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00:18On this episode of Creditor Files, three men attempt to abuse our underage decoys.
00:24Tell me that's not him.
00:26Each have their own way of evading capture.
00:28This is an interesting theme of chess he's trying to play here.
00:31Let's see if he'll move to you.
00:33He's coming. He's coming.
00:34There's somebody on the balcony.
00:36But none of them will escape justice.
00:39Say your hand. Say your hand.
00:41Don't you run.
00:42Get out of your vehicle now. Get out.
00:45There's still part of me that goes, surely not this guy is going to abuse a kid.
00:49But, you know, time and time again, I'm reminded that they come from all walks of life.
00:53It can be anything.
00:54I created SOSA, a non-profit aimed at keeping kids safe from online sex abuse and human trafficking.
01:01Multiple times a year, my team and I conduct undercover operations.
01:05Get out of your vehicle now.
01:06Let me see your hands.
01:07Partnering with law enforcement.
01:09We identify and arrest the world's most dangerous perpetrators of sex abuse.
01:14What's going on? Get out of the ground.
01:15Gunpoint felony. Child prostitution.
01:21These are the Predator Files.
01:27He said seven minutes, six minutes ago.
01:30It's day three of SOSA's undercover operation in Oklahoma City.
01:35So far, the team has encountered dozens of perpetrators and facilitated five arrests of men looking to harm minors.
01:44Tonight, we're at a motel in Oklahoma City, looking to meet a predator we've named the Pacer.
01:53He just asked for a room number. He just asked for a room number.
01:55We have a vehicle that's pulling in. He's on the northeast corner.
02:00This is probably going to be him. Now he's moving towards the middle of the hotel in his vehicle.
02:07He got behind a box truck and I lost him.
02:10He's doing counter surveillance because he's here.
02:13I only see one man with his dogs. He's been out here for a while.
02:18We don't know what he looks like. We don't know anything.
02:25Everybody down. Everybody down. Everybody down.
02:34What are you talking? Does that mean you parked next door?
02:37Yes, he is behind me.
02:43Now he went into the Comfort Inn parking lot.
02:45A car we believe belongs to the Pacer has driven through the hotel parking lot,
02:51past an undercover unit, and into an adjacent lot.
02:54With law enforcement placed elsewhere, we'll have to reposition the team
02:58to confirm that he's in fact the man looking to meet a teen for sex.
03:06Did you get a look at him?
03:08I just saw a black vehicle with a sunroof.
03:13Did he already leave? He bounced?
03:15Well, he pulled into the Comfort Suites parking lot.
03:18All right, so I'll see what he does.
03:22Wait a minute. There's a person walking from the Comfort Suites.
03:26All right. He said, I walk in room and police got me.
03:30Hey, do a video. We'll all get in the bathroom.
03:33Okay.
03:34The Pacer knows that paying a 16-year-old girl for sex is a felony in Oklahoma,
03:39so he's being cautious.
03:41Jordan's plan is to send him a quick video of the empty motel room.
03:45In hopes of convincing him, there's no law enforcement present.
03:58What the hell's more?
04:00Back down in the adjacent lot,
04:04Major Flowers spots the Pacer's car turning out of the lot and towards our motel.
04:12I'm going to try to make my way over there. Hold on.
04:15I'm going to go the back way.
04:19He trails him from a distance.
04:26Yes, there's somebody on the balcony.
04:28There's somebody on the balcony.
04:30A male poking around on the balcony.
04:41He said, I'm here, and I said, where?
04:43I don't want to just open up the door.
04:45Guys, if you look outside your window, you might be able to see him.
04:48Just be really quiet and discreet.
04:52Can somebody in the other room please confirm that you also see him?
04:57He's right by the stairs. Yeah, he's right there by the stairs.
05:00But that's a little bit far from these guys, right?
05:02Let me just get him a little closer.
05:04He's walking opposite to the stairs.
05:06He's walking towards the main office.
05:10Even though we've identified the Pacer, his positioning is key.
05:15If he's too far from our undercover units, he could run, putting civilians at risk.
05:21We'll have to bring him closer.
