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00:06all right my last question
00:09if you were a tool or an object to bring your business to greater heights what would it be
00:21that's an interesting question i know because for what i do we have to have so many tools in
00:28the toolbox just one just one just one i have one tool that's pretty much used in almost every job
00:35and it's actually a cabinet maker's hammer oh okay cabinet maker hammer okay it is
00:43persuasive enough when i need to persuade something not someone something
00:51sometimes i have to be the heavy framing hammer other times i'm the lightweight hammer just to
01:01nudge things along all right i guess it's a hammer we got it selfie time selfie time
01:09you're fast ready one two three ah can you spy that is
01:34because this case gained such notoriety i knew that it would be very easy for the person who
01:40perpetrated these crimes to utilize the internet to try to figure out what we were doing so
01:45that's why i was very quiet i didn't show up on gilgo beach with the big magnifying glass and talk
01:52about all the things we were going to do because i wanted the perpetrator to think that it was business
01:57as usual we were spinning our wheels we weren't making any progress to maintain that investigative
02:05secrecy not everybody in my office knew what we were doing not everybody in the pd
02:09or the fbi it was just the members of the task force
02:17we had our first task force meeting february 1st and i think march 14th of 2022 was when
02:23rex yurman was was identified as a suspect for the first time there was a new level of energy
02:29injected into this task force they were finally starting to see some meaningful movement on this case
02:37but what we think doesn't matter as prosecutors it's what we can prove
02:44so we would just work to try to establish more connections to those murders
02:56so we were surveilling him for a number of months
03:04they tracked where he went they tracked him on the train the la double r they tracked him going to
03:08his office in midtown for the most part his activity was business as usual
03:18he would go to work and go home that is nothing that is in any way atypical
03:32but we saw within a very short period of time rex buy a prepaid phone which we confirmed on the
03:41camera
03:42remember the killer used the burner phones so now we looked at the phone in his name and what was
03:49the
03:49activity and was it consistent with the times when burner phones were being utilized and it was
04:00that was arguably one of the most significant points in this investigation
04:08there was this tension because we knew through his use of burner phones that he was continuing to contact sex
04:14workers
04:16that's obviously concerning but you still don't have enough evidence to prosecute when you looked at
04:24the original crime scene there wasn't a lot of evidence but what we saw was these five question
04:29hairs of interest discovered in december of 2010 with the gilgov four there was one that was recovered on
04:40amber costello and then there were three question hairs obtained from megan waterman
04:50and then hair that was recovered from the belt buckle of maureen brander barnes
04:55the hairs found on the victims were not a match to the victim nor any other profile within codis
05:02the hairs belong to an unidentified male of caucasian descent as well as three different females
05:12we need more dna profiles to compare against maybe these hairs would be associated with the suspect
05:23the task force obtained dna samples from the suspect's house
05:34so we were able to develop four genetic profiles off of bottles
05:40those genetic profiles were for family members who lived at the residence in massapequa park
05:48the suspect was married they had a biological daughter and she had a son who was unrelated to the suspect
05:57and now you have to actually see them discarding things that they eat or drink
06:02and then get the dna sample so you know for sure that you have the right profile
06:10it was painstaking because you're still trying to keep the suspect in your sights do the surveillance
06:16obtain this evidence but you don't want to blow the investigation
06:25one day rex comes out of the office and he throws away his a box of pizza i just loved
06:32hearing this
06:32because it's just good old-fashioned detective work right the detective was standing there blending in
06:39with everybody else in new york city went over got the pizza box and therein was a piece of crust
06:45and he went and they took that pizza crust and they ran it
06:51when i read it i realized it sounds like we have a match here
06:56and then i started calling people in i said read this
07:00and we all agreed it was on
07:06we had enough probable cause to arrest rex yurman
07:17for a myriad of reasons we had decided that we wanted
07:21to arrest him in midtown manhattan coming out of his place of business
07:31and we had enough to arrest him in midtown manhattan
07:33it was exciting it was uh scary um because you know what this person was capable of
07:46so you know you really worry about keeping people safe
07:59and
08:04uh
08:07uh
08:08uh
08:11uh
08:13uh
08:29We got him!
08:30All right.
08:33What's happening?
08:36It's not easy when you go into a case
08:38and you are looking for that needle in the haystack.
08:42There were tens of thousands of hours
08:45placed into this investigation by Suffolk County Police,
08:49the FBI, the District Attorney's Office,
08:51the Sheriff's Department, the state police.
