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00:14:34I've never seen such a collection of confederate uniforms and dresses.
00:14:38Right. It's wonderful.
00:14:41The members of our Garden Club select from our youth a king and queen of pilgrimage.
00:14:46These were actually worn by queens of pilgrimage over the years,
00:14:49so they're just a beautiful assortment.
00:14:51For many years, the young men wore the confederate uniform,
00:14:54and there's been a move against...
00:14:56Let me see how I can say this right.
00:15:03How do I say this?
00:15:04For many years, the young men wore the costume or the...
00:15:08I'm sorry, wore the uniform of their ancestors, the confederate uniform.
00:15:12There's been a movement in the past three or four years to kind of reduce the...
00:15:17I'm going to get in trouble here.
00:15:22There's been a movement within the past five years to take away...
00:15:26No.
00:15:28There's been a movement for no men to go away from...
00:15:37There's the one thing, though, that I wanted to take to my grave, but I'm out of it.
00:15:41The city knows it, and I was like, ooh.
00:15:42I'm the first African-American woman in this city to become a member of a garden club.
00:15:52Garden clubs in this town are slaps in the face of the African-American community.
00:15:57They put on the hoop skirts, and they sashay around.
00:16:00I was working for Monmouth Historic Inn, so I'm finishing up a tour on a particular afternoon,
00:16:06and I say to my guests, oh, and that is an original slave dwelling.
00:16:12And then I started to talk about the enslaved woman, Dicey, and how she loved her tobacco.
00:16:18Just telling the story.
00:16:20Then they called me in, and they said, stick to the script.
00:16:27Stick to the script.
00:16:30Today I wrote my own script.
00:16:33This is my own slave dwelling.
00:16:37And this slave dwelling sits on the grounds of Old Concord.
00:16:40The big house burned in 1901.
00:16:44I know that oftentimes people come to Natchez to see our big, beautiful homes,
00:16:50but you come here to see the kitchen.
00:16:54You come here to see the quarters.
00:16:57You come in here to see my mother's collection of china from the A&P grocery store, huh?
00:17:05There is no old Sev and old Paris and that sort of thing in here.
00:17:09The enslaved worked in here, and they slept above.
00:17:13Behind the big house is the rest of the story.
00:17:23Tourism is a lifeline to the city, but that's weighing 30% in seven years or so.
00:17:29It turns out that millennials and Generation Z folks, them 20-something, 37-year-olds,
00:17:35they're not as interested in the antebellum stories.
00:17:38I call them the gone with the wind stories that are being told here as the baby boomers are.
00:17:43And Natchez has been really reluctant to expand the narrative, even in the face of Lost Revenant.
00:17:50Okay.
00:17:51Which is where I come in.
00:17:52I'm about to violate some Southern pride narratives with truths and facts.
00:17:59So hold your hat on.
00:18:02So when you're looking at these houses, you're going through Natchez, understand that they were built by slaves.
00:18:08And that's the piece of the history that you don't get in the antebellum houses.
00:18:12They use the word servant or help, you know, but these are slaves.
00:18:19Okay, this was Dr. Duncan's servant.
00:18:23That was their favorite servant.
00:18:25He became the overseer of this house.
00:18:27They taught him to read and write.
00:18:29Those are his actual writings right here.
00:18:32And back then it was against the law.
00:18:35That's what I wanted to mention.
00:18:37So Dr. Duncan, he was good to his people.
00:18:43Good afternoon.
00:18:44This is Auburn.
00:18:45This is Gwen.
00:18:46Yeah, this will be our last day to stay open.
00:18:51I've been a member here 40 years.
00:18:53For years, we made really, really, you know, good and we could pay our bills.
00:18:59But when you get to where you can't pay your bills, duh.
00:19:05We're all going to miss doing this, but it's just gotten to the point where we're all, I hate to
00:19:10say this, we're getting all too old.
00:19:14I guess he's not politically correct anymore.
00:19:17I'm guessing.
00:19:19What can you say?
00:19:21You know, older people sometimes wants it to remain the same.
00:19:26But regardless of what you want, you know, you can't live in the past.
00:19:32This is it.
00:19:33This is it.
00:19:34This is it.
00:19:34It's tragic.
00:19:35I hope somebody keeps it open to the public so that we can see the history.
00:19:40Instead of rewriting history, we continue the history.
00:19:48From the back, where are we from?
00:19:51We're on Fox Springs.
00:19:53This is Hamburg, Arkansas.
00:19:55Arkansas, Arkansas.
00:19:56I think we're all Arkansas.
00:19:57I think it's all Arkansas.
00:19:58Oh!
00:19:59Woo!
00:20:00Sweet!
00:20:03Hey!
00:20:07Wonderful, wonderful.
00:20:08I ain't got no damn Yankees on here.
00:20:10This is going to be a good tour.
00:20:14Hey, how did they like their money?
00:20:16Oh, I'm going to tell you, baby.
00:20:18When I get through with you, you're going to be able to buy a van and be my competition.
00:20:21There you go.
00:20:22Yes, sir.
00:20:23And so, if I forget something, well, just ask away.
00:20:26By 1815, the textile mills in Manchester, England, are producing 90% of the cloth for
00:20:33the entire continent.
00:20:34I said the continent of Europe.
00:20:36And the number one raw material for the cloth is?
00:20:39Cotton.
00:20:40Grown in the southern states.
00:20:42The demand for cotton becomes insatiable.
00:20:45Newspaper heads in Natchez say buy more slaves to grow more cotton to buy more slaves to grow
00:20:50more cotton.
00:20:52And the cotton kingdom, my dear friends, is born.
00:21:01First of all, I want to thank you for coming to Melrose.
00:21:04My name is Barney and I'll be your tour guide.
00:21:10Any time you're open for public tours, you're going to have the whole world come in.
00:21:15And they're all going to have their own education and their own experiences and their own expectations.
00:21:21We can never be everything to everybody.
00:21:25I mean, I will speak as a southerner and as a Mississippian.
00:21:29Natchez is a complicated little town.
00:21:34Because of tourism, Natchez swallowed a master narrative about the Old South.
00:21:40We all want to be rich.
00:21:42And we want to be princesses and live in palaces.
00:21:45If it's a fairy tale, that's one thing.
00:21:48But if it's what you then decide is truth, then that can be much more dangerous.
00:22:00Hello.
00:22:02Hello.
00:22:03Beautiful.
00:22:07Oh, I got her screwed.
00:22:10That was it.
00:22:13The first time I put this dress on, as an older woman, I probably felt the most beautiful
00:22:19and ladylike that I've ever felt in my life.
00:22:24Hello.
00:22:26You look beautiful.
00:22:28It changes the way people look at me and it changes the way, you know, I feel about myself.
00:22:36I grew up always knowing that I was adopted.
00:22:39I didn't know any specifics because it was a very taboo subject back then.
00:22:44So I've struggled with a lot of things about myself.
00:22:54So when I put on this dress, I felt like I belonged, like I did fit in.
00:23:01You know, that was a very tall piece of art.
00:23:22That was true.
00:23:30It was good to do.
00:23:31You want some real love, you've got some great joy, you've got some great joy, you've
00:23:31because let me tell you, look around.
00:23:34We worked our butts off for what you see for seven generations
00:23:38and still working them off to keep it above water.
00:23:43Very few men can say that all their life,
00:23:47their business has been their hobby and all of it's been their business.
00:23:53I had to wear my mic clean. My voice was going down, y'all.
00:23:56At our age, we're the old guard now.
00:23:58Of course, I'm only 35.
00:24:01It's our damn houses that wear your butt out mentally, physically, financially.
00:24:06See, we're doing our regular tour day.
00:24:11Then on top of that, our private tours,
00:24:15then our teas and dinners and things of that nature.
00:24:18Thank y'all for coming.
00:24:19Yes, thank you for having a beautiful day.
