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00:00Jesus. I know. I know.
00:04It's going to be fun.
00:14Hey, what's going on everybody for First We Feast? I'm Sean Evans. You're watching Hot Ones and today
00:18we deliver you a very special episode brought to you by Tums because even legends need relief
00:23and I'm thrilled to be joined in the studio by the legend himself, Tim Howard.
00:27Nicknamed the Secretary of Defense, he's the most capped goalkeeper in U.S. men's national
00:31team history, 13 seasons in the Premier League, and a tournament record 16 saves in a single
00:36match against Belgium in 2014. But will he walk away with a clean sheet against the world's
00:40spiciest wings? Only time will tell. Tim Howard, welcome to the show.
00:44Thank you. I think, thank you. I'm not sure what we're doing today, but we're going to
00:49find out.
00:50What's going through your head as you prepare to take on these wings? Are you naturally a
00:53fan of spicy food? Naturally, no. So a little background, if we went out and we had wings
00:59and you ordered medium, I'd say, no, let's get mild. So this is going to be a whole lot
01:03of rock and roll today. But here we are.
01:21Okay.
01:37This is easy for you.
01:40The first one. But I'm no hero. It gets challenging as it goes.
01:49So we're just a few weeks away from the big tournament, and some have labeled this year's
01:53U.S. men's national team as the golden generation. Does that add unnecessary pressure, or does
01:58it feel accurate given the talent level on this roster?
02:01Mostly pressure. A lot of teams don't live up to that hype. A lot of teams that get labeled
02:05their golden generation, it's hard because in that moment you have to win, you have to
02:09succeed. They've been named the golden generation. I think in the last year or so, people have
02:14sort of said maybe they're not, but they're super talented. This generation of players plays
02:20at bigger clubs than previous generations. And a lot more players are playing at those clubs.
02:25So now they just have to go figure out how to win something big.
02:28And then every tournament has a player who comes out of nowhere and becomes a household
02:33name. Is there anyone on this U.S. men's national team roster you think we should be paying more
02:37attention to going into it?
02:39Yeah, that's a great question. The ones that kind of jump off the page we already know about,
02:45Christian Pulisic, Weston McKinney, Tyler Adams. I think Chris Richards, which is weird to say
02:50because he plays at Crystal Palace every week in the Premier League. He's an out-and-out starter,
02:56captain of the team. I think he has another level because I think he's got a bit of devilment in
03:00him. He's a good defender, already has that sort of foundation. But now if you do it on the world
03:04stage,
03:05as you just asked, that can take you to new heights. Yeah, we're going for it.
03:17I just read Homegrown Hell, which I'm not looking forward to.
03:20You know, it's dangerous when you start reading ahead.
03:23I know, and it's hard not to. Lord.
03:26I understand. You received the news that you'd made the National Soccer Hall of Fame
03:31while live on air with NBC Sports. What's it like to get information like that when you're literally
03:37on TV? Strange, which I think that's why they wanted that shock and awe element. In that moment,
03:43you're like, sort of, there's this fast forward video of all of the things you've done and all
03:48the people that got you there. And you're on live TV, so you're trying to figure out how to formulate
03:52thoughts. Really cool and special. I do think that those type of moments are deserving of monumental
03:59sort of announcements. And it felt good to sort of be around my NBC family, share that with the,
04:04you know, people at home, too. So it's cool. How do you think the sport has changed or evolved the
04:08most comparing the games that you played in during your career versus the ones that you now watch and
04:13analyze as a broadcaster? You can't do the same thing over and over tactically for 100 years.
04:18Someone has to change it. And so the game changes slightly from the tactical element. You know,
04:24different formations get brought in. Pep Guardiola at Man City will change a position
04:29and create a clever name for it. And then everyone picks up on it. But ultimately,
04:33the game doesn't change. The game for me doesn't change. You have to be combative,
04:37you have to be tough. So ultimately, there are ideas around the game that I think change,
04:42but the crux of the game never changes. Yeah, I mean, because that's what's interesting.