08:53That task force was, in my opinion, a game-changer.
09:02For 13 years, the public has been just so fascinated by it
09:07and law enforcement has been confounded by it.
09:10There has finally been an arrest.
09:12A Massapequa Park man charged with the murder of three women.
09:16Rex Hureman stayed silent
09:18as he walked out of Suffolk County 7th Precinct
09:20to face a judge on Friday afternoon.
09:23My friend, she called me.
09:25She was like, are you watching TV?
09:27I was like, no, why?
09:28She's like, your exact description of an ogre,
09:326'7", 350-pound man.
09:34She's like, he's being arrested right now for Amber's murder.
09:39I've seen what that motherfucker looks like.
09:42Sorry, but that's being nice still.
09:45And he looks like an AI-generated version of Grimace if he was a human.
09:55The first time I saw pictures of him, I was like, wow, what a monster.
10:01It's huge.
10:03And these girls are all so tiny.
10:05And then the scenarios started coming in my head of this accused's big body
10:14and her, she's so tiny.
10:17And now I have those nightmares in my head on top of everything else.
10:24If this is the person, it's going to save a lot of lives.
10:29No other girl is going to get hurt the way our girls got hurt.
10:37Our hope is that those families are experiencing some level of comfort
10:42and some level of relief,
10:43knowing that the person responsible for their loved one's death
10:47is now being held responsible.
10:51It was later on that day,
10:53they came out with the truck
10:55and it was just like, holy shit,
10:57they had that, you know, everything for 13 years in front of them.
11:00They just never used it.
11:05If it comes out that this guy's been killing girls
11:09since they could have had him in 2010,
11:11that's what bothers me.
11:13That's what's going to cause me to lose sleep.
11:16I love it too.
11:22Kristen Thorne is live outside the home
11:24where neighbors were shocked to learn of today's arrest.
11:27Sade, this is sort of the place to be on Long Island right now.
11:31When I come down with my car to drop my wife off,
11:34I see him walking.
11:36Looks like every other American type person, I guess.
11:40I saw it on Facebook this morning and I was at work
11:44and I was just like, listen, I got to take some personal time.
11:47I got to go down here because this is a big case.
11:51You know, we got to see how it plays out too.
11:53We're talking about the Gilgal 4,
11:54so you all know that's not the end of the story, right?
11:59I was at work watching it on TV
12:02and just joking fashion to the guys.
12:06I was just like, hey, you know,
12:08I probably went to high school with them.
12:09And I found out about three hours later
12:13that they named the suspect,
12:15and it was Rex Hoyerman.
12:19We went to the same schools growing up.
12:22He was more of a recluse.
12:25He was very introverted, very skinny and tall.
12:30You know, we would bully him.
12:34You know, we used to call him Herman Munster.
12:38And he never bullied anybody, you know?
12:41He wasn't that type of person.
12:46When I saw his house, I was more surprised
12:49because I thought maybe being an architect,
12:51he would do something a little nicer.
12:54This is a very nice neighborhood,
12:56and the house does stand out.
12:59Most of the people in the neighborhood
13:01didn't want to be close,
13:02and mainly because of the condition of the house
13:03and stuff like that.
13:05Because he's an architect,
13:06for you to have a house like that
13:07in a neighborhood like this, on this block,
13:10how come you haven't done your house?
13:12You go down the street,
13:13normal house, normal house,
13:15serial killer, normal, normal.
13:17You know what I mean?
13:19You know, then we started hearing from neighbors
13:20like that was the house they told the kids
13:22at Halloween don't go to.
13:26The condition of the house was very cluttered.
13:29We found a large number of electronic devices,
13:32phones, laptops.
13:34We found 116 or so handguns in the house
13:38and about 163 long guns.
13:42And if you look at the profile,
13:44here's an individual who hunts,
13:45an individual who targets shoots.
13:47The main reason why we wanted to arrest the defendant
13:50at his place of business rather than his home
13:53was we wanted to avoid those guns.
13:55You know, and then, of course,
13:57we're also looking for trace evidence,
14:00you know, blood, hair, stains.
14:03When Rex Hurman is arrested,
14:05we're all rushing to figure out,
14:07who is this guy?
14:08You have to remember,
14:10this is years of not knowing
14:13who the Long Island serial killer was.
14:15And now we have a name.
