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Cara Delevingne sits down for Variety's Up Next ahead of her debut album release. She talks about coming out as a lesbian, three years of sobriety, and what it took to finally let herself make music — including crying in the shower. She also opens up about her girlfriend, sending Taylor Swift her music video, already writing a second album, and the very long names she has for her cats.
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00:00My head is a hoarder's house.
00:01The cats are boys, but they're drag queens.
00:03They're so beautiful, everyone thinks they're women.
00:04At this point in my life, I'm very happy to say I'm a lesbian.
00:07I sent, like, Taylor the video last night, which was really fun.
00:17Hey everyone, welcome to Variety's Up Next.
00:19I'm Tiana, and my guest today is the one and only Cara Delevingne.
00:23Thank you for being here.
00:24You say my name nice.
00:25So I obviously want to talk so much about your music,
00:27but first, we do have a little fishbowl here with all the Google Trends.
00:31I was watching that fishbowl and wondering what was in there.
00:34What was the surprise?
00:35What is the surprise?
00:36So it's all the Google Trends for your name today.
00:38So everything people are searching about you today.
00:40Today.
00:41I'd love for you to pick one and read it
00:42and maybe try and make sense of why people might be searching this.
00:45This is fabulous.
00:48Why is Cara wearing so many loud things on her leather jacket?
00:51Good question.
00:53Cara Delevingne can.
00:55Can do anything.
00:57Is that what they mean?
00:58No, I'm guessing it's Cannes, the film festival.
01:00You were there for a premiere for Club Kid.
01:02How was that?
01:02You've been to Cannes, though.
01:04I've been to Cannes, but I've never been with a movie.
01:05So that was super exciting and really, really emotional
01:10to be able to be there with Jordan and as his friend and collaborator
01:14and as the director and writer.
01:17I just was really blown away by him in general and everyone, the cast.
01:21It was just, it was a wonderful, wonderful time.
01:23But yeah, Cannes is a stressful place, but when you go with people you love,
01:27it's a blast.
01:28You hadn't done a film since 2022.
01:30What was it about Club Kid that made you want to jump back into doing film?
01:34Oh, God.
01:35I didn't even know that.
01:36Um, good question.
01:39I've done a few films last year, this year, last year and this year.
01:45But I think for me, after I did Cabaret on the West End, I really,
01:52and I think after getting sober, I really didn't want to spend my time doing anything
01:55that I wasn't completely obsessed with.
01:59So, yeah, I think it was a kind of shift in not just wanting to work to work,
02:05to really want to be a part of things that I care about and, you know,
02:09would die to do or would pay to do, I guess.
02:11I guess you just read that script maybe and you're like, I gotta do this.
02:14Yeah.
02:14Totally obsessed.
02:15His world building and story and narrative and humor and kind of the despair and light
02:22and darkness of everything he managed to capture so well.
02:26So, yeah, I'm excited for fans to see it beyond the festival.
02:29Let's have you do one more and then we'll have you put it back.
02:32What's it going to say?
02:34Is Cara Delevingne modeling always?
02:39No, not right now.
02:41But yes, I mean, I think it's really important to, I don't know,
02:47especially in this day and age, if you're lucky enough to be a creative
02:50and to be able to get paid to do that, that you shouldn't have to stop doing anything,
02:55that you should be able to be multifaceted and, yeah, kind of do whatever is in your wheelhouse.
03:02So, you know, if I'm lucky enough to, I'll continue to model and, you know,
03:08do whatever I can that I'm good enough at, I suppose.
03:11So you're not done with modeling.
03:12You would be open to going back.
03:13No, no.
03:14I mean, you know, I still do some bits here and there, but it's not where my heart is.
03:20Yeah, you're on to other projects.
03:22You're doing other things.
03:22Your journey in Hollywood is so interesting to me, like in terms of you start modeling
03:28and you're 10 years old, you pose for Vogue Italia and then you move on to acting in 2012
03:33and then now you're doing music.
03:35I feel like, would you say you've experienced all aspects of the entertainment industry
03:39at this point?
03:40And if so, what's the most challenging?
03:41You're so good with dates.
03:42I would have had no idea.
03:44If you'd asked me any dates of things that have happened, I really wouldn't know.
03:47I don't think I judge life well in terms of like linear time, but I don't think I've
03:53experienced all facets of the entertainment industry if I had, I don't know.
