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00:00Spencer Pratt, the one and only.
00:02It's pub day.
00:03His new book, The Guy You Love to Hate, Confessions from a Reality TV Villain, is out now.
00:08Thank you so much for taking the time.
00:10What else would I be doing?
00:12What else could you be doing?
00:14We are just so grateful that you planned ahead of Mother Nature, because when we were like,
00:19oh my God, there is no way, there is no world, no flights are taking off, but you planned
00:23ahead.
00:23You got to New York early, so you've been surviving the snowstorm with us.
00:26Yeah, you know, I was expecting way more, got a little too hyped up.
00:32I saw snow, but.
00:34It wasn't so apocalyptic.
00:36I am just thankful I wasn't in any of those lines stocking up on groceries or putting gasoline
00:42in Tupperware, like some of these.
00:45No, you were busy talking to Gayle King, who called you a douche canoe.
00:49Now, we were talking about this earlier on the show.
00:51I've never heard that phrase, but you didn't flinch.
00:53You know, I've been called everything at this point, so that was, I haven't been called
00:58that, so, but my reaction of being called everything is pretty, pretty good, which she
01:04threw me off because we had like a 30 minute, you know, pre, and it was so, she had notes,
01:11my whole book, all these quotes.
01:13So, I don't know if she did it to get me like soft, you know, like it was like a
01:18bait and
01:18switch, like she's like a pro, or once she gets in front of the camera, but I was expecting
01:23to get like gassed up and just like, oh, this, you know, this book is like Robert Frost, it's
01:29so poetic, da, da, da.
01:31And then she's like, you're a douche canoe.
01:33I'm like, oh, well.
01:34Now, it is a thing too, because I mean, she is a professional, but also like anything
01:38Gayle King says almost feels like a compliment, you know what I mean?
01:40Because she's such an icon too, so you're like, thank you, I don't know, yeah.
01:45Yeah, no, I was, again, I'm very humble these days, I'm grateful to be sitting with lights
01:53in a studio, you know, I mean, it's, and not just filming myself, so you can really get
01:59away with calling me anything with good lighting, and I'm better to the spot.
02:02I did like your point that like, the cast of Jersey Shore are a bunch of douche canoes,
02:06and they are still sailing.
02:08They are not, they don't stop.
02:10That's a douche mega yacht.
02:13That was what I should have been building.
02:15So, yeah, it's all the comments section.
02:18It's so fun.
02:19I never in my life, you know, I always wanted my own Selenators or Rihanna Navy, and now,
02:26you know, it's not at that tier, but you go look in that comments section, and they are
02:30at war over how I was treated.
02:33Wow.
02:34And I'm like, huh.
02:35That must feel so good.
02:36You're Taylor Swift?
02:38Right now, I feel like I'm doing a little better than Taylor, you know.
02:41Oh, I know, poor Taylor with the whole Blake Lively of it all, oh my God.
02:44I just keep going back to, as somebody who's been following rich people for so many years
02:50on the internet, even Karen Bass, the mayor of LA, knows to have an auto-deleting app for
02:56your messages.
02:57So, that's the problem with iMessage and the emoji and all the fun things that you get to
03:03use, but it'll backfire, you know, if your friend's suing people.
03:08Oh, yeah.
03:10But again, I'm still a Swifty, and like Stassi posted, it was a great video Stassi did on
03:16TikTok, where she's like, I like Taylor Swift more now.
03:19If this is the worst, her text message is, like, she's calling somebody a little B-I-T-C-H.
03:24It kind of shows that she's a ride or die for her friends, which I can appreciate.
03:27And also that she's a human, because I feel that's a thing, too.
03:29Like, Taylor Swift gets, like, because she is such a pop star that you don't, I don't
03:33think, I was like, oh my god, Taylor Swift knows how to text?
03:36Right.
03:37Like, she has a phone?
03:38Yeah, yeah, yeah.
03:39So I'm like, oh, that's kind of fun.
03:40And also, yeah.
03:41And also, we're all exhausted from the Baldoni situation, so I'm like, yeah, I would also
03:45be sending texts like that.
03:47I mean, I've been in a situation where I always assume, because I'm a screenshotter of everything,
03:53I almost text hoping my texts are posted somewhere, because they're works of art.
03:59You know, like, these are my songwriting.
04:01These are bombs, always.
04:02Well, this book is a work of art.
04:04And when did you get started writing on this?
04:06When did you know you wanted to write a book?
04:08I mean, I've wanted to write a book since I learned to read.
04:12Well, you are an author.
04:13How to Be Famous by Spencer Pratt and Heidi Montag is amazing.
04:15If you haven't checked it out, please do yourself a favor.
04:17It's truly incredible.
04:18But this book is so different.
04:20Yeah, this is, I didn't realize how heavy it was until doing the audio book.
04:25And that was so emotionally draining, like reliving the journey of, you know, because
04:29my ego and my quest for fame, I'm so far from where I dreamed of being, you know, so having
04:38to really relive reality in the sense that, oh, it didn't go how I had planned.
04:45But, you know, it also, so many people keep asking me, like, do you have regrets?
04:50Do you have regrets?
04:51And I always go back to, I did years of regrets after the hills was over and emotionally eating
04:58pot pies and chocolate pies and walnut pies.
05:03So I've accepted life.
05:06You take those experiences and they do make you stronger in the sense that as a parent now,
05:11I look forward to being able to share all these life lessons and mistakes where my dad,
05:17you know, is a hardworking dentist, but his career was so specific for the last four years.
05:23It goes in 7 a.m.
05:25He's drilling teeth.
05:26He's clean.
05:27There's not so much I got was able to be passed on.
05:31Like I have life so many of like almost in the new world, you know, in the sense of digital
05:37media and the internet that I'll be able to share with my kids.
05:40So things of what not to do.
05:42So that is like the takeaway.
05:44I'm like, okay, I'm not a billionaire.
05:47I'm not an A-list celebrity, but.
05:49But I feel like you're always like, I feel like because even you saying that you're not
05:53where you want to be, I'm like, I feel like I've been following you for so long.
05:56You've always been there.
05:57You know what I mean?
05:58You are also a pop culture pioneer.
06:00Like you really pioneered some very specific spaces.
06:02I think you, I mean, there were reality TV villains before you, but you just took it
06:06to a whole new level.
06:08And I think now with reflection societally, we all really appreciate what you did for
06:13that space.
06:14And it's amazing that you are writing about so many, about so many of those instances
06:18on the hills, a lot of behind the scenes tea from, from your time on the hills.
06:22And I think one of the things that has come out now, I know that people were talking about
06:25it online is that scene between you and Heidi in the car where you like kick her out of
06:29the car or whatever, and you like film that like what, like 50 times or something you
06:32said?
