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03:20Таким образом, мы должны кооперировать для защиты, для здоровья наших людей.
03:25Это означает коммунистерство, коммунистерство.
03:28Эти основные базы, и, конечно, лучше кооперация между странами и меньше национализм.
03:34Дамьян, он говорил Германия.
03:35Германия готова для этого нового задача?
03:38Да, Германия имеет огромное решение.
03:40Мы имеем в виду членов, который всегда сказал, что он хочет быть, вы знаете,
03:43что он хочет быть, вы знаете, что он хочет быть, вы знаете, что он хочет быть европейский членов,
03:45и он еще не понимает, что он работает в мире как, basically, фонд политический членов,
03:51а не усиливает Европу, а не используя его chance, чтобы сделать его additions
03:55к европейской интеграции, как его предыдущие, как его предыдущие,
03:58как его, например, Германия, который, например, не понимает, что они очень маленькие страны.
04:03Sadly, мы часто имеем в виду национальные эгои, которые проводят страны,
04:08которые может остановить Европу.
04:11И есть линия дискрепансия между hard power versus регуляторой power?
04:16Я думаю, что они немного разные.
04:19Регуляторой power often смотрит на интернет-маркет и как компании могут оперировать.
04:24Мы можем, конечно, поговорить о том, что экономическая strength
04:27translates into foreign policy strength, как и так далее.
04:30Возвращение о hard power, действительно,
04:33что Европе able to have its voice heard, basically, across the world as well,
04:38особенно в мире, что становится более инсекурует.
04:40So I think hard power is more questions of, like, what does Europe's military capacity look like?
04:46Do we have one united voice in foreign policy?
04:48Are we even listened to when we speak to partners outside the European Union?
04:52Good point.
04:54That brings me back to this conference in Armenia a few days ago.
04:59Was this the beginning of what we could call global Europe?
05:03I think the most positive and the greatest event was that the Canada Prime Minister Carney was there.
05:09Because what he said was very clear.
05:11We have to cooperate.
05:13We are no superpowers.
05:14But if all the middle powers work together, we can be very strong.
05:18Again, not to be a superpower, but to do everything for the security of our people.
05:24And that brings me, because it was said, I'm pro-transatlantic.
05:27I used to be pro-transatlantic.
05:29But if you listen to Mr. Trump, you are not even sure, does he mean it seriously?
05:34He really wants to take Venezuela as the fifth ever first.
05:37He wanted Greenland.
05:38What else?
05:38He wants Canada.
05:40That's thinking of the 20th century.
05:43It's not about borders.
05:44I mean, Putin is, I mean, of course, he's a war criminal.
05:48But it was stupid enough to think, I have a few more square meters, and then I'm more powerful.
05:52No, it's the brains, it's research, and it's cooperation.
05:57Putin doesn't understand it.
05:58Trump doesn't understand it.
05:59We understand it.
06:00And the Canadians understand it.
06:02So we have to work together, of course, with Canada, with Armenia, because we know there's
06:06a lot of pressure, again, from the Russians against the democracy there.
06:10So global Europe, is that a feasible, reasonable concept?
06:16I mean, first of all, Europe is a continent, so it's difficult to make it global.
06:21I think what Europe shows is that when nations work together, they can be more successful
06:26if they actually transfer some power to a higher level, which is, I think, a great example
06:32also for other regions of the world, if it works.
06:34And that's why it's so important for us to show that this idea that nations can only be
06:38strong if they expand their territory, if they subdue their neighbors, that this is
06:42a wrong notion, and that in the end it's about cooperation and agreements in a house
06:48like this, like the European Parliament, basically a democracy that is a bit supranational.
06:53And I think this is where we need to go.
06:54But our global voice, again, will only be strong if we are a good example of cooperation
06:59and of success.
07:00So the world order is shifting, obviously.
07:03A lot of things are happening that were unthinkable a few years ago, like Sweden and Finland joining
07:08NATO, Norway and Iceland now considering joining the EU.
07:14Is Europe becoming the last beacon of hope, the last beacon of democracy in the world?
07:20I mean, we know there are less and less democratic liberal countries.
07:23And Europe is a hope for many people.
07:27That's the first thing.
07:28And the second thing, that's, again, it's not about power, but it's about our future.
07:34We should talk more about Africa.
07:36If you see how strong the influence of Russia is there, just talk to an African journalist,
07:42and he explained to me how they organize migration from Africa to Europe just to destabilize.
07:49And it's the Wagner Group, you know, they organize it.
07:51They want to destabilize it.