03:58I feel like there's just so much to offer in this space.
04:00Good, bad, ugly, amazing.
04:03Um, but yeah, I feel like I've lived different lives almost.
04:10Um, but you know, as a person, it's really only made me grow and challenged me in ways.
04:18And I don't think I would be here if I didn't have like incredible people throughout that
04:25period of time who believed in me, because there was certainly so many periods where I
04:28didn't believe in myself.
04:29So I think that to me has been the most important thing.
04:34And I really hope, um, as I get older and I meet people and young people who want to get
04:38into this industry, that they have that kind of like belief and help for me, I guess.
04:43What's been the reception every time you kind of pivot and do something new in your career?
04:47You know, like we said, we went from modeling to acting to music.
04:50How has the reception been with the public when you do something new?
04:54I don't think people love it that much.
04:55Uh, which I get it, I think, because I think people like to put people in boxes and it's
05:03like a, a safety thing or a control thing.
05:07Or I don't know, maybe people would say that, you know, maybe you should stick to one thing.
05:13I personally believe that as an artist, you know, if you're lucky to have many different
05:19types of tools and different colors in your, you know, paintbrush kit that you should be
05:25able to use all of them.
05:26Um, and that really has only helped me grow as an artist.
05:29And I think taking time to do different things and push myself creatively has only made me
05:37appreciate the things that maybe I was resentful for at one point, whether I was burned out
05:42or worked too much, I think the perspective shift always makes you look back on things
05:48and go, oh my God, that's such an amazing job or opportunity, or I wish I'd been able
05:53to enjoy that more.
05:54Or, you know, I think, yeah, I just think for a period of time, I just said yes to everything
05:59because I didn't, I felt so, so lucky and I just didn't feel like I deserved it.
06:03So saying no just felt like a crime.
06:05That's crazy that you said you felt like you didn't deserve it.
06:08What do you mean by that?
06:09Oh, uh, yeah.
06:11I mean, I, I think most artists have this, most people have this.
06:14It's just the imposter syndrome thing of not feeling and not even just creatively.
06:19I just think not ever feeling enough as a person.
06:22Um, I think that comes down to like, you know, mental health is a part of it, but also, yeah,
06:30I don't know, nothing ever been good enough.
06:32And I think that's also partly why I'm so driven and a bit of a perfectionist.
06:39Um, but yeah, I always think it can be better.
06:42I think anyone in any sort of creative industry feels that way.
06:45You're always squeaking.
06:46And at some point you need to just release it.
06:47It's art.
06:48You need to calm down.
06:50Exactly.
06:50No.
06:50And you mentioned, obviously, you've been sober.
06:52You've been sober for three years.
06:53How did that influence your, your album?
06:56Um, yeah, for me, the, the journey of making the album, I've been doing music since I was
07:04a kid and I've always loved it.
07:07But again, for me, music was one of the biggest highlights of not being good enough because
07:13it was something that was so private for me and something I started doing to express mostly
07:20pain and sadness and things I couldn't describe with words, I suppose, or feelings.
07:27So, yeah, I, I, I definitely think finding out who I wasn't in the journey of sobriety gave
07:38me a really good point of view to what I could say and what my point of view was.
07:42Also, I think I had so much emotional backup that I had to release somehow.
07:49And I remember, um, being in the shower with my girlfriend and crying to her about how I
07:55had to do music now.
07:56And I was so scared by her reaction because she's a musician and she's been one of my
08:02biggest supporters and has been so incredible during this process has had to put up with
08:06a lot for me, I have to say.
08:08And, um, yeah, I, I think I was also just scared of admitting it to myself because it
08:16meant I would really have to look in the mirror and really realize how much doubt I have
08:20in myself and how much I need to constantly remind myself that I believe in myself.
08:27And it's a lot, it's been a lot.
08:29It's amazing though.
08:30I like wouldn't change anything.
08:32I wouldn't change anything about it.
08:33And the last, yeah, three, four years of this journey has been the most growth possible.
08:40I feel like sometimes it's the hardest to accept it yourself.
08:42Like I can do this.
08:43I, you know, convince yourself that you're worthy.
08:45You can, it's easier to say, I can't.
08:48Absolutely.
08:48For sure.
08:49What type of reassurance did your girlfriend give you?
08:51Cause she is a musician.
08:52Did she listen to the songs and give you any feedback or was she just kind of emotional support?