06:32Like it was.
06:33Yeah.
06:34I, somebody was like, I wish you had footage that I'm like, yeah, iPhones hadn't come out
06:38yet.
06:39Like, so do I, my, my blueberry didn't have a camera.
06:43Yeah.
06:43Um, but yes, in a perfect world, I would have camera footage and it would be the best clip
06:48ever to post that how many times she gets out.
06:52I circle the block and like, okay, drive away faster.
06:55And, um, the one thing that you, when you really think about it is that you get real
07:00emotion because you do start getting frustrated because they're, what I realized now is they
07:06have to film for that window.
07:08Like we're here, we have an eight hour block.
07:10If we're shooting this alley scene, we're going to spend two hours on it.
07:14Whereas, you know, when you're 23 years old, you're like, I got it.
07:18And like, Oh, we're going to do it for two more hours because we have to be here and we're
07:21billing MTV.
07:23So I think, you know, I'm not in the sense of good actor.
07:27It's they create that tension, that annoying, like one more time.
07:32Can you say it?
07:32And you're just like, I'll do whatever you need me to do for this.
07:36Yeah.
07:36And then you're just like annoyed.
07:38And then that comes off.
07:39But yeah, they get out of my car scene.
07:42It was so funny.
07:43Cause I'm, we literally got back in the car and drove to Don Antonio's and Don Antonio's
07:48the best and those Spencer steak tacos, which are still on the menu are the best thing
07:53on the menu.
07:54Oh my God.
07:54It's so good.
07:55I miss Don Antonio so much.
07:57Well, if you come February 4th is my big party there.
08:00Are you having a book party there?
08:02I'm having a mayoral.
08:04Oh, we can have the books there.
08:08I love that your mayoral kickoff party is at Don Antonio's.
08:13That is absolutely incredible.
08:15Have you been to Don Antonio's dinner?
08:17I'd have to take you there next time we're in LA.
08:18It is the best.
08:20It's so freaking good.
08:21And also speaking of places fans can see you today, you're going to be at bookends in
08:24Ridgewood, New Jersey, which is a famous bookstore right here.
08:28Cause I was surprised that we weren't doing one down the street.
08:31And they're like, no, this is the book.
08:33I'm a Jersey boy.
08:34You're going to a pretty good, that's an impeccable bookstore and Ridgewood.
08:37Have you been to Ridgewood before?
08:38Maybe.
08:39It's fancy.
08:39It's nice.
08:41Melissa Gorga's store is there.
08:42Oh, I will stop by.
08:43Cause I beat her in the celebrity weakest link.
08:47You could bring your book in front of her.
08:50She probably owes me some of those pastries.
08:52Oh, the sprinkle cookies.
08:54They're actually really delicious.
08:56You will love them.
08:57Well, she sent me after our house burned down like a box of them.
09:00Oh, that's really sweet.
09:01I was like, all I have is cookies now.
09:03Look at that.
09:04You're like, I have a tin.
09:05Perfect.
09:06Fabulous.
09:06Thanks God.
09:07And then also Friday, you're going to be at the Grove.
09:09The Grove, which in my book, the first paparazzi stage set up for the Hills cast when I snuck
09:18a pap on LC and Brody was coming out of the movie theater at the Grove.
09:23Impeccable.
09:24So it's very full circle.
09:25And Heidi lived across the street from the Grove when I met her.
09:28So we would walk around there.
09:31I haven't been there in...
09:32A long time.
09:33God knows how long.
09:34Oh my goodness.
09:35But cannot wait.
09:36Oh, that's exciting.
09:37A little walk down memory lane.
09:38Spencer, another thing that you cover in this book is those Mary Kate Olsen photos.
09:42Can we please talk about that?
09:44Because that was honestly such a genius move on your part.
09:48You took the photos off his wall and you were like, you don't need to look at these anymore.
09:52It was who's son?
09:54Max Winkler.
09:55No, Henry Winkler's son.
09:57Okay.
09:57And you were like, you don't need to look at these photos anymore.
09:59So you took them and then you sold them for $50,000 to fund a film project?
10:03I think it got up to like $90,000.
10:05Holy shit.
10:05I think the first was $50,000.
10:08And you know, people, you know, now, you know, I've bought TikTokers who've made videos like,
10:13how dare blah, blah, blah.
10:16When you're, I think I'm 19 at this time, these lovely individuals are already 100 millionaires.
10:24Nothing I, you know, sold, they wouldn't post if you were a 19-year-old Olivia Rodrigo or whatever.
10:31Or if you're, nothing that I sold, you wouldn't post on your IG.
10:35Right.
10:35So, yes, like it was legitimately like beer bottles in the background that maybe they weren't even theirs.
10:43You know, they were in a, they were in a hotel room.
10:45And the photo that people always think, I didn't, I think that would kick this off.
10:50I don't, my memory's a little off.
10:52But there's a photo of me at like a semi-formal and there, I think Mary-Kate, she looks inebriated.
11:00I didn't sell that photo.
11:01I'm in it.
11:02You know, that one, that's somebody else.
11:04So that's the one I get a little heat for.
11:05But my photos were clean.
11:07They were, again, I'll run it back.
11:10You know, I'll do it today.
11:12So there's, that's one thing that, you know, the people are like, oh my God, private.
11:16I'm like, no.
11:17I just never had, I guess, mercy for 100 millionaires.
11:21So I think, now I think people just only hate billionaires, but I, I've been on 100 millionaires since then.
11:28Like, no, we're cool.
11:29Like, no tears spent for, you know.
11:32But you know, it's weird.
11:33I don't think it made the book.
11:35Years later, we went to a meeting and at this house, Heidi and I, for this licensing deal.
11:42And the guy sitting across from us, he's like, you know how many years I've wanted to kill you?
11:46I'm like, what?
11:47What?
11:48I'm like, no, sir.
11:50Why are we in here?
11:51And it ends up, it was this guy, I think his name, excuse me, I could be wrong, Robert Thorne,
11:58her manager.
12:01So he then told me, like, what we had to do to, like, da, da, da, da, da.
12:04Oh my God.
12:06But he still wanted to, like, take on Spidey.
12:08And I was like, you know, hey, it couldn't have been that bad.
12:10You're like, all roads, you know, it was destiny for us to meet.
12:12It was a strange moment.
12:14But yes, I wish things had worked out differently so I had, like, a plug at Roe for Heidi and
12:20I could get, like, an $80,000 bag right now.
12:24Did you?
12:24I was going to say, yeah, that's on sale.
12:26Yeah, yeah.
12:27Did you ever hear from Mary-Kate after that?
12:29Oh, you know, Christmas cards, really.
12:34But I did get a little scared when she was dating the, like, the mercenary guy, not the military industrial
12:43complex.
