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00:12During the analysis of a hard drive recovered from the basement of the suspect, the task force
00:17discovered a word document titled HK2002-4. It was found in unallocated space, which means it
00:28was erased, but we were able to forensically retrieve it. The planning document is effectively
00:34a blueprint of how to be a serial killer. To look at it in real life is horrible. This is
00:41highly
00:42disturbing. His whole being is devoted to sex, torture, murder in the worst way that a human
00:51mind could imagine. This whole thing is insane. It's like you couldn't literally ask for any
00:58more of a confession.
01:14The planning document is extraordinarily damning. What the investigators found was that it was
01:20created, not downloaded from the internet, it was created by the user. And investigators
01:26believe that the exclusive user of that device was Rex Howerman sometime between 2001 and 2002.
01:33This is right after Valerie Mack is murdered. It's particularly critical for the prosecution
01:39because it establishes the intent and the mindset of the perpetrator. The intent is crucial to
01:45establish premeditation. It begins with a four category section with underlying headings. Based
01:54on the experience of investigators, they believe that supplies, references, the tools necessary
02:00to actually execute the murders, problems, specifically details, the things needed to avoid apprehension.
02:07DS is a reference to dump site, where the bodies would effectively be disposed of. And TRG is a reference
02:14to the targets. The target section references Megan with a question mark. Also, small is good. It's
02:25important to note that the known victims thus far are all small, petite women.
02:30When we first got access to this planning document, it was very disturbing. To the point that when
02:36I reported it, I did a disclaimer to the viewer to please be ready for what you're about to hear.
02:43You may not
02:43want to hear this. Supplies. Booties. Acid. Rope. Hairnets. Problems. DNA. Bloodstains. Foot shoe prints.
03:02The document very clearly lays out, dump site one, Mill Road. Valerie Mack and Jessica Taylor's remains
03:10found close to Mill Road. Post-event. Destroy file. Change tires. Burn gloves. Have story set.
03:23As I read this, I have to say, it's strange. There's so many misspellings here.
03:29Rex is well-educated. An architect.
03:33He didn't spell well. He would make me listen to this tape recorder when he would have me do
03:40proposals. You know, it obviously didn't spell well. Use heavy rope for neck. Light rope broke under stress
03:51of being tightened. Light rope broke under stress. That's disturbing because he's now speaking,
04:01allegedly, that this happened. He's learning. Who fucking hurt him that he had to do that to people?
04:10He was hunting them. He literally planned all that. More sleep and noise control equals more playtime.
04:20He was not interested in just killing them. There was more that he had planned. And where were they for
04:27that time? They were somewhere. When you look at the planning document, it talks about,
04:35for lack of a better word, a staging area, an area where the victim would be brought. And with regard
04:42to that, it talks about hanging plastic from either the ceiling or the walls, and how it was better to
04:48use pushpins as opposed to tape. Because tape leaves adhesive marks on the wall and the ceiling.
04:57Authorities returned to search the house about a year after the initial search.
05:01That search was likely prompted from the details provided in the planning document,
05:06specific to the use of pushpins and tape. So they were specifically looking to see evidence of that.
05:15Where in a house that you share with your wife and two children could you conceal a crime like this?
05:27One summer, I worked for a lot of different architects. I was freelancing, and Rex said,
05:34hey, I've got some work for you. He asked me to come to his house to measure it because he
05:41was going to do some renovations.
05:45So I took the train out to Massapequa Park, and he picked me up at the train station.
05:56Here's the front door.
05:59You enter in here, and here's the living room.
06:05We actually measured the whole first floor and the basement together.
06:10The kitchen is right here, and the stairs leading down to the basement.
06:15When you go down the stairs, it was finished. There was carpet, there was a sofa,
06:22and there was a little bar. You know, it was a hangout area. So you can see how he would
06:29say,
06:29hey, why don't you come down, sit on the couch, you know, have a drink, and just hang out. You
06:35know, just chill out.
06:37Even then, the women walking down those stairs had no idea what was about to come.
06:45We were kind of working our way around the perimeter of the room, probably 10 feet away.
06:51From the sofa was this area I'm calling the vault.