14:20I was doing legal research on my computer
14:23and I saw the name Rex.
14:25And I thought,
14:26not a lot of Rexes,
14:28but okay, there's another Rex.
14:30And then I saw his last name.
14:32And then I saw an architect.
14:34And then I saw a serial killer.
14:36And I thought I was hallucinating.
14:39This was impossible.
14:40And then I saw his mugshot.
14:45I thought there's no way that's him.
14:47Like, oh, there must be another Rex Hurman.
14:49It's so crazy that there are two Rex Hurmans.
14:52And then I was like, no, that's him.
14:54That's like his face.
14:55Like, and also there aren't two Rex Hurmans.
15:00I just couldn't believe it.
15:01I thought somebody had just played a joke on me.
15:05There's no way.
15:07I was 26 years old when I started working with Rex.
15:10He's a pretty girl,
15:11but he just tells jokes and never hit on me.
15:15To me, he was never a scary person
15:19or anyone you should ever fear.
15:23He was a licensed architect.
15:26There were mostly women working in the office,
15:29usually one to two other architects.
15:33And then he had, you know,
15:35a handful of people who helped him
15:37really grind out the work.
15:41When I worked for him,
15:43my job was to be his assistant.
15:46The office was a disaster area.
15:50It was a mess.
15:51There were blueprints all over the floor.
15:54It was dirty.
15:57So I spent the day cleaning.
16:00Inside his own office,
16:03you know, he's the main event.
16:06He doesn't have a very high emotional intelligence.
16:10He can't read people very well.
16:13But I can't envision him being a killer.
16:17I just think he's so large and bumbling.
16:21You know, I just can't imagine it.
16:23No.
16:25Like, he's this kind of lumbering guy
16:28who shuffles around.
16:29You don't look at him and think,
16:31here's the most agile, fearsome,
16:34killer.
16:38I am a survivor of sexual assault.
16:42And my guard is totally up
16:47most of the time.
16:49And he didn't even register on my radar.
16:54I'm trying to reconcile
16:56why I didn't take better care of myself
16:59or how could I have not known, you know.
17:03But I think no one could have ever known
17:07those girls never had a chance
17:12because he tricked them
17:15just like he tricked everybody else.
17:19Here we had a killer who was hidden
17:21for all these years.
17:23And so far, we believe that we've got him.
17:31When he was first arrested,
17:34his lawyer told the media
17:36that Rex was crying,
17:39he was very upset,
17:40that he said he had nothing to do
17:42with any of this.
17:43He didn't even know these women
17:46and that he didn't know
17:49any of what was going on.
17:50Official site DNA and cell phone data
17:52is evidence alleging used burner phones.
17:55Defense attorney Michael Brown
17:56calls the evidence circumstantial.
17:58I don't believe everything the government says.
18:01Do you believe everything the government says?
18:03The press has convicted my client
18:05without seeing a shred of evidence.
18:07So he doesn't stand a chance with the press.
18:10And we're not going to try the case in the press.
18:13I doubt that any one of you for a moment
18:15have even contemplated the possibility
18:17that they have the wrong guy.
18:19The government is looking to convict my client.
18:22What has my client told me?
18:23He told me he didn't do this.
18:28So am I starting?
18:29Am I leading on?
18:31Ray Tierney wants the buck to stop with him.
18:34It's like the biggest case of the century, right?
18:37If anything goes wrong with this prosecution...
18:41The indictment of defendant Rex Andrew Heerman,
18:4559 years of age,
18:47for the murders of Melissa Bartholomey,
18:50Megan Waterman, and Amber Costello.
18:53The investigation of Maureen Brainerd Barnes is ongoing.
18:59Maureen Brainerd Barnes was not included.
19:01The reason is they didn't have enough time
19:03to get her DNA into that indictment.
19:06But they felt they had to arrest him when they did
19:09because they could see his activities
19:11in terms of trying to reach sex workers,
19:14and they were worried that he was a threat to public safety.
19:19We've been able to associate
19:21eight or so burner phone accounts to him.
19:25Primarily, those burner phones were used
19:27to speak with a large number of sex workers.
19:31It was, you know, precisely what we've been talking about
19:34all along with this tension between public safety,
19:38grand jury secrecy, and obtaining the evidence.
19:41So we continue to prosecute those three cases in court
19:45while still investigating the Brainerd Barnes case
19:48and the grand jury.
