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00:00:32This is Larry Warren reporting live from Ted Bundy's double murder trial.
00:00:36He is charged with killing two female students at Florida State University.
00:00:41He is also being sought for questioning in 36 slangs.
00:00:45Those whose bodies have been found were sexually molested and severely beaten.
00:00:50The lurid nature of the case, the depravity of the violence, and the personality of Ted Bundy
00:00:58combined to make this something that the media could not ignore.
00:01:03As a result of a Florida State Supreme Court ruling, the Bundy trial would be open to TV cameras,
00:01:09no matter what the prosecution or the defense had to say.
00:01:12This is the first time a trial had ever been covered by TV like this.
00:01:16I'm ready to go.
00:01:18It was tremendously exciting.
00:01:20Lights on, cameras rolling.
00:01:23Smile Ted.
00:01:25Technologically, it was another era.
00:01:28Electronic news gathering was just in its infancy.
00:01:32Is anybody using a walkie-talkie on this floor?
00:01:35Shut it down or you're breaking up the feed.
00:01:40We had the media from all 50 states and nine foreign countries in big numbers.
00:01:47It was an unprecedented filming of a trial of this nature.
00:01:52Three, two, one.
00:01:53Following next thing.
00:01:55Take ten.
00:01:56Four, three, two, one.
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00:02:38Circuit Court, Second Judicial Circuit on the state of Florida in New Orleans County
00:02:42is now in session.
00:02:43The Honorable Edwin C. Coward presiding, be seated.
00:02:48We're conducting the public's business, gentlemen, and we're going to conduct it in sunshine
00:02:53as we've said in Florida.
00:02:56Nobody had ever handled a case like this before.
00:02:59Before the cameras and certainly not before the virtual nation watching.
00:03:05What's all these cameras doing on the fourth floor?
00:03:08What's these cameras doing on the fourth floor?
00:03:11I got a wrong feeling.
00:03:13Excuse me.
00:03:14Get away from here.
00:03:15Get!
00:03:16I was a young lawyer at the time.
00:03:19It was baptism by fire, if you would.
00:03:21But quite frankly, from my perspective, I had to treat it like it was just another case.
00:03:28I was the public defender appointed to represent Ted Bundy.
00:03:32We didn't have any choice about the case.
00:03:36Mr. Bundy didn't have any money.
00:03:38When I first met Bundy, I had an opportunity to speak with him in a very small visiting room
00:03:46and was not altogether comfortable being at close quarters with him.
00:03:52It was a little awkward and maybe a little frightening.
00:04:01I've got a case.
00:04:02I've got facts.
00:04:03I've got to deal with those facts.
00:04:05I've got to come up with a way to convince a jury that Theodore Bundy committed these crimes.
00:04:10I felt the forensic evidence against Bundy was really pretty sketchy.
00:04:18The problem with Ted Bundy was he was not a typical defendant because he was so infamous.
00:04:27The media had flooded the whole state of Florida with all of this prejudicial publicity about
00:04:35what Ted Bundy had done.
00:04:37All the information goes a long way to destroying whatever public perception or belief in innocent
00:04:46until proven guilty.
00:04:50So my strategy was low-key, low-profile, have Ted Bundy do as little as possible.
00:04:59I may have described it as just sit quietly and look innocent.
00:05:09Obviously, there was a great deal of pressure on the prosecution and nobody knew for sure
00:05:14that we were going to be able to get a conviction ultimately in trial.
00:05:17And the one thing that we were absolutely positive of is that we did not want Mr. Bundy back on
00:05:22the streets again.
00:05:23The most important thing was to save his life.
00:05:28I wanted to discuss the possibility of trying to negotiate a plea bargain
00:05:34that would result in him being spared the death penalty.
00:05:40So I went and talked to him.
00:05:43He came into my cell and he said,
00:05:45I don't like the way this prosecution against you is shaping up.
00:05:49It was the sincerest belief.
00:05:51There was no way I would be found that guilty.
00:05:54Then he made the proposal.
00:05:56He said that an offer was made for you to make a plea in exchange for a life sentence.
00:06:02And it bothered me because I felt like he was conceding when I was guilty and all I was there
00:06:06for was to save my life.
00:06:08I said, are you willing to have us negotiate?
00:06:12He said, yes, I can, I can do a plea.
00:06:15I was surprised when he said yes.
00:06:18We decided that it would be best if we could resolve this case to have him enter a guilty plea.
00:06:24That would ultimately result in Mr. Bundy going to prison for the rest of his life.
00:06:30That was a lot of pressure, a lot of pressure.
00:06:33I don't think I've been under so much pressure, what I would call a lot of pressure to take it.
00:06:39I mean, I'd be the last one to say I went to death penalty.
00:06:41I don't.
00:06:41I mean, I would end awake nights worrying that this was going to happen to me.
00:06:47Ted Bundy was concerned about losing his life.
00:06:50And it got out, of course, that there may have been a deal struck.
00:06:55It went like wildfire.
00:07:04The courtroom was full of people, even though our agreement with the state was, let's don't have a big show.
00:07:12As few people as possible.
00:07:15But it was packed.
00:07:17The room full of law enforcement officers and Casares and the head of the state patrol sitting right up in
00:07:23front,
00:07:24in front of God and everybody, just looking like cats, just following the canary.
00:07:31Well, we went into court that morning thinking Mr. Bundy was going to enter a plea.
00:07:35And we got there and the first thing that happened was Mr. Bundy stood up and started making a speech.
00:07:42It's my position that my counsel, one, believe that I am guilty.
00:07:47Two, that they have told me they see no way of presenting effective defense and in no uncertain terms they
00:07:53have told me that.
00:07:54And three, that they see no way of avoiding a conviction.
00:07:57Your Honor, if that does not raise itself to the level of ineffectiveness of counsel, I don't know what does.
00:08:04He sabotaged the plea and turned it down.
00:08:08I mean, it was demoralizing to me.
00:08:13I skewered Mike.
00:08:14Yeah.
00:08:15Pretty rigorously.
00:08:16Uh-huh.
00:08:18And I had no time ever to be guilty of anything.
00:08:21You got a sense of drama, Ted.
00:08:24No way could I stand up in front of a jury and try to convince them that he was not
00:08:30guilty when he said I had told him I believed he was guilty.
00:08:34I mean, there was no credibility there at all.
00:08:39I talked to Mr. Minerva after court that day, and I just looked him in the face and I said,
00:08:45Bundy just gave up the deal of a lifetime.
00:08:49I finally filed a motion to withdraw, but the judge would not let us out.
00:08:55Judge Cowart, not in the mood for more delays, decided Minerva should stay.
00:09:01I'm going to deny the motion to substitute counsel, and I'm likewise going to deny the motion to withdraw.
00:09:08So I stayed involved in a limited way in the role of advisory counsel.
00:09:14And because Bundy was so insistent on taking part in the case, the judge allowed him to be co-counsel,
00:09:24which is a fiction, because he wasn't a lawyer.
00:09:28He always knew best.
00:09:30I think he believed he knew better than any other lawyer.
00:09:35And after he rejected the plea bargain, we got the idea that he was not going to be a person
00:09:42to take these charges sitting down.
00:09:45You're going to try for another attorney?
00:09:47You're going to represent yourself, or you're going to get another attorney?
00:09:49I'm staying with the man I know best right now, and that's me.
00:10:08The state of Florida is going to officially begin testing its case against Theodore Robert Bundy.
00:10:14It was pre-trial publicity which brought the Bundy trial from Tallahassee to Miami.