06:55The vault. He was standing literally, his back was to the door of the vault.
07:03And he said, you can't go in there.
07:08I always remembered that because, I don't know, something struck me when he
07:15stopped and said that to my face in such a stern voice. It really kind of caught me off guard.
07:23The vault would have offered a level of privacy and, to some degree, a level of noise cancellation
07:30that would have provided an ideal environment for the components of this crime.
07:37When we executed the search warrant in the house, we went back to the basement.
07:43And using infrared lighting, we were able to establish a cordoned off area where we saw this
07:48adhesive tape had been placed. It really just reiterated what that planning document specifically
07:56talks about with regard to staging areas.
08:00From the pictures that we've seen from the house raids, what I realized in the last year and a half
08:10is that there's a staircase that's in the vault that leads out to the backyard.
08:18So he had access from this room to the backyard.
08:26If you look at all the aerial photos of his house, you can see the basement doors. They're directly
08:31underneath his kitchen, directly in line with the stairs that go down to the basement. He was able to
08:42move things around in a discreet way.
08:50It becomes apparent that there's a high possibility that these women, that he may have held them for
08:57a period of time, in a room where he was able to hang a drop cloth, where he was able
09:04to test all these
09:06different torture methods on them. And they probably knew they were going to die because no one could help them.
09:13It's very scary for me to look back on those times and think how close I was to somebody so
09:20evil.
09:25In July of 2003, he allegedly took Jessica Taylor, got together with her on a Monday night
09:37and dumped her body on a Friday night. So he had her at the house for those four days.
09:48On his Blackberry schedule, you can see that he has appointments at the DOB, the Department of Buildings,
09:56meaning, allegedly, Jessica Taylor was still in the house and he would go off to meetings.
10:03He was still in the house and he was still in the house.
10:06Given the evidence in this case, one of the things that we argue is significant is that,
10:10with regard to all of the victims, the defendant's family were out of town during the commission of
10:17the crimes. That would have unfortunately given the defendant unfettered time and access to the
10:23victims at a time where, you know, no one else would be around.
10:30If I went back to his house, I don't think I'd be here right now.
10:34For years, I've told everybody, everybody, I said I went on a date with the Go Beach killer.
10:41I knew it was him and nobody believed me. Which again goes to show how little people
10:47believe things from people in that industry.
10:55I was a felon at a really young age and nobody wanted to fucking hire me at all.
11:01It's at McDonald's, but you can't pay for rent and a kid on McDonald's.
11:05My friend showed me the website, sugardaddies.com. So I ended up becoming a sugar baby.
11:14So I met Rex Hummerman through the website in 2015.
11:19Initially, he wanted me to come to his house. He was like, why don't you just come over,
11:25it'd be a lot more relaxed. He didn't want to be in public. But I got him to agree to
11:30go to the
11:30scene room in Port Jeff. When we sat down, we talked like basics. Like, what do you do for a
11:38living?
11:39Where do you work? And then he asked if I knew about the Go Beach killing. And like, I'm from
11:46here,
11:47so of course I have. The way he talked about it seemed odd. Honestly, it felt like he was like,
11:55sexually getting off to talking about serial killers and Gilgo. You know, when someone's blood
12:02pressure is high and their face starts turning red and their palms get flushed and they, that's
12:06what he looked like. It was so weird. He honestly was in a rush to try to get me to
12:12his house.
12:14I was like, I really don't want to be driving at night in an area, I don't know. That was
12:18like my
12:18polite let down. And he was like, why would you drive? No, no, no, we'd take one car.
12:25He was like very aggressive, like very pushy about it. And then he seemed like
12:29angry. Like he was mad that I didn't want to go home with him.
12:33It scared me. I was like super uncomfortable.
12:38He had gone through that process with the earlier victims and he hadn't gotten caught yet.
12:45He got away with it for so long.
12:49He lived his dual life. He had the front facing life where he was
12:53the architect who worked in the city, had his own business. And then he had this
12:58aspect of his life that he kept secret.
13:02With the literature discovered in his home during the execution of the search warrant,
13:06it seems as if the suspect has a deep fascination with violent crimes and with serial killers in particular.