19:49Look, prosecutors do not like to move forward in a case
19:55without having everything together.
19:57Of course, they wanted the four of them
19:59ready to go at one time.
20:01But unfortunately, in this situation,
20:03there was still some outstanding DNA.
20:08So we definitely know that Maureen Brainerd Barnes
20:12had been restrained by three leather belts,
20:18one of which was utilized to tie Barnes' feet,
20:22ankle, and legs together.
20:23And on the belt had the initials W-H or H-M.
20:30W-H are the initials of Rex Heurman's grandfather.
20:35Could be coincidental.
20:38But most importantly, they found on the belt,
20:42one, female hair.
20:47The hair that was recovered from the belt buckle
20:50of Maureen Brainerd Barnes,
20:53that was consistent with his wife.
20:56There is this known phenomenon in science.
21:00It's called transference.
21:01If you live with a person,
21:03oftentimes their hair will get on your clothes.
21:05You'll come in contact with a third party,
21:06and both those hairs could then be transferred
21:09to that third party.
21:11Rex's wife's hair was found on Maureen's body.
21:15Could this be transference?
21:18Or could it be that Maureen
21:21had actually been in Rex's house?
21:25And then you have the people who theorize
21:29that Asa may not be telling us everything
21:33that she knew about what was going on
21:36and may have interacted with some of these women.
21:40She had no idea any of this was going on,
21:42or the allegations were even her husband was a suspect.
21:45She's not a suspect.
21:47She has not been questioned by the police regarding any of this.
21:50It's been extremely overwhelming for her and the children
21:53trying to piece life back together
21:55or what it was two and a half weeks ago.
21:58I think there's still a lot of concern and suspicion
22:02about whether these women were ever in the house.
22:05I mean, there's an incredible amount
22:07of Asa and Victoria's DNA on these female victims.
22:17There's a lot of supposition and noise
22:20surrounding the wife,
22:22but what we've been able to prove conclusively
22:24is during the time of the commission
22:25of these four charged murders,
22:27the wife and the rest of the family
22:30were out of the state
22:32at the time of the commission of the murders.
22:44The first round of charges against Rex Hureman
22:47were for Megan Waterman,
22:49Amber Costello,
22:50and Melissa Barthelome.
22:53Six months later,
22:54he was charged with Maureen Brainerd Barnes,
22:57the fourth of the Gilgo Four.
23:06So, good afternoon, everyone.
23:08Thanks for coming.
23:10We're here to discuss the superseding indictment.
23:12The only change in that indictment
23:14is that we've charged the murder
23:16of Maureen Brainerd Barnes,
23:18which occurred in July of 2007.
23:21It's important that we keep in mind
23:23what this case is about.
23:25Maureen Brainerd Barnes was 25 years of age
23:29when she lost her life.
23:30She was a devoted sister,
23:33devoted mother, devoted daughter.
23:36And this is what this case is about.
23:37This is what this case should be about.
23:41And I went for the press conference
23:43when the asshole was charged
23:45with my friend's murder.
23:51Justice needs to be served.
23:54And I hope he just never, ever sees a light of day.
24:01I'm attorney Gloria Allred,
24:04and today I'm here at the Suffolk County New York Courthouse
24:08with five of my six clients
24:10who were relatives or a friend
24:12of alleged victims of defendant Rex Herman.
24:16They have asked me to represent them
24:18as their victim's rights attorney in this case,
24:21and I'm honored to support them.
24:25Next, I would like to introduce
24:29Nicolette Brainerd Barnes,
24:31who is the daughter of Maureen.
24:35I'm here to speak for my mom, Maureen.
24:37I was only seven years old
24:39when my mother was murdered.
24:41Her loss drastically changed
24:42the trajectory of my life.
24:44I remember she read to me every night,
24:47and now I can no longer remember
24:48the sound of her voice.
24:52For years, it looked like
24:53there might not be charges filed
24:54against any suspect
24:55for the murder of my mother.
24:58While the loss of my mom
24:59has been extremely painful for me,
25:01the indictment by the grand jury
25:03has brought hope for justice
25:04for my mom and my family.
25:08I'm a women's rights attorney.
25:11I've represented 20 victims
25:13of Jeffrey Epstein,
25:14a number of victims
25:16against Harvey Weinstein.
25:19I don't judge people.
25:22Life is a challenge
25:23for every woman I know,
25:26and I understand
25:28what women have to go through in life
25:32because I've lived it.