00:10:18Too many people were familiar with the details of the Bundy case.
00:10:21Bundy, who's accused of murdering two Florida State University co-eds, is acting as its own lawyer.
00:10:27I was really in control of myself.
00:10:29I really felt good.
00:10:30There was just no problem.
00:10:33New and improved Ted Bundy.
00:10:35How you doing?
00:10:37Aren't you getting tired of Florida?
00:10:39Can I rise, please?
00:10:42Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye.
00:10:45This Honorable Circuit Court of the 11th Union is the circuit of Florida and Bernadine County
00:10:49in Hyaluron.
00:10:49The Honorable Judge of the power presiding.
00:10:52Please be seated.
00:10:53Court will come to order.
00:10:53Court will come to order.
00:10:54The Honorable Judge of the power presiding.
00:10:54The Honorable Judge of the power presiding.
00:10:55Today, the Bundy trial has begun, and there's a new member on the defense team,
00:11:00Attorney Margaret Good.
00:11:02After the failed plea, Mike Minerva is still head lawyer on the case.
00:11:06However, he decided not to go to Miami.
00:11:10And Mike Minerva had requested me to join the defense team.
00:11:14I was just a run-of-the-mill, idealistic, young criminal defense lawyer,
00:11:18when asked to do a very difficult job, said, yes, I'll do it.
00:11:21We took the position that Ted was incompetent.
00:11:25He didn't understand the evidence against him.
00:11:27It's a basic principle of our law that you don't try a person when they are incompetent.
00:11:34I thought Bundy was very competent, very capable.
00:11:38And we did have a competency hearing.
00:11:41And the judge, remarkably, ruled that he is competent.
00:11:45Unlike most murder trials, this one will feature the defendant helping four public defenders
00:11:50in cross-examining witnesses.
00:11:52Judge Cowart ruled that not only was Ted competent to stand trial,
00:11:56but that he was in charge of the defense.
00:11:59And it was just a very difficult situation,
00:12:02because there were times when it was very erratic, impulsive, and strange.
00:12:21You know, we couldn't control his impulses and his irrationality any more than he could control it.
00:12:27And it was annoying, and it was different, and we had no training in how to handle it.
00:12:32Earlier today, Bundy directly asked the judge for more exercise, more access to the jail's law library,
00:12:38more conference periods, and the use of a typewriter.
00:12:41He was always deferring and deflecting to draw the attention away from the case.
00:12:47One of my favorite motions that he filed was a motion for a change of menu,
00:12:52arguing that he had eaten the same grilled cheese sandwich every day for the last five or six days,
00:12:58and he just really needed something else.
00:13:00This morning, he said his living conditions at the jail prevent him from helping his attorneys.
00:13:05The light source is totally inadequate to read by.
00:13:07The only way one can read in that cell is to hold a document outside the bars
00:13:11and to read the documents and the available light that filters from the light source outside the cell.
00:13:17During a noon recess, Judge Cowart visited Bundy's cell and said the lighting was bad.
00:13:22He told jailers, I'd hate to have to read in it myself.
00:13:25He then ruled that Bundy should be transferred to this nearby conference room.
00:13:28He thought he was clever enough and smart enough and cunning enough to avoid conviction.
00:13:36He had, I guess, just enough knowledge of the law to know what to do,
00:13:42but not enough to keep him out of trouble.
00:13:56Officer Ray Crew was one of the first officers that arrived at the Kyle Omega house that morning.
00:14:02I put him on the witness stand to kind of set the scene, if you would.
00:14:07I began a room-by-room search to see if there were any other victims or potential witnesses.
00:14:13And I started at the northwest corner of the north hallway.
00:14:18Because I had crime scene people still coming, I had not gone into detail.
00:14:23Any further questions?
00:14:25Mr. Bundy?
00:14:28Out of the clear blue sky, for some reason, Mr. Bundy decided that he was going to cross-examine that
00:14:34witness
00:14:34about what the crime scene looked like at the Kyle Omega house.
00:14:38You testified here this morning that you recall arriving in the Kyle Omega house approximately 3.26 a.m.?
00:14:44Yes, sir.
00:14:46Then, to the best of your recollection, step-by-step, if you can, officer, what did you do next?
00:14:53Step-by-step, I went in room 4, it is, and observed a young lady lying on her right-hand
00:15:00side, basically face down with the sheet pulled up.
00:15:02Initially, I observed a puncture wound through the nipple in the right breast.
00:15:08When the sheet was pulled off of her and she was moved to the floor, I observed a bloody mark
00:15:15on her right buttocks.
00:15:17I've never seen anything like that before in my career.
00:15:20You would never, if you were a lawyer, want your client to cross-examine a crime scene witness.
00:15:29He was bringing out the gore that he had left there.
00:15:34Touch Miss Bowman.
00:15:36No, sir, I didn't touch her body. I lifted the covers back so that I could observe.
00:15:42And can you describe what you saw when you lifted up the covers?
00:15:45As much detail as you can recall, and if you need to use your report, please feel free to do
00:15:48so.
00:15:49She was lying basically face down. There was a considerable amount of blood around her head.
00:15:58There was what appeared to be a nylon stocking netted around her neck. Her head was bloated, discolored.
00:16:07When her eyelid was raised, her eyes appeared a little glassy.
00:16:11Asking him to relate in excruciating detail what you saw when you first got there over and over again, it
00:16:19could be perceived that he had encountered the crime scene before and relished in what it looked like and wanted
00:16:28it repeated.
00:16:31Is how it could be interpreted.
00:16:33Can you describe the exact position as best you can recall of Miss Levy's body as you saw it when
00:16:39you first entered the room?
00:16:41It's actually the reputation of Miss Levy's body.
00:16:43He's previously described.
00:16:50Recall the position of her arms.
00:16:54If we recognize that the person of this type could receive a gratification in the act of killing itself, it's
00:17:03reasonable to assume that a later point might dwell on that because it fits into the fantasy structure.
00:17:13It was just very unsettling, did not seem to be in Ted's best interest, and it put us, the defense
00:17:22attorneys, in a particularly difficult situation.
00:17:26There are reports of unrest in the defense camp as the lawyers quarrel among themselves on who should do key
00:17:32cross-examinations.
00:17:33The jury is unaware of the squabbles amongst the defense team, and these conflicts have apparently not affected the way
00:17:39the defendant views his chances of acquittal.
00:17:44I did not have any strong forensics on this case.
00:17:47But we had a positive identification of Mr. Bundy as the one that committed the crimes.
00:17:54The mayor and the secretary, the president, are the two-front people to charge the law.
00:17:58The mayor and the president...
00:17:59A.B.C.
00:18:00Anita Neri was, I thought, one of the best witnesses that we had.
00:18:04Do you recall the man that you saw at the door of Tom Megahouse on the morning of January 15,
00:18:111978?
00:18:13Yes, I do.
00:18:14Could you describe the man that you saw at the door?
00:18:17Yes, he had a very prominent nose, a straight bridge that almost came to a point, not quite, very thin
00:18:27lips, clean-shaven.
00:18:30I commented earlier, nice-looking, almost, if you want.
00:18:34And is that man in the courtroom today?
00:18:37Yes, he is.
00:18:38Would you point him out for us, please?
00:18:45I thought that she gave very compelling testimony.
00:18:48And one of the most important pieces of evidence in my mind was she sat down with an artist, and
00:18:56she described the profile view of the man.
00:18:59You could hold that sketch up next to Mr. Bundy, and it is a spitting image of Mr. Bundy.