08:56Yeah, I think I remember the first day coming back from the studio and playing her, you know,
09:01a day of demo and I thought it was, I thought it was a good song.
09:06The song's on the album, so it is a good song, but she was really not shocked, but I could
09:11see that she was like, oh, there was something and I can't tell you exactly what it is because
09:15it's her brain, but that like registered to her that maybe this isn't like, cause you know,
09:20someone could say like, I want to do music and I didn't know that it was going to work
09:24up to this. You know, I wanted to test the waters. Um, but I think it registered for her
09:28that moment, like, oh, this, this is going to be a thing, which was scary and fun to see, but
09:36she is, yeah, my biggest champion. And also she's really honest with me, which I really adore.
09:42That's important.
09:43Yeah. Because when most people are nice to me, I don't believe them. So she has no problem
09:49being like, no, or like it's, she'll never say that like simply, but she's so, she's
09:55so talented. And so she's been in their business for a long time, but she's so specific about
10:01what she knows and likes. So I just want to impress her all the time. And I get so nervous.
10:07I mean, I'm playing, uh, she's an incredible guitarist. I could listen to her play guitar and
10:12sing forever, but she, uh, I'm playing like a guitar solo at the end. And to even imagine
10:18her seeing me do that is like, makes me want to vomit in my hands. It's not nice.
10:23How did you two meet? How did you and your girlfriend meet?
10:25We went to school together. We went to school from 11 till 18. She was the year above me.
10:31Um, I just thought she, exactly. I just thought she was the most rad. I mean, she was so talented,
10:38also very shy and we were very different. I think, I don't think I was born naturally talented.
10:47I think she had this gift about her that she could just, I don't know, at 10, pick up
10:52a guitar and play like Jimi Hendrix. Obviously not that easily, but, uh, I think I've always
10:59felt like I needed to be like, I wasn't ever really naturally good at things. Maybe that
11:04again, this is my perception of myself, but, um, yeah, she was just always, she looks the
11:11same too when we were like at school.
11:13Well, I love that earlier this month. Also, you, uh, made a little appearance on Rosalia's
11:18tour in London and you had said, if you didn't know already, I'm a lesbian.
11:23Yeah.
11:23Was that the first time you said that publicly?
11:25I don't know, man. It's so funny because people are, people love to comment on stuff
11:30like that. I've like, she's not gay. She's pan or she's her boyfriend. I'm like, yes, I
11:36have, but at this point in my life, I'm very happy to say I'm a lesbian. I also hate, I
11:41hate, uh, labels. I always have hated labels, but I don't see myself being with anyone else
11:48for the rest of my life. And I want to have a family with this woman. So yes, I'm a
11:51very
11:51proud lesbian. I just don't think you ever have to need to say it, but I also just like
11:55to fuck with people and say it.
11:57Absolutely. I feel like you should never have to put a label on yourself if you don't want,
12:01but there is something, I don't know if you agree, but like empowering about claiming the
12:05word lesbian as something positive.
12:07Agreed. I usually wear a ring, uh, my dyke ring, which I wear like basically every day.
12:10I'm sad I don't have it on right now, but there was something about my own internalized
12:14homophobia where that word was something I really didn't want to say or admit. And I
12:20think it's taken a lot of like the fuck, the fucking, the fucking younger generation
12:25of, of being proud and these like incredible, you know, gay women. And I just, it, it is
12:31incredible when you have that kind of representation and community, what it can do. And
12:34like, you're like, wow, we really can learn so much from like the youth.
12:39I feel like we saw that a lot in your album in terms of like expressing yourself. Um, it
12:43feels very honest. Can you talk to me a little bit about the process of making the album
12:47and what you wanted to get across as a whole, like for the project?
12:51Again, I just think I had so much to say, like one of the songs, which will be out on
12:54Friday, it's called I Forgot. And it was me walking into the studio and being like,
12:58I forgot the world was real. And then we're like, that's the song we're making today.
13:00Uh, it just felt like all of the things that I had been going through, not even in the
13:07last three years, in the last 10 years, just came to a head. And a lot of them were like
13:13streams of consciousness. The opening, uh, the opening title track is a poem I wrote
13:19when I was in my twenties, uh, that I actually said at like a woman's, uh, talk about mental
13:25health. And I was like, Oh, I want to start. And it's like, first line is, Hey, look, mom,
13:30I made it. Um, but just little things like that, which I've been able to bring in, uh,
13:35and probably the most important part of all of it was finding a producer that helped me.