13:14We know that he was fixated with Mindhunter. Mindhunter was written by retired special agent
13:20John Douglas. John was a pioneer in establishing the behavioral science unit. And he is known as being
13:26a lynchpin in the development of behavioral criminal profiling. The book Mindhunter provides insight into
13:34serial killer behavior and techniques used by violent criminal offenders.
13:40John Douglas famously wrote in that book that if you want to understand Picasso, you have to study
13:47his art. If you want to understand the criminal personality, you study the crime.
13:52I think this suspect liked being thought of as an artist. And it was an art form that he had
14:00to perfect.
14:01He was looking at the way serial killers kill and also how investigators go about
14:10tracking down and convicting serial killers.
14:13And he makes it a point to denote certain pages to really pay attention to. And if you have access
14:20to
14:20that type of internal information, you can definitely square up how you execute a series of murders like
14:28this to minimize the spread of evidence, including DNA.
14:33Body prep. Wash body inside and all cavities.
14:39Remove ID marks like tattoos. Remove marks from torture. Remove head and hands.
14:48For the other six victims, four of the six were dismembered.
14:55Out of all of those four, not only were they dismembered, some body parts were recovered along
15:01Ocean Parkway. Others were recovered in Hampstead Lake Park, Fire Island, Manorville.
15:08Typically, the perpetrators undertake that and it's a lot of effort in order to frustrate and confuse
15:15investigators and to delay the identification. That's the key.
15:20Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney has always been clear that this investigation is still
15:24going. They're not stopping until they investigate every single lead that they could possibly have
15:31related to this case. And so we knew there were going to be more charges coming.
15:40Today, the district attorney's office filed the superseding indictment, charging the defendant
15:44with two additional murders. Those charges pertain to the 1993 murder of Sandra Castilla
15:52and the 2003 murder of Jessica Taylor. The task force believes that the planning document was utilized by
16:00Uerman to methodically blueprint and plan out his kills with excruciating detail. We allege that this
16:08document evinces the defendant's intent in committing the charged crimes.
16:13I did not suspect that Sandra Castilla was going to be connected to him. That wowed me. I was suspecting
16:24Jessica Taylor and Valerie Mack. The reason is we have known for years, because police have said,
16:30that Jessica Taylor and Valerie Mack most likely had the same killer. Sandra Castilla kind of came out of nowhere,
16:37but the significance of that cannot be understated.
16:41There were two hairs from Sandra Castilla's remains that are of particular significance in this case.
16:48One was a female hair that was recovered from the victim's right arm, and one was a male hair that
16:54was
16:54recovered from a tape, a tape lift of one of the shirts that the victim was wearing that was,
16:59was pushed above her head. They found a female hair on her right arm that did not belong to her.
17:08They believe it closely matches who they call witness three. Witness three is the woman that Rex
17:15Sherman was living with in 1993. From a defense standpoint, I don't know what strategy I would use
17:24to explain that away. The totality of the evidence is extraordinarily damning.
17:37Good morning. It looks like there's just so much discovery that's forthcoming. You see here,
17:44the interns here have a box of, I don't know how many terabytes are in there, but this is,
17:49these are things that were disclosed this morning, and that's just on top of all that we've received
17:55to date. I think it's fair to say that it's an unprecedented type of case. Michael Brown is his
18:02lawyer. He's a good lawyer. Michael tried his first jury case against me, and he beat me. I stood,
18:09I stood in front of you folks a year ago, uh, and I said he wants his day in court.
18:14He still wants his
18:15day in court. He wants his trial. If I were Michael Brown, I know what I would do, and I
18:20would start to
18:21look directly at the DNA evidence and pull it apart. The strongest piece of evidence that they claim they
18:28have is a hare. DNA evidence is science, but the great mistake that people make is that science is
18:37the voice of God. It's not. There are thousands and thousands of people just on Long Island that
18:45potentially could be donors for those hares. And then I would cast reasonable doubt on whether or not
18:51he was guilty. You have a search warrant when Rex was arrested in July of last year,
18:56and now the 10 month later search apparently is going to yield three or four times the amount of
19:02discovery that the first search yielded. Does that make any sense to you? I would also attack the way
19:09the police conducted the entire investigation and pick the police apart. There were numerous leads that
19:15came into the Suffolk County Police Department suggesting that Chief Burke was involved in this.