07:52Russia and China.
07:54China is interested, of course, in the raw materials.
07:57Russia to destabilize.
07:58Where's Europe?
07:59And here is one strength of Europe.
08:01If you think about Austria, a small country, even Germany, we don't have a strong, we don't
08:05have a colonial past like the Brits or the Holland or even, of course, France.
08:13So we should be stronger there and explain to them we don't want to grab anything.
08:19We want to cooperation because Africa is very close to us and we should cooperate with them.
08:24Again, it's not about global power.
08:26It's about better life for people in Europe and secure life.
08:30Would we be at this point, Damian, without Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin?
08:36It's true that sometimes, let's say, instability in the world can help us understand how precious our stability is in
08:43Europe and our living standards are good.
08:48I hoped always that Europe would just be a project that integrates further and further, that builds a foreign policy
08:54that is actually coherent and that we understand that this is not a project that is done.
08:59This house here is not readily built.
09:00It's not done.
09:01It's not finished.
09:02It's a hybrid between, let's say, an intergovernmental situation and parliamentary European democracy.
09:09And I think we need to finish the pieces.
09:11I do think that some crazy leaders outside of the European Union are accelerating this process or, to put it
09:16differently, they put in front of us a challenge.
09:19And either we live up to this challenge and actually build a Europe that is able to live in the
09:23future or we will fall apart because we are unable to actually come together as one.
09:29So, Putin and Trump, the drivers of European integration, and are we, in addition to that, are we ready for
09:37this?
09:37Is Europe living up to this ambition?
09:40That's the point.
09:41That's the big question.
09:42I think we've understood it.
09:44But now it's about doing something.
09:46And when I saw Ursula von der Leyen, you know, with Trump and then the shake hands, she should have
09:52known that he doesn't take it seriously.
09:54So, it's not about shaking hands.
09:55It's not about talking.
09:56It's about doing.
09:57So, now with the 25% on European cars, we have to react immediately.
10:04And we know they are soft apart.
10:07And that's the platforms.
10:09You know, that's the reason why Musk is friend and why they're all friends with Trump, because they are afraid
10:16of us.
10:16We could be much stronger against them.
10:19We have to explain to them, if you want to make business here, you've got to follow European laws.
10:25So, we have to be more, not more outspoken, more outdoing.
10:29You know, it's, as Schumann said, Europe will grow in the solidarity of action.
10:37Not of words.
10:38Not of words.
10:39Very good.
10:39Let me stop you here, as we're just getting warmed up.
10:47Now it's time for our viewers to get a real flavor of the European Parliament chamber, where members ask each
10:53other questions.
10:54That means it is time for you guys to challenge each other directly, just as you do in the hemicycle
11:01behind us.
11:01So, let's get started.
11:03Damian, I'm starting with you.
11:05So, the first question to you, Hamid, would be, your party was also in government and promised the United States
11:11of Europe.
11:11What have you done to actually make them a reality?
11:14That's a very good point, because, as you know, coalitions are very difficult to build.
11:20And with the social democrats, conservatives and liberals like us, there are a lot of differences.
11:26But what we have done, we have a very strong foreign minister, and she, her first trip was to go
11:31to Ukraine.
11:32She explained to the Austrians, it's important that Ukraine also defends us.
11:37We were always part, as a neutral country, always part of supporting Ukraine.
11:42And we expressed that and did much more than the others.
11:46So, is it enough?
11:47No.
11:48But there were very important first steps we did take.
11:52Are you happy with this?
11:53I mean, I think the realities are what they are.
11:56It seems like we all, all of us, all the different nations have to do more to actually push for
12:02more European integration.
12:03I think what I'm missing from all the members of the councils of the 27 national governments is to take
12:08actually up the challenge of the European Parliament to change the treaties of the European Union.
12:12So, I was just wondering if there were any initiatives coming.
12:15No.
12:15Short answer.
12:16Going to the past, there was a European Parliament, and you can see it in the Austrian Parliament.
12:20It was the old Reichsrat of the Habsburgs.
12:24And why did it fall apart?
12:27Because of nationalism.
12:29Nationalism first killed Europe and then killed many, many people.
12:33And that's, we have to explain again.
12:35So, I invite everybody to go to the Reichsrat in Vienna and visit it.
12:39There you see a European Parliament.
12:40But you are right.
12:41We have to do more, yes.
12:43Yeah.
12:43I remember François Mitterrand in Strasbourg saying nationalism is war.
12:46Yeah.
12:47The nationalism is la guerre, oui.