13:42Yes. Cause where do you even start?
13:44Like how do you even start to find a producer when it's your first album? It's your first,
13:47like really launching yourself into music. Um, I was absolutely going to ask you where you
13:51started to find a producer. I mean, I worked, I've worked with incredible producers on this
13:55album. A lot of who I started the songs with. Um, I just think if I was going to do
14:03music
14:03in my head at that point, I was like, the only way I can do this is if it manages
14:08to mirror and
14:10really portray what it sounds like in my head sometimes, or what it feels like to
14:18be disassociating or having a panic attack. And I, so I wanted something which was quite
14:24alarming or shocking or hard to digest or something to chew on almost.
14:31What were you going through in your life to want to make that the sound to go in that direction?
14:36I've had so much music in my life that I would listen to when I feel those things, but I
14:40didn't
14:40feel like I had heard that before, like a kind of sonic representation of like internal conflict.
14:47I mean, there were a lot of songs I wanted to write that was so hard to write about because
14:53it's just like an insane thing, but I always wanted to go for something harder than something
14:58easy. I suppose, you know, there is a love song on this about my girlfriend, which I think was
15:03probably the easiest song to write because it's just the narrative and the story of it.
15:09Everything else was kind of like, I was figuring it out as I was going along.
15:14Which again, was, has been super, super cathartic. I really haven't done therapy. Well, I have,
15:20that's a lie, but like, it's been so helpful to me because it really is.
15:26Yeah. Something that is plucked out of somewhere or something that's deep from your subconscious
15:30that you didn't even know was there. It's fascinating.
15:34And to see what it becomes after you put it on like a paper, put it on a song.
15:37Speaking and a language comes out you've never heard before and you're like, that's weird.
15:41Crazy.
15:41How do you think the fans will react to the songs that you're putting out today?
15:45I don't know, man. They're pretty emo, which I love. I would say like,
15:50yeah, people are either going to love them or they're not, or I don't mind either way. But
15:54also I'm just very happy that people are going to hear them. And I want people to,
15:59you know, if they resonate with them to not feel so alone. You know, a lot of the lyrics are
16:03quite like
16:04heavy about being like socially overwhelmed and overwhelmed by feelings. And
16:11you know, the second song, which is called Out of My Head, is about getting out of your head.
16:16And I think sometimes that's one of my biggest things when I'm rehearsing at the moment for
16:20the live shows. I'm having such an issue with not dancing so much.
16:24Why not dancing?
16:25Because I need to sing a lot. So it's like, it's a mixture of like, I want to throw
16:31my body around in like the most way that because also the song is about getting out of your head,
16:36which I'm really trying to do while doing the show. Because I'm already overthinking everything.
16:40But then I'm also trying to sing and keep my breath up. I really should have trained more
16:44before all of this. But it's really interesting. It's interesting how, as I'm singing them,
16:49as time has gone on, they mean something different to me. So I just I yeah, I want people to
16:54take away
16:55whatever emotions come up for them, whether they just want to dance, whether they're like,
17:00oh, my God, I do need to get out of my head or, you know, whatever it may be, as
17:04long as it
17:05invokes anything. And even if it invokes nothing, it's still something.
17:09Sure.
17:10You've made it for yourself.
17:11Yeah.
17:11You know, you made the album for yourself.
17:12Yeah.
17:13Also, you are friends with a lot of famous musicians. You have Taylor Swift, Rihanna,
17:17Megan Thee Stallion. Did you send around any of your songs or the album to your friends?
17:20It's a good question. Yes and no. Some people yet again, I kept this really private.
17:27One of my best friends who's also my assistant, she literally only heard it like a couple of
17:33weeks ago, which is a crazy thing we spend. I mean, I don't think we talk every day, all day.
17:41So, yeah, there was definitely parts of this because I think having been in
17:48movies and stuff, you can't ever expect things to actually happen until they do because you can
17:53film a film and everything be in place and then it maybe never comes out. So, for this, I was
17:57like,
17:58it still isn't real yet until it's out. So, I think I didn't want to send it to people until,
18:06yeah, I mean, I sent like, I sent like Taylor the video last night, which was really fun. It's cool
18:11to see different people's expressions and feelings behind it because it's, people always have said
18:17the same thing, especially about this album where they're like, it's so odd and unexpected,
18:21but it's also so you. That I love. That's like great feedback. That's important. I feel like
18:28for someone to say it's so you, at least you're doing something authentic and it doesn't feel fake.
