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00:03From the most trusted journalists at Comedy Central, it's America's only source for news.
00:10This is The Daily Show with your host, Desi Linus.
00:28Welcome to The Daily Show. I'm Desi Lydic. We've got so much to talk about tonight.
00:32The State of Our Union is rated R, Democrats take a protest nap, and the MyPillow guy has
00:38a news channel that's even shittier than his pillow. So let's get into the headlines.
00:47Last night, Donald Trump gave the longest State of the Union address in history, just
00:52beating out Harry Truman's performance of the vagina monologues. But honestly, it didn't
00:58feel long. It felt endless. That's because I wasn't sleeping through it, unlike some people.
01:05It's how it gives Americans the chance to see clearly what their representatives really believe.
01:11The pillar of the American dream that has been under attack is home ownership. With us
01:17tonight is Rachel Wiggins, a mom of two from Houston.
01:21Well, who says Democrats are woke?
01:25They were just honoring Black History Month by also having a dream.
01:29But let's not focus on length. Let's focus on girth, by which I mean the content of the
01:35speech. Mr. President, what is your message on the State of Our Union?
01:40Our nation is back. Bigger, better, richer, and stronger than ever before.
01:47This is the golden age of America.
01:52Oh, OK. That's great news.
01:55I actually think an optimistic, uplifting State of the Union might be just what the country needs
02:00right now. Let's hear more about this golden age.
02:04Drug lords, murderers all over our country.
02:07Killed and maimed thousands. Ambushed and shot in the head.
02:11Shot violently in the head.
02:14One bullet after another.
02:16Violently and viciously.
02:17We're talking about the edge of death.
02:22Which part of this is the golden age?
02:25Can we just get back to the uplifting optimism?
02:28Gushing blood, which was flowing back down the aisle.
02:31Viciously slashed. Bleeding profusely.
02:34Blood all over.
02:36Shredding his leg into numerous pieces.
02:38Unbelievable what's happened to his legs.
02:42Oh, my God.
02:44The violence.
02:45Was this the State of the Union speech or a Quentin Tarantino movie?
02:49All that's missing is Uma Thurman's bare feet.
02:55Close enough.
02:57Look, there's nothing wrong with honoring Americans who have been through tragedies,
03:01but we used to have presidents who could do that without sounding like a six-year-old dismembering
03:05his G.I. Joes.
03:07Now, the speech wasn't just two hours of Donald Trump traumatizing America.
03:11One reason that the speech went so long was because Republicans kept interrupting with applause
03:16breaks, which Trump would just bask in, rotating back and forth like he was stuck on oscillating fan mode.
03:26Guys, uh, he's stuck.
03:27How do I, how do I get him back to regular?
03:29Push or pull?
03:30Do I push or do I pull?
03:31Oh.
03:33But the Democrats stayed seated almost the entire night, and you could tell it started
03:38to get under Trump's skin.
03:39How do you not stand?
03:40How do you not stand?
03:42You should be ashamed of yourself not standing up.
03:45You should be ashamed of yourself.
03:47Look, nobody stands up.
03:48These people are crazy.
03:53Mr. President, I will have you know that the Democrats are not standing because they are
03:59outraged by your tyranny and lawless behavior, and also, they are asleep right now.
04:05Shh.
04:07Shh.
04:12You know, Mr. President, let's forget about the golden age and yelling at Democrats for
04:17not applauding you.
04:18Why don't you just focus on telling us the state of the union now?
04:22Here with us tonight is a group of winners who just made the entire nation proud.
04:28The men's gold medal Olympic hockey team.
04:32Come on in.
04:37Oh.
04:38Okay, great.
04:39Nice to give the hockey team a shout out.
04:41All right, give a wave and smile.
04:42They got strip clubs to get to.
04:45But now that we've gone through that, back to the State of the Union.
04:48I will soon be presenting Conor with our highest civilian honor, the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
05:00Okay, great.
05:02Didn't need to do that here.
05:03But sure, one quick award.
05:04Let's not turn this whole thing into a big award show.
05:06I will ask the First Lady of the United States to present Captain Royce Williams with his Congressional Medal of
05:14Honor.