04:46Like, I'll interview Steph Curry, you know, and like his style of play of like shooting threes,
04:49like just in front of the just in front of the half court logo, you know, like that can change
04:53things. Like now you'll see in AAU a lot of like Euro stepping, you know, but I think you're saying
04:57that football is just different from basketball or different from baseball, different from...
05:02Yeah, in a sense, right? Like if you were, if you were to look at basketball, for example,
05:05and Steph Curry sort of extending where players think they can shoot from or the Euro step,
05:09all these different little elements that come into the game. But if you were to ask someone like,
05:13how do you win a championship? Like if you asked LeBron James how to win a championship,
05:16it would have nothing to do with Euro steps or deep threes. It would, it would all come back down
05:21to the basics of the game. So that's sort of kind of how I analyze soccer as well.
05:29You enjoy this, huh? I do. It's a masochistic in that way.
05:33How did you get... How do you get to enjoying hot, hot stuff?
05:40You know what? I think it's like cardio. And then if you step away from it, I think it's hard
05:44to build up
05:45that tolerance again. So I think it's just in the rhythm of natural practice.
05:50But I'm not going to be doing this after this. Can you take me inside the psychology of a penalty
05:55shootout? You know, it remains one of the most dramatic high stakes situations in all of sports.
06:00I love it. These guys out in the outfield have run at this point, after 120 minutes, probably like
06:0815K. 17K. Like they're done. They're out on their feet. Mentally, you're exhausted. So like,
06:14let's get the game over with. And I, and I'm, I'm a fan of that. So I like the penalty
06:18shootouts.
06:19You can only ever be a hero. Like as a goalkeeper, you're not supposed to make any saves. The chips
06:24are
06:24stacked against you. So I always thought, this is great. If I make one save here, I'm a hero. And
06:29I think,
06:29I'm good enough to do that. If you can get two, you're probably going to win. So I sort of
06:33liked
06:34the, the mental challenge as well. And, and sort of that one-on-one is a long 50 yard walk
06:40up.
06:41You're staring at the shooter. You're kind of figuring out whether you know where he's going,
06:45or you're sort of hinting to him that, you know, it's just a mind game. I love it.
06:48And then finally, maybe something doesn't come to mind, but I am curious,
06:51does anything stand out as like the most bewildering intimidation tactic someone has ever tried in the
06:57moments leading up to a penalty kick? Not, not really. Cause here's the thing about penalty
07:02shootouts. The goalkeeper is always going to try and do something radical. The, the, the shooter
07:06just wants to be in rhythm because he's already, he wants to walk up, take the ball, put it down,
07:11back up, pick his spot and go. And he wants nothing to break that rhythm. So you want to sort
07:15of do
07:15things to make the referee get involved. You want, you want the referee to say, Hey, stand still.
07:20Cause you're, you're, it's like a, it's like a field goal kicker. The more they think about it,
07:24the worse it is for them. That makes sense. So the more time that I can take while they're
07:29standing over the penalty, the walls close in. Yeah, I think so.
07:35So up next is the smoke and drag. I bet it is. I absolutely bet it is.
07:42And this is a little bit of a step. Oh, okay. You never warned me about that.
07:48So your nickname at Everton's secretary of defense, it's one of the greatest nicknames in the history of
07:53sports. Do you remember any sort of welcome to Merseyside moment when you transferred there from
07:58Manchester United? Like it does seem to be like a very singular and intense football culture over
08:03there. Yeah. The city of Liverpool in and of itself stands, stands out. They're, they're fanatical.