19:20Mike Brown, he's always been clear that Rex had nothing to do with any of this.
19:27Any piece of evidence, he's going to rip it apart.
19:31It all goes into the narrative. It's any piece of the puzzle that they can take,
19:37and they can fit, and they can argue that it's Rex Eurman. They've done that. And things that don't
19:43work for them you don't hear about. We talked about surveillance. A year and a half of poll
19:49cameras at his house. The defense have made a very good point that all that was captured on that film
19:56was Rex coming home, playing with his dog, talking to his wife, nothing out of the ordinary.
20:04I mean, I think probably what he's saying about the poll cam is we don't see him murdering anyone
20:08else in the poll cam, which means he didn't commit these other, you know, I think that's,
20:11that's, that's what he's saying.
20:14Eurman has denied tons of media requests. So it's interesting that the one person he's
20:21decided to communicate with is a convicted serial killer, the happy face killer.
20:28I try to explain to other killers that are arrested, and I write to them, I tell them how the
20:32system
20:33works. If you're arrested, it means that the prosecutor has enough evidence to take you to
20:38court and prove you guilty. I've recently got a letter from Rex Eurman from the Long Island serial
20:43killers, and I admit, I told him the same thing. Isn't that kind of an admission of guilt? Why is
20:52he
20:52writing to another serial killer? Is he seeking advice? You've already made that assumption that
21:05he's the one who drafted it, and he's the one who created it. I don't know that. I don't know
21:10that.
21:11You have a document that's attached to a bail package from a computer they claim was in his home
21:17that's 23 years old. But that's all I know. The experts of the medical examiner's office,
21:23and these are folks who are experts in their field, they said that those hairs were unsuitable
21:32for nuclear DNA testing. Now all of a sudden, magically, we have a company in California
21:39that says, no, we're able to do nuclear DNA testing. I don't understand how the Suffolk County
21:44crime lab said it's unsuitable, and within a month or two, we have some magician on the west coast
21:50that says it's my client. We're looking forward to trying this case. In 1993, and certainly at the
21:58time the bodies were discovered in 2010, the capability to produce full mitochondrial and
22:02nuclear DNA profiles from rootless hairs just didn't exist. The capability just wasn't there.
22:07Since then, technology and science have substantially evolved, and we can now get a DNA profile
22:14from a rootless hair through nuclear DNA testing. The profile that returned excluded 99.96% of the
22:25North American population. Rex could not be excluded.
22:30Even with DNA, believe it or not, you can't have 100%. There's too many variations.
22:40We have here, these are the, from the indictment, the list of all the breakdown of the DNA, right?
22:49Sandra Castilla, 99.96% of North American population can be excluded, but not Rex Heurman. 99.98%,
23:0199.96%. Nothing here is 100. And so what the defense is going to try to say is that this
23:12is not a match.
23:14Sandra Castilla increases the potential victims associated with the subject, and there are likely
23:20more. It showed he was likely killing as early as 1993 and most likely well before that. The brutal
23:28nature of Sandra's murder, as well as how the body was disposed of and posed and mutilated,
23:35suggests to investigators that this was not his first time.
23:40New information as the investigation continues into the accused Gilgo Beach serial killer.
23:45Police in both South Carolina and Las Vegas, where he owns property,
23:50are reviewing unsolved cases for any possible connection.
23:55There is extremely strong possibility that he's responsible for a number of other deaths
24:02in other areas of the country. There is a woman in South Carolina who says,
24:08I know that face. It was the last face I saw with my mother before I never saw her again.
24:15South Carolina's Sumter County Sheriff's Office posting this photo of Julia Ann Bean.
24:21Bean's adult daughter telling authorities the last time she saw her mother,
24:25she was with a man driving a vehicle similar to one that's now been linked to Heurman.
24:31I didn't know that he went down to South Carolina, that they had property there because
24:37he had me paying the taxes for it.