00:19:06The sketch was not very detailed, but almost like a stick figure.
00:19:11It didn't amount to conclusive proof.
00:19:15Did you ever have any direct eye-to-eye contact with a man?
00:19:19No.
00:19:20Did you see the man's facial expression?
00:19:23No.
00:19:25Did you see the man's eyes?
00:19:28No.
00:19:29Did you see the man's eyebrows?
00:19:31I can't remember them now.
00:19:33Did you see the man's ears?
00:19:35No.
00:19:36Did you see the man's hair?
00:19:39No.
00:19:39I had a few seconds to observe the entire man.
00:19:46Bob Haggard did an excellent job on cross-examination.
00:19:51Her testimony was not very certain.
00:19:55And right after Robert Haggard did that very, very excellent cross-examination, destroying the state's case,
00:20:02Ted got up in open court and tried to fire Haggard as his attorney.
00:20:07The attempts by me to participate in the courtroom have met with a vigorous opposition on the part of my
00:20:14counsel.
00:20:15This is more, we're speaking more to a problem that attorneys have in giving up power.
00:20:21Maybe we're dealing with a problem of professional psychology, where attorneys are so jealous of the power of the exercise
00:20:29in the courtroom,
00:20:30but they're afraid to share it with a defendant.
00:20:33Then defense attorney Robert Haggard, without explanation, asked to be excused and walked out of court.
00:20:38And then there were three.
00:20:42Ted was not a well person.
00:20:43If ever there was a decision to be made that would benefit the defense or benefit the state,
00:20:49Ted would always choose the one that benefited the state.
00:20:51My feeling is that lawyers should control the defense of the case by virtue of their experience.
00:21:01We were seeing here a real crime drama.
00:21:04It was just sordid, lurid, sensational enough that I think people wanted to watch it replay every day during the
00:21:15trial.
00:21:16Each day, the courtroom is filled with spectators drawn by a fascination with Theodore Bundy himself
00:21:21or by the gruesome details of the crimes.
00:21:24What is unusual to see is that many of the onlookers are women, young women.
00:21:28Women would slip notes to me and ask me to give them to Ted.
00:21:32You know, I would say, no, I can't do that.
00:21:35Are you a little scared when you look at him?
00:21:38Yes.
00:21:38It scares me to be in the same room with him, but I know there's other people in there.
00:21:42I'm not afraid of him.
00:21:43He just doesn't look like the type to kill somebody.
00:21:45Every time he turns around, I kind of get that feeling.
00:21:48Oh, no, you know, he's going to get me next.
00:21:51But yet you're fascinated by him.
00:21:52Very, very.
00:21:53Why do you do it?
00:21:55I don't know.
00:21:58One woman who has been at the trial for the past four days
00:22:01and who frequently confers with Bundy has another impression entirely.
00:22:05Carol Boone believes Bundy is completely innocent.
00:22:08Some have called her his girlfriend.
00:22:10She prefers to be known as just a close personal friend.
00:22:14Carol was a friend of his from Washington.
00:22:17And Carol had reappeared in his life to actually act as his champion
00:22:23because she felt that he was telling the truth
00:22:25and that he was being railroaded.
00:22:28She was Ted's advocate.
00:22:31That was her identity.
00:22:33She felt maternal towards him to some extent.
00:22:36And she was adamant that her bunny, as she called him, was wholly innocent.
00:22:43Let me put it this way.
00:22:45I don't think that Ted belongs in jail.
00:22:48The things in Florida don't concern me any more than the things out west do.
00:22:54And those are the things...
00:22:55I don't think these are trumped-up charges.
00:22:58I don't think they had reason to charge Ted Bundy with murder in either Leon County or Columbia County.
00:23:06Boone says she has twice been allowed to visit Bundy in jail since he was brought to Miami six days
00:23:11ago.
00:23:11She describes him as nervous, but cautiously hopeful.
00:23:16Are there any days to step on any other trials, even with equivalence?
00:23:23Yes.
00:23:25Well, you know, if I was a football coach, I'd say, you know, when you're first team of the season,
00:23:31you don't start looking for the Super Bowl.
00:23:38I believe he thought he was going to get away with this.
00:23:41But the piece of evidence that was going to be the centerpiece of the prosecution that would be used for
00:23:48the first time in a court setting was the bite marks.
00:23:53There was a very large, very imprinted double bite mark.
00:23:59The person bit, withdrew, and bit again as hard as the person could.
00:24:10And the question became whether or not there was any way that a suspect could be identified from that bite
00:24:17mark.
00:24:18Would you please state the name of the record?
00:24:20My name is Richard Superhon.
00:24:27What is that?
00:24:28This is a stone cast of Mr. Bundy's upper teeth.
00:24:32States star witness Dr. Richard Superhon, a Miami forensic odontologist, showed the court the peculiarities of Bundy's teeth.
00:24:39Slightly crooked upper front teeth with distinct incisors and chip marks.
00:24:43Whoever made this mark in the skin, in the flesh, had crooked teeth.
00:24:48I believe it was the canine teeth that were very distinct, that really were different.
00:24:57It was obvious that the jury was affected by the big show put on by the prosecution.
00:25:04But we really concentrated hard on trying to limit the scope of that testimony.
00:25:12Mike did come down to Miami and handled the bite mark evidence.
00:25:17It was the first time that kind of tool mark evidence had been used in a criminal case.
00:25:21And he was the expert, legally speaking, on that.
00:25:25Bite mark evidence is not like DNA.
00:25:29It's now pretty much considered junk science.
00:25:33This idea that you could positively identify someone from the bruise pattern they would leave on human flesh.
00:25:43It was just gross speculation.
00:25:46But it didn't change what happened.
00:25:48Can you tell us, within a reasonable degree of dental certainty, if those teeth made the marks on those photographs?
00:25:59Yes, sir.
00:26:02And what is that opinion, sir?
00:26:06They made the marks.
00:26:10I mean, I felt the tide turn right there.
00:26:13They may have been somewhat ambivalent up to, in the state's case, up until the point where the state's witnesses
00:26:21testified.
00:26:22And then, our failure to effectively refute that thing was very significant to the jury.
00:26:31I was feeling embittered and persecuted.
00:26:35I couldn't endure this humiliation.
00:26:40I had to make a statement.
00:26:49The jurors were out of the courtroom this morning when Judge Edward Cowart received word from one of Theodore Bundy's
00:26:56guards of an incident at the Dade County Jail involving the defendant last night,
00:27:01which also explained his absence from the court at the start of this morning's session.
00:27:06Go ahead, sir.
00:27:07This morning, I went to Mr. Bundy's cell to awaken him so he could get dressed to come to court.
00:27:11I could not get him to get up.
00:27:13I noticed that the lock had been jammed with what appeared to be toilet paper.
00:27:17Was this from the inside of the cell or on the outside, Judge Dean?
00:27:20He had wet toilet paper and stuffed it in the lock and kept it from locking.
00:27:25He was different, and he was smart, and he was a challenge to the best.
00:27:32The court will find him in contempt of this court for failing to be here at this time, and I
00:27:38want to instruct counsel to go talk to Mr. Bundy, and it's now 10 minutes after 9.
00:27:43This court will reconvene at 9.30, and we'll continue whether he's here or not.
00:27:49Mr. Bundy, remain seated.
00:27:51At that point in time, things were going good for the prosecution, so it was real obvious he was trying
00:27:57to do something to change that.
00:28:01Just past 9.30 this morning, Theodore Bundy entered the court for Judge Cowart.
00:28:07Mr. Bundy?
00:28:08Yes?