12:45Like, what are they?
12:46Like, private army type.
12:48Right.
12:48I was like, oh, he knows assassins.
12:50I hope we're cool.
12:52Just send her a pack of cigarettes and she'd be good.
12:54Yeah, yeah.
12:55All good now.
12:56It was all fun and games.
12:57Tell you of, like, a guy that makes drones with missiles.
13:01But they broke up, so we're cool now.
13:03You're safe.
13:03You're safe.
13:04We're all good.
13:04Wait, we're good.
13:05We wanted you to come in because we just, we're so excited to talk to you about this book, but
13:09also because, like Evan mentioned, you are so tapped into all the pop culture.
13:12Oh, I get that.
13:12And I remember when we interviewed you and Heidi a few years ago, we were, Heidi was talking to us
13:19about how her mom group,
13:20kicked her out of her mom group.
13:22Like, she got iced out.
13:23Heidi is so funny.
13:24When I told her about that mom group, she's like, how do I get in?
13:27She's like, can I get Ashley Dizdale's spot?
13:29That's what we were saying.
13:30She should take her spot.
13:31I'm like, I didn't, Mandy Moore is already, she's in the group, right?
13:35Yeah.
13:35She's already a little frustrated, I think, with me because I've been, like, hounding her about the Heidi-Mandy candy
13:41remix.
13:42Oh, it would be so good.
13:43That I had cooked up and everything.
13:45And she was like, oh, keep those vocals.
13:47I'm like, okay, yeah.
13:48Send me the $250,000 license, you know, because I was hoping she'd send the fresh vocals so be free.
13:55And that hasn't happened yet.
13:56So I haven't added into my stocking.
14:00Also, what's the group chat to put Heidi in?
14:04But I do love that that is in the works, though.
14:06So she was kind of interested, Mandy.
14:08I mean, so I, is accosted a harsh word?
14:12I mean, no.
14:13You passionately messaged.
14:15No, I passionately rolled up at her at Monster Jam.
14:19Okay.
14:20And thankfully her husband was so supportive and he was like, yes, do this.
14:23Oh, he's cool, yeah.
14:24So he, so I really was like, oh, we're family, we're doing this.
14:28And I had her friend, who's a famous songwriter who wrote Icon for Heidi.
14:34Oh, wow.
14:34So Madison Love, I asked Madison Love to rewrite like the hit new modern version of Candy and
14:42then have the hook be the old one.
14:44And she did it.
14:44And it's a banger.
14:46And I sent it to Mandy and she was like, oh my gosh, keep the original on thinking that
14:50like I'm Jimmy Iovine and I'm just going to be like, okay, here's the, you know, so right
14:56now it's, it'll maybe happen never, but so the group chats may be more possible.
15:02Wait, and also because Madison Love is, because I double checked, she's writing Hilary Duff's
15:05new music.
15:05So there's a lot of synergy for this mom group takeover to happen.
15:09And Heidi, I feel like will fit into that group big time because she doesn't have time
15:14to text.
15:14She's more of like a, just like a little, should be just, so she's not going to annoy them
15:18like Ashley Chesil annoyed them.
15:20You know that I was pretty shocked.
15:23Was it Hilary Duff's husband that made the mock-up little thing?
15:27I'm like, dang, get this guy on a reality show.
15:30He would be good.
15:31And he's like got a Photoshopper and on deck and, but that, I love all that.
15:37So we need more of that in the world.
15:39Yeah, we absolutely do.
15:41I know, like celebrities having fun.
15:42They need to just add Blake and Taylor in there.
15:45Oh my God.
15:45Because we know they like to have little violins and, you know, but yeah.
15:50Hilary Duff, I'm so excited for her.
15:53And I think she's doing, not that she cares what I think, but my outside like fan of famous
15:58people, she's doing so great because people don't realize after going on a mini tour with
16:04Heidi, how like, and she's a mom, she's doing all this and she's, it's all sounding great
16:10and looking great.
16:11I'm like, good for her.
16:12I know.
16:13I'm so happy for her.
16:13It's been like Hunger Games to get tickets.
16:15She's playing in New York tonight.
16:16I wasn't able to get tickets and I'm just like, I'm manifesting.
16:19She's doing a bigger tour soon.
16:20I feel like she has to, I feel like she is because in the press release for this, this,
16:25I guess it's like a theater tour.
16:26It was like more live performances to come.
16:28So something tells me that she is going to be announcing an arena tour or I'm just, I'm
16:32hoping I'm manifesting that.
16:33I'm also manifesting a Heidi Montag arena tour or some kind of tour.
16:36I know we're sad that the snow kept her from joining you this week.
16:38You know, it all worked out because our children, I, I'm not sure the nannies would have
16:45survived, so I think the Lord works in mysterious ways.
16:52But yeah, is Heidi itching to get back on stage?
16:53Crazy amount.
16:55And to the point where now she actually has Hilary Duff's vocal producer that Hilary
17:00trained, you know, is like this famous.
17:02So she's taking it even, if you could have taken it more serious now, Heidi's even more
17:07locked in with the training and, you know.
17:11That's amazing to hear because she, I mean, she obviously took it very seriously last year.
17:14I can't even believe it's been just a year since her music blew up the way that it did.
17:18And then she gifted the fans with so much, so much new music.
17:22It was like, I literally could cry thinking about it, like how much she released.
17:25And even going back into the archives from like 2008, it was honestly such a blessing and
17:30such a gift.
17:31What was it like sort of going on that ride with her?
17:35You know, it was, it was so needed to not have a mental breakdown because it's like, and
17:43that's why people are like, oh my gosh, it's so great that you're doing so well.
17:47Like, again, I'll go, I have to, it has to be God.
17:50God was like the only thing that will keep Spencer from like having a real breakdown is
17:55like Heidi's music's number one.
17:57Heidi's in front of 40,000 people in London screaming all these, you know, and everywhere
18:01we went, yeah, billboards and the energy with the fans was so phenomenal.
18:07You know, you can, one thing I know about watching the internet a lot is you can't fake
18:13people who really love you and support you and everywhere we went, that energy was so
18:19powerful that it got me selfishly forget, you know, anything that was going on with
18:23Heidi, just as a bystander, that energy was so powerful to get me to where I am now in
18:29this, in this journey we've been on, but I'm actually the most excited for her new
18:33music, which, uh, is 18 new songs, 18 and I would say 70% of them are all written and
18:41produced from like hit writers in Sweden and Norway.
18:44Oh my God.
18:45So it's like, like pop factory.
18:47Yeah.
18:47Oh, I'm so excited.
18:49So I would say Heidi would was kind of more of that hyper pop and you know, this is just
18:54pop bangers.
18:56Oh my God.
18:56Is there a timeline for when it's coming into the world?
