00:00Para po sa Integrated Bar of the Philippines, may tuturing na grave alarm ang naganap na shooting incident sa loob
00:05ng Senate Building noong Merkulis.
00:07At kaugnay niyan at iba pang issue, makapanayin po natin sa Integrated Bar of the Philippines National President, Attorney Alan
00:13Panolong.
00:14Magandang umaga po, Attorney. Si Maris Umali po ito at live po tayo sa Unang Balita.
00:20Magandang umaga, Maris Umali, at sa lahat ng ating mga televiewers sa buong Pilipinas at sa buong mundo. Magandang umaga
00:28po.
00:28Attorney, alam naman po natin na first time na may mangyaring ganito sa Senado. Pero ano po ba ang nakikita
00:35ninyong implikasyon ng nangyaring gulo sa Senado at ito pong pagtataguna naman ni Sen. Bato de la Rosa?
00:42Well, talaga pong nakakabahala yung nangyari dahil unang-una ang ating mga institusyon tulad ng Senado ay supposedly hindi po
00:53yan na nakakaroon ng ganong pangyayari.
00:56So, nung magkaroon ng shooting incident nung gabing niya on, talaga pong it is totally unacceptable.
01:06Having that kind of incident within the halls of our legislative body, it is really a failure,
01:21I think, if I'm not mistaken, of security. And yeah, it's a failure of security and it endangers the institution,
01:32yung mga mismong member ng legislature natin doon, yung mga Senators natin, even the media and all the people inside
01:39the hall.
01:39Ano po nakikita ninyong paglabag? Kasi ang sinasabi, wala naman daw po yung warrant of arrest or at least local
01:46warrant of arrest para kay Sen. Bato de la Rosa.
01:48Kaya kung saka-sakali man lumabas siya, malaya siyang lumabas.
01:53Well, alam niyo po, Maris, marami kasing conflicting views nito eh. Yung nagsasabi na walang nalabag, it's because sabi nga
02:05nila is we already withdrew from the Rome Statute.
02:08But they missed the point that the Philippines is actually has a domestic law, which is, we call it RA
02:16-9851.
02:18Yung pong, I think everyone knows this, especially in the legal profession, then, of course, even if the warrant of
02:28arrest is not issued by a local court,
02:30but as a country which upholds or which adopts international laws, so we are bound to implement an arrest warrant
02:42issued by an ICC.
02:44Because an ICC is not a foreign court, this is an independent, permanent court.
02:48So, attorney, lilinawin ko lang po ha, kahit wala na pong local warrant of arrest na i-issue ang korte
02:56ng Pilipinas,
02:57ay pwede na pong iserender ng ating gobyerno, si Sen. Bato, sa International Tribunal, and in this case, the International
03:06Criminal Court?
03:10Yes, because, by the way, Maris, I'd like to, kasi meron na kasing pending petition before the Supreme Court,
03:21and, you know, we have this principle of subjudici, then we cannot give our own legal standpoint on that.
03:26Oh, all right.
03:29Kasi dito po kasi nagkakaroon ng mga kalituhan, ang ginagamit po ng, well, of course, the Department of Justice is
03:35maintaining
03:35na pwede nilang gamitin yung RA-9851, but the side of Sen. Bato de la Rosa,
03:42sinasabi nila, hindi nila pwedeng gamitin yung RA-9851, and as a matter of fact,
03:46kailangan daw po maglabas ng local warrant of arrest muna.
03:50Kaya ngayon, dito nagkakaroon ng kaguluhan kung ano ba ang ipatutupad ng administrasyon?
03:56That's why we just want to be enlightened sana regarding this matter.
03:59But, of course, as you've said, it's already subjudici.
04:03So, kung hindi nyo po pwedeng mabigyan ng, at this point, we understand.
04:08Pero, pagdating naman po doon sa implikasyon nung nangyari sa Senado,
04:13posible po bang magkaroon ng delay sa impeachment trial at iba pang trabaho ng Senado?
04:18So, although sinabi na po ni Sen. President Alan Peter Cayetano na magsistart,
04:23magsisimula na po sa Monday yung impeachment trial, but what are your thoughts on this, attorney?
04:29Well, nasa bola na ngayon ng Senado ang pagkandat ng impeachment proceeding or impeachment trial.
04:34So, alam mo, Maris, maraming nakatutok dito eh.
04:38Ang taong bayan nakatutok dito.
04:40Hindi lang tayo sa buong Pilipinas, kundi ang buong mundo.
