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Natalie Cassidy: Caring Together - Season 1 Episode 1
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00:01I'm Natalie Cassidy and I was lucky enough to land my dream job, age 10, on hit BBC soap opera,
00:07EastEnders.
00:08I've only ever had one job, but I've always wondered what I would have done if I wasn't an actress.
00:15Now I'm a mum in my 40s. I've left Albert Square and I'm ready to embrace a new challenge.
00:21Day one at college. Can't quite believe it.
00:24Doing something I've always wanted to do, training to be a carer.
00:27I'm absolutely petrified, but I am determined to do it well, give it the best I've got and see what
00:34happens.
00:34With an ageing population, it's estimated that over half of us will need care in our lifetime.
00:40I'm absolutely shattered. It's hard getting old.
00:43At a time when there's a shortage of care workers, I'll be heading back to the classroom.
00:48Mummy's first day back at school.
00:50And gaining on the job experience on placements.
00:53Over. Go, go, go.
00:54I'll hear people's stories first hand.
00:57It's not fair.
00:58Life's not fair, generally, is it?
01:00Share their heartache.
01:02It must be such a tough job for you.
01:04And determination.
01:05You see the real difference in people's lives that you can make.
01:07I just hope I've got what it takes to care for people from their first days to their last moments.
01:27Quick brush of the hair.
01:30I've got to look tidy, haven't I?
01:32I don't want to look as scruff when I get there.
01:34First day and all that.
01:35A pint, please.
01:36And a lemonade.
01:37I played Sonia Fowler in EastEnders for over 30 years.
01:40Sonia?
01:41But whilst on set in the day...
01:43Are you okay?
01:44I'm fine.
01:45At night, I was like millions of others across the UK, an unpaid carer for my dad.
01:52Caring for someone you love and watching someone in pain is one of the hardest things in the world.
02:06In the next decade, studies suggest that up to 10 million of us will be caring for our loved ones.
02:11Love you! Wish me luck!
02:14Caring for dad, right up until the end of his life and losing dad was one of the most painful
02:20things I've ever had to do.
02:21But the people I met have changed my life and are so inspirational.
02:26That's what spurred me on to do this.
02:30Today, I'm signing up for my course in health and social care.
02:36I've got nervous laugh going on because I just find it a bit ridiculous.
02:40I'm going to go back to college.
02:42I haven't ever been in a college setting.
02:45I went from school into filming and never did any further education.
02:51It's nerve-wracking thinking about walking into a place where there's a lot of younger people.
02:56And I think this is going to just make me feel...
02:59Yeah.
03:00It's going to make me feel 42.
03:07Here we are.
03:08Oh, it looks nice.
03:15First, I'm meeting the course director, Nina.
03:19Hi.
03:20Lovely.
03:21Lovely to meet you.
03:21Nice to meet you.
03:22You all right?
03:23Yeah, I think so.
03:24No worries. Do you want to come with me? We're going to go to the employer zone.
03:26OK.
03:29I'll be studying for a BTEC Level 3 certificate at North Hertfordshire College.
03:33So there is two parts to the course that you'll be taking.
03:37There'll be an exam and then an internally assessed course with a module.
03:42Yeah.
03:42Can I ask, why health and social care?
03:43I've been around care practically all of my life. My mum cared for my nan. I had two nans that
03:50were quite elderly. I was in and out of hospital visiting them. Then I cared for my dad for a
03:55long time. And I just think that all the carers are so wonderful that I just wanted a little piece
04:00of that pie.
04:01Yeah.
04:02So the course that we have here is really about trying to help learners develop the key empathy skills that
04:07they need to be successful in health and social care roles.
04:11Having care experience can be a superpower, but learning to support people in the most challenging times and finding the
04:19strength and courage to be professional when people are really struggling.
04:23I think that's what Natalie's going to find hard.
04:26I know you're from EastEnders, so I'm a huge fan.
04:29I've been recognised for most of my life. I can't remember not being recognised as Sonia.
04:34Literally, I love EastEnders.
04:36Oh, amazing.
04:37You're such a good actor, really.
04:38Oh, thank you. Thank you so much. You're so kind.
04:40I think for anyone who's going to go and do something out of their comfort zone and learn a new
04:45skill, that's really difficult.
04:49It's all becoming super real.