18:58I mean, it should be out today, but it's not, um, at least I'd say max four or five
19:05weeks.
19:05Oh my God.
19:06So we're getting a book and an album from the frats.
19:10Wow.
19:10Yeah.
19:10Incredible.
19:11Well, I'm almost ready to stop the album release because Tik TOK just turned my account into
19:18a governmental organization.
19:19Like I'm a politician and they took away Heidi's music off my account.
19:24Wait, that's annoying.
19:26Annoying.
19:26It is.
19:27It's criminal.
19:28Yeah.
19:29That's crazy.
19:30So I'm like, maybe we wait till I win a mayor and then, you know, drop a first lady
19:36album.
19:36Like, and then I won't be so, I'll be busy.
19:39I can't be making Tik TOK.
19:40Oh, that's right.
19:40Okay.
19:40I was going to say, I think your Tik TOK would still be under that category where you'd be
19:44too busy trying to Tik TOK.
19:45Otherwise I'm going to be not busy, not being able to post her music.
19:48Oh my God.
19:49But that must, she must be so excited to have her coming out in the world.
19:52You know, it's, it's actually so stressful because her photos are all so good.
19:57So it's like the group chat of like, which I'm like, this is a really good problem, honey.
20:02To look stuck in every single photo.
20:04So really, this is not a usual problem people have.
20:07Now, speaking of Heidi's music, there is a section in the book where you talk about the
20:10song Body Language, which is such an iconic track.
20:13Us Heidi fans are obsessed with it.
20:15It's one of the best.
20:16And you guys dropped a whole Body Language EP last year with remixes and new versions.
20:21But you, you have a rap verse on it.
20:23And in the book, you write about how you begged Ryan Seacrest not to play because you
20:27were embarrassed by the rap verse?
20:28No, no.
20:29I, I don't even think I begged.
20:30I think I demanded and like yelled at him and he thought I was.
20:34Like joking.
20:36Well, the issue you'll read in the book is that that song was connected to a 360 deal
20:41with Warner Music Group.
20:43And at the time, Peter Lopez, who was Heidi's music attorney that we got from David Foster
20:48was Michael Jackson's attorney and 360 deals, I swear were invented that week.
20:54So they were just, and they were trying to stick it on Heidi.
20:57And he was like, you can't have a 360 deal.
21:00You're making all this money from TV.
21:01They're going to be able to take this.
21:02If you go to an appearance in Vegas for being famous, they're going to take a cut.
21:07So he was like, do not sign this.
21:10And RIP Tommy Page, the head of A&R at Warner, must have given it to Ryan to like save
21:16the
21:16deal and salvage it.
21:17So Ryan just played it when that wasn't connected to the negotiations.
21:22Nowadays, my brain, I would have called Ryan and be like, keep it running.
21:27Go, go, go.
21:28And then I would have gone back to Warner and Peter Lopez like, no, no, we got a song pop
21:48He was still on Degrassi, but that would be my, at the time, it was definitely set for
21:55some heavy hitter.
21:56I got to say though, it was iconic.
21:58I love it.
21:59I think it's great.
22:00I think you do a fantastic job on it.
22:02I feel like you maybe missed your calling as a rapper.
22:04I mean, I think I tried with I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here, which in the book, if
22:09I
22:09didn't do that song, we wouldn't have got Heidi's distribution deal through Warner.
22:14So it's all connected.
22:15It's all, you know, it's, you know, the failures create, as Pitbull says on I'll Do It, closes
22:22one door and opens another.
22:24There you go.
22:25Lessons from Pitbull.
22:26We are going to take a quick break.
22:27Then we're going to be back with more Spencer talking all about The Guy You Love to Hate.
22:30It is out now and he's going to be in Ridgewood tonight.
22:33So don't go anywhere.
22:33It's Patriots Radio.
22:35We're back with Patriots Radio.
22:36I'm Danny Murphy.
22:36I'm Evan Real.
22:37Evan, what have we been talking about?
22:38Who have we been talking with?
22:38We've been hanging out with Spencer Pratt and it has been such a joy.
22:41I hate that we have to wrap this interview pretty soon.
22:45So we have to we have to squeeze some juice out of you, Spencer.
22:48Yes, from the book, The Guy You Love to Hate, out now.
22:50Because you share so many stories we were just talking about during the break, Lauren Conrad
22:55and the sex tape rumor that really upended the hills.
22:58And so for the first time, we're getting clarity, I guess, about why you felt compelled
23:04to text your friend Perez Hilton about this.
23:07What would you say was the catalyst?
23:10Was it sort of the late night hangouts with Lauren and Lauren keeping Heidi from you?
23:13Is that would that be is that correct?
23:19Or what culminated to you being like, you know, Perez, I heard about this?
23:23No, I think, you know, at this point, Perez and I were so close and he was the gossip girl
23:30of our show.
23:31You know, so that anything that was happening, we were already, you know, and the show loved it because that
23:37was when he was, you know, peak pop in.
23:40And it was marketing.
23:42So from my perspective, this individual that was a bad guy in L.C.'s world at the time, letter name
23:53starts with a J.
23:55I thought, if anything, the fact that he was out there, allegedly trying to shop this, I didn't see anything
24:05but a positive.
24:06Like, here we have Mary Tyler Moore, a victim story as well.
24:12The bad guy who's the actual bad guy is still the bad guy.
24:17And again, it wasn't nothing was it wasn't like it's on X.
24:23And I'm telling him, here's where it is to repost it.
24:26It's just so, you know, again, it, I would run it back right now.
24:34And if we use the word rumor, but if you read the book, it's interesting that if it was a
24:41rumor, Perez has his notes that he verified it with multiple sources that this was real.
24:48Oh, that Jason was shopping it around.
24:51Whether that or it existed.
24:53It existed. So in the book, we reference Perez's notes that he still has his receipts.
24:59So you can call it a rumor or you can just call it the facts.
25:03Gotcha. And then so after that, there was kind of this concerted effort on Lauren's part to get you guys
25:08off the show.
25:09But then you guys figured out a master plan to do the Cabo wedding and the cover with Us Weekly,
25:15which you think sort of solidified your place on the show and kind of made you unfireable.
25:20I think we could have also got a divorce and been unfireable. That's what we mentioned in the book.
25:25You know, we just needed drama and action.
25:29And that was clear that the show was pretty boring without drama.
25:35I mean, everyone watched for Spidey, honestly, at a certain point, because no one else was really doing much of
25:40anything except for going to lunch and shopping.
25:42Yeah, which is, it's fun to watch as an ad for Amazon.
25:48Or it's like, I like to do that in my own time, but I'm not filming myself.
25:50You're like, hey guys, look at me at Sweetgreen.
25:53With a great soundtrack.
25:54We should shout out, while we're here, the new California Post, right?
