47It's like, sounds like something else.
08:49And I had my producer loop it and I just started like singing that hook and I went, oh
08:53my God, it's that one song.
08:54Wow.
08:55And we all went, okay, now we have to put that in.
08:58Of course that became a very tricky process, but luckily everybody that's involved in it
09:03is excited.
09:04Oh, good.
09:05Yeah.
09:05As you learn as your own boss.
09:06Yes.
09:07Another step.
09:08It's like, oh, that's going to cost some money and it's going to, it's going to take some,
09:10some, some negotiating, you know?
09:12Is it almost like a thing where, was it because you discovered that that you're like, oh, I want
09:17to make that a part of it?
09:17Or was it more of a safety thing?
09:19It's just crazy how music can be so like reinventative over time.
09:22Like you don't even realize you're doing it.
09:24I mean, it did kind of come out of the most organic sort of, I just heard it.
09:27Right.
09:28And now I'm really glad it's in there because, you know, they say like familiarity is something
09:31that people tend to really love.
09:33So I hope people like it.
09:34Absolutely.
09:34Maybe it'll get stuck in their heads.
09:36I'm sure they will.
09:37What is a sound or like a production choice on this record that maybe like 17 year old
09:42you would like lose your mind over?
09:44I think we do a lot of replacing guitars with synths.
09:49There are a few moments with real guitars in there and real bass, but.
09:52A lot of the, the, the arrangements are sort of like subbing out the, the, the, the guitars
09:59with synths.
09:59And I just think that's very interesting.
10:01Yeah.
10:01I always love that.
10:02What made you think to do that?
10:03It's just that it's that love for some of those bands from the nineties again, like Nine
10:07Inch Nails, you know, does a lot of that.
10:09I just like the texture.
10:11I like that, like more gritty, almost like a razor blade, like a buzzsaw.
10:15Like I like those sounds.
10:16I think they're really cool.
10:17It's so cool.
10:18And I, I moved from LA to New York last year.
10:21Wow.
10:21Um, I, I had been in LA for 25 years.
10:23So it was my first time living in New York, like making a big life change, big chapter
10:28change.
10:29And I think New York just being, I'm in downtown, I'm on the lower East side.
10:32It's still grungy and gritty.
10:34I wanted to like get some new flavor.
10:37And I do think that some of that energy and, and, and texture of the city is in the new
10:42music.
10:43Yeah.
10:43Yeah.
10:43What made you decide to move to New York?
10:45Just want it and ready for a change.
10:46I was just ready.
10:47I mean, for years I dreamed of it.
10:48You know, when I was in high school, I, I envisioned myself being on Broadway in New
10:52York and that was the big, that was like the plan.
10:55And then I moved up here after high school from San Diego and just got comfortable in LA.
11:01I also knew that New York was going to be real expensive.
11:04So I was like, well, I'll wait until I have a reason to be there.
11:06Like maybe a job opportunity or something.
11:08And it never really happened.
11:09I kept doing theater.
11:11I, I did do a national tour, which I rehearsed out there and I stayed there for a couple months
11:16and I fell in love with it then.
11:18Yeah.
11:19Um, but yeah, uh, it was just time.
11:21I was doing a Broadway show the year before last.
11:23Um, and I just made the decision.
11:26I said, okay, I'm going to sell my house in LA.
11:27I'm going to move out here permanently.
11:28Wow.
11:29Time for a change.
11:29Were you bouncing back and forth during Broadway or you'd just go and stay for that?
11:32No, I was there like, cause you can't, I mean, there's no time to bounce.
11:35You're there like eight shows a week.
11:36You get one day off a week.
11:37You get the private jet from them or something.
11:39Right.
11:39A helicopter.
11:40Yeah.
11:40Have you been through a winter there?
11:41Yes.
11:42Now, now a few.
11:43And this last winter was, was, was intense.
11:45It was winter.
11:45We got some wild snow.
11:47Yeah.
11:47Yeah.
11:47Yeah.