00:24:22We live in another world with my life.
00:24:26Everything I do has been better than Choctaw.
00:24:30It's a continuous workload.
00:24:37We are all crazy.
00:24:39I think it's the humidity that's affected our brain.
00:24:43We better not stay too long.
00:24:45Yeah.
00:24:46Yeah.
00:25:03David Gardner at Choctaw.
00:25:06They throw me good pieces of business from time to time.
00:25:11You know, every effort is made to be civil and sweet.
00:25:16But my interactions with the Garden Club folks are surface level.
00:25:21Okay.
00:25:22Okay.
00:25:22Okay.
00:25:25All right.
00:25:26Thank you, my friends.
00:25:29I don't live in Natchez.
00:25:32Natchez is in Adams County, 32 miles from where I live in Jefferson County.
00:25:39All right, Doc.
00:25:40What's happening?
00:25:40You still there?
00:25:43Yes, sir.
00:25:43It's been a long time, ain't it?
00:25:47Yes, sir.
00:25:47So, Jesus, he say, who do men say that I, the son of man, am?
00:25:54Because he knew who he was.
00:25:57Yes, sir.
00:25:58Listen, let me help you out with a little history.
00:26:00You know, I'm a big time history buff.
00:26:03One of the masters' main tactics was to get us to hate one another.
00:26:09The light-skinned slave better than the dark-skinned slave.
00:26:12The house slave better than the field slave.
00:26:14The old better than the young.
00:26:16The female better than the male.
00:26:18And resentments would arise.
00:26:20But it really wasn't about hating one another.
00:26:23It was about hating ourselves.
00:26:25See, it don't matter what the world call Christ.
00:26:29In fact, let me help you.
00:26:30It don't matter what they call you.
00:26:32Huh?
00:26:34And you can't let other people's opinion determine your outlook on who you are.
00:26:40Huh?
00:26:44Something got a hold of me.
00:27:06I'm sorry.
00:27:08I'm sorry.
00:27:09I'm sorry.
00:27:11I'm sorry.
00:27:12I'm sorry.
00:27:13I'm sorry.
00:27:13I'm sorry.
00:27:13I'm sorry.
00:27:14I'm sorry.
00:27:15I'm sorry.
00:27:16I'm sorry.
00:27:17I'm sorry.
00:27:18I'm sorry.
00:27:18I'm sorry.
00:27:21I know that my Jesus
00:27:24I know my Savior will fix it
00:27:32After a while
00:27:35Y'all give a little half praise
00:27:38Are you ready?
00:27:55Did y'all enjoy your tour?
00:27:56We did
00:27:57Thank you so much for coming
00:27:58Thank you
00:28:03As I said before, I grew up in a very small town
00:28:08At the time that I met my husband
00:28:11He was much older than me
00:28:14And was in the oil and gas business
00:28:17When we married, we visited Natchez very, very often
00:28:20And was looking for a place
00:28:22And one of the ladies from the garden club
00:28:25A past president
00:28:26Invited me to join the pilgrimage garden club
00:28:31So we bought the condo here in Natchez
00:28:3517 years we've been married
00:28:37And, you know, we're having some really hard times
00:28:41But neither one of us have drawn a line
00:28:45In the sand
00:28:53We'll see what happens
00:29:08Franklin, Arnfield, and Ballard
00:29:10They could buy a slave in Virginia for $600
00:29:13And sell the same slave in Mississippi for $2,000
00:29:17They could almost triple their money
00:29:19So the cheapest way and the most common way
00:29:21To get slaves in the Deep South
00:29:23Was to make them walk
00:29:24One million and one half million people walk
00:29:28800 plus miles barefoot and in chains
00:29:30Into the cotton fields and the sugar cane plantations
00:29:34At Deep South
00:29:35And it's going to take nine weeks
00:29:37The second largest domestic slave market
00:29:40In the history of America
00:29:41Was right here in Natchez
00:29:43And it was called the Forks of the Road
00:29:49We're right in the middle of it now
00:29:55And this is the market itself
00:29:59Please, guys, do not allow the size of this place
00:30:02To betray the magnitude of what happened here
00:30:04The total number is 750,000
00:30:08That's three quarters of a million human beings
00:30:11Men and women, boys and girls
00:30:13Who are bought and sold at this very site
00:30:15On their way to survive labor
00:30:17Until they die
00:30:20The slaves came here bound at five points
00:30:23Both ankles
00:30:24Both wrists
00:30:25And around their necks
00:30:26And then a chain between us
00:30:28And one going back 50 people deep
00:30:31The neck collars and ankle braces
00:30:33Are riveted on by a blacksmith
00:30:36By the time the slaves get to Natchez
00:30:38This iron is seasoned with flesh
00:30:40And with blood
00:30:42And people ask, you know
00:30:43Why would you harm a product you're trying to sell?
00:30:45Well, how do you control 6,000 to 10,000 people for 30 years?
00:30:49You control them with violence and fear
00:30:53This is a park service site
00:30:55They already started buying properties around it
00:30:58To make this the premier slave market museum in the country
00:31:02They're trying to buy these businesses
00:31:04But, you know, the people are going to try to hold out for more money
00:31:10From this point here
00:31:11Every plot of land that you can see with your eyes
00:31:14All of these are slave trading companies
00:31:17Franklin, Armfield, and Ballard's southern office
00:31:19Where their rear muffler shop is across the street
00:31:29Hello, Natchez Exhaust
00:31:31Okay, that'd be cool
00:31:33All right, Barbara, thank you, baby
00:31:35I'm Gene Williams
00:31:37I own Natchez Exhaust
00:31:38Across the street from the slave market
00:31:42The state park
00:31:43They made some offers on our property
00:31:45And it was a joke
00:31:50I have been working with the forks of the road for 18 years now
00:31:57Land acquisition is a slow and complicated process
00:32:00And so the challenge is always to find sellers who are willing
00:32:05And to have an appraised market value
00:32:09Which is what we can pay
00:32:10That meets their expectations
00:32:13Well, I mean, I've made a living here
00:32:15All my adult life
00:32:16You can't just up and move a business
00:32:19You know, you've got to rebuild your business again
00:32:22And at 64, I don't feel like rebuilding anything
00:32:26You know
00:32:28They're going here and trying to buy me out for this much money
00:32:32And then they'll spend this much money
00:32:35Redoing everything that's here
00:32:39And I told the guys
00:32:40I said, what I look like
00:32:41Some poor old dumb country guy
00:32:43With my bib overalls on
00:32:44And chew tobacco running down my lip
00:32:46Going, well, yeah, I'll take that far
00:32:47If you just give me that
00:32:49And I'm going, no, I don't want that
00:32:51It'll never happen
00:32:55The National Park Service is in the forever business
00:32:58And every parcel
00:32:59Has its own stories and its own complications
00:33:04Across the road is where Franklin, Armfield, and Ballard were located
00:33:10And Franklin and Armfield were the largest slave traders in the United States
00:33:15They became millionaires off of human trafficking
00:33:20I don't know what that force of the road is supposed to prove
00:33:22I think it's just like everything else they say
00:33:24They're promoting memory of something that was bad
00:33:27It's over and done with
00:33:29And I hate it
00:33:30I wasn't here
00:33:31None of us were here
00:33:32No
00:33:34Had I been here, I wouldn't have done it
00:33:36Just have to keep reminding people
00:33:38Of what happened
00:33:40A hundred years ago
00:33:41And if it's a bad, bad thought
00:33:43Don't remind them of it
00:33:46If you're going to take down all the statues
00:33:48Take down all the statues
00:33:49If you're going to go build something there
00:33:51To promote what they're taking the statues down about
00:33:52Why would they do that?
