00:00I'd say change him. I think you've got a dud there. I mean, a nice man and no doubt very
00:07intelligent man, but a man so overcautious and so seen publicly.
00:12I don't know what he means privately, but seen publicly as somebody who decides something and then once he gets
00:18a bit of opposition, turns back.
00:20Unlike Thatcher, unlike Blair, who are kind of bold statement politicians. In times of crisis, you need that.
00:28It's what I was saying about Wilson, you know, you keep the thing cracking along and then your supporters just
00:35have to hang on.
00:36At the moment, the Labour Party is in complete disarray about what it really wants.
00:40So if it is Andy Burnham who comes to Parliament and then is in a position to challenge the Prime
00:45Minister, do you think he would be different in substance or is it the case that he'd be a better
00:51communicator and that is crucial in our age?
00:54I think he'd be a far better communicator. I don't know what his views are. I mean, I've had him
01:01on programmes often and have never quite been able to work out what he stands for to tell the truth.
01:08I think he has on his side the kind of political patina of energy, youth, enthusiasm and the so-called
01:19success of Manchester, which is compared to the UK as a whole, tiny microcosm, but nevertheless generally seemed to be
01:27successful.
01:28That they brought in, they got industry to come to Manchester. Manchester was revived under Burnham's mayoralty and we keep
01:36on being told he was very good with the buses.
01:39So, you know, those sound small things, but they show a kind of willingness to change.
01:45So, you know, those sound small things.
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