00:00And then I was squeezing to try and hold on and make it go faster,
00:03and I'm screaming,
00:06and then, yeah, so, yeah, that happened to me.
00:09This is a show about betrayal, backstabbing, deceit.
00:14I mean, look, these are all skills that, frankly, I would like to add to my skill set.
00:18So today, I want to do a little bit of a moral character test
00:22in a game called Scandal or Strategy.
00:25Catherine, you've already played this.
00:26Yeah, I can't say the words.
00:32You're doing really well, thank you.
00:34So I'm going to feed you a few hypothetical scenarios,
00:37and you need to tell me if you think that's like a smart business strategy
00:41or that's morally bankrupt, that's a step too far, I'm not doing it.
00:44All right, got it.
00:45The first one is you cancel plans with someone at the last minute
00:48because something better has come up.
00:50Oh, no.
00:52I think I've done that to you, haven't I?
00:53Yeah, you do that to me every time I try and meet up here.
00:56Yeah, this is a bit close to the boat.
00:58It's a scandal.
00:58It's okay.
00:59Cuffing every time I try and meet her, yeah?
01:01It's just two of the years, is it?
01:03No.
01:04No, hang on.
01:05Hang on.
01:06It was for good reason the few times that I've done it to you.
01:09What was the better opportunity that came up?
01:11It was quality time at home with my husband and my kids.
01:14She always chooses the kids over me.
01:17Yeah, 100% I do that.
01:19I need more detail.
01:19I need more information.
01:21Who's the friend?
01:22How much do I like them?
01:23How much better is the other thing on offer?
01:25It's Claire.
01:27It's Claire.
01:28Very good.
01:30Claire.
01:31I am busy operating at home.
01:35Why?
01:35I am sorry about that.
01:37It depends who the person is as well.
01:38I want to see him palatable, so I want to say scandal,
01:40but I've definitely done that.
01:41Have you done that?
01:41Yeah, well, yeah.
01:42I think you've probably done that with me.
01:43It depends on the person.
01:45No, it's possible.
01:46It depends.
01:47I'd say there's a strategy.
01:48I have no issue about that.
01:49Nothing is more delicious than when somebody cancels
01:51and you've got an eye off.
01:52And I would cancel without a second thought.
01:54It's the biggest favour, honestly.
01:56It is the biggest favour.
01:57Yeah.
01:57I would actually, you know, admire you.
01:59You list advanced horse riding on your CV
02:01after one lesson you took years ago
02:03because you think it might help you get cast in a period drama.
02:06Every actor does that, and I bet you did that.
02:08Yeah, so that's strategy, isn't it?
02:09Of course you do.
02:10I'm a trapeze artist.
02:11I can double.
02:11I'm an advanced salsa dancer.
02:13Yes, I can do accents.
02:16Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:18But sometimes lying is the way to become,
02:22and you are now a very advanced horse rider.
02:25I'm a horseman.
02:26Is that the craziest thing that you've listed on your CV?
02:29No, tightrope walking.
02:31Tightrope walking.
02:32You are joking.
02:33What was I thought?
02:34Well, you have not.
02:35I remember in the early days of being actually had a list of things
02:38of the list of tightrope walking was on there,
02:40like with juggling and trapeze artists and all that.
02:42I ticked a cup off it, but I don't want to leave it bare.
02:45No, that's fair enough.
02:46I don't know why you've been there.
02:47That is quite a niche one to tick.
02:49It is a niche one, because when are you going to get asked to tightrope walk?
02:51I mean, you know.
02:53You know, it's a strategy of risk, isn't it?
02:55I've had for Rivals Series 1 six hours of horse riding,
02:59where really I think what they...
03:00You did quite a bit of horse riding, didn't you?
03:02Well, they were aiming for Monica to be galloping as part of a hunt.
03:05Right.
03:05What they got was Monica just crossing the camera at quite a slow trot.
03:10Yeah.
03:11And that was the culmination of my six hours of...
03:13Yes, I'm on a horse briefly in Series 2.
03:16There's a lot of people who might have lied on their CV about horse riding
03:19who can now be justified.
03:21Danny Dyer.
03:22Well, he's solid.
03:24He's now a horseman of the apocalypse.
03:26Yeah, yeah.
03:26I was quite liberal with my accent list when I first got in a spotlight form.
03:32What was on the list?
03:33I mean, just anything I could think of.