24:39The FBI recovered a vehicle that matches Heurman's SUV linked to the case.
24:44And now investigators are searching property in Chester County, South Carolina.
24:48If you could catch the gate open, there's tarps, there's all kind of weird stuff.
24:52He's got, like I said, a deuce and a half military army vehicle in there, or he did.
24:56I think that every missing person's case that involves a woman in this country should be looked at.
25:05Cameron Bean telling NBC News, I saw her the night before my graduation.
25:09She didn't come, which was definitely something that was out of character for her.
25:14So, prior to identifying a suspect,
25:17you're limited in terms of the victims that you'll tie that suspect to.
25:20After the suspect was arrested, you look at the suspect's behavior, their lifestyle,
25:25their travel patterns, and that drives you to look at potential other victims
25:30that were outside of the jurisdiction of Suffolk County and outside of New York.
25:34We don't know yet if Rex Hauerman will be charged with their murders.
25:39Hauerman and his wife own a timeshare condo at Club du Soleil on Tropicana Avenue and Lindell Road.
25:46Property records show they bought it in 2005 for $17,000.
25:52In Las Vegas, he has a condo that's right behind a sex worker establishment.
25:59Sources tell 13 Investigates Metro has a number of cold cases involving sex workers.
26:05We've asked how many of those unsolved crimes there are, and we are still waiting for that information.
26:10I've spoken to a mom out there. Her daughter, she's from Canada.
26:13Her daughter had gone to Vegas to be a sex worker, and she's never heard from her since.
26:18And she waits with bated breath at the phone that Rex Hauerman may have killed her daughter.
26:26The defendant did spend time in Alaska, as well as Atlantic City, as well as other places.
26:33And if any of those jurisdictions have any information that they need from the task force,
26:37we have provided it. We're going to continue to provide it.
26:41I guarantee you that if they start looking into disappearances and time frames when he was there,
26:46there's going to be bodies all over the country.
26:48If you think that he was just killing on Long Island for 30 years,
26:51there's no chance in hell that's going to be true.
26:54Recently, we learned from Suffolk Police that they're still receiving tips.
26:57They're up to about 7,000 tips.
27:00We're going to concern ourselves with what's happening here on Long Island and remain supportive
27:04of those investigations. But because I lack the jurisdiction, we'll leave those investigations
27:09up to those other places.
27:16One of the more heartbreaking things about this case is that the duration of it
27:21and the time that it's taken to apprehend a suspect and the time that trial will inevitably take
27:26is that so many of these families have suffered incalculable loss that most people could not live
27:32through. And they have not been able to see justice be done.
27:37This is dorky, but I kept it.
27:43This leaf blew in front of me. And every time I moved, it blew towards me.
27:47So I figured it was meant for me to take it. So I took it and it's been in this
27:51box ever since.
27:51The families have waited for years, sometimes decades, to find out what happened to their loved
27:58ones. And not all of them are still here today. Megan Waterman's mom, Lorraine, died in 2022,
28:06only months before Rex Herman was arrested. She died without knowing who may have killed her daughter.
28:16Mary Gilbert passed away in 2016.
28:21In the beginning, I wanted to pretend like it's not my life. After my mother's passing,
28:28I have gotten a lot more involved because I feel like I have to now. I have to participate in
28:35what
28:35my mother did. She spoke a lot for Shannon and justice for Shannon. So I believe that
28:43I have to do the same thing. These families always held out hope
28:50that they would find who did this to their loved ones. And they died, some of them,
28:57without ever knowing what happened. The family members who are still alive are carrying on the torch,
29:05showing up to hearings involving Rex Herman to make sure that there is justice.
29:15We don't know where this will end, but this case drags on. And because there's so many victims,
29:22it's taking a long time for the case to go to trial. So it's a painful process for many of
29:30the family members.
29:32They are committed, however, to seeing this through to the end. They want the truth
29:37about what happened to their loved ones.
29:43So Lynn, we don't know exactly what's going to happen today.
29:48No.
29:49You've been to the courthouse that we're going to so many times, right?
29:53I have.
29:53Probably, probably we've lost count, right?