05:14Present Chief Warrant Officer Slover with the Congressional Medal of Honor.
05:21I am now awarding you the Legion of Merit.
05:25It's called the Purple Heart.
05:29Wow, he didn't just give out one award.
05:31He gave out all the awards.
05:33Guess the state of our union was come on down.
05:37Now, you could be cynical and say that it seems like Trump has so few accomplishments of his own
05:42that he was trying to draft off of the actual heroism of other people instead.
05:46But, hey, at least he's giving awards to other people for a change instead of demanding that they give one
05:51to him.
05:52I've always wanted the Congressional Medal of Honor, but I was informed I'm not allowed to give it to myself.
05:57And I wouldn't know why I'd be taking it, but if they ever open up that law, I will be
06:02there with you someday.
06:04Yep, there he is.
06:06Just can't help himself.
06:08Trump would have asked for the Purple Heart, but his doctors told him that he had one already.
06:13For more on last night's address, let's go live to Washington, D.C. with Troy Iwata.
06:28You were in the room for the speech.
06:30You had a seat in the gallery.
06:31What was your impression?
06:33Yeah, I guess it was fine.
06:35I don't know.
06:36Some people liked it.
06:38Whatever.
06:39Whatever.
06:40Okay.
06:41What was fine?
06:42Or whatever about it?
06:43Can you just be more specific?
06:45Oh, you want me to be specific?
06:47It was specifically shitty.
06:49Okay?
06:49The whole thing sucked.
06:51Okay?
06:51Go away.
06:53Go away?
06:55Why are you so upset?
06:57Because I...
06:59I was the only one in the entire room who didn't get an award.
07:11Are you happy, Desi?
07:12Like, this is the fourth grade spelling bee all over again.
07:15Troy, what are you talking about?
07:17I spelled the word pigeon with a D.
07:20No, I meant about the speech.
07:22Why were you expecting an award?
07:24Well, I wasn't at first, but then everyone around me started getting awards.
07:28Like, the Medal of Freedom, the Medal of Honor, a Purple Heart, a Bronze Star, and I went home empty
07:35-handed.
07:35Like, what am I, a female director at the Oscars?
07:39See?
07:40They're sad for me, too.
07:43But you weren't there to get an award.
07:45You were there as a reporter.
07:47Well, that's no consolation when everyone around me is getting them.
07:50And for lame stuff.
07:52Like, a guy in front of me was honored for having good facial hair.
07:55And a woman next to me got a medal for her parallel parking.
07:59And then some bitch got a fancy flag just because her stupid husband died in the stupid Korean War.
08:06Like, why can't my husband have died in the Korean War?
08:10Because you weren't born yet, and you also don't have a husband.
08:13Oh, rub it in.
08:15Look, don't let it get to you, all right?
08:17Those awards were just Trump glomming onto other people's glory.
08:22I have glory to glom.
08:24I have so much glory to glom.
08:26I can spell pigeon now.
08:27P-I-G-E-O-N-D.
08:29Damn it!
08:32Wait, that's where you put the D?
08:34Oh, my God.
08:34Oh, my God.
08:35You sound just like Mrs. Lombard.
08:38I'm sorry, but if you care so much about getting an award,
08:41why don't you just enlist in the Army or join a hockey team?
08:44You don't think I tried?
08:46After heated rivalry, I thought I'd be great at hockey,
08:49but turns out, it turns out, hockey is not the part I was great at.
08:55So.
09:00I don't know, Desi.
09:01I don't know.
09:02I guess I'm just not good at anything.
09:03I'm never going to get a medal at the State of the Union.
09:05I'm never going to be a celebrated widower.
09:08Never.
09:09Oh, Troy, I hate seeing you like this.
09:12Can I do anything to help?
09:15I don't know.
09:16You could maybe give me an award.
09:22Sorry, what?
09:23You can give me an award.
09:24Give me an award.
09:26Give me one, Desi.
09:29Give me an award.
09:30Okay, okay.
09:31All right, all right.
09:31Fine.
09:32Troy Iwata on behalf of...
09:34Wait, wait, wait, wait.
09:35I'm not ready.
09:39I'm not ready.
09:43Okay.
09:45Okay.