25:59Oh, yeah.
26:00Hello.
26:01Shout out.
26:01It just launched yesterday.
26:03I know.
26:03How are you feeling about that as a California visitor?
26:05Thank God.
26:06As much as I love sharing New York Post articles for the brand I'm building here, I love having...
26:13I kind of have the right time for you.
26:15There's a California Post page six Hollywood.
26:17It's really checking audio boxes.
26:19So I'm very pumped on that.
26:21Oh, oh my God.
26:22Hopefully you guys have California Post radio also with it.
26:25I feel like maybe that could be in the works.
26:27That's got to be in the works.
26:28Hosted by Spencer Pratt.
26:30I'm available.
26:31Okay.
26:32That's good to know.
26:33And you wake up early because you woke up early for us to be here today.
26:36So, yeah.
26:36I'm not sure I went to bed.
26:38Okay.
26:38That is a great hack.
26:40Yeah.
26:41We call it sleep, but the amount of people I'm like fighting in my dreams now.
26:48Who are you fighting?
26:49Usually Newsom.
26:50Okay.
26:51Oh, that's right.
26:52Or Karen Basura.
26:53Gotcha.
26:53Oh, Karen Basura.
26:54Okay.
26:55That's your nickname.
26:57Well, that's just trash.
26:59And so you're having your mayoral kickoff party at Don Antonio's coming.
27:03What are you most excited for about kicking things off as the potential next mayor of
27:08L.A.?
27:09Oh, I thought we were talking about the party.
27:10Oh, well, both.
27:11Because at the party, shout out Comos, my favorite tequila.
27:14Okay.
27:14Is going to have like 18 bottles there.
27:16Oh, amazing.
27:17For the VIPs.
27:18Is that the tequila that's pouring out of you right now?
27:20You know how crazy life is?
27:22I got to this Italian restaurant that Heidi made a reservation for a date night, which
27:25she couldn't come.
27:26So, of course, I had to go and eat for both of us.
27:57Yeah.
27:58Please send me a free bottle.
28:03So, what were we talking about?
28:06Comos tequila being at your mayoral kickoff party.
28:09I don't know.
28:09I think it was something else, but whatever.
28:11The full circle of it.
28:12Yeah.
28:12Full circle is I'm drinking way less these days.
28:15Oh, there we go.
28:16Okay.
28:16So, you know, if you're going to be mayor, you can't be.
28:19That is very true.
28:20One every couple nights.
28:23Okay.
28:23I've got rid of the skinny margarita part, though.
28:27Okay.
28:27I don't put that into it.
28:29It's just...
28:29Just straight to the point?
28:31Yeah.
28:31That's the skinniest margarita, then.
28:32Exactly.
28:33There you go.
28:34And I've also cut down on my Mexican food because our Magic Mike sitting here has been
28:39inspiring me.
28:40Get out of here.
28:40With this NC-18 content.
28:43Oh, you think it's that spicy?
28:45You know, some of those underwear are getting very...
28:49And it's funny.
28:49He doesn't wear underwear usually, so he puts on underwear for a third time.
28:53Yeah.
28:53Exactly.
28:53I will say, they are inspiring me how you have...
28:57Since I've met you, you got Rambo Buff.
29:00Oh, my God.
29:00I appreciate that.
29:01It gives me hope that if I just worked out, you know...
29:04Well, anything is possible, I will say.
29:06Are you doing peptides or testosterone?
29:08What's that?
29:09No.
29:09I'm just me bodybuilding.
29:11A bodybuilding coach is helping me through my journey.
29:14No, no, nothing.
29:15Yeah, no.
29:16Nothing.
29:17Okay.
29:17Just totally clean.
29:19Just keeping it clean over here.
29:21So, yeah.
29:23So, thank you for that content.
29:26You're welcome.
29:27I will be posting more.
29:29You know that when I'm working out, I'm typically listening to Heidi.
29:31That's why you don't get swiped too quick.
29:34You know?
29:34Oh, that's so good.
29:37But yes, I'm so thankful to be here.
29:40The book, I was so excited.
29:41I was number one on Amazon.
29:43Yes.
29:43And then I searched, and I'm number one performer television, but I'm not number one yet.
29:49Okay.
29:49Well, we have to all change that right now.
29:50We're going to get you number one.
29:52And I looked.
29:52I don't know who number one is.
29:54I never heard of this person.
29:55Do you remember the name?
29:56Not.
29:57They're not going to be number one.
29:59So, even if you don't want to read this, it would be a great troll gift to, like, send somebody,
30:06you know?
30:06Okay, there you go.
30:08That's another angle.
30:09And if you're not a reader, I put more energy into the audio book than anyone has.
30:15I believe that.
30:16And I'll tell you this, because you love music.
30:18I'm the only audio book to be mixed by 17 Grammy mixer, Jason Joshua, who did all Beyonce's Lemonade, every
30:28hit, Jason Joshua.
30:29So, he mixed my audio book, which nobody does.
30:31Did that happen by chance, or did you seek him out?
30:34Well, he did all Heidi's music.
30:36Oh, there you go.
30:36Okay.
30:37So, when I had an audio book, I was like, well, I need to have it mixed by the hit
30:40master.
30:41And the publisher was like, nobody does that.
30:42It's a compressed file.
30:44I go, oh, no.
30:45He will have your voice memo sounding like whatever that summer hit by Zara Larson is.
30:51Oh, Midnight Sun, yeah.
30:52Midnight Sun.
30:54So, there's that, and it gets even better.
30:56The vocal producer for Kid Leroy that did Heidi's new album, this guy Sean Fellon, I had him vocal produce
31:05my audio, bringing in his famous microphones that are so rare.
31:09So, the audio book hits.
31:11That's where it's at.
31:12Wait, that's amazing.
31:13So, get that on Audible or Apple, and just, you know, if you want to hear the best audio book
31:18ever made.
31:19Okay.
31:19Oh, my God.
31:19Wait, that is an amazing – I know, I'm a – I kind of want to now do the audio.
31:22I'll do both.
31:23You should do both, everyone.
31:25And you can order up to 10 books, and it gets counted for New York Times.
31:29So, if you're feeling like, oh, you're feeling rich, you can stop at 10.
31:34You don't have to get excessive because they don't count past 10.
31:37But 10, an individual –
31:39But then it could be a gift for everybody.
31:40Yeah, I think, but then you'll get flagged past 10 that, like, you're an indie bookstore.
31:44So, we want to – I have to be New York Times, number one, because when Gavin Newsom and Karen
31:49Bass are referring to me as a washed-up reality star, I want to be able to get back and
31:55be like, oh, number one New York Times best-selling author washed-up reality star.
32:00Okay, there we go.
32:02So, it's very important to the – to the journey.