25:34After I became a teacher
25:35and moved to California,
25:36I went to Mexico
25:37on a vacation with a friend.
25:40And there I met a doctor
25:44and went on a date with him
25:47and ended up being raped at gunpoint
25:51and had nobody who could help me.
25:54I didn't know attorneys.
25:56So I remember when I didn't know
25:58and why I didn't know.
26:01And it just always motivates me
26:04to help win change.
26:10The people who are involved
26:13with the Gilgo Beach case
26:15contacted me
26:16and asked me to help.
26:18I felt that I had the ability to help,
26:22I have the opportunity to help,
26:23and I have the desire to help.
26:27But there's a long way to go
26:31to learn if they're going to win any justice.
26:36It took years to even discover
26:38the bodies of their loved one,
26:41and some bodies have not yet been identified.
26:49The Gilgo Four definitely received
26:53a lot of attention,
26:55mainly because that's where
26:56the investigation has focused,
26:58and because, quite frankly,
27:00they're all identified.
27:01The remaining six victims
27:03attached to this crime scene,
27:04with the exception of Jessica Taylor,
27:07were all John and Jane Doe's.
27:10Every time there is a press conference
27:12on this case,
27:13we ask about these other victims,
27:15and police will only say
27:16they're continuing to do their work,
27:18they're continuing to investigate it.
27:21IDing a body is so important.
27:24It is the first step
27:26that allows law enforcement
27:28to go and try to figure out
27:29who killed someone.
27:30You cannot find out who killed someone
27:32if you don't know who the victim is.
27:36The FBI approached Suffolk County
27:39and offered to deploy
27:40investigative genetic genealogy
27:42in order to resolve the identities
27:44of the remaining bodies.
27:46Jane Doe No. 6,
27:48Fire Island Jane Doe,
27:50as well as Jane Doe
27:51down in Hempstead Lake Park,
27:53Peaches and her baby,
27:55as well as Asian male.
27:58Their DNA profiles
27:59were submitted into NamUs,
28:01that is the national database
28:02for missing persons,
28:04for DNA profiles,
28:05and there were no hits.
28:07So from there,
28:08the FBI used investigative genetic genealogy
28:11to build out the family trees.
28:15And in the end,
28:16the identity of Jane Doe No. 6
28:17was resolved to Valerie Mack.
28:22Peaches, Tanya Jackson,
28:26Tatiana, that's her baby,
28:30and Fire Island Jane Doe,
28:32Karen Vergarda.
28:35And the work to identify Asian male
28:37remains ongoing.
28:39The investigation into
28:41the remaining six victims
28:43is extremely active,
28:44and more active than it's been
28:46in a very long time.
28:49We don't know yet
28:50if Rex Howerman will be charged
28:52with their murders,
28:55but Jessica Taylor
28:56will, in my opinion,
28:59be the most viable
29:00of the remaining victims
29:02to have a suspect
29:03associated with them.
29:05She could be the link
29:06that linked not only
29:08those other victims,
29:10but links back
29:11to the Gilgo Four.
29:13Jessica Taylor's body
29:15was found at Gilgo Beach,
29:17but parts of her body
29:18were also found years prior
29:20in Manorville, Long Island.
29:24Jess Taylor was 20 years old.
29:27She had a rough upbringing,
29:29but a mom that loved her
29:30and two brothers that loved her.
29:33And she fell into the wrong crowd
29:35who introduced her to sex work.
29:40In July of 2003,
29:42her torso was found in Manorville,
29:45and she remained unidentified
29:47for about a year.
29:50Jessica had a tattoo on her back.
29:53The tattoo had been mutilated
29:56in a way to disfigure it
29:58so that it was not reasonably identifiable.
30:03But the medical examiner's office
30:05effectively pushed the skin together,
30:07sent out a photo,
30:08blasted it around
30:08to local police agencies,
30:10and a detective in Washington, D.C.
30:13that had arrested Jessica
30:15the preceding year
30:17recognized the tattoo.
30:18And called Suffolk PD
30:20and said,
30:22I know who she is.
30:33So Jess Taylor's body
30:35was found right about here.
30:38maybe 10 feet set back
30:41right by the tree.
30:45She had been decapitated.
30:47Her hands and her feet
30:50had been cut off,
30:53and she had been posed
30:54to maximize the shock value
30:56and also to increase the amount
30:58of humiliation to the victim.