09:46Troy, on behalf of the United States,
09:48I'd like to present you this presidential water bottle.
09:52Woo!
10:04For...
10:05America's worst speller of pigeon.
10:07Oh, my God.
10:09Oh, my God.
10:15T-H-A-N-K-D.
10:17No, that's enough.
10:19Troy Iwata, everyone.
10:21When we come back,
10:23we discover the latest news mogul,
10:25so don't go away.
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10:48Welcome back to The Daily Show.
10:50Every year, there's more and more reporters
10:52joining the esteemed profession of the news media,
10:55so to find out who some of them are,
10:57we go to Jordan Klepper
10:58in our ongoing segment,
11:00News to Meet Ya.
11:01Woo!
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11:08In today's fragmented media environment,
11:10it can be hard to know which news sources you can trust.
11:14Even I don't always know where to turn,
11:16if only there was some truth-teller out there
11:19that would answer the call.
11:21I'm here today to announce Lindale TV.
11:24We have 24-7 TV with all your favorite hosts.
11:29Yes!
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11:3124-7 news from the MyPillow guy.
11:34It just makes sense.
11:37I mean, you know Mike Lindale,
11:39the former crackhead, current candidate
11:41for governor of Minnesota,
11:43an inventor of the only pillow stuffed exclusively
11:46with shredded lawsuits against Mike Lindale.
11:49Now, you may not have seen Lindale TV,
11:52because you haven't been in a waiting room of a dentist
11:55who uses crystal meth as an anesthetic.
11:58So, let me introduce you to this innovative media pioneer
12:03who lives by a set of core news values.
12:06This Judeo-Christian platform we're going to have here,
12:10it's, they go by biblical principles.
12:12So, in other words, you can't, uh,
12:15you're not going to have porn up there.
12:16You can't say the C word, the N word, the F word,
12:18and you can't use God's name in vain.
12:21What a concept, right?
12:22Yeah!
12:24An amazing concept!
12:26I'm so tired of Wolf Blitzer showing me porn
12:29and calling God a c***.
12:32Now, the elites might tell you
12:34that a pillow company that has been banned from Walmart
12:37has no business in journalism.
12:39But, much like his products, Lindale TV is flawless.
12:44Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Lindale Show here.
12:48Um, Edward, I'm getting that feedback like crazy again.
12:55Can you hear me okay, Vanessa?
12:57I can hear you.
13:00Yeah. Okay. How about now?
13:04I can hear you.
13:06Vanessa, can you hear me?
13:08Hear you.
13:10We can hear you, Mike!
13:13The whole world can hear you!
13:16Or at least the 98 people who have watched this clip.
13:21I can hear you.
13:26You know what?
13:27Lindale TV is so much more than one man in his foyer
13:30aimlessly asking for technical support.
13:33It's cementing its Judeo-Christian legacy with marquee shows,
13:37like The War Room with Steve Bannon,
13:39where MAGA gets its marching orders from a man losing a forever war
13:43with washing his face.
13:45Then, there's famed Trump supporters Diamond and Silk,
13:49featuring Silk and an intro that still honors the legacy of the late Diamond.
13:53And I promise you, this is unedited.
14:06Hey, yo! Drop that beat!
14:10Trump's your president!
14:12He's your president!
14:14He's your, he's your, he's your, he's your, he's your president!
14:17Wow!
14:20That, in memoriam, is a banger.
14:23I mean, I wish it was 2003 so I could download that song as my ringtone.
14:28Trump's your president dot com.
14:30Download the song, use it as a ringtone, add it to your playlist so you can get your boogie-oogie
14:35-woogie on.
14:37Perfect!
14:38It's the classic journalism technique of getting to the who, what, where, and woogie-oogie of the story.
14:45All of it being broadcast from what appears to be Diamond's Wake.
14:49I mean, look at that painting of Diamond, Trump, and Silk tastefully shoved behind an ottoman.
14:59Everything so meticulously arranged by Lindell TV's production designer slash funeral director.
15:05But if you still need more news, there's the Rudy Giuliani Show, which, like Diamond and Silk, also appears to
15:13be hosted by a dead person.