29:56This is the first time I'm going to see the defendant, though.
30:00My guess is he's not going to look at any one who was sitting there except maybe the judge.
30:07Hmm. If he's smart.
30:13I think it's very important, don't you, that the family members come?
30:17I do. We all need to be there to support each other.
30:21Yes.
30:22And any new victims' families.
30:24Mm-hmm.
30:25Let them all see that we're all here for them.
30:28Yeah, exactly.
30:30And that you're here.
30:31Because nobody can feel this except us.
30:33Exactly.
30:34I mean, you can say that you feel sorry or...
30:37Yeah.
30:38But you just don't know.
30:42I don't think there's ever going to be any closure.
30:47Well, at some point, hopefully...
30:51I mean, there may be justice.
30:52A little less painful.
30:54Exactly. That's how I feel. Exactly.
30:56And no one else will be hurt.
31:00It's so, so important.
31:19Gender violence.
31:22That makes the families very angry and very upset.
31:28We see horrific things happening to women all over the world.
31:31The bottom line is, this accused man thinks he's powerful, hurting the vulnerable.
31:38It's just tragic.
31:41Doesn't think about family members.
31:44Doesn't think about anyone except himself.
31:47We go now to Long Island, where suspected Gilgal Beach serial killer
31:51Rex Heuerman has been charged with a seventh murder.
31:54Suffolk's DA today said that parts of Valerie Mack's dismembered
31:57body were first found in Manorville back in 2000.
32:01That's when prosecutors recovered a strand of hair DNA has now traced back to Rex Heuerman's daughter.
32:08That courtroom audience included the parents of Valerie Mack,
32:12as well as family members of some of the other alleged victims of Rex Heuerman.
32:16It was silent when he came into the courtroom.
32:19So for that reason, it was particularly startling when he yelled, not guilty.
32:27Family members let out an audible gasp when Heuerman decided to enter his own not guilty plea.
32:34He certainly has a right to say not guilty.
32:37He can say it until he's blue in the face, but really what matters is what the evidence shows.
32:43So we'll have to wait and see.
32:46How did you feel about this morning?
32:49It was very emotional.
32:51I didn't expect to feel that way when I saw him for the first time.
32:55So it was like feeling it for the first time all over again.
33:01But, you know, he's sitting alone in his cell, most likely.
33:05That's all he's got.
33:06That's all he's got.
33:06That's all he's got.
33:19Here in New York, the judge in the case of accused Gilgo Beach killer Rex Heuerman
33:24is expected to announce whether key DNA evidence can be used during the trial.
33:29The type of testing has never been used before in a New York courtroom.
33:35We're in Riverhead, Suffolk County, for a big hearing.
33:39The judge's decision today is monumental for months.
33:45Rex's attorney, Mike Brown, put up every expert that he could find that would argue that the use
33:51of this DNA technology was too new and should not be allowed in the trial.
33:58This evidence is critical because without it, prosecutors have what is a circumstantial case.
34:06If the judge doesn't allow this in, there is a chance that a jury could find Rex Heuerman not guilty
34:13because of it.
34:14If this is all tossed, if the judge says, look, it's just too new to bring into this trial,
34:19I mean, that's going to be really damaging for the prosecution.
34:26Breaking news out of Long Island.
34:28A judge making a major ruling surrounding DNA evidence in the Gilgo Beach murder case.
34:34Okay, thanks everyone for coming. We received the decision. The court's decision is that the question
34:42hairs with regard to the nuclear DNA testing that has been deemed admissible by the court.
34:50This decision marks a significant step in forensic DNA analysis. The science was on our side,
34:59and that's why we won. Could you say anything about the trial?
35:04This was very aggressively and effectively litigated. We're hurtling towards the trial stage.
35:12How did Rex Heuerman react to this decision which would allow the nuclear DNA to be used as evidence
35:17against him? He was disappointed. We believe it's not scientifically reliable, but the judge has issued
35:24a fried decision saying this is acceptable. We don't like it. We don't agree with it.
35:29But he's the umpire. Mike, do you anticipate him taking a plea?
35:33A plea? A guilty plea.