05:22I take one step out and say, hey, is he far enough where I look young enough?
05:28He's next to the middle stairs.
05:30If you're looking at your door, he's to the right of the stairs.
05:34Do you want me to peek my head out?
05:36Probably just do a quick peek and say,
05:39I'm here.
05:40Don't go.
05:40Don't put your whole body out.
05:41Shut the door.
05:45Hey.
05:48He's coming.
05:53You're good.
05:54Take down.
05:54Take down.
05:56Clear him.
05:57Clear him.
05:59Don't you run.
06:01Hurry up.
06:02Hurry up.
06:03That's it.
06:09This man's behind your back.
06:10Behind your back.
06:11Behind your back.
06:19The Pacer was reluctant to come to the motel door.
06:22Not because he was having second thoughts about sexually abusing a 16-year-old girl, but because
06:28he feared being arrested.
06:33Ultimately, his desires got the better of him, and now he's in police custody.
06:45Does he have his wallet on him?
06:47Yeah, I'm Lieutenant David Cates from the Canadian County Sheriff's Office.
06:49You have the right to remain silent.
06:51Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.
06:54You have a right to talk to a lawyer and have him present with you while you are being questioned.
06:59If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer, one will be appointed to represent you before any questionings
07:04if you wish one.
07:06If you decide to make a statement, you may stop at any time.
07:09Do you understand each of these rights I have read to you?
07:12Have any rights in mind, you want me to talk to me now so you can figure out what's going
07:15on?
07:18Say again?
07:19No.
07:20Okay.
07:20You are under arrest for solicitation of prosecution underage.
07:26That's what you're going in for today.
07:27Do you have any questions before we go?
07:30Okay.
07:34Okay, so a lot going on.
07:37The sex work ad needs to be verified, so you two are going to go ahead and do that.
07:41And then we are going to launch you on kick.
07:45After a successful sting late last night, the team decides it's time to launch a new decoy,
07:51Sadie, played by SOSA employee Oriana Mack.
07:56Sadie's background puts her in a different demographic from our decoys, Everly, Hannah, Jade, Logan, or Ellie.
08:03It's likely she'll attract a different type of predator.
08:06We have the profile.
08:07We're ready.
08:08We have the story.
08:08We have the room.
08:09I think we're going to be busy.
08:11Let's just move quickly.
08:13Stay on top of evidence.
08:15No assistance.
08:16Sadie's profile has been up for just over two hours and multiple ACMs have engaged.
08:23All of them are unique to her profile.
08:25They're men we have yet to encounter on this operation.
08:28A man we're calling the switcher is one of many men who send explicit images to Sadie, our 14-year
08:35-old decoy.
08:36Okay, so I have...
08:38I'm just checking Sadie's.
08:39I know there's been like a lot.
08:40There's like just a lot of different groups here.
08:42Yeah.
08:43Hey, hi, how are you?
08:44Good.
08:45Good, chillin', bored.
08:46I'm so bored.
08:49Wait.
08:51Jordan.
08:52Oh.
08:53Wait, who is this?
08:54We arrested him last year.
08:55No.
08:56That's a c*****.
08:56No.
08:58Are you serious?
08:59Do you remember him?
09:00Like fully went to jail and...
09:04Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
09:05He was one of our arrests February 2023.
09:08Oh, my God.
09:10Our belief is that this ACM is a repeat offender.
09:14Not just someone the team has seen before, but a predator the team has had arrested, who served time, and
09:20is now out of jail, engaging in the same abusive conduct with minors online.
09:26Wait, when did he send these messages?
09:28Today.
09:30Hold on, hold on.
09:31Look.
09:32You have the...
09:32You have the...
09:33Oh!
09:34That...
09:35Tell me that's not him.
09:36Oh, my...
09:36That's absolutely him.
09:37What's the username?
09:38What's the username?
09:39The tattoo?
09:40Yeah.
09:41Does he have a tattoo?
09:42That you can see?
09:43That's not well enough.
09:44Not well enough.
09:45He was convicted.
09:46In 2023, he was convicted.
09:48Ten-year suspended sentence except for two years to serve.