15:15Good evening, this is Rudy Giuliani, and this is the Rudy Giuliani Show on Lindell TV.
15:22Live from death's door, it's Rudy Giuliani!
15:26Jesus!
15:27Ah!
15:32Rudy, what's with the full body brace, man?
15:35Whoa, apparently Lindell TV doesn't offer sick days for a collapsed spine.
15:41But their programming is vast.
15:43There's scriptures and Wall Street, the counterculture mom show, and Maha with Mike.
15:50And, you know what, trust me, this Mike guy is sharp.
15:54Good morning, Maha Nation.
15:56This is Maha Bike.
15:58Oh! Oh!
16:02Did he say Maha Bike?
16:04I missed it by this much, you know?
16:08So, not to go all lamestream media, but I'm gonna have to fact check you on, uh, your own name
16:15there, Michael.
16:16Okay?
16:16Now...
16:18Look...
16:23Sorry, Mike, look, you might argue a network of this caliber belongs nowhere near the White House.
16:29And to that I say, they're already in the White House.
16:33Starting with Lindell TV reporter Cara Castronova, who isn't afraid to hold this administration's feet to the fire.
16:40Will you guys also consider, uh, releasing the president's fitness plan?
16:44He actually looks healthier than ever before.
16:46Healthier than he did eight years ago.
16:47And I'm sure everybody in this room could agree.
16:49Is he working out with Bobby Kennedy?
16:51And is he eating less McDonald's?
16:53Yes.
16:55Quick follow-up.
16:56How does he get those round, sweet Cinnabon ankles, huh?
17:02And hand bruises so taut you could sink a quarter into him.
17:07But despite Lindell TV's trove of magnetic on-air personalities, it's easy to forget the real star of the network.
17:14The ads for Mike Lindell's products.
17:16It's finally here, our second annual mega-sale.
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17:48He's doing a bedsheet ad inside an energy drink ad.
18:00For the man so hopped up on caffeine, he keeps shitting his sheets.
18:05Don't call it quits, reload.
18:09But this is what new media looks like.
18:11It's not so much ad-supported news as it is news-supported ads.
18:15And it might be easy to write off Lindell TV as QAnon QVC.
18:20But, the fact is, they're the ones living in the Pentagon briefing room.
18:24While the traditional news media is dead outside.
18:27If only there was a way to send off those dearly departed reporters with a little bit of dignity.
18:37I'm Jordan Clapper, good night, and seriously, good f***ing luck.
18:45Thank you, Jordan.
18:47When we come back, don't complain to tell the friends who are joining me on the show,
18:51so don't go away.
18:52Thank you all.
19:03Welcome back to The Daily Show.
19:05My guests tonight are best-selling authors of The Anxious Generation and How to Break Up With Your Phone.
19:11They teamed up to write The Amazing Generation, your guide to fun and freedom in a screen-filled world.
19:17Please welcome Jonathan Haidt and Katherine Price.
19:41Oh boy, you got a lot of fans here.
19:44A lot of people out here read The Anxious Generation.
19:49How to Break Up With Your Phone.
19:52Yeah.
19:53I mean, Jonathan, your previous book, The Anxious Generation, really sparked a huge conversation
20:02all over the world about the effects that social media and our smartphones have on our kids.
20:07Talk about what you've observed since the book came out.
20:11Yeah.
20:12Well, so when the book came out in 2024, I'd focused on the effects of social media on teen mental
20:19health.
20:20And so one thing I've discovered is that I grossly understated the damage that's being done.
20:25Because since then we've got a lot more evidence about the cognitive deficits, the inability to pay attention, especially because
20:32of short videos.
20:33There's a lot more research now that short videos truly are rotting brains.
20:38I mean, it's not a joke.
20:39It is truly, well, okay, it's not literally rotting brains, but it is making them work less well.
20:44Totally rotting.
20:44And not the Daily Show short videos.
20:46Correct.
20:46Those are good for the brain.
20:47Those are educational.
20:48All those other garbage videos.
20:50That's it.
20:50Real news is helpful.
20:52Yeah.
20:52And then the other thing that we also know now is that test scores are going down and IQ is
20:58going down.
20:58We didn't know that a few years ago around the world.