35:35I stood in front of you folks from day one. Everything we're doing is catered and directed
35:39towards a trial. So what we do is we fight. He has maintained that not guilty plea. We go for
35:45it.
35:47All right, guys? Okay, thanks.
35:50Even though Mike Brown said today, there's no plea deal. And I think that that was a legitimate,
35:55genuine response. You never know what is happening in a case. This decision today was a huge blow to
36:06the defense and a big win for prosecutors. Can you speak for the victims' families? How are they
36:13feeling today? I think they're feeling relieved and I think they're happy and pleased with the decision.
36:18And I think these families understand that while their loved one isn't here,
36:25they potentially have who was responsible for hurting them.
36:31now begins the process of holding that alleged person accountable and to be a witness to this
36:39process, to justice.
36:44A lot more is going to come out in the trial, isn't it?
36:47Yeah. I think the DA's releasing this level of evidence to rattle this cage and to, and hopefully
36:53to prompt a plea deal. That's what I hope for, because I hope the families don't have to go through
36:58the emotional tumult of a trial.
37:03There were people behind the scenes for a number of years working on this investigation to try to bring
37:10them justice. And I'm glad that there's finally progress.
37:17But we still have a ways to go.
37:23We have victims where there are no suspects that have been charged with those murders.
37:28And those investigations remain very active and ongoing.
37:35When I said I wanted to practice law to a cousin of mine who was a lawyer in Philadelphia,
37:41he said, why? I said, because I would like to help win justice. He said, there's no justice.
37:50All you can do is mitigate the injustice.
37:58We've helped to remove some of the fear against the powerful person who has hurt them in their
38:05lives. And now the fear is on the other side. The fear is on the side of the perpetrator,
38:12because the fear is now he doesn't know what the survivors are going to do.
38:31So that they're not afraid to report something bad, so that they're safe from those kind of situations happening.
38:49I think that there is still a pattern of behavior in law enforcement who I have the utmost respect
38:56for. But I do think that there is dismissing that still goes on with women who disappear.
39:05The family members and the friends who went to police made a fatal error that shouldn't be a fatal
39:11error. They told them the truth. They told them what these women did. The second that law enforcement
39:19hears that these women have issues, their cases get pushed to the side for the cases of the wealthier,
39:29the more put together, the ones of the families that have the ability to pay for lawyers.
39:38And I think there will always be questions about things that we may not get the answers to,
39:47like Shannon Gilbert. I'm not sure that we will ever know the truth about Shannon Gilbert.
39:55I can definitely tell you, over the years, I have gotten so cold because of this. The stuff I've heard,
40:05it just, it makes you cold. It does.
40:13Every person that walks in and says, I'm worried about where she is, should be treated as if it was
40:20the officer's own sister, mother, aunt, cousin. I hope that the department, and I think they have,
40:30has learned some lessons about what works and what doesn't work. Look, this idea of a task force is,
40:36it's so smart. I mean, I would love to see more investigations like this.
40:44Part of our motivation was we wanted to let everyone know that the lives of these young women
40:52mattered and that if you engage in this type of conduct, eventually you're going to be held to account.
41:00I definitely want people to be held accountable for my sister's death and not just my sister,
41:10but as far as this happening to other women.
41:16This isn't just about murder. This has roots deep in the culture
41:24and how some men see women. Women in this country and in this world are not safe.
41:30It's not just in that kind of work. Women are not safe.
41:38Maureen was a mother of two amazing children and they will forever be without their mother.
41:45I think that these victims, family members, are standing up. Becoming fighters for change for other women.
41:56Amber would have accomplished her goals. She wanted to work when I was. She wanted to be a veterinarian.
42:02Maureen, she was a good mother. She would definitely be proud of her daughter and her son.
42:08Melissa would have been 39 years old this year. She should have been able to get married.
42:15She should have been able to have children. She should be here to share her laughter and her love.
42:23The whole world deserved more of her. I'm sick and tired of being angry.
42:32I always say first we cry.
42:36And then we fight.
42:51We're out.
42:52I can't wait until we kill you, but we ask another Tonight comes.
43:01We say the night tonight.
43:01We're out.
43:05We're out.
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