00:33:54That's kind of what my thoughts about it
00:33:56I'm not trying to be a racist
00:33:58I'm not trying to be anything like that
00:33:59I'm just saying
00:34:01I thought about maybe just to open up my own force of the road over here
00:34:06It'd be different than that
00:34:12I hope I'm around
00:34:13When they finish the Forks of the Road project
00:34:16When it's developed
00:34:17Because man
00:34:19That's going to be
00:34:20That's going to be mind-boggling
00:34:24That land literally has our blood in it
00:34:27Literally
00:34:29Literally has our blood in it
00:34:32And if it were not for
00:34:34Sir Boxley
00:34:36That story may still be lost to time
00:34:41The enslaved ancestors here
00:34:43And I asked the question
00:34:46Who is going to tell their story?
00:34:50And I said I would
00:34:53And from that time on
00:34:55I'm waging a protracted struggle
00:34:58To bring the Forks of the Road from Forgotten
00:35:02To a National Park Service Park
00:35:06From here on out
00:35:07For as long as your generation
00:35:09Your generation's generation
00:35:10Exist
00:35:11They're going to have to tell our story here
00:35:15Boxley fought for that
00:35:17He fought hard for that
00:35:19And he has been working with politicians
00:35:23He has worked with non-profit groups
00:35:25Tirelessly for more than 30 years
00:35:28To call attention to this forgotten site
00:35:33However, Natchez City itself
00:35:36Was an enslavement selling market
00:35:39Up until the Franklin and Armfield people
00:35:41Brought in enslaved persons with cholera
00:35:44That led to banning the selling and enslaved Africans
00:35:49Within the city limits
00:35:52So there were enslaved persons sold all over the whole city
00:35:58This is my spot, so to speak
00:36:01And it's been a long time
00:36:03That I've sat here
00:36:05Avenging the ancestors
00:36:09I'm a Christian woman
00:36:11And I see him as a biblical prophet
00:36:15Because that's what the prophets did
00:36:18They were all about
00:36:20Pointing out to the status quo
00:36:22That they were not fulfilling their mission of justice
00:36:33Slaves came here bound at five points
00:36:35Both wrists, both ankles, and around their neck
00:36:38Talking about the cussing preacher?
00:36:41No, I haven't done
00:36:43I know him
00:36:44He's a good guy
00:36:45He seems to be doing well with this
00:36:49They would have come in columns of two
00:36:50You can hear him hollering over here
00:36:52A lot of folks come there
00:36:53Instead of stand and listen to no rev story
00:37:00So there's a common misconception
00:37:03That everybody white in the South had a slave
00:37:05Only 5% of Southerners ever owned slaves
00:37:09Now everybody white in America
00:37:11Benefited from the institution of slavery then and today
00:37:15America's status is the richest nation on earth
00:37:18The first big pot of money
00:37:20That existed on this continent
00:37:23Or in America
00:37:24Was cotton
00:37:25And cotton can't exist without
00:37:29Hmm?
00:37:30Say it
00:37:32Slaves
00:37:32Slaves
00:37:33So it is right, fair, true, just, equitable
00:37:35To say that America's wealth
00:37:37Was built upon the backs of the enslaved
00:37:49And my grandma, she paid cotton
00:37:51Not like as a slave
00:37:52But it was like her job
00:37:53When she was younger
00:37:55It was like the old days
00:37:56So she would like
00:37:57Pay cotton
00:37:59On the cotton
00:38:00Like for money
00:38:02And my great-grandma
00:38:03She had like a brother
00:38:04And her brother got killed
00:38:06Cause it was like, you know
00:38:08It was like a really racist back then
00:38:10And they thought he was talking to like this white lady
00:38:12And they hung down
00:38:13And they don't know where his body is
00:38:15At all
00:38:17I know
00:38:17This is crazy
00:38:19My grandma was fine
00:38:21My grandma
00:38:21Well, hey, my grandma was fine
00:38:22Y'all need to just
00:38:23Y'all should start working
00:38:24Across the road
00:38:26I'm like
00:38:27I'm like
00:38:27A hundred years ago
00:38:28Oh
00:38:47I always loved the antebellum homes
00:38:50Cause as a matter of fact
00:38:52My mother spent some time working in one of the antebellum homes
00:38:57She worked there for more than 30 years
00:39:00And I would go to work with her
00:39:02And I thought, wow, you know
00:39:05I'd like to own one of these one day
00:39:08And then several years ago
00:39:10We were driving around
00:39:13And I saw the top of the columns here
00:39:16You couldn't see anything else
00:39:18Because it was just covered in vines
00:39:20And we crept in
00:39:22And I thought, oh my God
00:39:23And I called my husband
00:39:25Right away
00:39:25I said, oh, Gregory
00:39:27You should see this place
00:39:28We could bless a bride
00:39:30Plantation-style weddings
00:39:31Really big
00:39:33And he says, we aren't blessing anybody
00:39:35Get in the car and come home
00:39:39You know, when we bought the place
00:39:41I was so proud
00:39:42And then I start to ask questions
00:39:46About the property
00:39:47We find then
00:39:49That it is a slave dwelling
00:39:52And then we find an inventory
00:39:54Of 124 enslaved African-American men
00:39:57Women and children
00:39:59I didn't know what to do with that
00:40:01When I found that it was a slave dwelling
00:40:03I didn't know how to handle that
00:40:06Because I'd gotten a lot of pushback
00:40:07From my people
00:40:10My grandfather
00:40:11He was born in slavery
00:40:14He didn't talk about it
00:40:16And I'd ask him even
00:40:18Papa, what was your dad's name?
00:40:20Totally embarrassed
00:40:22The gentleman was
00:40:22And he'd say
00:40:23Oh, Master Jones, gal
00:40:25Now get away from here
00:40:29Here I was
00:40:31Living in history
00:40:32And so my emotions
00:40:35Are all over the place
00:40:37I was in tears
00:40:39I was sitting there crying
00:40:41I go to Walmart
00:40:42And there's this colorful gentleman
00:40:45At Walmart
00:40:45And he says
00:40:46I heard what you were doing
00:40:48It was Sir Boxley
00:40:51Boxley says to me
00:40:53These buildings
00:40:53Are worthy of preservation
00:40:58Still people don't understand it
00:41:00Until they come
00:41:27You know, and some people
00:41:28Would be offended with this
00:41:29But this just smells like home to me
00:41:31I love it
00:41:32Me too
00:41:42Welcome to the Tiger Den
00:41:45It's homecoming
00:41:48We're in the same place
00:41:57Five, four, three, two, one
00:42:01Go!