00:28:08The court wants to talk to you, man.
00:28:10Come up to the bar.
00:28:12What happened?
00:28:14What happened?
00:28:16What happened?
00:28:17Do you mean in the jail?
00:28:20The court was supposed to start at 9 o'clock.
00:28:22I'm going to tell you something, young man, and I want to tell you clearly and unequivocally so you understand.
00:28:29This court is not going to follow your schedule.
00:28:33This court is going to set the time when we convene and when we do not convene.
00:28:38The court has already found you in contempt of this court.
00:28:41Be forewarned.
00:28:43I'm not tolerating any more of this.
00:28:45Is there any question in your mind?
00:28:47Perhaps the court can tell me how I can hold the jail in contempt and the...
00:28:52You can quit breaking lights and stuffing toilet paper in a lot.
00:28:56That's how you can knock over them in the pit.
00:28:58What I'm saying to you, Your Honor, is I'm laboring under conditions which are causing me stress, which this court
00:29:06is not aware of.
00:29:07The conditions imposed upon me by the Dade County Jail constitute harassment.
00:29:12It is an attempt by the system, I think, to coerce me and to wear me down.
00:29:17Since I have been in Dade County, I have been allowed to...
00:29:20Don't shake your finger at me, young man.
00:29:22Don't shake your finger at me, young man.
00:29:24Of one and one half hours...
00:29:26That's fine.
00:29:27You can shake it.
00:29:27It must have happened.
00:29:30He probably deserves it better than you.
00:29:33He can't quite shake this way for me, Judge.
00:29:36This railroad train needs to be running, Your Honor, but if I want to get off, I'll get off.
00:29:40If I need to demonstrate to the court that there are things happening outside this courtroom that are influencing and
00:29:46affecting me,
00:29:48there comes a time when I just have to say, whoa.
00:29:51If you say, whoa, I'm going to be using spurs and overcome that whoa.
00:29:56Giddy-ass.
00:29:57You bet.
00:29:58And this court is going to proceed on schedule.
00:30:01Bless your heart.
00:30:02I just hope you stay with us.
00:30:03And if you don't, we'll miss you.
00:30:05All right?
00:30:10I'm not going to try to please people.
00:30:13I hold my head high.
00:30:14I believe in myself.
00:30:16Dealing from that on out, I know exactly what's what.
00:30:21And Lord knows, I'm the first and foremost person who has the personal intimate knowledge that it couldn't be me,
00:30:28that it's not me that I've been missing.
00:30:30And I'll lay my money on me.
00:30:43Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, counsel will now be making their closing arguments to you, or their final arguments.
00:30:51The evidence in this case presents many reasonable doubts.
00:30:56It's a sad day for our system of justice.
00:30:59It can put a man's life on the line because they say he has crooked teeth.
00:31:04How tragic it would be if a man's life could be taken from him because 12 people thought that he
00:31:12was probably guilty, but they were not sure.
00:31:16You hope the jury would find a reasonable doubt and find that this evidence was insufficient and find him not
00:31:22guilty of first-degree murder.
00:31:24But you never know what a jury's going to do.
00:31:27This man premeditated this murder.
00:31:30He knew what he was going to do before he did it.
00:31:33He thinks he is smart enough to get away with any crime.
00:31:38Give him the same amount of mercy that he gave Lisa Levy and Margaret Boehlman, which was absolutely none.
00:31:52Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you may retire now to consider your verdict.
00:31:58This case went to the jury shortly before the jury.
00:32:00Deliverate until midnight.
00:32:05It was exactly three hours ago that Judge Edward Cowart gave the case to the jury.
00:32:09They are now deliberating behind closed doors inside the jury room, examining more than a hundred exhibits.
00:32:17Are you confident that he will be acquitted here?
00:32:21I hope he will be acquitted. I can't say I'm confident.
00:32:24We interrupt this program to bring you a special report, live from the Justice Building in Miami, Florida.
00:32:30Deliverating for six and a half hours, the jury returned to the courtroom just past 9.30 Eastern Time Tuesday
00:32:39night to announce its decision.
00:33:02Okay.
00:33:03Here we go, folks.
00:33:04I am feeding.
00:33:06I miss the verdict, Madam Clerk.
00:33:10In the circuit court of the Second Judicial Circuit in Empoleon County, Florida, case number 78-670,
00:33:17the state of Florida versus Theodore Robert Bundy verdict.
00:33:20We the jury at Miami-Dade County, Florida, this 24th day of July, A.D. 1979, find the defendant, Theodore
00:33:26Robert Bundy,
00:33:28as to count two of the indictment, murder in the first degree upon one Margaret Bowman,
00:33:31guilty as charged, as to count three of the indictment, murder in the first degree upon one Lisa Levy,
00:33:36guilty as charged, as to say we all would all be troubled, fallen.
00:33:42They refuse to perceive me as being anything that approaches being normal.
00:33:47They don't understand me.
00:33:48They don't really understand me.
00:33:50They're missing, you know, a very important point, I guess.
00:33:54When the verdict came in, Ted, his demeanor, his expression was completely different than how he had been throughout the
00:34:02trial.
00:34:03One of intense surprise, which really just confirmed to me that he did not have a rational understanding of the
00:34:11proceedings
00:34:11or what was happening to him or what was about to happen to him.
00:34:15Ted Bundy is found guilty of all seven counts of the indictment.
00:34:20That includes three charges of attempted murder and two counts of first-degree murder,
00:34:26a crime that is a capital offense in the state of Florida,
00:34:30a crime for which he could be sent to the electric chair.
00:34:35What's your reaction?
00:34:36We're very satisfied with what verdict we did get in this case.
00:34:40We couldn't have expected it to be any better than it was.
00:34:43It had been a long, hard investigation, a long, hard trial.
00:34:47We knew that a lot of people were pulling for us to win that case,
00:34:51and it was a tremendous relief to know that we did.
00:34:55Come on, be calm, you guys.
00:34:56Be calm.
00:34:58Be calm.
00:34:59Needless to say, I think the jury is totally wrong.
00:35:03They didn't take enough time.
00:35:04Now, how could you consider all those momentous decisions in six hours?
00:35:08It's just impossible.
00:35:10It's wrong.
00:35:11We'll appeal it.
00:35:12It's just...
00:35:14What else can I say?
00:35:16We, the family, are we devastated by this,
00:35:19but we stick behind him because we know he's not guilty, as do all his friends.
00:35:24That's it.
00:35:26Back up.
00:35:28At 2.20 this afternoon, the case was handed to the jurors
00:35:31with a decision before them of whether to sentence convicted murderer Theodore Bundy
00:35:35to life imprisonment or death.
00:35:37But it was the defendant's mother, Louise Bundy,
00:35:39who made the most impassioned plea for her son's life.
00:35:42My Christian upbringing tells me that to take another's life under any circumstances is wrong.
00:35:48And I don't believe the state of Florida is above the laws of God.
00:35:59The state can be very useful in many ways to many people living.
00:36:06Gone from us would be like taking a part of all of us and throwing it away.
00:36:22The court finds that both of these killings were indeed heinous, atrocious, and cruel,
00:36:29in that they were extremely wicked, shockingly evil,
00:36:34vile, and the product of a design to inflict a high degree of pain and utter indifference
00:36:40to human life.
00:36:42This court, independent of, but in agreement with,
00:36:46the advisory sentence rendered by the jury,
00:36:48that is hereby imposed the death penalty
00:36:50upon the defendant, Theodore Robert Bundy.
00:36:54Take care of yourself, young man.