32:05To the whole – to the whole crowd.
32:06If anyone can make it happen, it's you, Spencer.
32:07And that is why people are going to be buying the book at Bookends Tonight in Ridgewood, and also on
32:12Friday at Barnes & Noble at the Grove, and also online, and the audiobook.
32:16What can fans expect from – we don't have that much time left – but from the book signing and
32:20everything like that?
32:21I mean –
32:21It's like basically a party, I feel.
32:23The kids would say some aura farming, right?
32:26Oh, hell yeah.
32:26Is that what I'm saying?
32:27I think I have heard that.
32:29I know really what it means, but I trust it's going to happen.
32:31We're going to do that.
32:32That's, like, trending.
32:34But, yes, thank you to always playing Heidi's music.
32:38Oh, we've been playing her all day.
32:39Yes.
32:39Amen.
32:40Every day of my life.
32:41Spencer, thank you so much for stopping by.
32:43The guy you love to hate, Confessions from a Reality TV Villain, is in bookstores now.
32:47Like we said, we're getting you to number one.
32:48And, guys, thank you so much for listening.
32:50Stay warm and stay safe because the snow is still – it's all around everywhere, and we'll talk to you
32:54tomorrow.
32:55Have a good one.
32:55I'm such a big fan.
32:56I'm a big, juicy scooper.
32:57I've loved you and Heidi forever.
32:58So I'm so glad to see the success you're having.
33:01It has been a chaotic couple months.
33:04You lost your house.
33:04Your mom and dad lost their house.
33:06But the way that you've made Lemonade Out of Lemons is so inspiring.
33:09What is the mindset?
33:10What has it been these past few months that it keeps you going?
33:13Wow.
33:15Not to bring down the vibe.
33:16No, no, no.
33:17Come here.
33:18How is it going?
33:19Are you with us?
33:19Yeah, it's just – I think it's having kids.
33:21When you have, like, kids you want to – you know, I think – I don't know how I would
33:27be if I didn't have two sons.
33:28I'm like, I need to get them a house back.
33:30I need to get my parents a house back.
33:32So I think it's just, like, the lock-in, at least for me, it just got so real because life
33:39has been very consistent my whole life, like, very routine.
33:45People joke my Snapchat was always, like, Groundhog's Day.
33:49And then it was just, like, my life as I knew it was over, how it was.
33:54So I don't have an answer to that.
33:57But it's just – I think it's just being a parent, you know, your life.
34:01Yeah, and you just have no other choice but to keep going.
34:03Yeah, you know, so it's – you've got to be all in.
34:07Okay, let's talk Coachella.
34:09Woo!
34:09Woo!
34:09You were the king of manifestation because you said you were only going to go to Coachella if Heidi performs.
34:14And Heidi performs.
34:15So I've got to know, does it live up to the hype?
34:16Shout-out, Cordy Kardashian and Boosh.
34:20Even though I'm a Swifty, I ride for Cordy Kardashian.
34:24She never said anything about Taylor.
34:26So, neutral grounds, so I'm safe here.
34:29But, yeah, it was incredible.
34:31The event was unbelievable.
34:33There were some technical difficulties, and Heidi powered through it, just like Lady Gaga had the same experience with these
34:40–
34:40you know, with these – it's so hot.
34:42These computers melt and the sound.
34:45So, it was unbelievable.
34:46And, again, it's about, like, once your house turns down and your whole town, you start really believing anything's possible.
34:53So, like, I was always, like, crystal manifesting, like, put positive energy, the secret, and then, like, post your whole
35:02life starting from zero.
35:04You're like, anything can happen.
35:06So, yeah, it's unbelievable.
35:08And Heidi's performing in San Francisco for Pride for 23,000 people, Seattle for 20,000 people, and Mighty Hoopla
35:18in London for 30,000 people.
35:19So, it's like, these are clearly just, like, miracles that –
35:22Robert Irwin.
35:23Like, I'm all in on.
35:25Just like – and obviously, it's the people watching this and posting and sharing.
35:29There's no, like, label or network that's making this happen.
35:33It's like the people that are supporting Heidi and myself and our family.
35:37So, that's the most empowering piece of it is, like, it's not a gimmick.
35:43Like, these are real people behind, like, pushing Heidi.
35:46The fandom goes hard.
35:48As soon as you said, let's stream, I'll do it.
35:50Superficial.
35:51I've kept it on repeat because she's actually a really great singer, and you can't make that type of stardom,
35:55the way to work a room, to work a crowd, the vibe, the look.
35:58I think you've always been behind her, but this is finally her time to shine in the world, seeing what
36:02you've always seen.
36:03Who would be a dream collab?
36:05Second to T-Swift, of course.
36:06I was going to say.
36:07Second to Taylor.
36:08We always got to say Taylor.
36:09I mean, I really wanted Bad Bunny because of, like, us fighting for number one.
36:14So, either Bad Bunny or The Weeknd, I feel like, would be funny because of, you know, taking their number
36:20one spot.
36:21But, you know, there's so many incredible artists.
36:23We met, it's not really the same sound, but obviously we love Gracie Abrams.
36:29You know, there's just so many incredible artists.
36:31So, that's the whole point of music is collabing and being with cool people.
36:36So, you know, it doesn't.
36:38Too many great artists.
36:39I'll take whoever wants to work with Heidi.
36:42We're open.
36:43There are some pretty amazing ones already, like, done that I'm not allowed to talk about.
36:50It's the worst.
36:51Shout out some superstars.
36:53I love that.
36:54Sorry, shout out Pitbull.
36:56Like, what an angel.
36:57I love Pitbull.
36:57We're, like, really coming to some, like, he was sick and he's like, I'm sick.
37:02Give me a week.
37:03You know, like, wait, like, so I'll always be, like, forever.
37:07I love that.
37:08Okay, got to get out.
37:09You're back.
37:10You're back on reality TV.
37:11Do you feel like this reignited that reality TV villain in you being in this house, being surrounded by people?
37:17It's a game you've never done before.
37:18So, did that bring a little bit of, like, that, you know, spicy Spencer out?
37:23Well, right off the jump, I asked the producers, like, what level, Spencer, do you want?
37:27And they're like, we just want you to try to win the million dollars.
37:30So, I was very just invested in getting the million dollars.
37:35So, it was the most fun I've ever had without Heidi, obviously, doing a reality show.
37:41So, it's an incredible game.
37:43And, you know, I love all the cast.
37:46We're in a group chat that messages more than my mom.
37:50Who do you get closest to in the house?
37:53Definitely Val.
37:54You guys have birthed like this ahead of time, right?
37:57No, I never met Val until the house.
37:58I never watched Dancing with the Stars.
38:00Sorry, Val, but now I'm very invested asking for all the throwback footage.