18:32Yeah. Did anyone give you any solid advice for entering the music industry?
18:37I feel like I've had so much. I'm so bad at remembering advice, which is such a bad trait
18:41because it's a question people ask so much. I think just that the anticipation of all of it
18:48is so much worse than when you let it go. And you know, I love asking people's opinions. What I
18:55have
18:55learned is that I'm really stubborn and actually people's opinions don't matter to me unless it's
19:01invoking something that makes me think, Oh, I need to change this or that. Um, it's really made me
19:06trust my instinct though. And my creative instrument a lot more. Uh, but advice. Yeah. I think people
19:15have just been really kind and they're like, you were made to do this. Like you just, just keeping
19:20reminding like good friends, like, you know, you can do it. It's unlike validating me for my nerves
19:26and my feelings and like the stress surrounding it. Yeah. Definitely making me feel a lot less
19:32alone. And then like asking people, I feel very lucky to have so many friends that I respect so
19:38much and are so talented because anytime I ask for advice, they're like, Oh, I don't know who to cast
19:43in this music video. They like are just so good. Even like, yeah, people older, younger. It's just,
19:48it's really amazing, especially because when a lot of the, it's mostly women musicians,
19:53but they're all so different and in such different genres and write about different things and are
19:58such different artists. But I like look up to them all so much. So it's really, I feel very lucky
20:03for
20:03that. What kind of music do you listen to? Who are your fans? At the moment, nothing. It's really
20:07weird. Not mine either. But yeah, I don't know what that is. I've, again, I've heard musicians talk
20:14about that before when they're like, I just stopped listening to music for a bit. I can't,
20:18it's bizarre. I usually will always put music on like in the car. I can't do it. I've been listening
20:23to a lot of audio books. I don't know. I think I'm also like so into making another album already
20:29in my head that I need like a palette cleanser of like not listening to my, I'm going to have
20:34to be performing it, but because yeah, I really want, obviously I get inspired. You can't help
20:41me by getting inspired by things you hear and listen to. But I think I want something to come
20:46from like the absence of hearing music. I don't know if it's going to work. Are you already working
20:51on another album? Already in my head. Yeah. Like saving pieces aside for the next. Oh yeah. Yeah.
20:56Yeah. There's so much, uh, the copper's full filled over. There's definitely going to be some
21:00spillage, but there's, yeah, I'm already back in the studio, which I don't have time for. It's
21:04going to be fine. So you, you're really diving into music. Do you feel like music for now is your
21:10priority or you want to as well, like be acting, be modeling like again, or is, is, are you focused
21:14on music? I just also think because I'm not, I'm young still. I'm not as young as I used
21:22to be. It's harder to do so many things. I also don't think I can do things well enough
21:27to the ability. I want to be able to do them unless I really focus, which is so weird for
21:31me today. Um, but yeah, when you're really dedicated and locked into something, even
21:38though my attention puts me in 12 different other places, yeah, there's a different relationship
21:43back and forth with it. Um, I feel like I don't have a choice at the moment. Like my
21:49heart is just in this so much in music and everything about it. Even if something else
21:55happened, I just don't know. I don't know. I I'm still, I'm, I'm still acting though at the
21:58moment a little bit, but again, they're like small roles in people that I really love and
22:03care about and like indies that are really short. Like I can give myself to that. Cause
22:06that feels like, like a little holiday and less than like something I dive into so deeply,
22:11but also sorry, doing music has helped me act because weirdly, I think I used to put so
22:16much pressure on acting that once you care so much, you ultimately are bad. And I think there's
22:23something about the freedom of music that has made me just a bit more chill about it.