11:48That's so cool.
11:48And I love when you feel like you found a place that like probably inspires you and creatively
11:52that keeps you going.
11:53Cause New York definitely does that for so many different people.
11:56And I mean, there's just a lot of weirdos out there.
11:58Right.
11:58And I'm a weirdo.
11:59So I'm like, yeah, I feel like I'm with my weirdos, you know, it's like, there's a lot
12:03of individual people.
12:04There's a lot of expression.
12:06There's a lot of artists and creatives.
12:08It just feels like a very, um, an environment that really like cultivates individuality and
12:14expression and all of that, you know, and LA does too, but it's different here.
12:18It's a different type of creativity.
12:20It's a different, uh, you know, I think social, like, you know, the tick tockers and influencers
12:25that seems to be more of the focus here now.
12:28Um, whereas New York, you still have these like hole in the wall artists that are doing
12:32strange, expressive things.
12:34Yeah.
12:35Yeah.
12:35Absolutely.
12:36Yeah.
12:36You had such an amazing chapter being a part of queen.
12:40And I wanted to touch on that real quick, if that's cool with you.
12:42Yeah, totally.
12:42Um, something that's become an iconic part of your career too.
12:44I'm just curious, like years from now, when you think back on that, like chapter and era,
12:49what's going to be coming to mind during that period?
12:51We, I mean, I learned so much from them.
12:53I, it was, it was, it's, it continues to just be like the biggest honor, you know,
12:57to be, to be asked by them to, to, to grace the stage with them and sing these iconic songs.
13:03Uh, you know, it was, it was, it was nerve wracking too.
13:07Cause obviously like Freddie Mercury is one of a kind, you can't replace him, you know?
13:11So it was, it's a mixed bag of like, uh, there was at the beginning it was pressure, um,
13:16but then victory, which was amazing.
13:18And I will have memories of the most insane audiences.
13:23And we, we performed at some of the craziest venues.
13:25I mean, in, I think it was 2019, I performed for the Queens Jubilee with them.
13:30And it was like, I was on the steps of Buckingham palace.
13:33That's where I started the number.
13:34I'm like, okay.
13:35And then they put it built a stage on the fountain of queen Victoria.
13:39And we were like on the fountain, it was just like, the very first gig I did with them
13:45was in Ukraine in like 2014, I think.
13:49And it was 2013, 2014.
13:51And it was multi millions of people.
13:54Like, I think it was like two or 3 million people from the city had come.
13:58And like, it was in a, like a city center kind of square area.
14:01And then all the streets leading off the street were filled with people and screens all the
14:05way down, all the way down, all the way down, millions of people.
14:08So, I mean, stuff like that, that, and that was my first gig with them.
14:12So I was nervous.
14:13I was like, oh, don't mess this one up.
14:15You know?
14:15Oh my gosh.
14:16It's just insane.
14:17And what a cool thing.
14:17And it shows the impact of them.
14:18And also like just a testament to your talent to step up to that and be able to deliver
14:23to what all those fans love so much.
14:24So congratulations on doing that.
14:27And just curiosity, thinking about how like, obviously nerve wracking to be fun of almost
14:32the whole country of Ukraine.
14:33It sounds like, um, and then, you know, TV audiences, Broadway, you've done it in front
14:38of the biggest stages.
14:39What's like the smallest crowd that you've been nervous to perform in front of?
14:42That's a good, I mean, I've done some TV stuff where there's hardly anybody in there.
14:45That's true.
14:46Nervous as hell.
14:47Um, you know, like some of the talk shows, like going on Jimmy Fallon or whatever.
14:51You're like, this is, this is, you know, everyone's going to see this, you know, it's a small
14:54audience, but everyone's going to see it.
14:56Yeah.
14:56I mean, I've done some like acoustic stuff too, that feels really exposed.
15:00Sometimes that can be almost more nerve wracking than a big loud show, you know, cause it's
15:04more like raw.
15:06Yeah.
15:06Yeah.
15:06Not a lot of cover up or anything like that.