38:04Oh, so this must have been a while ago.
38:05Because when I spoke to Val, I wanted you to come on Dancing with the Stars,
38:09but you said you'd only do it if you could be partnered with Val,
38:11and I asked Val about it at Dancing.
38:13So, I know you guys were like this, but this is a new friendship.
38:16Oh, you do, yeah.
38:17I love that.
38:17We'll do a year and a half ago.
38:19Right.
38:20But when the show was filmed.
38:21Right.
38:21I love that.
38:22But, yeah, Val's the best.
38:23Yeah, and Kelty Knight recently said, you're the biggest green flag,
38:26which I really believe is true.
38:27You're a phenomenal husband.
38:29You're a great dad.
38:29But what is something you would love to accomplish for yourself this upcoming year?
38:34I don't have, like, personal goals.
38:37It's more like a family-driven goal.
38:38Like, I just want to get our house back and our life, like, the hummingbirds,
38:44literally the exact life I had on January 6th.
38:47Like, I just want that back.
38:49So, I don't have, like, you know, whatever it takes to get literally our house back,
38:56which is 2400 square feet.
38:59And it wasn't like, you know, people are like, move out of California.
39:02I'm like, no.
39:03Why would I move out of a beautiful water land?
39:05I love the Palisades, and I grew up here.
39:07So, that's the weird part, you know, in the comments section.
39:10I love the comments section.
39:11But they're always like, just move out.
39:13I'm like, no, this is where I want to be.
39:16So, I don't have, like, personal goals.
39:18It's more like, you know, family goals.
39:21Parents' house or house.
39:21Yeah, like.
39:22Yeah.
39:23Is there someone that you were surprised to reach out to when all this happened?
39:26Maybe someone from the Palisades community that you really got in close with after all this?
39:30I've also seen you, like, what happened?
39:31Oh, obviously, Rick Peruso, who's been, you know, very, you know, we always knew Rick from being in Palisades and
39:38eating in the village.
39:39And just, he's been just very helpful and positive and gives hope.
39:46And like, you know, like, we're going to rebuild.
39:48And I'm like, I don't think so.
39:50And he's like, we're doing this.
39:52I'm like, okay, I believe you.
39:54So, you know, that's like one of the more powerful leader type energy that, but, you know, everybody, you know,
40:03just even just non-famous people are the most important because they're the hardest people.
40:07Famous people will always hop on a trend or a click or a viral thing.
40:12But, like, real people in different countries and states that are supporting my wife, they mean more than me.
40:18And it's amazing.
40:20Not that I don't love famous people, but I'm just saying, like, real people mean the most.
40:26I love that so much.
40:26And you and Heidi have been through so much.
40:28More things that would break any normal couple, even dating back to the Hills days.
40:31What is the key to your successful marriage?
40:33Because I love you guys.
40:34I love Gunnar and Riker.
40:35How do you keep that romance alive?
40:37And especially with everything you guys are dealing with, what is that key?
40:40I always go back to comedy.
40:42Like, Heidi's so funny.
40:44I have a lot of dark humor.
40:46Like, and, you know, my mom always calls her, like, Pollyanna or Mary Poppins or something.
40:53Like, no matter how free our house bring down, even, we had a lot of, like, you know, first world
40:58problems, third world, whatever they say.
40:59Like, not real, but like, real life problems.
41:02And she always just stays so positive.
41:04So, I just, it's more Heidi just being, like, an angel.
41:08I mean, like, makes it a lot easier.
41:11I don't, I always say, like, I don't know if marriage would work out if I wasn't married to you.
41:15I love that.
41:16You know, so, it's more of Heidi being a really good person.
41:20Yeah, I was like, yeah.
41:20You guys make a great team.
41:22Heidi and Spencer, thank you so much for taking the time to chat.
41:25We're really excited to chat with you guys because Spencer is about to start his hydroxycut journey.
41:29Heidi, you've been so successful with your hydroxycut journey.
41:32Obviously, Spencer, I'm assuming you were inspired by how hot your wife looks.
41:38Yes, it's a lot of motivation when your wife has a six-pack and you can't fit into any of
41:43your skinny jeans.
41:45And, you know, you can only use clothes with elastic waist.
41:49So, I just been like, put me in the game, Heidi.
41:53You tell hydroxycut, set up the products.
41:55I love that you were inspired by Heidi, but it also, in the little video you posted, you were inspired
42:00by the state of Montana.
42:01Well, I'm inspired by fame and the fact that these guys, respectfully, they don't sing, they don't actually dance, and
42:11just, you know, have abs, and they're going this viral.
42:14So, yes, they're young and maybe good-looking, but there's a niche for old, non-dancing, non-singing guys with
42:24abs, and I'm going to target that to get all over the timeline.
42:28Okay, amazing.
42:29So, that is the goal here.
42:30You want abs in six weeks by the 4th of July, right?
42:33Like, tell us, like, what your ultimate goal is here with hydroxycut.
42:37Yeah, that would be my goal because everyone's all, you know, for a second, I thought dad bods were in,
42:43so I was leaning into that.
42:44You know, everyone was like, dad bods are hot.
42:46So, I was like, oh, just eating as much food as possible to just, you know, be the face of
42:51the dad bod.
42:52And then all of a sudden, you know, these guys from Montana got everyone like, oh, look how spucked they
42:59are.
42:59And I look at you on page six, got new Popeye arms, you know, and I'm like, oh, the trends
43:06are changing.
43:07And then Heidi's all ripped.
43:09So, I'm just popping hydroxycut, 2 in the morning, eating my gummies midday, have a little drink stick in the
43:17afternoon, or sachets also could be called.
43:20So, Heidi, with your transformation that you had and you showed off and it looks, you look so amazing, like,
43:26iconic, how has it been feeling?
43:28Like, what's been kind of like one of the best feelings you've had in this, like, transformative mode with hydroxycut?
43:35Well, for me, what I really love about hydroxycut is it just gives me that boost of energy I really
43:40need to be able to accomplish everything I want throughout the day.
43:43And that's why I really thrived on it, and I love it and felt really good on it and feel
43:48really good on it.
43:49So, it's nice to have that, to be able to get the workouts in that I need, to be able
43:53to go on the hikes with the kids that I want.
43:56So, that's my favorite part, and that was what I was so excited and trying to explain to Spencer about.
44:00I'm like, it gives me this boost of energy I need to live.
44:04So, for me, I love that.
44:06I love how I look and how strong I am, and all of that is incredible.
44:10And I just, I also really love that boost of energy that you need for that mom life to dig
44:15deep.
44:16Now, Heidi, how do you feel about dad bod versus ripped abs?
44:21And, like, I mean, do you have a preference?
44:24I love both, obviously.
44:26I think that Spencer looks great no matter what.