00:36:57I say that to you sincerely.
00:36:59Take care of yourself.
00:37:01It's a tragedy for this court to see it's such a total waste,
00:37:05I think, for humanity that I've experienced in this court.
00:37:08But you're a bright young man.
00:37:11If you made a good lawyer, I'd love to have you practiced in front of me,
00:37:14but you went another way, partner.
00:37:17Take care of yourself.
00:37:18I don't have any animosity to you.
00:37:20I want you to know that.
00:37:22Court will be in recess until Saturday morning at 10 o'clock.
00:37:26Ever fired under the E.C. to do judges out in the court?
00:37:31I don't really feel like I have any really acute insights or observations or analyses to add to
00:37:42what's happened this afternoon.
00:37:45And I'm tired and sad.
00:37:51And even now, I am both fascinated with and angry at myself for falling into that role.
00:38:12There is yet another case titled The State of Florida vs. Theodore Robert Bundy.
00:38:18This time, Bundy is accused of killing Lake City schoolgirl Kimberly Leach.
00:38:26The Kimberly Leach trial was the first murder case that I actually tried as a prosecutor.
00:38:32People criticized us, saying, why are you wasting the county's money prosecuting him
00:38:38when he's already got the death penalty?
00:38:41You get two death penalties, you got twice as much chance of one standing up
00:38:45to make sure, certain, that he was executed.
00:38:52The strategy of the trial was very simple.
00:38:55We had tons of evidence.
00:38:58It was an eyewitness that saw Bundy loading Kim Leach into the white van at the junior high school.
00:39:05And in that white van that he was driving was a bloodstain.
00:39:09The blood type was the same as Kim's blood type.
00:39:13Numerous fibers from the clothing from Kim Leach's body were found on the van carpet.
00:39:20Fibers from Bundy's blue blazer was found on Kim's clothing.
00:39:25Shoe tracks, there was a mountain of evidence against him.
00:39:29Wearing a blue bow tie and a big grin, Theodore Bundy faced the jury for the last time.
00:39:34Bundy defended himself, and that did not go over well with the jury.
00:39:40He displayed a tremendous amount of arrogance.
00:39:43One thing that he did was his impromptu wedding ceremony
00:39:48between him and one of his witnesses, Carol Boone.
00:39:52The defense called only one witness, Carol Boone.
00:39:55Acting as his own lawyer, Bundy questioned her about his character.
00:39:59She said he's a kind, warm, patient man, a very positive part of her life.
00:40:04Then the convicted man popped the question.
00:40:09Carol, do you want to marry me?
00:40:10Yes.
00:40:11And I want to marry you?
00:40:12Yes.
00:40:14I do my marriage.
00:40:16Yes, I do my marriage.
00:40:18Bundy went on questioning Boone.
00:40:20The prosecution called the marriage proposal a charade
00:40:23and asked the jury to consider the timing of the announcement.
00:40:27I thought at the time, this was simply a ploy.
00:40:32How could you possibly vote the death penalty on my wedding day?
00:40:38And the second thing he did was in final argument before the jury,
00:40:42he spread his arms out like this and compared himself to Jesus.
00:40:47Well, the jury didn't appreciate it at all.
00:40:52The next morning, then, we had a verdict.
00:40:54And I was, man, I was pumped.
00:40:56I had been sweating bullets until the judge called us back into the courtroom.
00:41:04It is the sentence of this court as to count one of the indictment
00:41:07that you, Theodore Robert Bundy, be adjudicated guilty of murder in the first degree
00:41:11and that you be sentenced to death for the murder of Kimberly Diane Leach.
00:41:15Yes, sir.
00:41:16Bundy sat with his back to the judge during the reading of the recommendation.
00:41:19Then, one last outburst as the jury was being released.
00:41:23What is the jury?
00:41:25The jury that they were wrong.
00:41:27The jury that they denied.
00:41:30The jury was right.
00:41:39I feel that there are some people who, by the enormity of their crime,
00:41:44forfeit the right to live.
00:41:48He is such an evil person who had done so much harm,
00:41:53hurt so many good people.
00:41:55He is just a piece of garbage in the shape of a human being.
00:42:19When Ted went back to death row, there was no guilt, no remorse.
00:42:23I don't feel guilty for anything.
00:42:26I feel less guilty now than I've felt at the same time of my whole life
00:42:28about anything I've been through.
00:42:31And it's not that I forgot something or as closed-off part of my mind
00:42:34or compartmentalized.
00:42:36I believe I understand everything I've done.
00:42:39There's pride in what he did.
00:43:00Death row is a terrible place.
00:43:02So Ted would get drunk and smoke dope.
00:43:05There are a lot of guys heavy in the drugs I've put there through.
00:43:09I smoked a lot of weed, and I have never in my life been so fucked up.
00:43:14I don't like the dope to just get you mildly kidding.
00:43:16I mean, when I smoke dope, I like to hallucinate a little bit.
00:43:19Many days, he was really, really high.
00:43:22His wife, Carol, would take drugs into Ted vaginally,
00:43:28and then he would take the drugs back to his cell rectally.
00:43:33I'm going to bring some dope down here sometime.
00:43:35We'll just smoke it.
00:43:36And Valium's an alcohol.
00:43:39Ted and Carol were the French expression,
00:43:43folie adieu.
00:43:44They were crazy together.
00:43:47Carol upped him.
00:43:48She told him that she wanted a child.
00:43:52And somehow, they had sex in the prison.
00:44:07And they built this little family on death row.
00:44:12Ted and Carol and little Rosa.
00:44:16This convicted killer, who fathered a daughter,
00:44:19tried to have a semblance of family life
00:44:21with daughter, stepson, and wife.
00:44:26The narcissist in him adored the attention.
00:44:30You want to interest someone, let's say,
00:44:32in the screenplay, right?
00:44:34The movie, right?
00:44:35It's filming news articles about me.
00:44:37The Rolling Stones stuff, the New York Times stuff,
00:44:40the New York Times, Madagascene.
00:44:41As a media band, it's touched people throughout the country.
00:44:45Those people throughout North America really are,
00:44:49to one degree or another, know about Ted Bundy.
00:44:54I was interested in putting Ted in my rearview mirror.
00:44:58We recorded roughly 100 hours of recorded conversation.
00:45:02But if you listen to the tapes, he never confessed.
00:45:07The last time I talked to Ted,
00:45:09we said, we're going to publish a book.
00:45:13He said, I don't care what you say as long as it sells.
00:45:17I was heartily sick of what I was hearing.
00:45:20I was sick of Ted.
00:45:21I walked out of that prison with an enormous sense of relief.
00:45:27Last time I saw Ted Bundy or talk with him,
00:45:30I was so damn sick of his lies and his denials of what he'd told us.
00:45:37Sometimes we'd come out of that prison and would be actually sick.
00:45:43I just was tired of Ted Bundy and what he'd taken of my life, really.
00:45:54The book was about finished and we felt a responsibility to his mother and stepfather
00:45:59to tell them what Ted had been saying to us
00:46:02and what we're going to publish in the book.
00:46:04So we fly to Seattle and we have the tape recorder.
00:46:09Louise is sitting next to the tape recorder.
00:46:11I'm sitting next to Louise.
00:46:13And Ted comes on, his voice comes on,
00:46:16and he's talking about murder.
00:46:19So he came up behind her.
00:46:20She heard him.
00:46:21She turned around and he brandished the knife.
00:46:24And let's say he placed his hands around her throat.
00:46:27And Louise starts making these little sounds,
00:46:30like little mouse sounds, little squeaks.