15:08It's like all the cracks are going to show.
15:10Yeah.
15:11Well, not to get like, this almost sounds like a therapy question, but it's not as deep
15:15as it sounds.
15:16Let's do it.
15:16After all these years, finish the sentence.
15:19After all these years, the thing I'm finally okay admitting about myself is.
15:23Okay.
15:23Dr.
15:24Freud.
15:24I don't know why I wrote that was, I must've been late last night and I was like, in my
15:27feels and I'm like, I want to hear his answer.
15:29I mean, there's like a list of things that I'm okay comfortably like admitting about myself
15:34now.
15:34I mean, it's kind of what I'm saying that this album explores is like, you know, I have
15:38bad habits.
15:39I've made bad decisions.
15:40I'm, I'm, I'm lazy as hell.
15:42I wish I like, you know, got off my ass more and worked out more and you know, like we
15:46all
15:46have our things, you know?
15:47And I think the difference is like, whereas before they were a bit more private, shameful thoughts.
15:53I think now I'm kind of like open to just saying it, even in public, you know, like this is
15:58me, you know?
15:59I think it's all about, like you said with the album, it's just such a, it's gotta be
16:03freeing feeling too.
16:04Yeah.
16:04I mean, I think, you know, I think one thing that I can say about myself that I've learned
16:07that I didn't love discovering, but that I had to sort of like accept was that I've put
16:13myself first a lot in my life.
16:16Um, you know, my career, my wellbeing, you know, one could say a little selfish, you know,
16:21and I've recognized that, but that's the whole point.
16:24The first step in growing past that and getting better is understanding that about yourself
16:29and accepting it and acknowledging it and not letting your ego be in denial of it, but
16:35actually going, okay, yeah, maybe, maybe it's something I could work on, you know?
16:39And at the same time, like it's, it's a necessary evil in this business to sort of succeed.
16:45Sometimes you have to kind of like make some sacrifices and prioritize your career over
16:50certain things.
16:52But over the years, I've also kind of recognized, well, you know, work life balance is really
16:57important and you can't invest your entire happiness on your career or on yourself.
17:04Like, you know, people need people.
17:06Like I want to, you know, I want to love and have relationships and connect more with my
17:09family.
17:10And so like this last year, I've like made an effort to do more with the family.
17:13And these are all things of like growing up and learning about yourself.
17:17Yeah.
17:17Yeah.
17:17That's just so real though.
17:18I mean, in an era where I feel like it's can be the opposite in a good way as well,
17:23where like people, yeah, they make their whole career, everything where it's like, I'm choosing
17:26me to have that thought where it's like, I've chose me for so long and like, I've neglected
17:31these things in my life.
17:32So it's such a real thing.
17:33And I think balance is literally the key to all of it.
17:36Like it's finding balance.
17:37It's like, yes, do that, but also balance it with this, you know?
17:40And like learning more about that and being okay, admitting that I'm, I'm crap at something
17:46is like a big first step.
17:49Yeah.
17:49Yeah.
17:49Pride month is coming up.
17:50It is.
17:51I'd love to ask you a few questions.
17:52Sure.
17:52If that's all right with you.
17:53Yes.
17:53You've had such a visible career across like all the different eras of culture.
17:56When you look at where things are, where you started versus now, like what gives you
18:01the most hope today?
18:02Well, it's, it's, it's incredible how much change has happened.
18:05When I first came out into the music scene, there weren't really any other gay men doing
18:11mainstream pop music.
18:12Like I can't, I couldn't find any, maybe like one in the UK, maybe like it was very slim,
18:17right?
18:18There were a lot of actors starting to become very visible and coming out that helped, but
18:21there was this wave starting of visibility.
18:24And I'm really proud to say that I was part of that wave, you know, that, you know, affected
18:29things like gay marriage and, um, you know, the, the idea that there's a lot of different
18:34types of people in the gay community.