04:51I feel like I've sort of put myself on the line because everybody's going to know if I pass or
04:56fail it, you know.
04:57So it does feel like added extra pressure.
05:00I've enrolled. This is mad.
05:04It's actually crazy.
05:07Currently in the UK, there is a shortage of carers with over 200,000 vacant positions across the sector.
05:14The next time I come back will be to start the course.
05:18See you soon.
05:20But with only 75,000 students studying health and social care, there's a long way to go to fill that
05:26gap.
05:29I have always been extremely appreciative of the care sector.
05:33I've had nurses come in right at the end of Dad's life.
05:39They're just all angels.
05:40They're just fantastic.
05:50I was a daddy's girl.
05:51Always have been.
05:53Lost my mum at 19.
05:54So then Dad and I were like glue stuck together.
05:56He was a miserable old sod at times.
06:00But we got on like a house on fire.
06:03And I miss him every single day.
06:07And when he did get poorly and I found Linda, who helped care for him.
06:14She made it possible for me to go to work.
06:17And Linda was there at the very end, you know, in the end moments of Dad's life.
06:21And I couldn't have done it without her.
06:23Because it is a very scary, scary thing to do.
06:26And she just was there to help me and my brothers through.
06:29You never ever forget those times.
06:32Ever.
06:34I think right from the very beginning of choosing to do this course, you know, Linda's always been at the
06:40back of my mind.
06:41So what do you think about what I'm about to do?
06:47You'll be fine.
06:48Do you think I'm mad?
06:50Yes, you are.
06:51No, you'll be fine.
06:53I know you will be.
06:54I just thought of you immediately.
06:57Because, in my eyes, you're the best carer I've ever met in my life.
07:03You know, you are for what you've done for me.
07:05I did think, well, I wonder what Linda would think of me doing this.
07:10And I thought, I wonder what Dad would think of me doing this.
07:12I think he'd be very proud of you.
07:13I really do.
07:15I think he would.
07:16He'd be looking down on you and saying,
07:18go on, girl.
07:19Yeah, no, I think he would be proud.
07:23It's funny though, isn't it? I'm such a confident person.
07:26Listen, yeah.
07:27Yeah, it is a worry because it's so different to anything I've ever done.
07:30Yeah.
07:30It is very different and I don't like getting things wrong.
07:34You will be fine.
07:35It's like, I suppose in some ways, because you know your role in looking after this person, it is like
07:40a stage.
07:40The carer role, I suppose.
07:42The carer role comes in.
07:43Yeah.
07:43It's just automatic.
07:44It just becomes natural.
07:46It will become natural.
07:47You've got to make sure that you take time for yourself.
07:51Because your emotions just build up and you do need to take time out as well.
07:57Yeah.
07:57I'm not very good.
07:58I can give you the advice.
07:59Yeah, but you're rubbish at it.
08:00I'm rubbish at it.
08:03It's really hard sometimes.
08:05After her dad passed away, I had to take a breather because they're all grieving.
08:12And, you know, you still have to put this professional face on and you're hurting yourself inside.
08:17But she's got amazing support around her.
08:20And I'm at the other end of the phone if she needs me.
08:22Cheers.
08:23Cheers.
08:23There you go.
08:26Where's the champagne?
08:26I know.
08:27That's when I pass.
08:29Oh, okay then.
08:30Let me get there first.
08:31If I can walk into somebody's home that I've never met before and lessen their worry about whatever situation's going
08:37on, like Linda did for me, then my job will be done.
08:52Right, I really haven't got long, girls.
08:54Have some grapes.
08:55I don't know if we've got any grapes, darling.
08:57Yeah, we do.
08:58Yeah.
09:00You all right?
09:00Actually, sure.
09:02There you go.
09:03Today, I'm heading back to college for day one of my BTEC.
09:07I need to go.
09:08Squat past eight.
09:10Mummy's first day back at school, back at college.
09:13What do you think about it?
09:16I just think it's nice you've chosen to do it.
09:18Yeah.
09:18So it's a topic that you're learning about but you're enjoying it.
09:21So I think it's good.
09:22I'm a bit nervous about starting back with people of nearly your age.
09:28See you later.
09:28Later.
09:29Love you.
09:29All right, love you both.
09:31Daddy's upstairs, all right?
09:32Is that all right?
09:32Does that feel loose?
09:34No, it feels quite nice and tight.