00:46:34And she just listened to it and listened to it.
00:46:37Then we said, you know, do you have any questions?
00:46:40Neither one of them had any questions whatsoever.
00:46:43So we turned off the tape recorder and she stood up and she said,
00:46:47who's for apple pie and ice cream?
00:46:51And we had apple pie and ice cream.
00:46:53And then we left.
00:47:10The nation's worst mass murderers
00:47:13may yet make a contribution to society.
00:47:15They have supplied the raw data
00:47:17to help the FBI build a composite picture
00:47:19of the mass killer and his victims.
00:47:21The Bureau today said a new computer center
00:47:23is being set up to analyze that data.
00:47:25Agents hope that this computer
00:47:27will spot those subtle patterns
00:47:29that they have missed in the past.
00:47:31Today, the FBI announced the creation
00:47:33of a national center for analysis of violent crime.
00:47:37The center will use computers like these
00:47:39to look for patterns in the methods of murder.
00:47:42Agents already have interviewed 38 convicted killers,
00:47:44including Charles Manson,
00:47:46to put together profiles on who kills and why.
00:47:54This is a case we got in today down in North Carolina.
00:47:57Are we looking at post-mortem or anti-mortem wounds?
00:48:00It is definitely post-mortem mutilation to the breast area.
00:48:04At that time, I had the privilege of joining the first class
00:48:08of full-time profilers in that program.
00:48:11We would look at hundreds of cases
00:48:14that are solved or unsolved
00:48:15to try to understand the thought processes
00:48:18of the perpetrators,
00:48:19not only how they developed their skills,
00:48:22but how they evaded detection.
00:48:25We would go in and talk to serial killers,
00:48:28serial child molesters, serial rapists,
00:48:31and Ted Bundy was one of the ones that was chosen.
00:48:35Ted's case taught law enforcement,
00:48:37specifically the FBI,
00:48:39that their way of going about these investigations
00:48:43was going to have to change
00:48:45because a new type of criminal was emerging,
00:48:48typified by Ted Bundy.
00:48:50He was brand new and absolutely frightening.
00:48:54We're learning these people are good at what they do.
00:48:57They're very good.
00:48:59Ted Bundy was unique from most all other serial killers
00:49:03that we were aware of.
00:49:04He had a degree in psychology.
00:49:06He was very bright.
00:49:07He basically set the standard.
00:49:10He's the Jack the Ripper of the United States.
00:49:14He just potentially was a tremendous source
00:49:17of intelligence for us if he would talk to us.
00:49:22The first time I talked to him,
00:49:24he had been on death row for a number of years,
00:49:27but he was still not admitting any of these crimes.
00:49:30He said basically,
00:49:32who do you think you are to come down here in death row?
00:49:35Pull me out of my cell and ask me stuff.
00:49:38You know, you're the FBI.
00:49:40You guys know everything.
00:49:41You're the geniuses.
00:49:41You write the books.
00:49:42You write the papers.
00:49:43What do you want from me?
00:49:45I said, I want to be better.
00:49:46I want to save lives.
00:49:48I want you to help me.
00:49:50And he just said,
00:49:53they want to kill me.
00:49:55And I said, they want to kill you?
00:49:57He said, the state of Florida wants to kill me.
00:49:58He said, you'd kill me too, wouldn't you?
00:50:01And I said, I wouldn't take pleasure in it,
00:50:05but if it was my job to pull the switch,
00:50:08yeah, you're toast.
00:50:09And he just started looking at me and laughing and said,
00:50:12how many times do you think I've asked that question to other people?
00:50:15He said, they all lied.
00:50:17They all said they thought I should be a survivor.
00:50:19He said, you told the truth.
00:50:21And that was the way we finished our first discussion.
00:50:25They trusted me.
00:50:28In visits after that,
00:50:29I would go in and he would have newspaper clippings of murder cases,
00:50:34some of which I was working,
00:50:35some of which I wasn't even familiar with.
00:50:37And he would say, let's profile this case.
00:50:40And he was very good.
00:50:41I mean, he would say, I think the guy would do this,
00:50:44then he'd do that.
00:50:44I think maybe you guys ought to do this or that.
00:50:47He talked about how a lot of serial killers
00:50:49will return to the crime scene.
00:50:51He also talked about leaving evidence behind
00:50:54that had nothing to do with the crime scene
00:50:56that might throw him off.
00:50:58He confirmed a lot of things
00:51:00that we suspected about serial killers,
00:51:02but he also gave us a lot more things to think about.
00:51:14The state prison in Florida,
00:51:16America's sunshine state.
00:51:18This is death row.
00:51:20Prisoners here have been sentenced to die in the electric chair.
00:51:24Some have been here as long as 12 years.
00:51:26They could be executed tomorrow.
00:51:28Next week, perhaps never.
00:51:33I became Ted Bundy's lawyer in 1986
00:51:37when an associate came in and said,
00:51:39well, there's this guy in Florida
00:51:40and he has his execution scheduled
00:51:43and we need someone to take that case.
00:51:47I was very clear about being opposed to the death penalty,
00:51:50even for the most heinous crimes.
00:51:54Preventing the government from killing people in my name
00:51:59was one of the most important things I could do.
00:52:02Convicted murderer Ted Bundy
00:52:04is scheduled to die in Florida's electric chair
00:52:06one week from today.
00:52:07Ted was on death watch,
00:52:09so there was no time to waste.
00:52:11Our strongest argument was the fact
00:52:13that he received inadequate representation
00:52:15in that he was represented by himself
00:52:17who was not competent
00:52:19to either assist or even worse,
00:52:22in the Kyle Omega case,
00:52:23present his own defense.
00:52:26He truly had sabotaged his trials
00:52:29and we were hoping to find some clear mental illness
00:52:33that we could use as an issue in the case.
00:52:37Convicted murderer Theodore Bundy
00:52:39is taking new steps
00:52:40to avoid Florida's electric chair.
00:52:42This is the first time Ted Bundy
00:52:44has left Florida's death row
00:52:45since being sentenced to death.
00:52:48Armed guards brought Bundy to the hearing
00:52:50to determine his mental competency.
00:52:52My associate Jim Coleman and I
00:52:54were in desperate need of an expert
00:52:56to analyze Ted.
00:52:58We're talking about incompetence
00:52:59to be his own lawyer
00:53:00or incompetence to stand trial?
00:53:02We're talking about competency to stand trial.
00:53:04That kind of analysis had not happened
00:53:06during the trial
00:53:07because Ted believed he was more than competent.
00:53:11I knew I wasn't crazy, sane,
00:53:13or incompetent, or anything else.
00:53:15I was insulted by even the suggestion
00:53:17by my attorneys
00:53:18that we should consider the defense.
00:53:20I knew damn well I wasn't crazy.
00:53:22Dr. Dorothy Lewis,
00:53:23the psychiatrist at Yale,
00:53:25was willing to begin
00:53:26neurological testing on him.
00:53:29She specialized in understanding
00:53:31the brain chemistry of violent men.
00:53:38And then she called me up to say,
00:53:40do you know that your client
00:53:41is manic depressive?
00:53:42That was the first that we'd heard
00:53:44any kind of actual diagnosis
00:53:46of a mental illness with Ted.
00:53:48He talked in terms of a voice in his head,
00:53:52and this voice would start saying
00:53:53things about women.
00:53:55Dr. Lewis realized that this was during
00:53:57the down phase of his manic depression
00:54:00and Ted controlling his own defense
00:54:02was just a sign of his manic episodes.