31:02A neighbor reported seeing
31:04a large Chevy pickup truck,
31:07dark color,
31:08pull into this service road,
31:10stop for a bit,
31:11for maybe 10 minutes,
31:12and then leave around 10.30 at night.
31:15That's when we believe
31:16the perpetrator drove up,
31:18took out Jessica's, effectively,
31:20her torso,
31:21posed it on a medical U-drape tent,
31:26and left her hair to be found.
31:28And from what I understand
31:30from her family members
31:31about Jess,
31:32she would not have gone softly.
31:34She went, she was not going down
31:36without a fight.
31:38She was tortured,
31:40pre- and post-mortem.
31:43She probably inflicted
31:45some degree of humiliation
31:46onto the perpetrator,
31:48and so he inflicted it back.
31:54Her head and her hands,
31:56the remaining body parts,
31:57were found along Ocean Parkway
31:59in March 2011.
32:02Jess's case was crucial
32:03to the identification
32:05of Jane Doe No. 6, Valerie Mack.
32:09She was a 24-year-old female
32:12from South Jersey
32:13who was involved in sex work.
32:18Both Valerie Mack
32:20and Jessica Taylor
32:21had both of their torsos
32:23and other body parts
32:24recovered in Manorville
32:26in 2000 and 2003, respectively.
32:31Jessica Taylor's body
32:33was found on Falsey Manor Road,
32:35which bisects
32:36with Mill Road.
32:37The location of Valerie Mack's body,
32:41they were found
32:42less than half a mile
32:44from each other.
32:46And if you look at
32:47the manner in which
32:48both Valerie Mack
32:50and Jessica Taylor's bodies
32:51were left,
32:52it was very similar.
32:55Both victims
32:56were decapitated
32:56and dismembered
32:57at their arms
32:58below their elbows.
33:02During the course
33:03of the investigation,
33:04it became pretty evident
33:05that it was necessary
33:06that the task force
33:07expanded the search
33:08for victims
33:10after they had a DNA profile
33:12from Rex Hallerman.
33:13They looked for cold cases
33:15going back decades
33:17in Suffolk County
33:18for victims
33:19that may have had
33:20DNA evidence
33:21linking to this
33:23potential suspect.
33:25Sandra Castilla
33:26was one of those victims.
33:31In the early stage
33:32of the investigation,
33:34Sandra Castilla
33:34was a case
33:35that we thought
33:36was of interest to us.
33:38The similarities
33:39between Sandra Castilla
33:41and Jessica Taylor
33:42were so striking
33:43in the way they were left
33:44and the manner
33:45of their death.
33:47So this is the site
33:48where Sandra Castilla's
33:49body was found,
33:50November 20, 1993.
33:53She was not covered.
33:54She was not put in a bag.
33:56She just was there
33:57out in the open.
34:00The official cause
34:01of death
34:01was asphyxiation.
34:04She had multiple
34:05slash wounds
34:06across her body.
34:07Her arms were above her head.
34:09Her legs were spread apart.
34:11Her top was shoved up
34:13above her head
34:14so that it just compounded
34:18the humiliation
34:18of it all.
34:20several of her injuries
34:22from what I understand
34:23were post-mortem as well.
34:25So she's dead
34:26and he's still
34:28defacing her body.
34:35As a journalist,
34:36I advocate on behalf
34:38of women
34:39who had in some way
34:40been brutalized,
34:42in some way
34:43been harmed.
34:45I saw this one face
34:47and something about
34:48the face told me
34:49that if I could not
34:51be sure that she
34:52was Trinidadian,
34:53I knew she was Caribbean.
34:55So I proceeded
34:57to on an investigation
34:59to try to figure out
35:00who Sandra Castilla
35:02really was.
35:05Sandra Castilla
35:06was born in Trinidad
35:08and Tobago.
35:09The family was
35:09by no means wealthy,
35:11but they were also
35:12not impoverished.
35:13And it seemed
35:14that the unit
35:15was a fully functional
35:16and happy unit
35:18and a happy family.
35:20Her mother and father
35:21died in very tragic
35:23circumstances.
35:24Sandra and her brother
35:25were immediately
35:26and instantly orphaned.
35:29And then eventually,
35:31Sandra left Trinidad
35:32for Queens, New York.
35:35The police seemed
35:36to assume
35:36that her lifestyle
35:38was quote-unquote
35:39substantially similar
35:40to the lifestyle
35:42of the other victims,
35:43meaning that she did
35:44interface in some way
35:45with sex work.