21:01So 50 years of progress in education to 2012 ended and now test scores are going down.
21:07And so the damage from this phone-based childhood is far beyond what I said in The Anxious Generation.
21:11That's one of the, that's the downside.
21:13Okay.
21:14Can I give you the upside too?
21:15Please.
21:16By all means.
21:17The upside is that as soon as the book came out, mothers around the world stood up and said,
21:23let's go.
21:24Yeah.
21:25Yeah.
21:30So, so just in the first two years, in the first year we got 40 US states have put limits
21:36on phones.
21:3720 did it right, phone free for the whole day.
21:40Um, Australia is the first country in the world to raise the age to 16 for social media.
21:48And, and in the last, just in the last four weeks, a dozen countries have said they're
21:53going to follow.
21:53So we are at a global turning point.
21:57Okay.
21:58This is good momentum.
21:59Katherine, you wrote a book called How to Break Up With Your Phone and The Power of Fun.
22:04Now you're very passionate about the idea of kids and adults setting aside their phones
22:09to embrace fun.
22:11Explain this elusive concept of fun.
22:15What, what is this?
22:16I have an entire Venn diagram, but I will not go into that right now.
22:20But I would say that yes, I broke up with my own phone.
22:22I realized, oh my goodness, I need to figure out how to fill my time.
22:25And that's how I wrote The Power of Fun.
22:26And what I realized is that the tech companies are promising us and our children that their
22:30products are fun.
22:31But that's actually fake fun.
22:32Because what real fun is, is the feeling that you get when you're with people in real life,
22:38together, totally connected, having a playful experience.
22:42Yeah.
22:42That was fun.
22:46Yeah.
22:46And that happens in real life.
22:48That's exactly right.
22:49And the two of you joined forces to write this incredible book, The Amazing Generation.
22:54I have a 10-year-old at home.
22:55I already gave it to him.
22:57I mandated him to read for a certain amount of time.
23:01But I will tell you that when his time was up, he continued to read.
23:05Yeah.
23:05So you're doing something right.
23:10Talk about, I mean, here's what I love about this book is you really, you don't water it
23:14down for the kids.
23:15You give it to them straight.
23:16You say, if you don't own your life, tech will own you.
23:19What went behind the decision to be so honest and straightforward?
23:24Yeah.
23:25Well, the challenge for us was how to make a version of the book for kids.
23:28And I sure can't write for kids.
23:30And so we put out a, we were looking for a co-author and I'd met, I'd met Catherine apart
23:35from seeing her amazing TED talk on the power of fun.
23:38And it was really Catherine's idea about how to make this a book that kids would actually
23:43enjoy.
23:43And I'm thrilled to hear that your, that your son actually enjoyed it.
23:46Can I just suggest next time don't mandate it, just like put it in front of him and be
23:49a little more subtle.
23:50But anyway, back to Catherine.
23:53All right, don't dad-splain to me, okay?
23:58Just trying my best here.
24:03Should I flip it in his lunch box?
24:05Is that what you do?
24:07Yeah.
24:09So anyway, so, so Catherine figured out how to do, how to put in a graphic novel, how
24:13to put in all kinds of testimonials from, from, from older kids.
24:17And, and the net effect we're here, like you look at the Amazon reviews, kids are reading
24:21it and then they're saying, mom, I don't want a smartphone when I start middle school.
24:23So we're just really thrilled.
24:24And it was Catherine's idea how to do that.
24:26I appreciate that.
24:27But I think that's really what's been so exciting because we were just talking about what is
24:30a win for this book.
24:32And as many people may know, the anxious generation talks about getting phones out of schools,
24:36more independence, free play and responsibility in the real world.
24:39And then having kids not have smartphones till at least high school and not have social media
24:43till at least 16.
24:44Well, the ultimate win is if kids decide that for themselves.
24:46And so that was really the goal of this book.
24:49And we told them the truth.
24:50You know, I think that's why kids are reacting to it in the way they are, where they're, they're
24:54actually making these decisions because they realize we're being manipulated and they don't
24:57like to be manipulated.
24:58And so it's really, it's truly, really exciting to hear from parents and families who feel
25:02like for the first time ever, they're on the same side when it comes to screens.