44:28But what I love about being ripped is not only Spencer's confidence, because he's always been really in shape and
44:35healthy, and I can tell that he feels better that way,
44:38is also a good role model for our son to take care of your body and to be able to
44:45eat healthy and showing, like, let's make healthy choices here.
44:49And also, the longevity.
44:51That's what I love about HydroxyCut and this whole journey.
44:53It really promotes a healthy lifestyle and making healthy choices and eating well, working out, and we want to live
45:01as long as possible and be as healthy as we can.
45:03So, I just love that it incorporates a really healthy lifestyle.
45:06Now, when we spoke to Heidi a few months back about her HydroxyCut journey, of course, the Ozempic craze was
45:12very much happening in Hollywood.
45:14I feel like it's still a discussion.
45:15Spencer, what are your thoughts on Ozempic, and were you ever tempted to go that route before going the HydroxyCut
45:22route?
45:22I don't know if it's, like, a hot, like, you know, controversial take, but, like, I'm not like, oh, I
45:27trust the pharmaceutical companies.
45:29I've seen a couple of Netflix documentaries and, you know, Michael Keaton play that little scene.
45:35I'm just like, these drug companies, I'm not sure if they're, you know, concerned about my long-term health and
45:42just trying to get it quick.
45:43And, obviously, I'm not judging anyone that wants to do that.
45:47But, personally, you start adding, like, needles and doctors and everything and insurance where, you know, versus something, you know,
45:56I take two.
45:57It's got vitamins in it, a little boost of energy.
45:59And I've had friends that actually know they've taken it.
46:03It didn't work.
46:04They're like, I still have my appetite.
46:05Like, my one friend ended up having to just get his stomach staple because it didn't even work, you know.
46:11Well, that's a more extreme version, but, you know.
46:14I think, also, for Spencer, it's not necessarily about just weight loss.
46:20And that's what can get lost with that type of, you know, version that people want to take.
46:27Like, for Spencer, it's not even a weight thing.
46:28It's, I want to look my healthiest, best version and be strong.
46:33So, you know, I feel like things like that, certain drugs, it's just for weight loss.
46:39But, like, for me, too, that wasn't my goal.
46:41I didn't want to just lose weight.
46:42I wanted to be really healthy.
46:43I wanted to eat healthy.
46:44I wanted to look the best version of myself and not just be skinny.
46:48Yeah, and there's a lot of people that are saying there's, like, I'm not trying to get, like, an ozempic
46:54face.
46:54I'm not trying to be on page six coming out of a place, you know, getting papped and, like, look
47:00all skeletal, like, spooky.
47:03And everyone, like, you know.
47:04There have been some ozempic faces facing with some dads, too.
47:09So, it's a very delicate dance, yes.
47:13So, which, again, people can do whatever they want with their bodies.
47:16A shot, that's all you.
47:18Me, I like the idea of some vitamins with a little special boost.
47:23Focusing on health and fitness together as a couple, how is it spicing up the relationship?
47:29Well, I'm only 24 hours into this campaign, so we're going to have to follow that up in six weeks,
47:35you know, right now.
47:36Heidi's obviously ripped, and I'm jiggling, and, you know, not where you want to jiggle.
47:43It's always good to have more cardio.
47:45Okay, so, you know, as much as this is a podcast, this is also a platform to us to figure
47:53out, actually, how to become relevant again, get a 16th minute past this podcast, actually be famous-ish.
48:02What would you suggest for Heidi and I in the media, ideas, how are we going to extend our level
48:12of notoriety?
48:13I think my idea is that Bethany had a lot of success, not with Rachel Raquel, but she had a
48:19lot of success with Jill Saren.
48:21So, if there is a way we can get Lauren Conrad on this podcast, that would certainly break the internet
48:28for sure.
48:28And then, if that doesn't work out, I'm-
48:32What's another plan?
48:33My idea, she hates me!
48:35Can we get an impersonator?
48:37Oh, or that.
48:38That actually would be really funny.
48:40Oh, my gosh, wait.
48:40I'll wear Kim's also yes, where?
48:41It could be Lauren.
48:42Because I-
48:43That's an idea.
48:44We could get Elsie Dupe.
48:46Oh, my gosh.
48:46She could say sorry to me.
48:49My plan B, though.
48:51Hi, Elsie Dupe.
48:51Yeah, plan B. Let's hear your plan B.
48:53Plan B is a tour of the gay clubs across the country, performing your music.
48:59I know that Chyna is a big lift, and getting there with the kids is a big lift, but maybe
49:04we could just do a West Coast tour at the gay clubs, San Francisco, L.A.
49:09I think that could be really fun.
49:11And I don't know if people know this, but you're the rapper on Body Language, so you're on stage, too.
49:15That's true.
49:16You know, someone's got to hold this baby off stage.
49:19He's going to be in his crib.
49:20I have said a gay club tour would absolutely be the worst.
49:25Not every show.
49:26You just can't start drinking until after the show.
49:28I don't know.
49:29They might.
49:30Because I like to turn up.
49:31Because we've got to get you on the stage.
49:34And I do feel like because you guys are Swifties, I have two ideas.
49:38I think both are more attainable than Evan's first one.
49:41You create, because one of the biggest, like, everyone is talking about Osanthak.
49:45You create your own brand of Osanthak.
49:48I feel like the lawsuits are...
49:51Who's more famous than people getting sued?
49:53I think the gay club tour might be a little easier than that one.
49:57I'll take it.
49:58But we have hydroxy cut.
50:00Maybe you just need a spin-off version of an injectable hydroxy cut.
50:04Yes.
50:05And while you do that on Instagram Live, call out or question why Olivia Rodrigo is, like,
50:10kind of distancing herself from Taylor a little bit.
50:12Who is she?
50:13Should I do the TikTok?
50:14Now you're going to get some help.
50:17Who is she?
50:18She's younger than you.
50:19I think she goes to...
50:20She's a little younger than you.
50:21She's a singer?
50:22She was born a little bit ago.
50:24The classic shade.
50:25I want to channel that.
50:25Who is she?
50:26She's a singer?
50:27But the fact that it was so genuine.
50:29What's her song?
50:30It wasn't even shade.
50:30It was...
50:31What's her song?
50:31You tell me when she's 21 and can go to a gay club.
50:34Okay, Olivia.
50:36Pass your driver's test first.
50:39Oh, is that her song?
50:40Driver's license?
50:41Uh-huh.
50:41Yeah.
50:42I'll Google it.
50:44She can open for you on the gay club tour.
50:46Okay.
50:47Should I put her on my group chat?
50:48Yes, yes.
50:49I don't know if she's a mommy, but I'm sure...
50:51Do the contact?
50:52We'll connect you.
50:52We'll connect you.
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