09:51Okay, so he was supposed to be in prison for two years and then do the rest probation.
09:57As a result of our previous sting, the switcher received a 10-year suspended sentence for sending lewd materials to
10:04a minor and was ordered to serve two years in state prison.
10:08But it's only been 12 months since his sentencing.
10:11What day did he get out?
10:12In May...
10:13Hold on.
10:13Is he immediately back on?
10:14Okay, he went into prison in September.
10:17He was discharged just this year.
10:20Look at these pictures.
10:24Okay, I'm checking the sex offender registry.
10:27If you are arrested and go to prison for online child sex abuse, you do not initiate conversations with sending
10:33nudes.
10:34Best case scenario for everybody, he learns age.
10:38He says, absolutely fucking not.
10:40I've learned from my past.
10:42We're going to send a picture and then we're going to discuss age.
10:46We send the ACM a photo and a reminder that Sadie is underage.
10:51This is literally what we hate to see.
10:54Somebody that we have previously arrested get out of prison and start doing the same thing over and over again.
11:00He's typing. He's typing.
11:04We just let him know that she's under 18.
11:06Yeah.
11:07Now we're going to see how he responds.
11:08I mean, I sure hope he left the teen groups after he got arrested.
11:15Whoa.
11:16What?
11:16Okay, he just messaged back on.
11:19Wait, what time?
11:20Real one.
11:21Real one.
11:22Okay, hold on.
11:23At 2.59, we said, when I turn 18, I'm bouncing for real.
11:263.01, do you have snap?
11:283.01, nope.
11:303.01, I want to see your titties.
11:32This ACM is using a tactic common to serial predators, switching between apps during conversations to deny culpability.
11:41This is an interesting game of chess he's trying to play here.
11:44Totally.
11:45We reveal that Sadie was underage on one app and he immediately switches to another app to request nude images
11:51from our 14-year-old decoy.
11:54I think he thinks he's being clever because he is saying that on the platform that she did not reveal
12:00age on.
12:00It seems like he's learned from the past.
12:03He's trying to...
12:03Let's just see what he said.
12:04Have him explain himself.
12:06I'm just hanging out at home.
12:09What are you doing?
12:23As the conversation becomes illicit, the team heads upstairs in case he asks to switch to video.
12:30I think that maybe he thinks there's some subterfuge in going back and forth between apps.
12:34I think it's like a level of trying to have some security.
12:36But what's interesting is that he didn't just block or delete.
12:40He's responding.
12:41He's engaging.
12:42But he's clearly abusive.
12:45And he thinks that he's doing it sneakily under the safety of a screen.
12:50But he only got out of prison a couple months ago.
12:54The team will reach out to the sheriff's office to contact the switcher's parole officer.
12:59Hopefully his actions will have consequences.
13:06Later that night, Jordan and I are on our way to meet a perp who's reached out to Jane, our
13:1216-year-old decoy.
13:14We're calling him Honest Ron.
13:17So how soon is he going to be at Taco Bell?
13:19I think he's on his way.
13:20I mean, he could be here.
13:21We're just not ready.
13:22Major Flowers and his team get into position.
13:25I'm going to Sherman Williams.
13:27Honest Ron, a man in his 30s, has offered $175 for one hour of sex with our 16-year-old
13:36decoy.
13:39It's going to be kind of in a similar spot where we did the guy by Taco Bell.
13:43So that's actually a great spot if you can blend in.
13:46He is 10 minutes out.
13:50Give me a cigarette.
13:51I'm going to sit on that bench and smoke one.
13:55As is often the case with last-minute meets, we don't know what he looks like or the car that
14:01he drives.
14:02He just said that he's about to pull up.
14:04A vehicle approaches.
14:08Without a make, model, or even a face to recognize, we're blind.
14:13If it's him, he's staring straight at the crew, and our entire operation could be blown.
14:27It's a security guard arriving for his shift, but Honest Ron says he's already here.
14:33Where is he?
14:35Another vehicle slowly drives by.
14:38It's so hard because, you know, we have all these cars moving, so the guys probably right on top of
14:42us have no clue what we're looking for, who we're looking for, until they get right up on us.