00:54:06And he also started talking about
00:54:09that he did not feel empathy.
00:54:11He did not feel love.
00:54:13Dr. Lewis was extremely confident
00:54:15that there was something unique
00:54:17about Ted's brain
00:54:18that had led to this.
00:54:20Some unique brain chemistry
00:54:22or even a tumor
00:54:24in a critical location
00:54:25that blocked his empathy.
00:54:29So we got a stay of execution.
00:54:34Just six hours before
00:54:35his scheduled execution
00:54:36in Stark, Florida,
00:54:37convicted killer Ted Bundy
00:54:38won a 24-hour stay.
00:54:41The appeals in the case
00:54:42had to go through
00:54:42so many layers of courts.
00:54:44They happened over a period
00:54:46of three years.
00:54:52Serial killer Theodore Bundy
00:54:53has escaped the chair once again.
00:54:55Lawyers for Bundy
00:54:56went to court
00:54:57in a last-ditch effort
00:54:58to argue that he wasn't competent
00:54:59to stand trial in 1980.
00:55:02But the public pressure
00:55:03and the political pressure
00:55:05was insurmountable.
00:55:08Eleanor Rose of Seattle believes
00:55:09Bundy killed her daughter Denise.
00:55:11As far as Bundy goes,
00:55:13I hate him,
00:55:14and I do want him
00:55:15to get the electric chair.
00:55:17No court was going to be the one
00:55:20to stand in the way
00:55:21of Ted Bundy's execution.
00:55:25Bundy's lawyers were trying
00:55:26for a stay of execution
00:55:27in U.S. District Court today,
00:55:29but were turned down this afternoon.
00:55:30This after the Florida Supreme Court
00:55:32rejected his appeal Friday.
00:55:34We had one, two stays of execution,
00:55:37and in the last case,
00:55:38the Supreme Court denied the stay.
00:55:41Shortly after the high court's
00:55:42decision was announced,
00:55:43Florida Governor Bob Martinez
00:55:45signed a new death warrant.
00:55:46He represents why you have
00:55:48capital punishment.
00:55:54For ten years,
00:55:56Ted Bundy has been fighting execution
00:55:58in Florida's electric chair.
00:55:59Bundy is scheduled to die
00:56:01in the Florida electric chair
00:56:02on Tuesday.
00:56:04On the last few days
00:56:05before the execution,
00:56:07he decided to confess.
00:56:11I'm at the point, finally,
00:56:13where I see that I'm going
00:56:15to have to tell you
00:56:16and others everything I know
00:56:18in regard to so-called
00:56:19unsolved cases.
00:56:21Ted always thought
00:56:22that his knowledge
00:56:23of these crimes
00:56:24was his ace in the hole,
00:56:26that by offering to confess,
00:56:29the governor would
00:56:31delay his execution
00:56:32a few years.
00:56:33I'm the only one
00:56:34in possession
00:56:34of this information.
00:56:35That's just the way it is.
00:56:37To do a proper job
00:56:38for everybody,
00:56:39I'm going to need some time.
00:56:42Jim and I
00:56:43thought it was extremely
00:56:44foolhardy
00:56:45for him
00:56:46to publicly confess.
00:56:47I didn't think
00:56:48the governor would buy it.
00:56:50I didn't think
00:56:50it would stop his execution.
00:56:56His attorney had called me
00:56:58in Seattle
00:56:59to please go down,
00:57:01talk to Ted.
00:57:03He wanted to confess.
00:57:05I was told
00:57:06that he wanted to talk,
00:57:08so I went down.
00:57:09His purpose in doing this,
00:57:10obviously,
00:57:11was to extend his life.
00:57:12Although I was not
00:57:13trying to extend his life,
00:57:15my job was to kind of
00:57:17encourage him to talk
00:57:18and remind him of things
00:57:20that might be applicable
00:57:22to the cases.
00:57:24I'm here at Florida State Prison
00:57:25at Rayford, Florida,
00:57:28with Mr. Ted Bundy.
00:57:30We're having a meeting,
00:57:32and presently it's two days
00:57:33prior to his scheduled
00:57:34execution date.
00:57:36You've been involved
00:57:37in how many homicides?
00:57:39Well, we came up with 30.
00:57:43I mean, we added that.
00:57:44It's late at night,
00:57:45like you said,
00:57:46but I think that's
00:57:47a fairly close figure.
00:57:49Would you just try
00:57:50to summarize
00:57:50what states they were in
00:57:53and what periods of time?
00:57:55I just really will summarize it.
00:57:58California, Oregon,
00:58:00Washington, Idaho,
00:58:02Utah, Colorado,
00:58:04Florida,
00:58:04of between 1973 and 1978.
00:58:14Of the 30 that you were involved in,
00:58:18can you have an idea
00:58:20of how many were actually buried?
00:58:24Well, that's a good question.
00:58:26Gee, 10.
00:58:2810 burials of the 30 by 30?
00:58:30Roughly.
00:58:31I mean, I'm just...
00:58:32Okay.
00:58:33In a couple of the cases,
00:58:35and I'm not sure how many,
00:58:37but you opted to sever
00:58:38the heads from the victims.
00:58:41And how many were that,
00:58:43do you recall,
00:58:44of 30?
00:58:45Perhaps half a dozen.
00:58:55Well, I was there two days.
00:58:57The first day,
00:58:58you know,
00:58:59he's behind a heavy glass,
00:59:01and then there's a
00:59:02kind of a mouth hole
00:59:03you can talk through,
00:59:04and that's when he told me
00:59:06everything.
00:59:08Hey, can you hear that?
00:59:11What?
00:59:11Okay.
00:59:12I just said that
00:59:13the Hawkins girl's head
00:59:15was severed and taken
00:59:17up the road
00:59:18about
00:59:2225 to 50 yards
00:59:24and buried
00:59:26in a location
00:59:27about 10 yards
00:59:28west of the road
00:59:30on a rocky hillside.
00:59:32Did you hear that?
00:59:35Did.
00:59:39When he said
00:59:40he was clearing his soul
00:59:41at the end,
00:59:42he wanted me to note
00:59:43that he
00:59:44practiced necrophilia.
00:59:46That was something
00:59:47he never talked about
00:59:47even in a third person
00:59:48before that.
00:59:50You know,
00:59:50the truth is terrible.
00:59:52You know,
00:59:52it's terrible.
00:59:55We woke up in the morning,
00:59:57and there all the newspapers are,
00:59:58you know,
00:59:59Ted reveals his secrets.
01:00:01At that point,
01:00:04I was really overcome
01:00:06with emotion.
01:00:07it was over,
01:00:09or we knew it was over.
01:00:11After 11 years of silence,
01:00:13he has begun admitting
01:00:14to over 30 killings
01:00:16in five western states
01:00:17he has always been suspected of.
01:00:20The confessions came
01:00:21as a surprise
01:00:21to Bundy's mother.
01:00:23Yes, he
01:00:25killed all those
01:00:26lovely young women.
01:00:27We have
01:00:27several beautiful daughters
01:00:29of our own.
01:00:30and we know
01:00:31how we would feel.
01:00:32That's a terrible thing.
01:00:36And he wasn't raised that way.
01:00:40This evening,
01:00:41the Florida governor
01:00:41says he's fully confident
01:00:43Bundy will be executed
01:00:44tomorrow morning.
01:00:45In the words
01:00:46of one other state official,
01:00:47this master manipulator
01:00:48will not be allowed
01:00:50to make a mockery
01:00:51of the judicial system.
01:01:05I was with him.