08:08They're crazy. They think the world is against them. They think all of the, uh, all of England
08:12is against them. And they, they sort of have this rallying cry together, even though both sides
08:16sort of hate each other. That one moment, I don't remember like a single moment. I just remember
08:21coming from Manchester United, which is like the biggest club in the world to Everton and
08:25Everton just felt like it fit. I was a kid from Jersey and I was like, this is sort of
08:29like my
08:29club, my people. This is, they're a very demanding group of fans. But if you run your socks off and
08:36you fight like a dog, they love you. They're going to love you. For me, that was like a big
08:40turning
08:40point in my career. And then I, of course I spent 10 years there. What does it mean to have
08:44your own
08:45chant in the premier league? I feel like that, you know, getting on a video game is cool. And then
08:49being in the stadium and having people chant your name or, or something about you. Um, it's sort of
08:54the culture. We don't have that in America. It's special. And I always tell like, so individually,
08:59they chant your name, which is cool. But I think the fanaticism, like the game is important. Like
09:03I've been in games where our, our team travels or you see it with the weight teams, they travel,
09:08they spend a lot of money to go into Europe or certain places in the country and travel to see
09:12you.
09:12And you lay an egg and you stink and you get beat like four, nothing. And instead of leaving
09:17the shirts come off and the beers are flying and the chants are going, it sort of becomes a game
09:21in and of itself. And they're basically saying, we came here to be entertained. We're not being
09:25entertained. So it's our turn to take over. And so there's this like togetherness with the fans
09:30and the club and the players. So yeah, it's fun.
09:38In your autobiography, you have an interesting passage about how your coach had to convince
09:42you to play goalkeeper. You compared it to standing in the outfield and t-ball.
09:46What are the hallmarks of a good goalie prospect? Like it does seem like a position that requires
09:51some recruitment, some indoctrination, since not everyone gets a chance at it.
09:55I didn't want to play goalkeeper. I wanted to have fun and run around and slide and do all the
09:59things. Score goals. Score goals.
10:01I was a big kid. I was tall. In all my soccer, in my youth soccer pictures, I'm like this
10:06tall.
10:06And then my coach is the same height, you know? And so the tall kid goes and go.
10:11I was always on teams that were good. And my coaches sort of make deals with me, play,
10:17play in the goal in the first half, and then we'll probably be winning. So
10:19and come out in the second half and play a striker or something. So I did.
10:23And then the further along the way that you go, you just get this positive reinforcement and
10:30kids like that, you know, like, Hey, you did a great job today. Your teammates are high five.
10:33You're like, okay, well, I guess I like playing in goal. But I think from the attribute standpoint,
10:38as a, as a youngster, it's like tall, athletic, brave, you know, someone who sort of semi wants
10:45to be in goal. Like when my daughter started playing, they did this little rotational thing
10:49where they were like seven years old, where every kid had to play every position. She put the gloves
10:52on. It was her turn. And she started crying. I was like, oh, thank goodness. That's like, that's my
10:56girl. Just cry, get out of goal. Don't go anywhere near it. But I think that you have to have
11:00kids who are
11:01willing to want to be in goal. Otherwise, it's just disaster.
11:04All right, Tim, we've made it halfway through the gauntlet. And I think it's time for a little
11:07halftime heartburn relief. Bill, bring in the Tums Chewy Bites tropical fruit smoothie.
11:15Heartburn relief incoming.
11:19Thank you so much, Bill. You're welcome.
11:22You know, after all these years of being a chicken wing talk show host, I still to this day could
11:26use a
11:26little relief. You know what? I'm actually already starting to feel the heat. So I'm going to take
11:30a Tums now. I think I'll join you.
11:38I'm ready. Good.
11:45I'm going to hell. Here we go.
11:47That's where it gets serious. I think we drink milk for this one.
11:49Yeah. I'm going to join you at that party.
11:54If you could relive one game from your career as a semi-regular, reoccurring dream,
12:01which one would it be and why?
12:03I do. The Belgium game. Every night.
12:05Every night before I go to bed, I watch it. No.