14:48And it makes it so difficult.
14:53I hate that we didn't have more time to get here and get ready.
14:57It seems like it's so quick.
15:00He could beat any one of these cars.
15:02I asked, what are you driving?
15:09Black cars pulling in.
15:11Moving a little too quickly, though.
15:13Looks like there's two people.
15:15All right, guys, eyes peeled.
15:17Another black SUV.
15:19Small hatchback.
15:21Black SUV, that's him.
15:23I'm waving.
15:24Wait, I just waved to him.
15:26Okay, before we move out on this guy, let's see if he'll move to you.
15:30He's coming.
15:31He's coming.
15:33Wait, wait.
15:35He's going to pull up right in front of Levin.
15:36He's in an Audi.
15:37Here he is.
15:38Hi.
15:39Take him down.
15:46Get out of your vehicle.
15:47Get out of your vehicle now.
15:48Let the door.
15:49Get out.
15:50Go.
15:51Let me see your hands.
15:52Turn around.
15:53Turn around.
15:54Turn around.
15:54Get out on your knees.
15:56Go down.
15:57Go down.
15:58Go down.
15:59Hands out.
16:00Hands out.
16:00Hands out to your side.
16:03Turn around.
16:04Turn around.
16:07Turn around.
16:08He agreed to specific rates.
16:11He wanted to see a minor specifically.
16:13It was a little bit touch and go, but yeah, I mean, all's well that ends well.
16:18All right, come on.
16:22I'm Lieutenant David Cates with Canadian County Sheriff.
16:24Yes, sir.
16:25Want to talk to me now so you can figure out what's going on?
16:27Yes, sir.
16:28Okay.
16:28And what are you doing out here at the IHOP?
16:33Just meeting up.
16:34Meeting who?
16:35The person I met.
16:37Who?
16:38I'm not sure of her name.
16:40Okay.
16:40Okay.
16:41How old did she tell you she was?
16:42She told me she was 16.
16:43Okay.
16:44And what were you meeting up with her for?
16:48There wasn't anything specific that we discussed.
16:50Just to hang out.
16:52Okay.
16:53Listen to me, okay?
16:54Yes, sir.
16:55Yes, sir.
16:55I appreciate you talking, okay?
16:57Yes, sir.
16:58But honesty with me, okay?
16:59Yes, sir.
17:00Because you realize I have conversations.
17:02Yes, sir.
17:03So the more honest you're with me, the better it is.
17:06Yes, sir.
17:06Hi.
17:07Yes, sir.
17:09So what were y'all meeting up for?
17:11It was under the impression of me that we were just hanging out.
17:14I don't think there was anything outside of that that we discussed.
17:17Okay.
17:17So was there ever money discussed of being traded?
17:21Yes, sir.
17:21How much?
17:22I think it was $175.
17:23For what?
17:26Specifically through text, I don't think there was anything outside.
17:30It was just a hangout.
17:31Do you normally pay females $175 just to hang out?
17:38Just not like, I don't, not like kind of under the circumstances.
17:44Right.
17:44Probably not like, yeah.
17:46Okay.
17:47Just to hang out and have a night with it.
17:49Exactly.
17:50Outside of that.
17:50So there was never talk of sex?
17:53No, sir.
17:54With you and her?
17:56No, sir.
17:56Okay.
17:57So y'all were just going to hang out.
17:59Yes, sir.
18:00And you were going to give her $175 to hang out with you.
18:03Yes, sir.
18:03A 16-year-old girl.
18:05Yes, sir.
18:05And you're 37.
18:06Yes, sir.
18:08Does that make a lot of sense?
18:10Under the context of helping out, sir.
18:12I know.
18:13I know.
18:14I understand.
18:16So are you married?
18:17Yes, sir.
18:17Okay.
18:18Got a girlfriend?
18:18Yes, sir.
18:19Okay.
18:20What do you do for a living?
18:21I work in marketing.
18:24So how do you think they would feel if they found out you were meeting
18:26a 16-year-old girl and you were going to give her $175 to hang out with you?