00:42:15It's a mad ass
00:42:16Y'all means all
00:42:18It's a fundraiser
00:42:19For mental health
00:42:21The gay society
00:42:22Puts it off
00:42:24If the gay population
00:42:26That's just how we fold
00:42:28Half the house
00:42:29We call them a gay guy
00:42:32We're the only ones
00:42:33Got the money in the chains
00:42:37They do the show
00:42:38At the auditorium
00:42:39We donate the beat party
00:42:41On Friday
00:42:42I found this
00:42:45So I've got a bedrock
00:42:47Full of drag queens
00:42:48I want a version of you
00:42:50To take with me
00:42:51If you have handles
00:42:52I put you in the overhead bin
00:42:54Which is so cute
00:43:03I will tell you
00:43:05What causes
00:43:06Calibites to kill themselves
00:43:08And you ought to humble yourself
00:43:10Instead of being proud
00:43:12Of your perversion
00:43:15Welcome ladies and gentlemen
00:43:17How are y'all doing this evening
00:43:21I thank y'all so much
00:43:22For supporting
00:43:23The LGBTQ plus community
00:43:25We're here to have a good time
00:43:27We're here to raise a lot of money
00:43:28For y'all means all
00:43:29Natchez
00:43:30Ladies and gentlemen
00:43:30Choctaw Hall
00:43:31Is one of our sponsors
00:43:33This evening
00:43:33First of all
00:43:34You two kids
00:43:35If you have not been
00:43:36To see this
00:43:38Oh my god
00:43:38Stand up
00:43:39I don't know how long
00:43:41It takes you to run up
00:43:43That platform
00:43:44To get a camp
00:43:44That is a mountain
00:43:46Worth climbing right there
00:43:47I swear
00:43:59I'm not going to tell you
00:44:01How things are God
00:44:02If you made me a man
00:44:04Then I'm a man
00:44:05And if you made me a woman
00:44:06I'm a woman
00:44:15I love to receive
00:44:17I love the beautiful poems
00:44:19The beautiful dress
00:44:20And I love pilgrimage
00:44:25I do miss it
00:44:26But I have gone through
00:44:29A recent divorce
00:44:31We had a prenup
00:44:33I'm at a financial point
00:44:35Where I need to make a living
00:44:37Wouldn't all fit on the truck
00:44:39Everything that would go on the truck
00:44:42Is there
00:44:43But I have one more trip
00:44:47I'm downsizing my life
00:44:50You know
00:44:51I don't have to have
00:44:51A lake house
00:44:52And a boat
00:44:53And what I do have to have
00:44:56Is peace
00:45:12I'm going to sort
00:45:13Get through
00:45:14And keep the things
00:45:15That really are special to me
00:45:17And then the things
00:45:18That are not
00:45:20I'm just going to
00:45:21Sell them at Cress
00:45:23It's a consignment store
00:45:26I'll just turn it into cash
00:45:30Some days I do really well
00:45:32Some days not
00:45:34But I'm going to be alright
00:45:45By the time the war starts
00:45:47Half of Natchez
00:45:47Already Union
00:45:48A little blue speck
00:45:50And a sea of red today
00:45:51By 1862
00:45:52The secessionists here
00:45:53Have to make a choice
00:45:54My southern pride
00:45:55Or my million dollar bank account
00:45:57I'm going to give you five seconds
00:45:58To figure that one out
00:45:59Ray Charles can see
00:46:00Who's going to win the war
00:46:01Stevie Wonder wouldn't wonder
00:46:03Who's going to win the war
00:46:04One more time in war
00:46:06Poor people die
00:46:07So rich people can stay rich
00:46:101865
00:46:10The Civil War ends
00:46:11That ushers us
00:46:12Into a period called
00:46:13Reconstruction
00:46:14During Reconstruction
00:46:15Natchez
00:46:16I told you
00:46:16It was peculiar
00:46:19Natchez
00:46:19Get a black mayor
00:46:20A black sheriff
00:46:21A black tax assessor
00:46:22A black tenancy clerk
00:46:23A hire on rebels
00:46:24First black man
00:46:25In the U.S. Senate
00:46:25Natchez
00:46:26John R. Lynch
00:46:27First black man
00:46:28In the U.S. House
00:46:28Representatives
00:46:29Natchez
00:46:29J.B. Banks
00:46:30First black physician
00:46:32Natchez
00:46:33Schools
00:46:33Haberdasheries
00:46:34Grocery stores
00:46:34Apothecaries
00:46:35Blacks in a shop
00:46:36Lawyers
00:46:36Banks
00:46:37And doctors
00:46:37Pump your brakes
00:46:39Rev
00:46:39Slow down
00:46:42How you move
00:46:43From being a slave
00:46:44To having economic
00:46:45And political power
00:46:46In the richest city
00:46:47In the world
00:46:47Now that does not happen
00:46:49Anywhere else in the south
00:46:50Like it does in Natchez
00:46:51Upper mobility
00:46:52For newly freed slaves
00:46:53Throughout the south
00:46:54Is evident
00:46:54But a mayor
00:46:55A congressman
00:46:56A sheriff
00:46:57Hell no
00:46:57Hell no I say
00:47:00I'm going to require
00:47:00A bit of brutal honesty
00:47:01From you
00:47:02For just a moment
00:47:04Who do you think
00:47:05Wants what's happening
00:47:06In Natchez
00:47:07To spread throughout
00:47:08The rest of the country
00:47:10Nobody
00:47:11Nobody
00:47:11If it happened today
00:47:13Who do you think
00:47:14Would want it to spread
00:47:15And I fear the answer
00:47:17Would be the same
00:47:18And so
00:47:19In the aristocracy
00:47:20They have to stop it
00:47:32You come here
00:47:33And you get away
00:47:34From the current year
00:47:36Current events
00:47:37You go back
00:47:38I feel like
00:47:39I have stepped
00:47:39Out of
00:47:41The current mess
00:47:42And muddle
00:47:42And I have gone back
00:47:44In this lovely way
00:47:45To a lovely world
00:47:47To
00:47:47And I can
00:47:48Pick and choose
00:47:49What I want to think about
00:47:50That's right
00:47:51And nowhere
00:47:52Nowhere in America
00:47:53Is everything beautiful
00:47:56I mean you think
00:47:58About the lives
00:47:58We've learned about here
00:47:59Although they lived
00:48:00In amazing beauty
00:48:02Their lives were turned
00:48:03Upside down
00:48:04By current events
00:48:05We have the luxury
00:48:06Of removing ourselves
00:48:07From our
00:48:09Unsightly current events
00:48:10And going back
00:48:11And enjoying
00:48:12Just the beauty
00:48:13Of their time
00:48:14Cheers
00:48:16Cheers
00:48:23The history
00:48:24That they learned
00:48:25And the history
00:48:26That they believe
00:48:27Is now being
00:48:29Yanked out
00:48:30From under them
00:48:32That's how people
00:48:33Experience it
00:48:35This change
00:48:36That they feel
00:48:37Is being forced
00:48:38On them
00:48:41And it's hard work
00:48:42To come to a point
00:48:44Where you're able
00:48:44To say
00:48:45The history
00:48:46I learned
00:48:46Was a mythological
00:48:49Construct
00:48:49That was used
00:48:50To sell tickets
00:49:02Welcome to the
00:49:03Family dining room
00:49:04Here at
00:49:05Magnolia Hall
00:49:06There would have been
00:49:07Twelve bells in the house
00:49:08One for each room
00:49:09Of the house
00:49:10A bell for what?
00:49:11Oh I'm sorry
00:49:11To call servants
00:49:12Call the servants
00:49:13Yes sorry about that
00:49:14Yes indeed
00:49:21I think that would sound
00:49:22Better than the
00:49:23Downton Abbey chime
00:49:24That they had
00:49:25That's the tea closet
00:49:26At the time
00:49:27It would have been locked
00:49:28Because y'all
00:49:29Tea and sugar
00:49:31Were so expensive
00:49:32During that time
00:49:33That you couldn't afford
00:49:35For even a little bit
00:49:36Of it to get pilfered
00:49:37By the servants
00:49:38So the lady of the house
00:49:39Would have worn that key
00:49:40Around her neck
00:49:41As I do today
00:49:43Do you know what a punkah is?
00:49:45Some of the homes here
00:49:46Have the punkah
00:49:47To shoo away the flies
00:49:49These originated in India
00:49:51So a servant
00:49:52Would have stood
00:49:52On one side of the room
00:49:53And pulled on the rope
00:49:55The punkah goes back and forth
00:49:57It would number one
00:49:58Cool the gas
00:49:58But it was also
00:50:00To keep the flies
00:50:01And keep the air fanned
00:50:04Ladies and gentlemen
00:50:05This punkah fan
00:50:06Mary McMurrin wrote this
00:50:08And she says
00:50:09You know when the slave
00:50:10Is doing it right?
00:50:11When they don't blow
00:50:12The candles out
00:50:14That's the trick
00:50:15This was a job
00:50:16And his job title
00:50:17Was called
00:50:17The punkah wallah
00:50:20Punkah's fan
00:50:21Wallah's work
00:50:22Operate
00:50:23Punkah wallah
00:50:24That was the name
00:50:24Of the job
00:50:25It was a child
00:50:27How do we know it?