18:36It's not just one cliche, you know, because we were coming out of an era where it was
18:40like the one clown on a TV show was, was queer, but that wasn't a broad, fully comprehensive
18:46picture of who we were.
18:47Right.
18:47So I'm just really proud of, of, of all the progress we've made as a community.
18:52Um, and yeah, the pendulum is swinging and there's some ups and some downs and there's
18:56some setbacks and obstacles and that's just how it's going to go.
18:59That's life and history.
19:01But I think we've done really well.
19:03Yeah.
19:03Yeah.
19:04And like you said, you've seen so many iterations of it, like from the early starts of where it
19:07was really making moves.
19:09What does pride mean to you maybe in like the year of 2026?
19:12Well, I mean, I think the only way we're going to get through some of these challenges
19:16is with each other, like the unity of it all, like, you know, remembering that it is
19:21a community.
19:22I think the more mainstream the gay world gets, the less of a community exists.
19:26You know, it's like, we're not as close knit because there's a lot more versions of us
19:33now and there are more, there are more out there in the world and people understand what
19:36they are.
19:37So there's a lot of like segregation, even within the community that is, that is hard
19:42to see, you know, because in the, in the beginning it felt like more of a small tight
19:46knit kind of experience and everybody, you know, if you look at the history of it, like
19:51back in the seventies when it was, when it was starting, like the, you know, the, the,
19:55the human rights and equal rights of it all.
19:57People were all dealing with kind of the similar thing, you know, society felt this way about
20:02gay people.
20:02Our families felt this way about gay people.
20:04So people had a lot to identify with each other over because they had the same struggles.
20:10Now there's all these different types of struggles.
20:12Some people don't struggle at all.
20:13So for some people it's really easy, not hard at all to be gay or, or, or bi or lesbian
20:17or whatever.
20:18For some people it still is.
20:19So I don't know.
20:20It's just like, I would love to see pride this year, put some emphasis on us as a, as
20:27a community and everyone's welcome.
20:29Everyone's accepted, especially like our trans brothers and sisters right now that are really
20:34getting some harsh treatment from the country we live in right now.
20:39There are members of the community that like, sort of don't want to acknowledge trans people
20:43as part of, part of the umbrella.
20:45And it's just like, come on, like quit being a, you know, a bully, you know, it's like
20:51the, you can't sit with us energy.
20:52I don't, that's not going to get us ahead in this day and age.
20:55So I would just like to see pride just be as inclusive as possible.
20:58Yeah.
20:58Be that safe space, you know?
21:00And I feel like music has always been a safe space for a lot of people, um, for you growing
21:04up for everybody.
21:05Yeah, absolutely.
21:06Yeah.
21:07Um, and you've, your music has done so much for making people feel seen who is an artist,
21:10you know, as you said, it was maybe slimmer back then, but like who is an artist that,
21:13um, made you feel seen back when you were younger?
21:16I mean, I think when I discovered someone like George Michael, when I, when I discovered
21:20him, you know, I was a kid watching MTV and VH1 and stuff like that in the nineties and
21:25seeing his videos and then hearing about him coming out and recognizing that this is somebody
21:31that I really thought was really amazing and, uh, you know, and talented and a great voice
21:37and, and, and, and handsome and all that.
21:39And the way he handled it in, in the media and publicly was like, so I don't give a fuck.
21:46Like he was just like, and, you know, he was so like self-assured about it and you watch
21:52interviews of him like responding to it and he was just like, really like he stood his
21:56ground and that's really inspiring to me.
21:58Wow.
21:59Yeah.
21:59Cause that was early days, you know, that wasn't something that was a kind of scandal that
22:02didn't happen a lot.
22:03Yeah.
22:04You know, so, and then he handled it.
22:05Unfortunately, it kind of killed his career in the U S but he still had a lot of big hits
22:10in the UK.
22:11Of course.
22:11He still, he still was doing it.
22:12I love that.
22:13So you spent years helping people feel seen through your music.
22:16Um, when do you feel the most seen?