25:06Yeah.
25:10It was, it was really remarkable to see all of the, all of the feedback.
25:16from young people, from teenagers, from kids, from kids in their twenties who were looking
25:21back.
25:21Were you surprised by the willingness of young people to give up their phones and say, you
25:26know what?
25:26This is what I want.
25:27My life is better.
25:29Well, based on how to break up with your phone, I would say it wasn't surprising when
25:33people actually put their phones down and reconnect with real life that they tend to realize
25:37it is better and that it's actually easier than they had feared.
25:40I think though that I'm, I'm personally very excited.
25:42And I think you'd agreed as just see how quickly the younger generation has accepted
25:47this message and gotten excited about it.
25:49We frame this basically as an invitation to gen alpha, which is the younger kids these
25:53days to join this growing rebellion of young people who are standing up against big tech
25:57and deciding they want to have more real friendship and more real freedom and real fun.
26:01And so it's been really thrilling to see that kids are taking that up and saying, yeah,
26:05that is what I want.
26:06Right.
26:06Yeah.
26:06So if we want our children to put the smartphones down, does that mean that we, the adults also
26:13have to put the smartphones down because that's going to be a deal breaker for us.
26:17For them.
26:18I'm sorry.
26:19For them.
26:21Okay.
26:22I won't do the dad-splaining thing here.
26:24No, it's okay.
26:25I asked for it.
26:26I asked for it.
26:27Yeah.
26:28So, you know, a lot of us, we're, we're using our phones all the time.
26:30We say, but, but mine is for work.
26:32Kids can actually understand that.
26:33They can actually understand that they're different.
26:35They can understand that, you know, maybe you have some habits that are for adults.
26:39The important thing is to structure space and time in your house, because what happened
26:43when these things came in is they're just everywhere all the time.
26:46There is no structure to space and time.
26:48And so you got kids sitting at the dinner table, kids sitting on the toilet, kids walking
26:51out the door, you know, always on the phone.
26:53Put a stop to that.
26:54Make it clear.
26:55There are times when we have these things and there are times when we don't.
26:58So the easiest, of course, are mealtimes.
27:00That needs to be an absolute no phones at the table, even if you want to just check something.
27:03And the other, the most important one of all is no screens in the bedroom after a certain
27:08time.
27:08If your kids are younger, I would actually say, start with the rule, no screens of any
27:12kind in the bedroom ever.
27:13I wish I had done that with my kids.
27:14But of course, you know, going through COVID that, that's the, the habits got formed.
27:17Touch everything, yeah.
27:18So there's a lot you can do to structure space and time that will really convey to your kid
27:22that you don't always have this.
27:24Right.
27:24All right.
27:25Okay.
27:26Um, so here's one thing I want to just bring up because as a parent, I think we see what
27:32the, how the way that screens affect our kids and we desperately want to take them away.
27:36But it can be really challenging.
27:37And sometimes parents feel like they're backed into a corner because their kids' friends all
27:42have phones or the school hasn't done a school ban.
27:44And so you're hesitant to pull your kid in, out and ostracize them from their friends.
27:51What, how much of the onus falls on the parent and the teachers and how much falls on these
27:57tech companies and our leaders to do the right thing?
28:00In any rational world where you had a consumer product that was used by 95% of all children,
28:06that had killed thousands of them, that had gotten to the point where 25% of the girls say
28:12that it has damaged the mental health, that has gotten to the point where Snapchat gets
28:1610,000 reports of sextortion, not a year, a month, at least that was the case in 2022.
28:22In any rational world, if there was such a consumer product, it would have been sued out of existence
28:26or at least made an adult only product.
28:28Mm-hmm.
28:29Yeah.
28:31Of course, we don't live in that world.
28:37We live in a world where wealthy industries can just pay not even that much money to
28:42buy huge amounts of influence in Congress and block anything.
28:45But the states are acting.
28:47The states are much more independent.
28:48That's why we're making so much progress in the states, and the rest of the world is acting.
28:52So I think we're going to win on this eventually.
28:54Uh, and the companies are going to have to bear some responsibility.
