00:00Thank you very much.
00:30Kasi meron po tayong basihan yan, yung po yung kasong Avelino v. Cuenco.
00:34So ayun doon sa Avelino v. Cuenco, yung 12, it may constitute a quorum.
00:45Bakit po? In-apply po dito yung doctrine of coercive jurisdiction.
00:49Ibig sabihin po dito kung sino po yung mga membro ng Senado na kung saan pwedeng makumpel ang kanilang attendance
00:58para ma-perform sila ng kanilang function or to the session, yung po yung basihan ng bilangan.
01:04So doon sa kaso po ng Avelino v. Cuenco, meron pong isang Senador na nasa Amerika
01:10at ang isa naman ay admitted po siya sa isang hospital.
01:15Ngayon, kinumpiut ang naging basihan ng baseline for purposes of determining the quorum was 22 Senators.
01:25Ibig sabihin nito, ito po yung Senador who actually hid the call to join the session
01:32or sila po yung pwedeng i-compel na mag-attend sa Senado.
01:38Kasi yun na nga, meron pong power yung ating Senado na i-compel yung membro na ito na um-attend.
01:44So ang majority po ng 22 is obviously 12.
01:49So may pagkakaiba kasi nagkakaroon po ng confusion nito.
01:53Kasi yung dalawa po ang contentious issue nito is, una is yung pagpapalit ng liderato at pangalawa is yung quorum.
02:01Yung sa pagpapalit ng liderato, maliwanag po yun eh.
02:03Sa Constitution, ang ibig sabihin, the Senate President shall be elected by majority of all.
02:11Ibig sabihin, lahat ng miyembro ng Senado.
02:16So ibig sabihin, kung ano ang majority ng lahat ng miyembro ng Senado, yun po ay 13.
02:23Maliwanag po yun.
02:24Kaya nga po yung nangyari noon is, while it may be true, nagkaroon ng quorum,
02:29pero hindi po sila nagkaroon ng election ng bagong Senate President.
02:35But what happened was that, nagkaroon ng declaration of all vacant positions,
02:39at si Wingas Chalian was elected as Senate President for Tempore,
02:45and in the meantime, he is now acting as Senate President.
02:50Tanong. Maganda yung katanungan.
02:53Illegal ba yun?
02:55Ang sagot po ay legal po yun.
02:57Dahil meron po tayong doktrina sa ating Philippine jurisdiction
03:00na ang nangyaring session, ang nangyaring transaction nung araw na yun kahapon,
03:07ay binibigyan ng presumption of regularity or legality.
03:12So meaning to say, the only way to prove otherwise ay yung agrip party can run to the Supreme Court
03:20to question what happened yesterday.
03:23So yun po ang sitwasyon po.
03:25Okay. So kung acting President si Sen. Wingas Chalian, dahil kailangan, labing tatlo eh.
03:32Ano ang position ngayon ni Sen. Alan Peter Cayetano?
03:36Gayong all position is vacant.
03:39Hindi na rin siya Senate President.
03:42Umyembro na lang po siya ng Senado.
03:44Kasi if you watch the proceeding, no?
03:48Opo.
03:49If not mistaken, it was Senator Tito Soto, the former Senate President, no?
03:53Who actually called for the declaration of the vacancy of all the positions.
03:58So yun nga po, hanggang doon lang po yung naging kakayaan nila na madeclare yung proceeding, no?
04:05At all the positions vacant.
04:07But as far as election of the new leadership, nung pag-elect po ng bagong Senate President,
04:12hindi po nagawa dahil very strict ang ating Constitution.
04:15Ang sinasabi sa Constitution, kailangan majority of all its members.
04:19Kung ang composition po ng ating Senado is 24.
04:23Ang majority nun is labing tatlo.
04:26Okay, pero paano ipapaliwanag?
04:29Ang bilang ba kahapon talaga, 22, dahil yung isang Senador nakakulong, yung isa pugante?
04:36Opo, kasi unang-una, si Senator Jingoy is under custody of another branch of government, no?
04:46Yung sa Sen. Bayan po, ano?
04:48And si Sen. Boto, let's go back to Sen. Jingoy.
04:54So the Senate cannot compel his attendance to the Senate because there is a legal impediment.
05:00Opo.
05:01Si Sen. Boto naman po, the whereabouts of Sen. Boto is not even known.
05:05So paano mo ikukompel yung attendance ng isang Senador na hindi mo naman alam kung saan siya maahagilap?
05:14Hindi nga natin alam kung nasa bansa nga ba or pwedeng nasa ibang bansa rin.
05:18Opo.
05:19So that is why ang naging basihan, naging baseline ng kanilang counting is 22 instead of 24.
05:26So dapat manawagan ulit sila kay Sen. Boto na pumasok ulit sa Senado?
05:33Baka magkaroon tayo ng another surprise. Hindi po natin alam yan, Igan.
05:38Okay. Pero puna ni Sen. Pia Cayetano, ito po, Atty. Panolong.
05:42Hindi rin pwedeng iscite yung naturang kaso na nabanggit nyo, no?
05:45Dahil iba raw ang specifics nito.
05:48Oh well, since we respect the opinion of Sen. Pia Cayetano dahil isa rin po siyang batikang abogado.
05:55Pero as of the moment po, yung Avellino versus Cuenco, no?