00:50:28She wrote it
00:50:30Think about this
00:50:31Why a child?
00:50:33Why a child?
00:50:34First of all
00:50:35It's a slave
00:50:35Alright
00:50:36It's a child
00:50:38Small
00:50:39Look at that corner
00:50:39Inconspicuous
00:50:40Out the way
00:50:42Illiterate
00:50:42Can't read or write
00:50:44Not a person
00:50:46Harmless
00:50:48Newsflash
00:50:49Ladies and gentlemen
00:50:50I ain't never met
00:50:50A harmless child
00:50:51In my life
00:50:52I don't care
00:50:53If he is a slave
00:50:54He's a child
00:50:55Children are
00:50:56Intuitively inquisitive
00:50:59We're loose
00:50:59At dinner
00:51:00Things are coming out
00:51:02This child
00:51:03Can't read or write
00:51:03But words have meanings
00:51:04That cause an action
00:51:05I repeat
00:51:06Words have meanings
00:51:07That cause an action
00:51:08That's how children learn
00:51:09They're products
00:51:09Of not only their environment
00:51:10But the culture
00:51:11And their language
00:51:11Of their environment
00:51:12That's how they learn
00:51:13This kid is no different
00:51:15He's a slave
00:51:16But he's no different
00:51:18What do you think
00:51:18Is gonna happen
00:51:19When that kid
00:51:19Goes back to the quarters
00:51:20At night
00:51:22Man this kid
00:51:23Man y'all not gonna
00:51:24Believe what happened
00:51:24Last night
00:51:26Information is power
00:51:28Information is power
00:51:29Information is power
00:51:31Information is power
00:51:32Information is power
00:51:32Information is power
00:51:35Especially to a race
00:51:35Of people that can't
00:51:36Read or write
00:51:37And it's against the law
00:51:37To teach them
00:51:39It's power
00:51:41How do I know this
00:51:42Why is this park ranger
00:51:43Saying all this
00:51:44Simple
00:51:44Read John Roy Lynch
00:51:47What was John Roy Lynch
00:51:49Job as a child
00:51:50As a slave
00:51:51What was John Roy Lynch
00:51:52Job
00:51:52He was at a house
00:51:54Called Dunleap
00:51:55On Homer Chitter
00:51:56What did John Roy Lynch
00:51:58Do
00:51:58He was a punk
00:52:08Master General
00:52:08During the war
00:52:09In Natchez
00:52:09What did John Lynch
00:52:11Do
00:52:11He became a United States
00:52:12Congressman
00:52:13Legislate out of
00:52:14Reconstruction
00:52:14What did John Lynch
00:52:16Do
00:52:16He later left
00:52:17Reconstruction
00:52:18Left politics
00:52:19Became an attorney
00:52:19Moved to Chicago
00:52:20And practiced law
00:52:21For 38 years
00:52:22In Chicago
00:52:22What was his job
00:52:24As a child
00:52:27A punkawalla
00:52:28A slave punkawalla
00:52:30Why
00:52:31Jesus
00:52:46One of our goals
00:52:48Is to try to raise the bar
00:52:50To talk about slavery
00:52:52As a part of every tour
00:52:54And I think that
00:52:55Some of the other museum houses
00:52:57In town
00:52:57Move in that direction
00:53:01Well
00:53:01You know
00:53:02With mixed results
00:53:05This painting of a black man
00:53:07There's only three
00:53:08In the state of Mississippi
00:53:09And by the way
00:53:11That white
00:53:12Is I think
00:53:13A reflection on his lip
00:53:15Not necessarily his teeth
00:53:19They should be out in a minute
00:53:24I was very resistant
00:53:26To talking about enslavement
00:53:28Because I had so few facts
00:53:29But
00:53:30We've gotten
00:53:32Braver over the years
00:53:33All of us
00:53:35Who are from the south
00:53:36And who come from
00:53:37Families who were
00:53:38Plantation owners
00:53:39In the 19th century
00:53:41Have to deal with
00:53:43The issue of slavery
00:53:44Chattel slavery
00:53:45It's obviously
00:53:47Not a nice system
00:53:51Lansdown
00:53:52Was my great
00:53:53Great grandparents' house
00:53:55He had a lot of plantations
00:53:56He owned a huge
00:53:58Horrible number of slaves
00:54:01And yeah
00:54:01That's my history
00:54:02That's part of my history
00:54:03And I have to tell it
00:54:04As much as I hate it
00:54:07And the other part of our story
00:54:09Is about the African Americans
00:54:11Who lived here
00:54:12At Greenleaf's
00:54:14With the family
00:54:15Unfortunately
00:54:16One of them we know
00:54:17Was not happy
00:54:18Because this is Matilda
00:54:20Who ran away in 1850
00:54:22And this is an advertisement
00:54:23For her return
00:54:25All right
00:54:27This is what I ring
00:54:28When I want someone
00:54:29To bring me a Diet Coke
00:54:34Welcome to the summer kitchen
00:54:36This is an original dependency
00:54:39As we say in Natchez
00:54:41Or outbuilding
00:54:42Of Gloucester
00:54:44In National Geographic
00:54:461949
00:54:47Check out this gorgeous picture
00:54:50There is an actress
00:54:54Portraying the shucking
00:54:56Of all these vegetables
00:54:57Right by the fire
00:54:58During pilgrimage one time
00:55:01Isn't that lovely?
00:55:05Here I am
00:55:06With this slave dwelling
00:55:08So I said
00:55:08Oh you know
00:55:09I'm going to invite
00:55:10The garden club ladies
00:55:11Out here to see this house
00:55:13And I did
00:55:15Now I love
00:55:16How Debbie has gone through
00:55:18Because the unique history
00:55:19Of this property here
00:55:21I would say
00:55:23The majority of us
00:55:23That have these other homes
00:55:25Don't really have
00:55:27That type of opportunity
00:55:29To focus on
00:55:30What she can focus on
00:55:31But we have the responsibility
00:55:33Of doing what we've got
00:55:34At our places as well
00:55:37Anyway
00:55:37You know the thing
00:55:38I like about Debbie
00:55:40Is the one thing
00:55:41We have in common
00:55:43Is that we both
00:55:44Seem to just
00:55:45Have our own ideas
00:55:48And our own research
00:55:49And then we just
00:55:50Do whatever we want
00:55:53I find that
00:55:54Very fun about you
00:55:56Thank you
00:55:58Thank you
00:55:59I am fun fun fun
00:56:01I'm fun Debbie
00:56:02That's just who I am
00:56:04She went over to our house
00:56:06To visit it
00:56:07But I didn't even
00:56:07Get to meet her then
00:56:08When you're telling a story
00:56:10About say a kitchen
00:56:12A black woman's kitchen
00:56:14For me
00:56:15You bring a black person
00:56:17In to talk about kitchen
00:56:19And you say to me
00:56:21Well you come
00:56:21And you do it
00:56:24I don't have time
00:56:25To tell the story
00:56:27For your kitchen
00:56:28But I'm almost certain
00:56:31Your guest
00:56:32Would most probably
00:56:34Be more receptive
00:56:40Of a black person
00:56:42Woman
00:56:44In that kitchen
00:56:45Telling your story
00:56:47That's all
00:56:48We probably have
00:56:50Two different
00:56:51Kinds of people
00:56:52Coming
00:56:53Some who just want
00:56:54To look at pretty things
00:56:55And some who want to
00:56:56I don't know
00:56:58I bet they're there now
00:56:59I know who comes
00:57:00To my house
00:57:01Yeah yeah
00:57:01I mean
00:57:02Yeah well
00:57:02I know who comes here
00:57:04And I know
00:57:05You know what I'm saying
00:57:06Not being argumentative
00:57:07I don't want to do that
00:57:08Oh no
00:57:09Okay
00:57:09No
00:57:10What I want to say