22:29I throw things away a lot less. I don't know. No, no human being, if you're acting as a part
22:35is
22:35so pressured about the human that they are most of the time that didn't make any sense,
22:41but it did in my head. But I think it's, it's really, it, again, I just think pushing yourself
22:45and getting outside of your comfort zone only really helps you grow in a multitude of ways
22:50that you don't realize until you try. I feel like also you realize that you're passionate,
22:54you care about something else as well. So it's not the be all and end all in terms of like
22:58only focusing on acting. So you're like, no, you're doing a lot of creative things. So you're
23:03like all your outlets feel a little bit different and maybe you hold weight to a certain one over
23:06the other at the time, right? Well, whatever makes sense to you. You mentioned that your
23:10listening party for the album, that a lot of this album was you processing like emotions and healing
23:15from trauma. What were you healing from? So much, not so much as in like, whoa, it's me. I mean,
23:21I'm very dramatic. So maybe that is a slightly, there's a few songs on this album that is very,
23:26very drama and also probably quite transformed and inspired by me doing cabaret. It feels like
23:34a lot of it, it's like a rock opera sometimes. A rock opera. I know, I know. We'll see. It's
23:39a lot
23:39of, it's a lot. It's like a new genre. Yeah. Rock opera. But yeah, I think a lot of it
23:47is about
23:49grief and not even grief, like the grief we all know about. It's more grief of losing parts of
23:55yourself or the friendships or relationships or loss, living, the pain of living, the joy of living.
24:09Probably. Yeah. Again, a lot about like learning not to hate yourself, the kind of destructive
24:17mental patterns, you know, there's like so many songs that I wanted to write about, like
24:23the part, the dark part of yourself and the light side and them having a battle. That's what it kind
24:28of felt like a lot of the time in this album, which is why when the music goes off and
24:32it bends and shifts
24:33and change, it's like how that relationship is doing a dance a lot of the time. The interesting thing
24:37about like trauma, I mean, we all have some sort of trauma, is that once you try and make the
24:44most
24:44dramatic thing you can about the trauma, it really feels a lot lighter. It's like these songs feel
24:50like so much more gravity than maybe, but they felt that way at the time. But once they exist,
24:56it feels like weight is lifted in some way. I think that makes sense. It's the therapy you've
25:01written it, you've gotten it out there. And then I'm like, who is this dramatic lady coming
25:05out that is singing this song? I don't know who I was when I wrote this. It's really interesting.
25:09That's why you're writing the second album, because you're like, I have new emotions.
25:12I'm catching up, babe.
25:12I'm catching up.
25:13What are you looking forward to this year? Obviously, you're playing the live shows,
25:16you know, you have this album coming out. Is there anything maybe not music related that
25:19you're excited about?
25:23No, it's all music right now. I'm excited to see if I want to see Club Kid.
25:28Oh, what else am I excited for?
25:31Do you think we'll see you direct at all anymore?
25:33Oh, yeah, I hope so. I loved the Pretty Girls music video.
25:37Oh, thank you. Yeah, I definitely want to do some more music videos. I might be doing
25:40one or two of mine, which is exciting. Directing your own?
25:43Yes. Yeah, I love it.
25:44Um, co-directing, directing. We'll see. Again, time is a little bit of the essence right now. But
25:51yeah, I think everything is in this music and in this journey. So I'm excited to journey into it.
26:00I feel like I'm just getting into the tunnel. I don't know why it's a tunnel, but right now it
26:04feels like that. And then, yeah, maybe the tunnel will go underwater. Maybe we'll go into the sky.
26:09I don't know where it's going to go, but it's going to be really interesting. It's the not knowing,
26:13which is really, you know, if you don't, I don't drink coffee. It's not knowing that gets me up in
26:18the morning. The sheer anxiety. It's great. You don't drink coffee. No, God, no.
26:23So you're like sober from caffeine. Oh, I never, I never drank coffee. I'm such a,
26:31I don't know, man. I think maybe the word is ADHD. I'm not diagnosed, but I just wake up with
26:36pangs of anxiety. And I think that just gets me through the day. Coffee would make that worse.
26:41I don't drink coffee for that reason. Yeah. I remember once having like an espresso martini and being like,
26:45Oh my God. I was like on the ceiling and I'm on the ceiling without anything. So really,
26:53I didn't have it. I definitely don't need coffee. It's like a double edged sword.
26:56Yeah. No, I know. That's why I was like, I never really liked alcohol anywhere. I said,
27:01this is the worst day. Oh no. Everyone else can go to sleep and I'm up like,
27:07this is my issue as well as like my insomnia. And after, after doing cabaret,
27:11I would not sleep until sunrise take so long for me to peel myself off the ceiling.
27:17So my poor girlfriend is going to have to deal with so much, but that's where like
27:22the yoga and the meditation is really going to have to come in handy. I find it so hard to
27:26do,
27:26but as soon as I do it, everything is better. So this has been reminding myself.