09:39The course I'm doing, it's like a little box of celebrations of all different jobs within the health and social
09:44care sector.
09:46From occupational therapists, to physiotherapists, to community nurses, to paramedics, to social workers.
09:54The list goes on and on.
09:57Day one at college.
09:59Can't quite believe it.
10:03I think my greatest fear about today is getting into the classroom and feeling really out of place.
10:11and feeling, feeling like I don't belong here.
10:15That's my greatest fear.
10:17Hello.
10:19Hello.
10:20Hi.
10:21How are you all?
10:22Good.
10:23Good.
10:24I've only got one head, haven't I?
10:26You're all really quiet.
10:28Nice to meet you.
10:30I've got a seat open action.
10:31Amazing, thank you so much.
10:34Over my career, obviously, I have walked into new environments, new sets.
10:39Nice to see you all.
10:40Hello.
10:41I'm Natalie.
10:42I'm Tilly.
10:42Hi Tilly, nice to see you.
10:44Nice to meet you.
10:45Enrico.
10:45Enrico, pleasure.
10:46But this was so different, because it was completely out of my comfort zone.
10:51These seats are small, aren't they?
10:52Very small.
10:54Very small.
10:57So I am 42.
10:59That must seem very old to you lot.
11:01No, not really.
11:03How old are you?
11:0319 in June.
11:04How old are the rest of you?
11:06I'm 17.
11:07I'm 17.
11:08I've just turned 17.
11:09Aw, happy birthday.
11:10Thanks.
11:12This course is an introduction to caring that covers every stage of life.
11:16From birth, right through to end of life care.
11:19So we'll get to see all the careers we might like to follow.
11:23Enrico, your experience.
11:25I've done a level 2 childcare course already.
11:28Also, I'm a basketball coach, so I haven't really experienced baby, baby ones, but 3 to
11:3316 year olds.
11:34That's fantastic.
11:36So...
11:36My name is Enrico, I'm 19 and I've always wanted to be a paramedic.
11:41School was always a struggle for me, due to me having ADHD, autism, dyslexia and OCD.
11:47I couldn't read my own handwriting.
11:48I couldn't write to save my own life.
11:50The days of my family would be dead, which is dead on us.
11:53One day somebody suggested, what about doing something really quick paced and healthcare
11:58related.
11:58So I was looking into it and I saw paramedic was always on the move.
12:02So I was like, that sounds like my job.
12:04The reason I've come to this course is because I cared for my dad.
12:08So I'm very much interested in sort of palliative care.
12:14Introduction's over, first lesson, infant development.
12:18So I want you by the end of this session to be able to know the difference between growth
12:23and development, because they are two quite distinct different things and we're going
12:28to look at why do we need these sensile charts.
12:31Babies, I felt rather smug.
12:33I thought I've had a couple of those.
12:36I don't know what I'm doing.
12:38I have had two children.
12:41One in 2010 and one in 2016.
12:45The baby stayed feels like an age away.
12:49It brought back a lot of memories for me.
12:52The health visitors coming in to make sure, you know, you're hitting all the right milestones
12:56with the baby.
12:5740.5.
12:58Yeah, bang on.
12:58Bang on 40.
13:00Right, time for weighing.
13:02All clothes off.
13:03So 2.53 kg.
13:06Has anyone got any experience at all with feeding baby?
13:10I've had two children.
13:12Have you got experience with bottle feeding?
13:14Both.
13:14Breastfeeding, both?
13:15Yeah.
13:16A little bit about your experience?
13:17Breastfeeding was extremely difficult.
13:19I ended up going onto bottles, combination feeding for a while.
13:23I did everything to try and breastfeed solely, but it just didn't work for me.
13:30But it did make me feel extremely low.
13:32Yeah, okay.
13:34Breastfeeding did not come naturally to me.
13:36I tried with both children and I wouldn't say failed because I did the best I could,
13:42but at the time I felt like a failure.
13:45Prepare a formula for a child at about eight weeks.
13:50But looking back now, it is a lovely thing to have experienced because I feel that if
13:55I was in a setting where I was talking to a new mum who was struggling with that, as
14:00long as your child is being fed and is cared for and loved, it's okay.
14:05We had the water first and then we had our formula, okay?
14:10That lid on right?
14:11More of a mess.
14:12I hope so.