00:57:12Is that
00:57:13A lot of people
00:57:13Come to Natchez
00:57:14And they
00:57:14And they see
00:57:16The pictures
00:57:17They're not even
00:57:18Oftentimes reading
00:57:19Anything about it
00:57:21They see that
00:57:21That mansion
00:57:22So they come
00:57:23Here
00:57:24To find
00:57:26Oh it's a slave quarter
00:57:28I have people
00:57:29Who stay with me
00:57:30Who have no idea
00:57:32Yeah
00:57:32Because it's
00:57:33Yes
00:57:33Because it's
00:57:34Concealed
00:57:35By design
00:57:35What's frustrating
00:57:37To me
00:57:37Is reading
00:57:38The stories
00:57:40Of the enslaved
00:57:41People
00:57:41They're at least
00:57:42Getting to learn
00:57:42Some names
00:57:43But we don't have
00:57:44It frustrates me
00:57:45To know
00:57:46We don't
00:57:46Know what they look like
00:57:47We don't have
00:57:48A portrait
00:57:48Of any of them
00:57:49Or
00:57:49And I
00:57:51It's the way it was
00:57:52But I'm like
00:57:52What do you do
00:57:54Do you have
00:57:54A silhouette created
00:57:55Is there something
00:57:56To
00:57:57To symbolize
00:57:58Someone
00:57:58Without it
00:57:59I'll never have
00:58:00Something real
00:58:00Or do you just
00:58:01Honor the name
00:58:02Or what little bit
00:58:03You know
00:58:04You certainly
00:58:05Do
00:58:08I don't know
00:58:09How y'all feel
00:58:09About it
00:58:10But I like
00:58:10How Helen Smith
00:58:11I thought she said it well
00:58:12She said
00:58:13There's clearly examples
00:58:14Of there being
00:58:15Great affection
00:58:16Between people in the home
00:58:18But she says
00:58:18Affection
00:58:19Will never be a substitute
00:58:20For freedom
00:58:21And I thought
00:58:22That was a nice way
00:58:22To say it
00:58:23But you at least
00:58:24Have to hope
00:58:24There's affection
00:58:25It makes you feel
00:58:26A little
00:58:26Like okay
00:58:27They weren't
00:58:28Gloucester was
00:58:29Built in 1803
00:58:30And the Emancipation
00:58:32Proclamation
00:58:32Was in 1863
00:58:34So it did have
00:58:35Slavery
00:58:35For 60 years
00:58:37But then
00:58:38From then on
00:58:39From 1863
00:58:40To 1920
00:58:42When they built
00:58:43An indoor kitchen
00:58:44Finally
00:58:45They had
00:58:46You know
00:58:47Paid servants
00:58:48Out there
00:58:48Working in that
00:58:51Very primitive
00:58:52Kitchen
00:58:52Some stayed on
00:58:54And just
00:58:55You know
00:58:56Got paid
00:58:56I'm sure
00:58:58Surely not much
00:58:59But got paid
00:59:00And stayed on
00:59:00With the family
00:59:01Long after the war
00:59:02We pay our housekeeper
00:59:04She doesn't come
00:59:04For free
00:59:07Okay
00:59:09It was like
00:59:10A nightmare today
00:59:11By the time
00:59:11You got here
00:59:12I was just
00:59:12Burst into tears
00:59:14I did
00:59:16And I mean
00:59:17Because this shit
00:59:18Is hard
00:59:19And you have to
00:59:19Sit in here
00:59:20And listen
00:59:20At all that old
00:59:21Care and stuff
00:59:23So she bothered
00:59:24Her house
00:59:24And she doesn't
00:59:25Know
00:59:26That's it
00:59:26She knows
00:59:27The history
00:59:28Of her house
00:59:28But she knows
00:59:29And that is
00:59:29So it
00:59:30The lingo
00:59:31It's not proper
00:59:33The things
00:59:33She needs to
00:59:34She needs
00:59:35Some
00:59:35She needs to
00:59:36Go get some
00:59:37Help with that
00:59:37Because it's
00:59:38Offensive
00:59:39It truly is
00:59:41And I was
00:59:41Trying not to
00:59:43Be so offended
00:59:45In my home
00:59:46As well as
00:59:47Not to
00:59:47Offend her
00:59:48That woman
00:59:49Made me
00:59:51I don't
00:59:51Usually get
00:59:52That rattle
00:59:53But that
00:59:54Is so
00:59:55That's it
00:59:56Bless her heart
00:59:57And I'm
00:59:58Going to
00:59:58Send her
00:59:59Some candy
01:00:00Some cookies
01:00:01Don't send her
01:00:01No candy
01:00:02And cookies
01:00:02Send her a book
01:00:03So she
01:00:04Need to be
01:00:04Educated
01:00:19Oh
01:00:19She's in this one
01:00:26Perfect
01:00:27Perfect
01:00:27And she
01:00:30Can't
01:00:30Come on
01:00:30It might have
01:00:31To pop
01:00:31To pop
01:00:31That shit
01:00:32Like damn
01:00:34Damn
01:00:35Damn
01:00:36Damn
01:00:36Damn
01:00:36Damn
01:00:42Great
01:00:53Yeah
01:00:55Yeah
01:00:56Yeah
01:00:57I love it. That's it.
01:01:19Take your time as you exit.
01:01:21Take your time.
01:01:25The old aristocracy, they went from have to have not.
01:01:2975 years of absolute wealth and power ended in four years of war.
01:01:33At Melrose, they're planting tomatoes after the war to pay taxes.
01:01:37What do you think the first thing was on the aristocracy's mind?
01:01:40How do I get it back?
01:01:43By 1890, all 13 ex Confederate states passed the Mississippi Plan,
01:01:47and it becomes a lot of land in the South.
01:01:49These new constitutions in the South will forbid black representation
01:01:53on a state, federal, and local level.
01:01:54Just like that, all those elected officials sit down.
01:01:57It's going to create voter suppression laws like literacy tests and poll taxes.
01:02:00No more black voting.
01:02:01White-only and color-only bathrooms.
01:02:03Limited access to public facilities.
01:02:04A black man can't wear a white shirt on Sunday morning.
01:02:07If you were walking down the sidewalk and I approached you,
01:02:09I had to step into the street by my head and call you Miss.
01:02:12If I looked in your eyes, constitutional law called that simple assault.
01:02:16You told I went to jail?
01:02:17Hello, Karen.
01:02:19She born right here in Natchez.
01:02:21The most insidious thing it did was to rewrite criminal justice codes
01:02:25called black codes for black people.
01:02:26This will elevate misdemeanors to felonies and create inmate lease programs
01:02:31so that state prisons, county jails, and local jails can rent inmates to farmers.
01:02:34That set of laws had a name.
01:02:37And it was not the name of a human.
01:02:39It was the name of a minstrel act,
01:02:41where an actor put on blackface and pasted feathers on his arms,
01:02:45danced around as a buffoon, and it was called Jim Crow.
01:02:48Jim Crow.
01:02:49Jim Crow.
01:02:50So Jim Crow was not some Spidey municipal ordinal social norman custom.
01:02:55Jim Crow was constitutional law in the whole Deep South.
01:02:58From 1890 to 1965.
01:03:0265.
01:03:04Yeah, I was born in 1964.
01:03:07It was not until LBJ signed the Voter Rights Act in 64 and Civil Rights Act in 65
01:03:12that Jim Crow got wiped out the books.
01:03:14It was too late.
01:03:15It was a scar.
01:03:16It was a wound on the soul of America.
01:03:1975 years of government-sanctioned, institutionalized systemic racism
01:03:23and white supremacy had done its dastardly deed.
01:03:27America is still segregated.
01:03:29There are black schools, white schools, black churches, white churches, black neighborhoods, white neighborhoods,
01:03:34to this very day in Natchez.
01:03:39Well, it's got to be on purpose.
01:03:41Well, but you know what I mean, like...