35:46There's nothing
35:47that I have discovered
35:48to suggest that
35:50she was a sex worker.
35:52She worked in bookkeeping
35:53and through that job
35:55was in Manhattan
35:56quite often.
35:58There's one suggestion
35:59that perhaps
36:00that he may have
36:01encountered her in a bar.
36:04On November 13th, 1993,
36:07there was a best friend
36:08she had
36:09who was living
36:09in Massachusetts
36:10and she phoned her
36:11in some distress.
36:12She told her life
36:13was not going well.
36:15And her friend suggested,
36:17why don't you just pack up
36:18and come to Massachusetts?
36:19You can stay with me.
36:21And Sandra said,
36:22yes, I will do that.
36:23I want to do that.
36:24And her friend waited
36:26for her to come
36:27and waited
36:28and waited
36:29and waited.
36:30And Sandra never showed.
36:33And about a week later,
36:34received a phone call.
36:37The person was a gentleman
36:38and he said,
36:40he claimed
36:40he was a police officer.
36:42He said that Sandra had died,
36:44her body had been found
36:46and that her friend's
36:47contact information
36:49had been found
36:49on Sandra's person.
36:51And that is how
36:52the contact was made.
36:53And from then to now,
36:56there has been
36:57no further contact
36:58from the police.
36:59Her friend is unsure
37:00whether it was
37:01the police who phoned
37:02or whether it was
37:02someone else.
37:10Sandra Casilla was found
37:12by two hunters
37:13in the area.
37:14At the time,
37:15this area was open up
37:16to hunters.
37:17And a number of the
37:19residences that are
37:20nearby now did not exist.
37:22They weren't here.
37:23So it was a relatively
37:24secluded area
37:26and a decent dumping site
37:28for someone looking
37:29to dispose of a body
37:30to go undetected.
37:35He was really into hunting.
37:37He had been for years.
37:39That was known.
37:40He loved guns.
37:42All types of hunting.
37:45He was a duck hunter.
37:47He went hunting for big game.
37:49He would go to Alaska
37:52to hunt bear.
37:53He was crazy.
37:54He's like,
37:55you're going to set a trap,
37:56you know,
37:57and lie in wait
37:58for this dangerous animal
37:59to come
38:00and then, like,
38:01spring into action
38:02or whatever.
38:07He liked to talk about
38:09going out
38:10and shooting bears
38:11and skinning them.
38:13And he would just like
38:14to watch people
38:18get nauseated
38:19from his story.
38:21What makes it so spooky
38:23for those of us
38:25who knew him
38:25and worked alongside him
38:27at any point
38:28is just that
38:28he's created a world
38:30where he can boss
38:31around a room full of women,
38:35many of whom are,
38:36you know,
38:37on the petite side.
38:38And then on the weekends,
38:40he's allegedly
38:41out hunting women
38:42of the same stature.
38:54We were continuing
38:55to work the case.
38:57As we were doing that,
38:59we were getting back
39:00forensic evidence
39:02from some of the devices.
39:09During the search
39:10of the house,
39:11we found a couple
39:13of laptops,
39:14standalone computers.
39:17There was some evidence
39:19of further searches
39:20with regard to torture porn,
39:22with regard to
39:23monitoring the investigation,
39:25looking up
39:26the Gilgo investigation,
39:27the victims,
39:28the victims' families.
39:34We also recovered,
39:36I think,
39:37the most pertinent
39:37piece of evidence
39:38that we were able
39:40to retrieve
39:40out of unallocated space,
39:42which means it was erased
39:44originally,
39:45but we were able
39:46to forensically retrieve it
39:47nonetheless,
39:48was the planning document.
39:50The task force
39:51discovered a Microsoft
39:53Word document
39:54entitled
39:56HK2002-2004.
39:59We didn't have much
40:00of a conversation,
40:02but, yeah,
40:04he's in a bad place.
40:08This document
40:09shows his intent,
40:13and that intent
40:14is to meticulously
40:16plan and premeditate
40:18the murders
40:18of the victims
40:19in this case.
40:20This document
40:21is unlike anything
40:23I've ever seen.
40:24This guy's an architect,
40:26and he's allegedly
40:28made a blueprint
40:30for his crimes.
40:31He's once.
41:03Oh, my God.
41:31Oh, my God.
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