14:14Okay, so that brings our session to an end.
14:17So I hope you guys got a lot out of it.
14:19Okay, well done today.
14:20You did really well.
14:20Are you okay?
14:24Very light.
14:27Our second class of the day is about childhood diabetes.
14:31There's a big misunderstanding because when people talk about diabetes in the media, they're
14:35generally talking about type 2 diabetes.
14:37You'll not see a type 2 in infants or toddlers.
14:41We're talking about type 1.
14:44Just under 33,000 children and young people in the UK are living with type 1 diabetes and
14:50around 3,000 more are diagnosed each year.
14:54Has anybody got any experience of diabetes, themselves or families?
14:59Well, my mum has type 1 diabetes and she's paralysed from the neck down.
15:05So instead of the district nurses coming out and having to do it, I would give her her
15:11insulin, change her Dexcom and check her blood sugars.
15:15Wow.
15:16Yeah, that's pretty impressive.
15:18My name's Tilly.
15:19I'm 17 years old and I think I'd like to become a paediatric nurse.
15:23I've been classified as a young carer for as long as I can remember.
15:28When I was younger, my mum got diagnosed with multiple cirrhosis and from the deterioration,
15:34I've seen the amount of people that have come and helped my family and supported us.
15:40I know what it's like to see the side of care that not many people see and I would like
15:47to give back to everyone else.
15:50You know, that little bottle can save someone's life.
15:53Yeah.
15:53That's mental.
15:54It is mad.
15:56This class will teach us how to monitor sugar levels and give insulin.
16:00On average, children need to be checked four to six times per day.
16:06It looks cruel because you're having at least four injections a day, but in the long term
16:10it gives better outcomes.
16:12Bonus of that is you've got apps which work out the amount of insulin that you need.
16:15Otherwise, it's quite sort of maths heavy.
16:18Time for Teddy Bear Rufus to help with the practical lesson.
16:22You've got your pen to give the insulin.
16:24Support the area where you want to go and straighten it 90 degrees.
16:28Push the plunger down and count to ten.
16:31I thought, oh, here we go.
16:32It's going to be a needle.
16:35The idea of large needles, blood tests, stuff like that is something I'm not good at.
16:42And that is a bit of a worry.
16:44I'm really confused.
16:45Am I twisting that on there?
16:47Twisting?
16:48Yeah.
16:48Yes.
16:49It's quite amazing how much knowledge Tilly has because of her mum being poorly.
16:54We're keeping that bit, aren't we?
16:55Yep, so you keep that needle off and then you keep this little bit safe.
16:59And then I'm driving it up, turning it up.
17:01There, I've got my insulin coming out.
17:04What a brave young woman.
17:06I just think it takes someone extremely special to not want to run away from care
17:12when you've been surrounded with it your whole life.
17:15And she just wants to run straight into it head first and just keep on going with it.
17:20It's mind-blowing.
17:21It is a lot for people.
17:23Yeah.
17:25And a lot for you, living with it.
17:28I have brought glucose meters for you to have a go at testing your own sugar levels.
17:34It's going to be brave.
17:36Come on, let's be brave.
17:38Twist it.
17:40Mine's not coming out.
17:42Yeah, that's fine.
17:43How's that?
17:44Perfect.
17:44Ready?
17:45Yeah.
17:45And then push that bit on the side.
17:47Oh, that was not bad.
17:49Not bad at all.
17:49Was it?
17:50No.
17:51Sharp scratch, they say.
17:53Oh, that's cool.
17:56I am proud of myself though.
17:58You did it.
17:58I am proud because I'm not very good with blood and needles and it's really good to be able to
18:03do these things.
18:04And this is their reality.
18:06What they have to go for every day.
18:07Yeah.
18:07I found this class quite overwhelming.
18:10I had no idea of how scary diabetes could be.
18:15It can be life-threatening.
18:16I couldn't help but think about parents, guardians and carers looking after children with this disease and what they have
18:24to go through.
18:25And I think it's quite amazing that there are over 30,000 families that have to deal with this.
18:31Can we keep Rufus?
18:32You can keep Rufus.
18:34Aww.
18:35Well, thank you so much.
18:36Really enjoyed that.
18:37Quite all right.
18:38And thank you for our teddy bears.
18:39Thank you very much.
18:40Quite all right.
18:42I really enjoyed that.