22:18I mean, when I do a show and I have fans in the audience that I recognize that have been
22:23on board for like years, that's very cool.
22:27It feels like a big extended family.
22:29Um, you know, they've been on board and they're still buying the tickets and they're still
22:33coming and they're singing along and they're excited about what's next.
22:36That, that feels good.
22:37I do feel seen.
22:38I feel, I feel validated.
22:40I feel like what I've been working so hard at doing is making a difference.
22:44I also, I, I've met a lot of people over the last, you know, decade or so who come up
22:51to me and they're like, you know, you were the first gay person I saw on TV.
22:55Wow.
22:55In our, in my, in my family's household.
22:57Yeah.
22:57And like, whether or not it was a positive, uh, you know, reception or not, you were,
23:02you were the one that, that prompted the conversation, you know, and, and that, that's pretty cool
23:10and completely terrifying at the same time, you know, cause I didn't ever think that that's
23:14why I was getting into this.
23:15Yeah.
23:15I was like, I was like saying, I don't want to make an album, but quickly figuring out
23:19that like the, what it represented me being in this space, what it, the ripple effect that
23:25it had, that's cool.
23:27Absolutely.
23:27That's really cool.
23:28And I'm, I'm really honored that it, it could help anybody.
23:30Like that's, that's why I started getting more and more involved in, in charitable foundations.
23:35And I started my own foundation.
23:36I, I'm like, this is bigger than just my own thing.
23:41Totally.
23:41That feels good.
23:42Shout out to your fans too.
23:43There's some amazing people.
23:44They're just like so ride or die for you.
23:45And I love to see that.
23:47Um, July 10th, we get the album.
23:49Is there anything else we need to know before it's out into the world?
23:52No, it's turn it up loud.
23:54I think when you get it, I think it's like, it's, it's, it's, I, I've noticed that the
23:57song, I think the tempos on the album, it's very, very good for like walking.
24:02Oh, you know, it's very for, you know, I'm like, I said, New York inspired it.
24:05It's like, put your headphones on and then, you know, strut down the sidewalk.
24:08BPM is good.
24:09It feels like good, like sexy stomping music, whether it's on the sidewalk or a runway, you
24:14know, a fashion runway.
24:15It's very, it's very that.
24:17I love it.
24:17Devil Wears Proud of Two.
24:18It's about, it's about movement, you know, put it on and move.
24:21Absolutely.
24:22Absolutely.
24:23Being the boss too, like what about July 10th?
24:25I mean, I feel like, thank you for putting that out in the summer.
24:27Cause like you said, it's perfect for that time, but we went into that thought process
24:30too, of like that date, that era, that month.
24:32I mean, well, a lot of it was just like, okay, the album's done now.
24:35Like how much time do we need to get it all going?
24:38But yeah, I mean, this, this second single that we want to put out in a couple of weeks
24:42is very summer.
24:43So that's, that was going to be great.
24:45And yeah, when the album comes out, I'm going to do a show in here in LA, a show in
24:48New York,
24:48a show in London and a show in Berlin.
24:50Wow.
24:50Yeah.
24:51So that'll be great.
24:52That'll be like the kickoff.
24:53Yeah.
24:53Some great cities to kick off.
24:55Yeah.
24:55We're doing like, it's like a mini tour.
24:56I love that.
24:57So it should be great.
24:57Yeah.
24:57And information's on my Instagram and website and all that stuff.
25:00And hopefully if people love the album, um, as I, I, I, I think they might, um, I'll be
25:07able to like put together like a bigger, more comprehensive tour.
25:10Yeah.
25:11Yeah.
25:11And again, you're the boss.
25:12You get to do it.
25:13You can go anywhere you want.
25:14I really want a tour.
25:15I miss, you know, doing my own stuff on the road.
25:18It's been too long.
25:19Totally.
25:19Let's make it happen.
25:20Thank you for being here.
25:21Congratulations on the album.
25:22Such an incredible career.
25:23And it's so nice to get to meet you and learn more about you.
25:26Thank you, Adam.
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