12:48I have another question to Damian.
12:50Can I ask another one?
12:52No.
12:52First him.
12:53My question is very simple.
12:56What I hear in Austrian companies is bureaucracy.
12:59There's the Austrian bureaucracy and there is the EU bureaucracy.
13:02What did you do?
13:04And people, and you know, the companies, especially SMEs, they are drowning in bureaucracy.
13:08What do you do for more competition and less democracy?
13:11Yeah.
13:12My dream would be is that we are actually following small entrepreneurs in different sectors to understand how much is
13:18actually communal, how much is regional, how much is national, and how much is European bureaucracy.
13:24And how can we put that on a matrix of, like, the most annoying and most useless ones that we
13:28can actually look at?
13:29What I did personally is that in almost all the laws I negotiated, I tried to include the minimus clauses,
13:35meaning for smaller companies, SMEs, startups that are starting off, that they're excluded from many of the rules that we
13:43write.
13:43Because it's always an issue with regulation that it hits the smallest companies first, because they don't have the big
13:50legal departments to deal with it.
13:51And the second thing that I really want to underline is, because this is missing in the debate, we often
13:56talk about simplification, reducing the regulatory burden.
13:59What we don't talk about is harmonization.
14:02We need to finish the internal market, meaning there shouldn't be any sectoral legislation on the national level stopping us
14:09from growing from one country to the next.
14:10I want startups and scale-ups in Europe to be able to grow across borders as if there was no
14:15border, and I don't think we're there.
14:17Why? And this is something you actually mentioned earlier, because there are hard choices to be made.
14:21And I'm unhappy at the moment, because there's only a fake single market program at the moment in the European
14:27Union, whereas harmonization would be the solution.
14:30One law can replace 27, and we should do that.
14:33And we need a capital market.
14:35This is luckily something I work on in the Econ Committee.
14:38How lucky you are for this.
14:41Now it's your time to ask Hemund another question.
14:44Yes, there's a range of questions.
14:46Maybe I'll start with one on nationalism again, because I had a panel with Robert Menasse, who is an Austrian
14:53writer.
14:53And it was very interesting, because I felt he was much more against the nationalism and the nation-state as
15:00a whole.
15:00He was much more for regional identities, whereas for me, I think there can be regions, nations.
15:06But what's really important is that the European Union functions well as an actual democratic government elected by the European
15:13Parliament.
15:13So where do you stand?
15:14Do you think the nations need to be abolished, or you don't care?
15:17No, that's interesting, because I know Robert Menasse since our Common Times at the University of Vienna, and we discussed
15:22it before the last elections.
15:24And he said, I'm against your program, because we said United States of Europe.
15:28And he said, no, no, we don't need United States.
15:31We only need one Europe.
15:32And I said, you see, in the United States, it's also United States, and there are regional identities, as we
15:39know, between Texas and Massachusetts, great difference.
15:41But it's foreign policy.
15:44It's the dollar.
15:45It's defense.
15:46That's important.
15:47So I think there is sometimes it's a regional identity.
15:51There is also national identity.
15:53I don't fight national identity.
15:55I just want to explain chauvinism.
15:58So one country thinks or one nation thinks they are better.
16:01That's the problem.
16:02Plus, I think that what Robert says is a little bit of a dream.
16:06I think we should think in steps.
16:07And the next step is more likely to be the United States of Europe than only one European state.
16:14All right.
16:15We have heard the views from our guests.
16:17And at this point, I would like to introduce a new voice.
16:25For our quote of the week, let's bring in Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney, who was mentioned already.
16:31He participated in the conference in Armenia.
16:34And here's what he said.
16:35Take a listen.
16:36We're here because of the moral and security imperatives of our cooperation in the Caucasus, in the Baltics, in Ukraine,
16:45across Europe, and also because of the immense potential for our partnerships to build a better, more prosperous, sustainable, and
16:53just world for our citizens.
17:23And I'll close with this.
17:24And I'll close with this advice and start building real relationships, deep relationships with other partners to diversify our trade
17:31away, but just make it more resilient.
17:33But also, yeah, to work with partners on an eye level.
17:37And I think we have the opportunity.
17:38We just need to do it.
17:40And I don't see it happening right now.
17:41It's interesting that this comes from the Prime Minister of Canada, a country of British political traditions and French culture.
17:48What can this country bring to the table?
17:51British tradition, French culture.
17:53And German immigrants.
17:54German immigrants in danger from the U.S.
17:56You know, because what Trump said about Carney and also about Canada is also very important.