18:43It was good, wasn't it?
18:44That was so good.
18:45I did enjoy that.
18:46You knew so much about that because of your mum.
18:52First lessons done.
18:55A really, really nice start to the course.
18:59I think no one's fazed in the class that I'm older, which was one of my worries.
19:05So I'm relieved it's over and I do feel quite tired.
19:16Empathy is a word that keeps coming up in my head.
19:19Each class I do, you're learning about how would someone feel.
19:23It's putting yourself in someone's shoes who has got this illness.
19:27I think empathy is one of the most important things that you need.
19:31There's a fantastic project that's going on in Northern Ireland.
19:35It gives children the chance to mix with elderly people that maybe they wouldn't have a chance to do.
19:40And they're that age that I was when I was in hospitals and mixing with older people.
19:46And I think that's where I got my empathy.
19:49So it just sounds like a fantastic thing to do.
19:51Hi Pauling.
19:52You alright?
19:54Belfast teacher Leah Smith is on a mission.
19:57Boys and girls are here, come on in and say your hellos.
20:00Her pupils visit a local care home to connect with the residents.
20:04So they can see how to help and care for the older generation.
20:09Philip, Philip how are you?
20:10These boys, they're going to do some games and some jigsaws and stuff if you would be interested.
20:17Ronnie, do you know how to play X-E-O-Zs?
20:20So Ronnie, you're going to be O and Ryan is going to be X.
20:24Thank you so much Pet, you're so good.
20:26So for here, Noah and Sam, they get on really well together.
20:30They have a lovely relationship.
20:32These girls love Isabel.
20:34You know, we teach maths, we teach literacy, we teach all of those things.
20:37But these real life experiences are what really impacts the kids in the long term.
20:41A lot of them were a little bit nervous at the start.
20:44Now you can see that they just get stuck in.
20:46So it's really increased their confidence, empathy, understanding.
20:50Just develop them though as a whole person.
20:52I love it just seeing all the smiles on everyone's faces.
20:56And they just make our day and we make our day.
21:00I think actually this one, they get to hear.
21:04The kids said that they felt really special because the older people take time to listen to them.
21:08Us as adults, we're always so busy.
21:10Sometimes kids are trying to talk to us, we're going yes, yes.
21:12But when they come here, everybody takes time to talk to them.
21:15Yeah, you come away buzzing every time.
21:17It's just lovely and you see such a different side to the children.
21:20And you're just so proud of them and the love and the care that they show.
21:25Okay guys, let's go.
21:28Bye.
21:29I would love there to be somewhere for Joanie to go like that project.
21:34What a special, special thing.
21:45I've got a very funny feeling this morning because last week was filled with nerves
21:51because it was first day at the college, first day of everything.
21:54But today, you know, it's my first placement.
21:59I'm going into hospital and that feels special, but very, very scary.
22:04I'm a bit of a perfectionist.
22:05I want to get things right.
22:07So yeah, I just hope it goes really well.
22:09And I better go and get ready.
22:11On this Level 3 BTEC, it isn't mandatory to go out and do placements,
22:16but you're really encouraged to get out in the working place to see people.
22:20You learn so much more than just sitting in the classroom.
22:25Phoebe.
22:26Hello.
22:28I've come to the Princess Alexandra Hospital where I'll be shadowing Nurse Phoebe
22:32in the Children's Diabetes Unit.
22:35Have you been on any other placements yet?
22:38No, not yet.
22:39This is the first one.
22:41Diabetes can develop from any age, birth through to adulthood,
22:45and across the world it's rising in children.
22:47In the UK alone, there are hundreds of specialist diabetes nurses, like Phoebe, supporting these families.
22:56It's quite a...
22:58It's a real kind of specialised part of care.
23:02What was the reason for choosing paediatric diabetes?
23:06As a young child, my mum was diagnosed with MS, multiple sclerosis.
23:11Okay.
23:12And I helped to look after her and was a young carer from about the age of 11.
23:18And that was kind of a big driver for me to actually get into nursing.
23:21And then I started my training in the Christmas of my first year.
23:25My sister was diagnosed with diabetes.
23:27Okay.
23:28So she was 10 years old at the time.
23:30And she has struggled like lots of teenagers do to come to terms with the realisation that they've got diabetes
23:36and how that fits into life for her.