28:57Of course, in Los Angeles right now, they're on trial for the first time.
29:00They're facing jury.
29:01You know, thousands of kids are dead, and they've never had an answer for it.
29:05Um, so I think justice will come.
29:07But until then, we all have to play a part.
29:10So parents have responsibilities, schools need to do their part, and the amazing thing
29:14is that now kids are actually rising up and doing their part.
29:16Right.
29:17Yeah.
29:18There's a part of this book that I think is so inspiring.
29:20You don't just approach it in terms of taking something away.
29:23You show what's on the other side of it.
29:25Your life, your childhood, this is what's on the other end.
29:28Explain what the rebel code is.
29:30Yeah.
29:31So, as I was mentioning, there is a growing youth rebellion of young people who have decided
29:35either that they are going to choose not to use these things to begin with, or they've
29:39realized, I have regrets about my own youth, and I want to live a different way.
29:43And they really are rebels because they are standing up against big tech and just going
29:47their own path.
29:48And so we wanted to try to put their philosophy into words that other people could follow.
29:53And so that's the rebel's code.
29:54And the basic idea is to use technology as a tool.
29:57Just don't let it use you.
29:58We're not Luddites.
29:59We're not saying that technology is all bad, but we are all being used by technology right
30:03now.
30:03And then the second part of the rebel's code is fill your life with real friendship,
30:07real freedom, and real fun.
30:08And I think that that's something that's incredibly important for kids, but also for all of us adults,
30:13too.
30:21I'd just like to add on to what Catherine said.
30:23This all makes so much more sense if you stop focusing on the phones and you focus instead
30:28on childhood.
30:29What is a healthy human childhood?
30:30And everybody here who's over, you know, 35...
30:33Oh, not me.
30:34Sorry.
30:35I don't understand.
30:37Sorry.
30:37Can't say that I am.
30:39Don't Google it.
30:40Well, if you had an older sister, she probably went out and played.
30:43Yes.
30:44Yeah.
30:44So...
30:45But if you keep your eye on child, and that's what this is really about.
30:47And that's why I think...
30:47That's why I think your son is going on.
30:50Because it's not just, oh, don't do this, kids.
30:53It's...
30:53Have you ever seen movies that took place in the 80s and 90s?
30:56You ever see kids out having fun, having adventures?
30:58You can have that.
30:59And kids know that it exists and they want it.
31:02Yeah.
31:02Yeah.
31:03What is there...
31:03If there's one piece of advice that you could give to parents right now, what would it be?
31:09I would suggest that in terms of this fear of your kid being left out, which is the most
31:14common thing I think we both hear, to focus less on what your kids are going to miss out
31:18on if you don't give them smartphones and social media, and focus more on what they will miss
31:22out on if we do give them smartphones and social media, which is to say, having a real life.
31:27Right.
31:28Yeah.
31:35And I would say, picking up on what you said before, no parent wants their kid to be alone.
31:39If you do this alone, it is hard.
31:41But if your kid has one or two other friends who are with them, now they're suddenly the kids who
31:45are out riding bicycles.
31:47They're going and getting ice cream while everybody else has to stay under supervision.
31:51So I would say my number one piece of advice to parents is talk to the parents of your kids'
31:56friends.
31:56You surely talk with them anyway.
31:57You've got them on texting and party pickup and things like that.
32:01So find a small group and do it together.
32:04I'm a social psychologist.
32:06The whole key to this whole thing is that we're stuck in a collective action trap.
32:10Anyone who goes out is missing out on the connections.
32:13But if a few of us go out, then they're actually having fun and then others see it and then
32:17they join.
32:18So do it together and it becomes fun.
32:22Excellent advice.
32:23My advice would be to go out and pick up this book.
32:27Amazing dedication.
32:28It's available now.
32:29Jonathan Haidt and Katherine Price.
32:32We're going to take a quick break.
32:48That's our show for tonight.
32:50Now here it is.
32:52People are asking me, please, please, please, Mr. President, we're winning too much.
32:57we can't take it anymore we're not used to winning in our country until you came along
33:03we're just always losing but now we're winning too much and i say no no no you're going to win
33:09again you're going to win big you're going to win bigger than ever sorry
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