03:34I think I ticked all the boxes, you know.
03:36There's probably a couple I can do without thinking too hard, but beyond that.
03:40I don't know an actor that doesn't do that.
03:42I've done that and I've been cast as a horse riding instructor.
03:46And then they put me on a horse and it galloped along a beach and I nearly died.
03:49And then I was squeezing to try and hold on and make it go faster.
03:53And I'm screaming, no!
03:56And then, yeah, so yeah, that happened to me.
03:58I've lived to tell the tale, yeah.
04:00But I definitely had horse riding down as a special skill.
04:02I really wouldn't have seen that.
04:04Oh, my God.
04:04Can I ask what the project was?
04:06It was Death in Paradise.
04:08It was in Guadalupe, yeah.
04:10You name drop a well-known director at a dinner party, even though you've barely worked with them.
04:16That's a little bit embarrassing, isn't it?
04:19Again, it's the risk-reward ratio because if someone else around that table turns out to be a close personal
04:24friend of said director,
04:25you could be painting yourself into a very embarrassing corner, you could be painting yourself into a very embarrassing corner.
04:55Yeah.
04:55It's a film that you haven't seen and you talk about it as if you have seen it and then
04:58you think you haven't and then you believe it.
04:59I actually just can't ever remember what anyone's called, so I would never do it for that reason.
05:05Yeah, very good.
05:06Okay.
05:06So you're saying you've done it before, Kathleen?
05:08No, I haven't.
05:09I haven't.
05:10I haven't.
05:10Never.
05:10I don't think I've done that.
05:12Do you tell everyone that you've worked with me, though?
05:15I just, I always forget your name.
05:17I know your first name and then I forget your second name.
05:19It's David Tennant.
05:20Yes, David.
05:21I'm David.
05:24I'm David Tennant.
05:25That was a pout.
05:26What a treat.
05:26David never pouts like that.
05:27That's okay.
05:29You take credit for a programming idea that a junior researcher originally...
05:34Oh, that's scandalous.
05:34Oh, that's scandalous.
05:34I would never do that.
05:35We're saying that's scandalous.
05:36Yeah, I think that's naughty.
05:38There's a lot of that that goes on in this game as well.
05:40Particularly with a young person, you can't punch down like that.
05:43That's not cool.
05:44No.
05:44So we're saying...
05:45Yeah, that's scandalous.
05:46That's out of order.
05:47That's a scandal.
05:47We're not doing that.
05:48It's a liberty.
05:50That's not cool.
05:51You flirted with this dilemma about the baby, haven't you already?
05:56I've already claimed responsibility.
05:59Someone's telling it.
06:00I've claimed responsibility for something in the script that...
06:02I'm sure it was me, though.
06:04You know, the Emily, baby, Tony...
06:07Right.
06:07Well, someone's...
06:09Someone's embellishing.
06:10Someone's playing with that.
06:11Someone's embellishing or somebody telling the truth, Claire?
06:13Oh!
06:13Well, yeah.
06:14What I'm hearing is that you were a lead scriptwriter in this...
06:17In this show.
06:18I basically...
06:19I basically broke down the storyline for most of the episodes.
06:24It's fine.
06:25I'm happy for others to take credit.
06:27Honestly, I'm way above needing that.
06:30No, I mean, that's...
06:31You would do that.
06:31Well, I would not do that.
06:33You definitely would do that.
06:33I mean, that's in bullying sort of territory, isn't it?
06:36That is your territory.
06:36That's like...
06:39I mean, it depends.
06:40What is the idea?
06:42If it's a really good idea and something that's gonna...
06:45If it's really good...
06:46And maybe I can make myself have the idea as well, so I'm not actually nicking it.
06:49I'm like, oh, I've had that idea.
06:50And then I convince myself I've had it all my own.
06:53Television franchises.
06:54Something like that.
06:55Rival.
06:56Rivalry.
06:59Rivalry.
07:00Rivalry.
07:00Take that to Disney.
07:01I might take that to Disney.
07:03They'll think I'm having a break down.
07:05Yeah, no, I'd do it too.
07:06Yeah, yeah, yeah.
07:07It's hard.
07:08In our cutthroat world, isn't it?
07:09There's cutthroat out there.
07:09It's difficult to get by.
07:11You gotta do what you gotta do in this business, you know?
07:13Good.
07:14Yeah.
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