06:00Na nabanggit dun po doon. Kasi ang Avellino versus Cuenco, Igan, is that unang-una,
06:05tinanggihan ng Supreme Court na mag-rule on demerits nung kaso na yan, eh.
06:09Because ang sabi nga yan is, this is a political question.
06:12Ibig sabihin, internal problem niya ng Senado.
06:14Senado yan, oh.
06:15Makikimato ko, oh.
06:16Pero because of a motion for reconsideration, nirevisit nila yung factual case, everything.
06:22So, they ultimately ruled that 12 is a majority or a quorum of that 22.
06:30Dahil nga, inapply nga doon yung doctrine of coercive jurisdiction.
06:34So, ibig sabihin, kung sino yung pwede mong madala sa Senado para umatin ng sasyon, no?
06:42Kung sinong senador yun, yun yung magiging basihan mo to determine the quorum.
06:48So, which is 22, 23 dahil yung isa na sa abroad, the quorum is 12.
06:56Okay.
06:57Or kapit tara wa.
06:58Pero bati sa mga Senate records, matagal na nilang sinusunod yung 12 senators ay isang quorum.
07:05Opo.
07:06In fact, kahapon lang din, eh.
07:09O no, kagabi lang, napanood ko yung interview ni former Senate President de Long.
07:13Na sabi niya na nung, if I'm not mistaken, nung sometime in 2015, nangyayari po dahil apat po na senador
07:21nasa abroad.
07:22Opo.
07:22Tatto senador at that time were under detention because they were facing graft cases.
07:30Opo.
07:30No?
07:31So, meaning to say, only 17 senators hid to the roll call.
07:36Okay.
07:36So, applying the Avelino versus Cuenco case, 12 was the quorum.
07:42So, they were able to transact business dahil doon sa jurisprudence.
07:46Meaning to say, Igan, no?
07:48Opo.
07:49This has been practiced by the Senate.
07:52So, this is not something new.
07:53Opo.
07:53Hindi ito pago.
07:54So, ngayon, of course, no, dahil nga ngayon is...
07:58Political struggle, o.
07:59Yes.
08:00So, pwedeng balikan ng Supreme Court yan, supposing one of the agreed parties, like for instance, itong si Senate President,
08:08kasi ousted na siya, pwedeng idulog sa Supreme Court yun.
08:11And the Supreme Court will ultimately decide on this case.
08:16Kasi pwedeng hindi natanggihan ng Supreme Court ito dahil under the 1987 Constitution, expanded na yung power ng Judiciary.
08:25That is to determine whether or not there has been a grave abuse or discretion, amounting to lack or excess
08:31of jurisdiction in any government, agency, or instrumentality.
08:35So, pwede po niyang mag-take cognizance or mag-take jurisdiction over the subject matter.
08:40Tama ba sinasabi ni Sen. Cayetano na possibly magkaroon tayo ng constitutional crisis, Tony?
08:51Supposing the standoff will last for long.
08:53Kasi, unang-una, Igan, is that meron pong impeachment case na pending before the Senate.
09:03So, supposing kung halimbawa during the impeachment proceeding, the standoff will last.
09:12So, it may, it may, no?
09:16Kung patuloy din yung hindi nila pag-recognize sa new majority.
09:20Opo.
09:21Opo.
09:22But then, nasa bola na ngayon ng minority who is now the majority, they can compel the attendance of these
09:28Senators.
09:29Opo.
09:30Under the doctrine of coercive jurisdiction.
09:33Opo.
09:33Isa na lang po, ito, habol ko lang po.
09:35Kasi ngayon may scheduled na Blue Ribbon Committee hearing.
09:38Maari bang mag-proceed yung kampo ni Sen. Cayetano sa kabila na may scheduled na sa lunes yung bagong majority?
09:47That's a great question.
09:49The problem is that they don't have a leader.
09:52So they might no longer be recognized as such,
09:56the committee chairmanship of the former majority,
10:00by the employees of the Senate.
10:03Because gaya nga ng sinabi ko,
10:05itong pag-elect ng bagong acting Senate President,
10:09under the leadership of Win Gatchalian,
10:14it enjoys the presumption of legality or regularity.
10:19The only way to prove otherwise is
10:25Senator Alan Peter may should run to the Supreme Court.
10:30Para ma-ventilate.
10:31So it wouldn't be good.
10:34Alam nila ito eh.
10:35Abogado rin. Batik ang abogado rin si Senator Alan eh.
10:38So it won't do good for the image of the Senate.
10:44Medyo nga apektado na nga yung integrity ng Senado eh.
10:50Eh madadagdagan at madadagdagan pa.
10:52Dahil dito sa mga issues,
10:54which can be properly trashed out in a proper forum,
10:57which is the Supreme Court.
10:59So, para sa akin, mas mabuti yun siguro
11:02hindi na lang lang ipatuloy kung ano man yung gusto nilang gawin ngayon.
11:05Dahil, yun na nga.
11:06They are no longer decontrolling.
11:10Opo.
11:10Maraming salamat,
11:11IBP na sa President Atony Alan Panolong.
11:13Ingat po kayo.
11:15Mabuhay po tayong lahat.
11:16Mabuhay kaigad.
11:18Maraming salamat.
11:19Sub indo by broth3rmax
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