12:07It was sort of my signature moment. But like, whether it was for me or not, for the fans,
12:13people come up to me and talk about Everton. And they talk about
12:16the United fan, Manchester United fan or whatever. But 99% of the time, people are talking about
12:23the Belgium game. And I think for an athlete in hindsight, it's like, it's cool. It's really cool
12:27to have a shining moment that people can remember. It's an imprinting culture.
12:32Yeah. And the stories are usually like, I was in a bar with my best friend and we were going
12:37crazy.
12:37And then, so they bring you back to this time and moment that's special. So that's the one.
12:41When you reflect on that game, do you feel like you were in any sort of flow state?
12:44Did the game unfold in front of you in a unique way? How, if at all, was it different from
12:49the
12:49other ones? It was different because I'm 47 years old, born in 1979. I came up as a child
12:58idolizing Michael Jordan, like every kid in America. And there was a point in time, early 90s,
13:04where Michael Jordan sat down for an interview and he had done something spectacular. They asked him
13:08about it. It was the first time in sports history that we heard about a player being in the zone.
13:12He coined that phrase. And so psychologists and everybody thought, what's the zone?
13:15What does that feel like? And I talk about that day, having, having heard about what this being
13:20in the zone was like, I remember sort of the smells and the sounds and we were playing Belgium,
13:24they were wearing red. And so I can, I can remember sort of blurry moments, but I was so locked
13:30in
13:31that I don't remember a lot of the game. Like I, like, I don't remember visually a lot of the
13:35game.
13:35Like I do other games. It was sort of going warp speed, but almost underwater, if that makes sense.
13:40And Neo picking bullets out of the air. Totally. And so for me, that was sort of how, how it
13:46was,
13:46the breakdown of it, but, uh, kind of cool to go back and watch.
13:54There's just something about that deep pepper flavor.
13:57Yeah. Don't like it. I'd imagine when you lose an elimination game that it has this sort of like
14:03emotional vacuum that takes over. How would you describe what a locker room looks and sounds like
14:08in that? After a big loss, elimination, quiet disbelief. You're dealing with winners who won
14:14another shot. So you're like, you're, you're conditioned to win. And then when you don't win,
14:19you're conditioned to go, all right, let's go again. And when you get eliminated or you're, you're going home,
14:23you're looking for that, but it's not coming. And so it's a sort of disbelief and you're,
14:27and it feels different than anything else you've, you've done. And it's, and it's,
14:31it's an epic failure. It sort of smacks you in the face. A bit like, a bit like Funky Nirvana.
14:36Jesus.
14:43So this is Da Bomb Beyond Insanity. Holy heck. All right.
14:52Wow.
14:58Jesus. I know.
15:02So you're fun. So while you battled Da Bomb, what I'm going to do is give you some U.S.
15:08Men's
15:08National Team superlatives. So I'll make a declarative statement. And then you tell me
15:12which player, past or present, best fits that description. If I can. Which player would you
15:17trust most to take a penalty with everything on the line? Landon Donovan. Wow, Jesus.
15:24My guy Landon. Yeah. Who's most likely to give an inspiring halftime speech during halftime?
15:29Michael Bradley. Who's the most natural leader? Carlos Bocanegra. He was captain for a while.
15:36Who had the best relationship with fans? Clint Dempsey, I think, because they loved him. He could do
15:41no wrong. Which player is most likely to show up to the charter with the most expensive luggage?
15:47Josie Altidore. Oh, wow. He needs tissues. Mm-hmm. Gone. Completely gone.
15:52At times like these. And then just be careful around the eyes. Yeah, no, that's fine.
15:58It was his hair. It was his hair. It was hot. Jesus. I'm sweating from everywhere.
16:03I know. It's amazing.
16:05You and I both. We got the right kind of haircut for this. Yeah. Yeah. What you were saying?
16:10I was just throwing superlatives at you. Yeah. You did body that. Um, I guess.
16:18Who's most likely to miss the team bus because they're still getting ready? Fixing their hair.