04:43Ngayon, if the Senate decided to delay the proceedings,
04:48so it will have really a negative effect on them, no?
04:52So, I understand the Senate, the new leadership, the Senate President Alan Peter Cayetano
04:59made a statement that it will go for tweed with the conduct of the trial.
05:03And in fact, they will calendar within, if I'm not mistaken,
05:06they will calendar it within May, the articles of impeachment.
05:11So, I think it would be prudent on the part of the Senate
05:15na kailangan bigyan nila ng pansin ito dahil may mga pronouncement nga sila
05:20na inaantay nga nila yung transmission ng articles of impeachment
05:24from the House of Representatives going to the Senate.
05:29So, again, yun na nga, nasa kanila na ngayon yung bola.
05:33So, if they decide to dribble this to prolong the conduct of the impeachment,
05:39then it will really have a great and irreparable damage to the Senate
05:46because the people are expecting that the Senate will conduct forthwith
05:51the impeachment proceeding.
05:55Isa pa yan, attorney, yung depenisyon ng forthwith.
05:59Kasi si Senator Jesus Kudero, dati, ang sinasabi niya,
06:04nasa, kung baga, discretion ng Senate President yung forthwith,
06:08kung kailan na naisin ang Senate President.
06:10Ano po ba talaga ang nakalagay sa batas pagdating sa depenisyon ng forthwith?
06:16Well, meron na pong desisyon dyan ng Supreme Court.
06:19The same case, in fact, the same parties.
06:21Tama naman po na it is within the discretion of the Senate
06:24to define the term forthwith.
06:27Pero hindi naman po in such a way that it will be abused
06:32or it will be abused such that it will create an injustice.
06:38Kasi ang alam niyo po, ang impeachment proceeding is
06:42viewed this as having public interest.
06:46So hindi lang po yung interest ng Senado,
06:48yung interest po ng buong mga umayang,
06:51interest po na mismo ng ating bansa ang nakalaan dito.
06:55So what is a reasonable time frame?
06:58What is a reasonable time frame within the month?
07:03Within a reasonable time, meaning to say,
07:05medyo may pagkakuan ito eh.
07:08Ano nga ito, medyo may pagka-technical.
07:12What is reasonable is really a question of fact.
07:17It will depend on the calendar of the Senate.
07:21So yun ang titingnan nila eh.
07:23So, well, you know, as we all know, the Senate is busy
07:27crafting legislative measures.
07:28So they have to see it that this impeachment proceeding
07:32will be accommodated.
07:33So as to whether within a reasonable time is swell,
07:38yun, it's another question.
07:40It would really depend on them.
07:42But of course, I believe they know the urgency.
07:45Sir, huli na lang.
07:46Ano po ang nakikita ninyong pananagutan kung sa kasakali
07:49ng Senado, sa pag-alis ni Senador De La Rosa,
07:52habang nasa kanilang protective custody,
07:55dahil sinasabing nga nyo na merong,
07:58under RA 9851,
08:00pwede nang iserender ng ating gobyerno,
08:03si Senador De La Rosa, sa International Tribunal?
08:06Well, let us put this in this way, Marice.
08:11Kung meron mang hinahabol ang batas na isang tao
08:15na kung saan kinakailangan mahuli siya
08:18because kailangan i-server ng warrant of arrest,
08:20tapos may isang tao or grupo ng tao
08:23na kung saan sila yung naging dahilan
08:27upang hindi may-serve yung warrant
08:31or naging hadlang sila para maging hadlang ang warrant.
08:34So, they might be held liable for obstruction of justice.
08:38So, theoretically, anybody who obstructs
08:41or who prevents the service of the warrant,
08:47it will prostrate the end of justice
08:48kasi hindi nga ma-prosecute yung tao
08:50dahil hindi na-serve yung warrant.
08:51So, they might be held liable for obstruction of justice.
08:55And in this particular case,
08:57ang Senado, kanino siya mananagot?
09:00Well, it will really depend on the Department of Justice
09:03if they're interested to file cases against those people
09:08responsible for that.
09:10Alright.
09:11Malinaw, maraming maraming salamat po
09:13Integrated Board of the Philippines National President
09:15Attorney Alan Panolo.
09:16Magandang umaga po sa inyo.
09:17Magandang umaga, Marice,
09:18at magandang umaga po sa ating mga kababayan.
09:26Magandang umaga po sa ating mga kababayan.
09:27Magandang umaga, arrosyipur.
09:27Magandang umaga po sa ating mga kababayan ma-prosecute.
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