18:32Probably not.
18:33Very good.
18:34Right.
18:34So you see what we're looking at?
18:37Right.
18:37And you see how it looks bad?
18:39Yes, sir.
18:39Okay.
18:40And especially since you drove all the way out here from Oklahoma City
18:43to meet a 16-year-old girl.
18:46Yes, sir.
18:46And I'm going to ask you a question and I just want you to be totally honest with you.
18:49You planned on having sex with her tonight?
18:55Um, I'm just being very honest with you.
18:57I don't think it was an intention, to be honest.
18:58I think it was just a hangout, to be very honest.
19:01So if the opportunity presented itself, though, you would have taken advantage of it, right?
19:07Um, probably if it was consensual, to be honest.
19:10Yeah.
19:11Even though she was 16, which you know is under the age of 18.
19:15I think maybe I'm mistaken, the age of consent in Oklahoma.
19:19Well, the age of consent is, however, how you've met isn't allowable.
19:26You know what I mean?
19:27Understood.
19:27Because the website, the premise of the website, if it was just y'all hanging out legitimately,
19:36yes, the legal consent age is 16.
19:38Yes.
19:39However, under the premise of you paying her...
19:43I understand.
19:44You know what I mean?
19:45I do understand.
19:45Okay.
19:45The way you get it.
19:46Yeah.
19:47That's the difference.
19:48You know what I mean?
19:49Yeah.
19:49Okay.
19:50And just for your own education.
19:52Yes, sir.
19:53Fine girls your age.
19:56I understand.
19:57Because then things like this don't happen.
20:00I understand.
20:01Okay?
20:01Yes, sir.
20:04Was there ever what was going to happen for the 175?
20:09Wait, you're just like, what are your rates, babe?
20:10Yeah.
20:11You do alcohol.
20:11You want to come to me, babe?
20:12Yeah, consent.
20:13That's what I'm looking for.
20:14Yeah, yeah, yeah.
20:15I always panic for a hot second when they seem nice and normal.
20:20Like, did I do something wrong?
20:21Did I not divulge age?
20:22Did I mess something up?
20:23Was this a mistake?
20:24Is this even the right guy?
20:25As long as you consent, that's fine.
20:27How much are you looking for?
20:29Half hour, babe?
20:30Head or full service?
20:31Full service.
20:31So he wants full sex.
20:32Okay.
20:33Outstanding.
20:33And then it is the right guy.
20:35And then it reminds me that, like, they come from all walks of life.
20:38It doesn't matter, like, socioeconomic status or whether they are seemingly, like, nice looking
20:42or conventionally attractive or friendly or whatever, it could be anyone who's willing to abuse a minor.
20:48But he was claiming that he was just under the impression that y'all were going to hang out.
20:53And I asked him if sex was ever discussed.
20:55And then he said no.
20:56Extra sexy for me, babe.
20:57Full service.
20:58He wanted full service.
20:59There's still part of me that goes, surely not this guy.
21:02Surely not this guy is going to abuse a kid.
21:04But, you know, time and time again, I'm reminded that it could be anyone.
21:09Let me ask you this, okay?
21:10You told me earlier that there was no discussion of sex.
21:14And remember, I told you I have the full conversations, right?
21:17So just hanging out, does that include full service?
21:21I do not understand.
21:24Remember, you said you were being honest with me.
21:26Yeah.
21:26And you told her you wanted full service for $175 and you wanted her to wear something sexy.
21:32What's the difference between full service and just hanging out?
21:36To be honest, like I told you, I think it was wherever it led to.
21:40There was the sex discussed for the $175, okay?
21:43Because that's what full service is.
21:45We all know in this scenario, that's what it means, okay?
21:52Solicitation of prostitution underage.
21:54Got it.
21:55He tried to claim originally that it was just to hang out.
21:59Yet, during the conversation with the 16-year-old, he did request full service for the $175 and requested her
22:05to wear something sexy.
22:07Meeting her on a website that is known for prostitution and knowing her age and agreeing to pay her $175,
22:15that's illegal.
22:21We'll see you next time.
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