27:31So you're a good meditator then? No. Well, I don't think anyone is good. I think the whole
27:36basis of like Eastern philosophy is that no one is good or bad. It's just the action of it,
27:41I suppose. But if I'm being sensitive about it now, I don't feel good at it at all. My head
27:47is
27:47a hoarder's house. It's not like, there's no clearness in it. There's just stuff everywhere.
27:52It's literally how my bedroom is. It's a nightmare in a good way. I wouldn't change it.
27:57I love it. Well, we're going to get to see inside your mind with this album.
27:59That's what I said today at the rehearsals. I was like, I hope this is a peek inside my brain.
28:03Maybe you don't want to come in, but welcome. It's going to be a hoarder's house. Maybe a cat,
28:08you know? Two cats. You have two cats? Two cats. Two dogs. What are their names? Winston, Winifred,
28:14Sanderson, Winona Ryder, Churchill. Cecilia Beverly Hill Davenport III. Wait, these are very long names.
28:22Oh, I know. They have a full name. Oh yeah. Those are the cats. They're brothers. Oh, those are just
28:26the cats.
28:27Those names, cats only. And then there's Sassy Bowles. And then there's Alfredo
28:33Sauce Alfie Moon Delevingne. Is he what my last name? Sure. I don't know. That's a lot of animals
28:39with a lot of names. The cats are boys, but they're drag queens. They're so beautiful. Everyone thinks
28:42they're women. So they had to have like really long names. Beverly Hills Davenport III after the
28:49drag queen family. That's what I spent my time doing is making up cat names. Yes. I think every cat
28:54owner
28:54makes up cat names. For sure. I have a cat tattoo. Oh babe, I've been looking at it the whole
28:59time. I'm like,
29:00I don't think the camera's getting it. And thinking, how can I get my tattoo?
29:03How can I get my cat tattooed? I'll give you my artist in LA. I mean, it's really great.
29:07What's your cat's name? Cinnamon. Just cinnamon. Sometimes cinnamonian.
29:12Cinnamonian. Cinnamonian. Cinny. You know. It's a really good conversation. It's about when people
29:19have cats and names that they have. Because it's like you just, the words that come out your mouth at
29:23your cat when the cat is around is bizarre. I love that we're ending this talking about cats. I'm like,
29:27wait, start it over. Can we all talk about this? This is better. Why did we not talk about this
29:31earlier? I should have brought up your cat tattoo first. You should have clocked it earlier. No.
29:34I did. I clocked it from the beginning. I just didn't know what to say.
29:37You're like, I'm just going to stare at it. It reminds me of when I was in Brazil. I tattooed,
29:43I tattooed a girl's shin of a dog face. And you don't know what I draw like, but it's bad.
29:48Oh,
29:49okay. If there's something that I'm really bad at, it is drawing. And my God,
29:52I feel bad. And that's what it reminded me of. And that's maybe why I didn't bring it up.
29:55Were you saying it's bad? No, yours is great. The one I did on her was bad.
29:59And that's- I feel like, remember when I tattooed an animal poorly on someone?
30:02Poorly. On someone's front of their shin. That's a really, it better be good like that.
30:06Do they forgive you? I don't know. I don't know. I haven't seen them since they were in Brazil.
30:10I'm so sorry if you're out there. I think you should tattoo more. Get practice in there.
30:15Get practice in. I think no one needs that in the world.
30:18You can do my next cat tattoo. Okay, fine. I do. You can do one of me.
30:21Thank you so much, Cara. Thank you so much.
30:23for being here, letting us inside your mind. I'll not pay a no.
30:26I'm sure everyone is very excited to listen to the music and the new album, so thank you.
30:32Now you pick a fishbowl. No, I'm joking. Okay, do it.
30:35All right, let's do it. Aw, wait, I feel like I picked a sad one.
30:38Oh, God. Cara Delevingne, Karl Lagerfeld.
30:41All right, that's sad. That's nice though.
30:43He was your mentor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He definitely believed in me.
30:46You gave a speech at his memorial about cats.
30:49I did. Did you not?
30:50I was a cat. Wasn't I? I played the cat.
30:54Yes. I was chupette.
30:55I got a Persian cat because the chupette was a Persian cat.
30:58Here at the
30:59I servic materia.
31:01Here at the
31:06There at the
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