01:03:43I mean, are there, you know, new developments that actual white and black people are living...
01:03:50I mean, there are exceptions, no, there's no signs.
01:03:55But Jim Crow was ingrained into America's psyche, culture, heart, mind, and is still there.
01:04:18Thank you all. Get to be careful now.
01:04:20I'm gonna stand.
01:04:22I'm gonna stand.
01:04:22I've got to sit down before I fall over.
01:04:30The Parkinson's, it controls you.
01:04:35You don't control it.
01:04:39I don't shake that much.
01:04:42Every once in a while, I do.
01:04:47See, if I stood up right now too quickly, I'd keep walking.
01:04:51My body would stop mentally.
01:04:53But that's when I fall so much.
01:04:56So I've got where I just creep around.
01:04:59I'd be reluctant to use the cane.
01:05:01That'd make me look older than I am.
01:05:06My voice is just terrible.
01:05:10It's becoming an issue.
01:05:13The doctors say it's just overusage.
01:05:18I don't know if I go along with that or not.
01:05:22There's no pain.
01:05:23Just no voice.
01:05:26It's kind of strange and mysterious.
01:05:31If it gets any worse, I'll just quit talking.
01:05:35I'll just stop.
01:05:44Y'all got any questions, comments, anything?
01:05:47You ain't going to get a whole lot of opportunities to talk to an articulate black man about this kind
01:05:53of stuff.
01:05:54So go ahead.
01:05:55How do you turn that around?
01:05:57Yeah.
01:05:57Oh, baby, if I knew, I'd be rich.
01:06:00Well, I know that.
01:06:01But I mean, it starts with sitting down and talking, just like you said.
01:06:04It does.
01:06:06But then you have to focus more on, do you feel like, education?
01:06:10I always felt like education was the key.
01:06:13What's the key?
01:06:14Yeah, I think so.
01:06:15The whole family idea, women having numerous children and with no father.
01:06:20Yeah.
01:06:21You know, I mean, that.
01:06:22Well, they got fathers.
01:06:23Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:06:24They all got, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:06:26They're not.
01:06:27In the home.
01:06:27They're absent.
01:06:28Right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right.
01:06:30And that's designed.
01:06:32You see, if you want to kill a snake, do you cut the tail off of the head?
01:06:35Right, sure.
01:06:35You cut the head off.
01:06:37And so the cradle to the prison pipeline, the injection of drugs and poverty and the
01:06:44gentrification in communities and the redlining, all that stuff works just fine.
01:06:51I get thousands of people, I've done these tours in the last eight years or so, and I
01:06:56get this comment a bit repetitively where folks say, well, what black people need to
01:07:02do is this or this or this to solve this problem.
01:07:04But y'all understand that black people didn't create the problem.
01:07:08White people created the problem.
01:07:10And so if it's going to be solved, white folks are going to have to solve it.
01:07:13Plus, let me finish.
01:07:14Right.
01:07:15Let me finish.
01:07:17Black people don't have enough money or power to solve the problem.
01:07:20And so the inequities that exist in our culture will require something that I think is going
01:07:28to be difficult.
01:07:29And that's why folks are going to have to give up something.
01:07:32Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:07:33Opportunity.
01:07:34Wealth.
01:07:35All those things.
01:07:36And who wants to give up anything that they feel like they work for?
01:07:41You know what I'm saying?
01:07:41And so how you fix them, man, that's real tough.
01:07:49I welcome those conversations.
01:07:52And sometimes after the tours, I'm a little sad because I feel like we've made a connection
01:07:58and now it has to end.
01:08:01You've got to analyze as you're talking to people.
01:08:05And it's almost an art what they're able to bear.
01:08:09You know, you get more from non-verbal cues than you do verbal cues.
01:08:13So, you know, I'm really in tune to them while I'm talking.
01:08:16That's how I know when to shut up.
01:08:19You ever pick cotton rift?
01:08:21No, sir.
01:08:22I have.
01:08:22My grandmother did.
01:08:25I took you to the highest point on the bluff.
01:08:29And this is the last point.
01:08:31Oh, fuck.
01:08:31Did you ever do Choctaw High?
01:08:34Yeah, we did it yesterday.
01:08:36Have you taken the tour?
01:08:37Oh, man, I've been in the house many, many times.
01:08:40Many times.
01:08:42I don't think David does the same thing with me there as he does without me.
01:08:47Because I've had people come back and say, you know, he made some blatantly racist comments.
01:08:55I always picture him as just trying to portray what a Southern aristocratic gentleman, how they would talk, as opposed
01:09:08to being him.
01:09:10I mean, he gay in America still.
01:09:12Y'all would get to know him a little bit more and maybe you can see if there's a real
01:09:15him or if that is the real him.
01:09:19Jacques Petit loved monkeys.
01:09:21He owned three.
01:09:23He made scent bottles with rose oil in the shape of monkeys.
01:09:28Look at her.
01:09:29She's dressed in royal clothes.
01:09:30Her top comes off.
01:09:31Poor rose oil.
01:09:32Look, she's got a flask in her hand.
01:09:35She's smashed.
01:09:36She can tell by looking.
01:09:37And look how beautifully signed she is.
01:09:39Don't you look at her face?
01:09:41Isn't she hysterical?
01:09:42I mean, this girl is blitz.
01:09:45And what's so interesting, it's cracked and crazed.
01:09:48You still smell rose oil.
01:09:51Isn't that great?
01:09:53I feel like I'm doing communion.
01:09:56Wouldn't I have made a good priest?
01:09:58I love him.
01:10:00Have you been in Choctaw, too?
01:10:02Yes.
01:10:02Did you see David?
01:10:03Oh, yes.
01:10:04Very entertaining.
01:10:05Biggest characters you'll ever meet.
01:10:07He's a nice guy.
01:10:08Yeah, he is.
01:10:09And believe it or not, he took a bunch of stuff out.
01:10:11Yeah.
01:10:12He did, especially at Christmas.
01:10:13Well, he said the Hoop Skirt Mafia made him take a lot of things.
01:10:15That's right.
01:10:17They got on to him all the time about inappropriate words that he might use.
01:10:22And he didn't like that at all.
01:10:24So he was reprimanded numerous times over his tours.
01:10:28But everybody loves his tours.
01:10:30He just says it like it is.
01:10:31He's entertaining.
01:10:32Bye-bye.
01:10:34Y'all come back now, you hear?
01:11:06Natchez is a place of healing of the ugly past.
01:11:09And yes, I am the first African-American woman to be a member of the Pilgrimage Garden Club.
01:11:14And then when they're early, my friend here, he'll tell you, I do this for them.
01:11:20And then I break them down if they want to be ugly.
01:11:26Oh, freedom.
01:11:30Oh, freedom.
01:11:33Oh, freedom.
01:11:36Over me and before I'd be a slave, said I'd be buried in my grave.
01:11:46And go home, home to my Lord, and I'd be free.
01:12:02I have really bad days sometimes.
01:12:05When I think I'm going to just be this little wimpy girl, woman or whatever, it's like I'm tired and
01:12:10I can't do this anymore and I can't go.
01:12:12And so I think of them, the enslaved people here.
01:12:18Flora Upshaw, Hester Williams, George and Charity Martin.
01:12:28I give honor to them.
01:12:32I say their names.
01:12:35I ask for their guidance.
01:12:44You know, these were handmade.
01:12:52They made these bricks, you know.
01:13:12One day I was out here, as I am every morning.
01:13:15And a van drove up.
01:13:18I introduced myself.
01:13:19And as it turns out, I'm Tracy.
01:13:22He's Tracy.
01:13:22So we chatted for a little while.
01:13:24And, you know, I had wanted to do his tours since then.
01:13:28I love learning about all of the beautiful architecture that's here and the culture of our city.
01:13:36Well, y'all know my name is Tracy Collins, and I'm a local pastor here.
01:13:42And a bit of a historian.