18:02So that's probably also part of it, that he thinks cooperation will help us.
18:06But I want to add one more thing.
18:08We didn't talk about migration yet.
18:09When I talked to the Canadian ambassador in Vienna about migration in Canada, they said, OK, we also have a
18:15problem.
18:15So we developed a system that if there is a family coming, we find another family and they have to
18:22be, you know, like a partner family and they have to do something for them.
18:25And I think that's a good idea.
18:26And what I would say is, for me, one of the most important things is Europe.
18:30We learn from each other.
18:31There are some things better in Germany, in France, in Ireland, wherever.
18:35And there's something which is better in Canada.
18:37So if we cooperate as far as that's concerned, if we learn from Canada, wonderful.
18:42And I think if you listen to Carney, you have to love him.
18:44He's wonderful.
18:45Will this new order be rebuilt without the United States, knowing that Donald Trump will not be president forever, Damian?
18:53I think at the moment it's clear that the United States, or at least the president, has no interest in
18:58building lasting, deep relationships with Europe.
19:00It's quite the opposite.
19:02His security strategy says clearly that Europe needs to be dismantled.
19:05Why?
19:06Because it's actually a functioning union of democracies.
19:09This might change.
19:10I'm a transatlanticist as well.
19:12I lived for two years in the United States.
19:14I love the United States.
19:15But it's also true that at the moment we need to understand we have an over-reliance on the United
19:19States.
19:19And we need to diversify our reliance.
19:21Which means more trade relationships with different geographies, more deeper ties with others, a functioning European defence.
19:28And then we can also, of course, we have to also work with the United States as productively as we
19:35can.
19:35But at the moment, with the tariffs that also Helmut mentioned, we are in a situation that is quite negative.
19:40And that might need a friend that is a bit more strict from the European side now, rather than like
19:46open arms.
19:47All right, let's take a break here on The Ring.
19:50We'll be back with more after this.
20:01Welcome back to The Ring, Euronews' weekly debate show.
20:05I'm Stefan Grobe, and I'm joined by two members of the European Parliament.
20:08From Germany, Damian Böselager, representing VOLT Europe, caucusing with the Greens.
20:14And from Austria, Helmut Brandstetter, from Renew Europe.
20:18I'd like to bring in the voices of the European sovereign now, the people who send you here.
20:24It's the latest Eurobarometer polling on the general satisfaction of citizens with the European Union.
20:31And here we see that nearly three quarters believe their country has benefited on balance from being a member of
20:39the EU.
20:39More than half, 57 percent of EU citizens, are satisfied with the way democracy works in the EU.
20:47And 51 percent of Europeans trust the EU.
20:5251 percent trust.
20:53Is that number too low?
20:55Yes, of course.
20:56It is too low.
20:57We are not good enough.
20:58We are not good enough in explaining what we are doing.
21:01But of course also, the democracy is not perfect.
21:04I think the system, that the nation states are too strong, that's a problem.
21:09But the second thing is, we learned a lot about Russian desinformation here.
21:13And there are, you know, the right-wing groups, they are the puppets of Putin.
21:17And they, you know, they say the same things like parrots.
21:21Sometimes their propaganda is better than our truth.
21:24We have to work on that.
21:25So the first question I always ask is, do you think there's stuff we need to do on the European
21:29level?
21:29And everybody says something, you know, defense, internal markets, climate, whatever is on their minds.
21:36They understand that we need to cooperate.
21:38And then I ask, how would you like to cooperate?
21:41Do you think it should be the 27, you know, national leaders sitting in a room like in the medieval
21:44times?
21:45Or do you think there should be a functioning government?
21:47And a lot of people actually are happy with, you know, a functioning government.
21:51And we actually have one number in the Eurobarometer, which you didn't mention,
21:54which is that there are 90, I think it's 80-something percent of people, you can fact-check,
21:59they want more European integration, they think we could actually do more on the European level together.
22:04So how does it work with the mistrust number that you have just mentioned?
22:07The truth is not, I think, that we're not explaining well enough.
22:10The truth is that around 60 percent of the laws are already coming from the European level
22:14that goes through the German Bundestag, for example.
22:17But people don't know.
22:19And the reason for that is very simple.
22:21It's national parties.
22:22So we are actually, it's our own fault as national governments, it's our own fault
22:29that people don't really understand how Brussels works because we're not fixing it.
22:34Helmut, is the European public at large ready for a huge overhaul of sort of Europe's vision?
22:41We mentioned global Europe at the beginning.
22:43I think not yet.