23:39And so I'm really driven to try and help improve and put time into the care of those young people
23:45and get it right, right from the beginning.
23:47I bet your sister's very proud of you.
23:49I hope so.
23:52Talking to my student friends and their situations, to now meeting people on placements,
23:58I reckon it's going to be a real running theme that people that I meet are going to have been
24:04surrounded by the care sector a lot of their lives.
24:07And there's a motivation for wanting to help because they've been through it.
24:14Phoebe's Diabetes Clinic offers support and guidance to families, enabling them to care for their child at home.
24:20Today's patient is three-year-old Jackson and his mum Carly.
24:26Hello.
24:27Hi.
24:28Hi Jackson.
24:30Jackson was diagnosed just four months ago and has recently been fitted with a small pump
24:35to help regulate the amount of insulin being delivered to his body.
24:39What should we bring?
24:40What about this guy?
24:41Phoebe's job today is to check how well it's working.
24:44And we need to weigh you and see how tall you've got.
24:48I bet you've got really tall.
24:49And Natalie's going to help me do that because she's been learning.
24:52My job on placement was to support Phoebe as much as I could so she could be really invested in
24:58the family
24:59and I could just do the bits and pieces for her and learn on the job.
25:02That's it. Do it jointly.
25:05Jackson, can you look nice straight?
25:08Can I do?
25:10105.
25:12Perfect.
25:13Wow.
25:14I would love to be more involved, but I don't know enough to get more involved yet.
25:18But hopefully I can get my teeth into more as we go on.
25:22How did it all happen for you then?
25:24He was just buzzing in water.
25:26Like, I mean, it literally couldn't quench his thirst.
25:29Right.
25:29So I was like, I'll take him to the doctor.
25:30Maybe he's got a water infection or something.
25:32And they sent him straight to A&E.
25:35And he was diagnosed within about 20 minutes.
25:38Jackson's mum had a really scary time of it.
25:40It really hit home to me how serious type 1 diabetes is.
25:44And my heart broke for her a little bit.
25:46She's been forced to become this carer and a diabetes expert overnight.
25:51And I just think people are wonderful.
25:57Oh, I'm a bit scared today.
26:00This is my first time at the hospital.
26:03So we can be a little bit scared together, if you like.
26:07With no cure for type 1 diabetes,
26:10insulin pumps provide a life-saving option for families with young children.
26:15How's your new pump going, Jackson?
26:18Good.
26:19New technology takes away the frequent injections,
26:22but the cannula and connecting tubes do need to be changed every few days.
26:27How's he dealing with the changes at the moment?
26:30It's getting better.
26:30It's quite a big thing to go through the insertion every 3 days for the pump
26:35and every 10 days for his continuous glucose monitor.
26:38And he really struggled at the beginning, didn't he?
26:40Yeah.
26:40It was horrible, but so far it's a game-changer
26:43because the pump's doing the majority of the work for us.
26:46I can't even imagine what it was like before this technology.
26:51It's life-saving, isn't it, really?
26:53Jackson, I'm just going to show Natalie and Mummy your numbers.
26:56Phoebe radiated kindness, calmness.
27:00Great with the children, which obviously is something you really need to be.
27:04So I think we need to look at increasing the amount of insulin that we're giving with that dinner.
27:08OK.
27:09She was just great, really lovely to watch, and I learnt a lot from her.
27:12It's looking really good.
27:14Yeah, looking really good.
27:16Well done, guys.
27:17Right, thank you so much.
27:19No worries.
27:19Through this course I'm going to see a lot of difficult things.
27:23And I think...
27:25It's just life.
27:27It's what happens.
27:28So you can't let it affect you too emotionally, but it really...
27:32You know, it really does take you about what people go through.
27:35It's only the first bit.
27:39I know how much I hate blood tests, and I know I'm going to be seeing little children have them
27:44today.
27:45It will be over so quick, Ray-Anne.
27:47Yeah, it's drawn back.
27:53We had a message which was just Abby saying, Ariana's got cancer.
27:59And it was very hard.
28:03Very hard.
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28:36I'd love you, ako already.
28:38Yeah, I'm sorry.
28:47You just did not understand...
28:47I've never jubed you, but...
28:51I've never even heard any of the things that I've ever done.
28:52I'm not sure.
28:53I am not sure I was one of the things that I don't have to...
28:53...hormous.
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