01:13:48The fastest growing cash crop in the state is the southern pine.
01:13:52My very first job was in the Pop Woods.
01:13:55Shut up.
01:13:56You ain't been in no woods, girl.
01:13:58You were a Beverly Hill building.
01:14:00My dad loaded the truck, and then my mom drove the truck to the mill the next morning and unloaded
01:14:06it.
01:14:07I hauled wood for one day.
01:14:10The next day I went and got in college.
01:14:12Right.
01:14:13By the time slavery moves from the east to the south, the chains aren't on their arms anymore.
01:14:18The chains are on their minds.
01:14:24You been in Melrose?
01:14:26I have not.
01:14:32It's so sad that people can be so, you know, so cruel.
01:14:37He said some things that made me think about it a little differently than what I had before.
01:14:51And this is my mother, who died last year.
01:14:54This is what my mother wanted to go clean.
01:14:56I grew up all.
01:14:58See, in Arkansas, our townhouse is next door to the governor's mansion.
01:15:02Like, this is townhouse outside of the country.
01:15:04Everybody had a townhouse.
01:15:06So we were all running by this for years.
01:15:08You grew up next to the governor's mansion?
01:15:10My house is pretty...
01:15:11When they redid the governor's mansion, they copied my stairway.
01:15:15Oh, God.
01:15:18You know, I just can't imagine the slaves...
01:15:22I mean, how do you walk 900 miles?
01:15:25I don't think I could have...
01:15:26I mean, I just feel sure I would have died.
01:15:29And no one would have cared.
01:15:31No.
01:15:32And I would have been glad of it.
01:15:33I mean, I would have rather died than...
01:15:35I'm sure someone felt that way.
01:15:40Anyway, slaves couldn't read and write.
01:15:43So, where did education come from?
01:15:46Well, some of them are the bastard children of the aristocracy.
01:15:51See, the rich white male planter get to have sex with whoever he wanted to.
01:15:55And these men are raping women like 55 going south.
01:15:58You understand?
01:15:59Your husband gonna come tell you at 9 o'clock,
01:16:02baby, I'm going to check the chickens.
01:16:04He ain't going to check no chickens.
01:16:05He going down to the slag quarter.
01:16:07And he gonna do that every night.
01:16:08And the only time he didn't come to your bed is to make an air.
01:16:11And the same women that he having sex with, raping, put it the way it is,
01:16:19they washing your clothes, cooking, cleaning, helping you put your clothes...
01:16:21She pouring your coffee in the morning.
01:16:23And he got that, I'm going to have sex with you tonight in his eyes.
01:16:27But he ain't looking at you.
01:16:29He looking at her.
01:16:30And guess what you get to say about it?
01:16:33Nothing.
01:16:34You can't say a word.
01:16:36Now, do you think you can't say anything because you won't say anything or you can't say anything?
01:16:41What you think?
01:16:41I mean, what you think?
01:16:42If you're the wife?
01:16:43If you're the wife, why can't you say anything?
01:16:45You ain't going to be wrong, I promise you.
01:16:48Where would you go?
01:16:49Where would you live?
01:16:49Right.
01:16:50What would you do?
01:16:50And because they're supporting your lifestyle.
01:16:52Right.
01:16:53Here we go.
01:16:57Jim Crow was constitutional law in the whole Deep South.
01:17:02Now, get this.
01:17:03From 1890 to 1965, I was born in 1964.
01:17:10Me too.
01:17:11We same age.
01:17:12Same name, same age.
01:17:13You my sister, man.
01:17:14You my sister.
01:17:15Yeah, you got to come to church with me.
01:17:18That was a drastic turn.
01:17:23I'm hip, right?
01:17:25Hey, Doc.
01:17:29Oh, man.
01:17:30And you're the worst doggone muffler man in Mississippi.
01:17:34Get a job.
01:17:36Asshole.
01:17:39What did, what did he say?
01:17:42The muffler guy, oh, that black boy's lying.
01:17:48One of his little friends was over there.
01:17:51And every time it's three or more of them together,
01:17:58their ignorance just boils over.
01:18:01I get him straight in the morning, though.
01:18:10The first note that I got after my grandmother died was from a handwritten three pages from
01:18:15Will Clinton.
01:18:17Because, I mean, he was so kind, so down there.
01:18:20He definitely built.
01:18:21Now, Hillary and I kind of got into it several years ago.
01:18:24They took Confederate Boulevard, and she voted to have it changed to some black man's name.
01:18:30And I flew all over.
01:18:32I said, let me tell you, you're a brilliant woman, but you're going to go downhill getting involved in this
01:18:36black situation.
01:18:37And I said, you can just mark me off your little list of friends as you start licking up to
01:18:42the black.
01:18:43That's exactly what she did.
01:18:45And one of them, Bill told me later, he said, you can tell her that.
01:18:50Get away with it.
01:18:51Well, it's the truth.
01:18:54And so she ruined herself.
01:18:57That's why she didn't get elected.
01:18:59It was two minutes of negrism.
01:19:02If there's another monument built in Natchez, if I have to pay for it, it'll be to the white people.
01:19:07There's still white people left in this world.
01:19:09Who died and made all the black people queen for a day?
01:19:12I don't know.
01:19:13But, I mean, it's just disgusting.
01:19:16There's been people that have been persecuted much more than the blacks have.
01:19:21And whatever, if they had to pile them on a ship and send them back to Africa, they'd have another
01:19:26thought coming.
01:19:26They'd get over there and climb a coconut tree and make a living.
01:19:30Whatever.
01:19:31So I think it's just absolutely pitiful.
01:19:33Equality, which brings them everything on a silver tray.
01:19:36I mean, our taxpayers' money.
01:19:38I mean, I'm tired of taking care of somebody who won't take care of themselves.
01:19:44And I'm not saying there's not some good ones.
01:19:46There are, but they're outnumbered by the bad ones.
01:19:50It's disgusting.
01:19:51It's just black, black, black.
01:19:55I love to wear black.
01:19:59Men look so good with gray hair and black tie.
01:20:17I love to wear black and black tie.
01:20:25I love to wear black tie.
01:20:58So if you buy yourself a blackboard, make sure the shoes are pointed.
01:21:02I don't want you to get ripped off, because I don't want you to go out and buy you a
01:21:05little Negro for your house and let me know a little car.
01:21:19Do you have an elevator here?
01:21:20No elevator.
01:21:21Somebody says, what in hell, how are you going to get upstairs?
01:21:24I said, I'll get a couple of Negro boys to carry me.
01:21:27And then one lady said, if anyone will, you will.
01:21:31They also had that money to buy slave labor.
01:21:34That's part of history.
01:21:36We need to embrace history, learn from it, profit from it, and continue on.
01:21:43I said, I'm not sure if you have a normal life anymore.
01:22:16I stretch my hand to thee
01:22:25And all we have I know
01:22:32If I withdraw thyself from me
01:22:41Where shall I go?
01:22:52Jesus, my God, I know His name
01:22:56The only help I know
01:23:02If I withdraw thyself from me
01:23:12Where shall I go?
01:23:31This is my youngest son
01:23:34This is Bobby
01:23:36Mr. Lewis will be talking about
01:23:38Yeah
01:23:41He's the director of interpretation
01:23:42Come on
01:23:44He's the director of interpretation
01:23:59He's the director of this period
01:24:00Paying homage to the enslaved people
01:24:03That were considered less than human
01:24:05But yet built a country
01:24:11This is the history of America's
01:24:14Are we really not going to tell that story?
01:24:24My barber says this place is never going to change
01:24:27A couple of choices
01:24:34When I believe that then I'll sell everything and move
01:24:38How much?
01:24:41This is how
01:24:42I love you.
01:25:13I love you.
01:25:53I love you.
01:26:15I love you.
01:26:51I love you.
01:27:12I love you.
01:27:45I love you.
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