22:44And, you know, there's one reason the enemies of the European Union, they are very strong emotionally.
22:51We are very strong here and they are here.
22:54We have to be way more emotional about Europe.
22:58Of course, it's not always talking about the past.
23:00But, you know, the generation of my father or his grandfather, they were in the war or in resistance.
23:06They had to fight for their life.
23:07We live in peace here together.
23:09So we are not strong enough to explain how great emotionally this Europe is, that it's never been before.
23:16And today we can live here, we can discuss, but we don't, there's a war between France and Germany, Austria.
23:23It's impossible.
23:25But emotionally, we are not good enough to explain that.
23:28Is that right?
23:29No.
23:30I think now we can actually debate, you know, because there's one question, you know, is it,
23:34are we not doing a good enough job as Europeans explaining to everyone what's happening?
23:40I don't think, honestly, I don't think it's on us this time.
23:43I, you know, like when my grandfather and your father's generation basically started to build the European Union,
23:49they were starting in a moment of hate towards each other, of hate.
23:53So they didn't have the emotions to carry this project, but they understood as leaders,
23:58especially the political leaders, that they need to explain this and that they need to make this happen.
24:02I don't see a single European leader, being like the national leaders,
24:07currently making the step of explaining why Europe needs to integrate further.
24:11So I don't think, very clearly, I don't think we can defend the status quo.
24:15We shouldn't even try saying like this hybrid between national and European.
24:19No, we should actually say there's a vision of where it will go and we will fix the issues.
24:22Let me, on this emotion, and I think this is a very powerful point.
24:27Hate certainly is an emotion, but reconciliation is also an emotion.
24:32So are we not emotional enough? And that was his point.
24:36I feel that like saying we somehow need to convince the hearts of the people,
24:40while at the same time national petitions constantly lie about what's happening in Europe,
24:45while citizens are not being properly informed about what's happening in Europe,
24:49while people hate like the idea of front of line because she's not elected by them.
24:54I think this is an uphill battle that we will not win.
24:56We need the national level.
24:58She was elected. She was elected by the European Parliament.
25:00Who was elected by the people, right?
25:02Like Mr. Merz.
25:03But the issue here is that she did not campaign, neither for the first time nor for the second time,
25:09as the lead candidate of her party.
25:11People didn't have the feeling that they can change.
25:13So what is important in elections?
25:14The feeling of being able to change the future.
25:16This is something that people do not connect.
25:18They vote for a regional party in Germany for the European Parliament elections.
25:23That's absolute bullshit.
25:24That makes no sense.
25:25Now it's time to move on to our fifth and final round.
25:32You want to do something different here.
25:34I'm going to ask you a set of questions and you can only answer with yes or no.
25:40Okay.
25:42Damian, has Europe for a long time confused moral leadership with geopolitical power?
25:50No.
25:53Yes.
25:54Yes.
25:54Should Europe create a joint European army?
25:57Absolutely.
25:59Yes.
26:00By the way, in what language is that army going to operate?
26:04English.
26:07Just a thought.
26:09I mean, which language are we speaking here?
26:11Should defense spending rise above 3% of GDP across Europe?
26:18At the moment, it seems necessary, yes.
26:21Look, if we would actually pool the money, we would have much more and we could potentially spend less.
26:25But we are spending it very inefficiently.
26:27Okay.
26:27Is the EU currently capable of acting as a true global power?
26:32No.
26:32No.
26:34Has Europe become too risk averse to act like a great power?
26:39Yes.
26:40We never tried.
26:42Okay.
26:45Will Canada join the EU someday?
26:47I absolutely hope so.
26:50I hope so.
26:52I hope so.
26:52Okay.
26:53And in European elections, should voters across the EU vote for any candidate anywhere they like?
27:00Yes.
27:02There should be list elections, so no.
27:04No.
27:05No.
27:05No.
27:05So, I could not vote for somebody I like in Italy, for example.
27:08Look, there should be two votes, one for a European list for the party you like and one for a
27:12regional representative.
27:13So, it's a bit of a yes-no.
27:16Okay.
27:17That final answer brings us to the end of this edition of The Ring.
27:20Thanks again to Damian Böselager and Helmut Brandstetter.
27:24Thank you.
27:24Thank you for a very interesting, lively conversation here from the European Parliament.
27:29Thanks to our audience at home.
27:30If you like, you can continue the conversation by sending us your comments to thering at euronews.com.
27:37That's it for today.
27:39I'm Stefan Grobe.
27:40Take care and see you soon here on Euronews.
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