16:23DeMarcus Beasley. Not his hair. Just most likely. How are you feeling?
16:31Horrific, mate. Absolutely horrific. Whoa. We're good. We're good. The good news is,
16:38that was the worst one. I don't think so. You know, next to not a walk in the park,
16:44but you looked a formidable opponent in the face. That's wild. Yeah. But people like,
16:50people get like orders of that and go, yeah, put the bomb sauce on there. There's some people
16:53that need that. They need that to feel alive. That's wild. But we're almost to the finish line. Sure.
16:58If you're ready. This next one is a squash reaper X. Good gosh. All right. You doing it?
17:15Oh, I find with athletes, there's always like a little bit of a competitive streak
17:23that kicks in, you know, like a one more rep, one more wing.
17:27Damn. I lost that competitive streak. I think the bomb knocked out of me.
17:33Ah, Jesus. What's the code of honor regarding a keeper scoring a goal? You know,
17:38I've heard you describe your famous one against Bolton. You described it as cruel.
17:43Yeah, I was too nice. I mean, actually, it's terrible. Goalkeeper gets scored on.
17:47You've done something wrong. Like, that's terrible. I didn't want to celebrate that in his face. But
17:52like now that I'm like older and wiser and like more ornery, like if I scored again,
17:58my shirt's coming off. I'm like in the stands. You know, I tried to have a little bit of respect,
18:03but if it happened again, I wouldn't.
18:12All right.
18:13No, I've seen you do this. No way. I need more milk, by the way.
18:17Time. 20 seconds. I need more milk. No chance of putting it on there.
18:23Did you put it on there? You know what? We don't have to.
18:26I mean, I'm not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you wouldn't do it just for yourself.
18:30You know, I don't, I don't want to, I don't want to show, you know, I don't want to,
18:33I feel like I'm showing off. Yeah, yeah, don't show off. All right, this is last guy. Last guy.
18:40And with that, Tim Howard, the wings of death are behind us. Oh.
18:45You have conquered the Hot Ones Gauntlet. And I want to close things out. Wow.
18:50With some rapid fire predictions for the tournament coming up in the next few weeks.
18:56I know your brain, your mouth are on fire. All I heard was fire.
18:59That's all I heard. Not going to be easy with the heat of a thousand sun coursing through you. Wow.
19:04Which team is your pick for a Cinderella story? I think one of the really small,
19:09and I don't know which one, one of the really small nations, because the tournament's expanded now.
19:13So you're going to get teams who had never been in a tournament, who should probably never be
19:18anywhere near it, but they're going to be in it. And you're probably going to get an upset.
19:21I don't know if they'll get out of the first round, maybe, but they'll get an upset.
19:25A shock the world moment. Yeah. And if they do that,
19:27and like they get out of the group as like the third place team,
19:30that's like one of the biggest things in the footballing. So like, like Congo,
19:34maybe like you look at a Congo and think they could be one of the teams.
19:38Which host city do you imagine will have the most raucous game environment?
19:41I still think New York. New York, New York just brings,
19:44brings the world to them always. And finally,
19:47who do you think is going to be hoisting that trophy on July 19th?
19:52I think it's in Spain. That's my champion.
19:54And there it is. Tim Howard taking on the wings of death, living to tell the tale.
19:59Let's go. Before we roll out the red carpet,
20:01a very special shout out to Tums for making this all possible. And with that said, Tim Howard,
20:07this camera, this camera, this camera, let the people know what you have going on in your life.
20:10What do I have going on? Everything. NBC Sports,
20:13Premier League, uh, unfiltered soccer podcast with Landon Donovan.
20:16We are crushing it. All things soccer. Just being dad to two crazy college kids.
20:21And, uh, that's it. It's good. Life is good.
20:26Amazing. Wow.
20:32My God. Great job. Great job. Great job.
20:36It wasn't fun. It was okay.
20:40Horrific, mate. Absolutely horrific.
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