01:01:06When he had gotten a call,
01:01:08it was an attorney
01:01:09saying that
01:01:10there were no more appeals.
01:01:16He knew he was going to die.
01:01:23One of this country's
01:01:25most notorious killers
01:01:26will be executed
01:01:27tomorrow morning
01:01:28at the Florida
01:01:28State Penitentiary.
01:01:30Ted Bundy
01:01:31has always received
01:01:32a lot of public attention.
01:01:34The day before
01:01:35his scheduled execution
01:01:36was no different.
01:01:37Television crews
01:01:38are here from
01:01:39across the country.
01:01:41The day before,
01:01:43the execution
01:01:43of Ted Bundy,
01:01:44we had satellite trucks
01:01:46set up all over the field.
01:01:48I think that was
01:01:49one of the first
01:01:50big uses of satellite trucks
01:01:52to cover an event like that.
01:01:59There were thousands
01:02:00of people outside.
01:02:01You could hear them inside,
01:02:02even in the inner confines
01:02:04of the prison.
01:02:08Burn, Bundy, burn.
01:02:09Burn, Bundy, burn.
01:02:10Burn, Bundy, burn.
01:02:10And they were
01:02:10setting fireworks off.
01:02:14I looked at Ted
01:02:15and I said,
01:02:16do you hear that out there?
01:02:17And he goes,
01:02:18they're crazy.
01:02:19You said,
01:02:19they think I'm crazy.
01:02:21Listen to all of that.
01:02:40Just down the road
01:02:41from the prison,
01:02:42there are even Ted Bundy
01:02:43T-shirts for sale.
01:02:44This one says,
01:02:45burn, Bundy, burn.
01:02:47Yeah, throw one in, huh?
01:02:48I'll give them to the girls.
01:02:49I was in a crowd
01:02:50outside the prison.
01:02:51It was almost like
01:02:52a carnival.
01:02:53Mr. Ainsworth,
01:02:54have you been in this morning?
01:02:55I'm sorry.
01:02:56No, no, I have not seen Ted
01:02:57for a long time.
01:02:58We wrote a very unfavorable book
01:02:59about him,
01:03:00and he does not care much for us.
01:03:01I was so happy
01:03:05seeing him go.
01:03:06He's entertaining,
01:03:07he's got a good sense of humor,
01:03:08but he's also very devious,
01:03:10and he's a mean son of a gun.
01:03:12The man's a wimp.
01:03:13I mean,
01:03:13people that sneak up
01:03:15on women and kill them,
01:03:16and what else can you say?
01:03:19At some point that day,
01:03:20Ted tells me
01:03:21that he's not going
01:03:22to sit in a chair.
01:03:26And I said,
01:03:27well, what are you going to do?
01:03:29He said,
01:03:30I'm going to die right here.
01:03:31And he was sitting across from me,
01:03:35and he had a pen,
01:03:37and he said,
01:03:38I can stick this so far up my artery,
01:03:40it'll squirt in your face,
01:03:41and I'll be drained
01:03:42before anybody even gets here.
01:03:44And I said,
01:03:45is that what you want to do?
01:03:47And he says,
01:03:49I'm not going to let them kill me.
01:03:51And we had just had
01:03:53some other discussions,
01:03:54religious discussions,
01:03:54throughout our visits
01:03:56over the years,
01:03:57but that particular day,
01:03:58he had the Bible with him,
01:04:00and he was reading Scripture.
01:04:02And I said,
01:04:04how many numbers
01:04:05did we talk about earlier?
01:04:07And he said,
01:04:08I think 30-something.
01:04:09And I said,
01:04:10and now you're going
01:04:11to go to 31?
01:04:13Don't you think
01:04:14taking a life
01:04:15even if it's your own
01:04:16is a method of homicide,
01:04:17even though they call it suicide?
01:04:19If you think
01:04:19there's a deity upstairs
01:04:20that's going to judge you,
01:04:22you think you're in a position
01:04:23to push the envelope that far?
01:04:25And he just looked at me
01:04:27and said,
01:04:28you got me again.
01:04:31And so then he prayed some,
01:04:33and I prayed with him.
01:04:37All right.
01:04:38Can you all hear?
01:04:39Ted Bundy,
01:04:40he's being served
01:04:41for supper tonight
01:04:42a meal of a burrito,
01:04:44rice, and salad.
01:04:45At 5 o'clock tomorrow morning,
01:04:47he'll be offered a last meal
01:04:48of traditional steak and eggs.
01:04:51Then we rehearsed
01:04:53his execution on the chair
01:04:54in the office.
01:04:56I said,
01:04:57well, you know,
01:04:57they're going to shave your head.
01:04:58You know,
01:04:59they're going to shave
01:04:59your right calf.
01:05:01I said,
01:05:01you're going to sit down
01:05:02on the chair.
01:05:03I said,
01:05:04they're going to put shackles
01:05:04on your feet.
01:05:05You know,
01:05:06you're going to feel jolts.
01:05:08This evening,
01:05:10there is a one-on-one interview
01:05:11with Dr. James Dobbs,
01:05:13which you're aware of.
01:05:15Bundy told a California
01:05:16religious broadcaster
01:05:17that a sexual frenzy
01:05:19drove him to kill women
01:05:21across the country.
01:05:21There was a great deal
01:05:23of remorse.
01:05:24He wept several times
01:05:27while talking to me.
01:05:31I've lived in prison
01:05:32for a long time now.
01:05:35And I've met a lot of men
01:05:37who were motivated
01:05:38to commit violence
01:05:39just like me.
01:05:40And without exception,
01:05:43every one of them
01:05:44was deeply involved
01:05:46in pornography
01:05:47without question,
01:05:48without exception,
01:05:49deeply influenced
01:05:51and consumed
01:05:51by an addiction
01:05:52to pornography.
01:05:54I was stunned
01:05:55when he blamed it
01:05:57on pornography
01:05:58because we all
01:05:59grow up
01:06:01having access
01:06:02to pornography
01:06:03and it doesn't
01:06:04turn us all
01:06:05into serial killers.
01:06:07I guess he was
01:06:08trying to blame it
01:06:09on somebody else.
01:06:10You know,
01:06:11blaming it on the devil
01:06:12and pornography.
01:06:14I think that's
01:06:14typical Ted.
01:06:15He's playing it
01:06:16for all it's worth.
01:06:17He's playing a game.
01:06:18He's buying time.
01:06:20In truth,
01:06:21when I talked
01:06:21to him about
01:06:21the pornography,
01:06:22he said,
01:06:23I never said
01:06:24it made me do it,
01:06:25but I did
01:06:26as best I could
01:06:26to try to get them
01:06:27to help me.
01:06:28He said,
01:06:28you know it didn't
01:06:29make me do it.
01:06:29I did it
01:06:30because I wanted
01:06:31to do it.
01:06:38Good morning.
01:06:39In just about 10 minutes,
01:06:41serial killer Ted Bundy
01:06:42is scheduled
01:06:43to be executed
01:06:43here at Florida's
01:06:44state prison.
01:06:46The prison fired up
01:06:47the generators
01:06:48which power
01:06:48the electric chair.
01:06:49Neither the Supreme Court
01:06:51or governor's office
01:06:52is granted a stay.
01:06:54Beautiful day
01:06:55in the neighborhood.
01:07:03I was in New York.
01:07:05I got up early
01:07:06to watch it on TV.
01:07:08Floodlights bathed
01:07:09the prison at dawn.
01:07:10Note the activity
01:07:11visible in the window
01:07:12at the bottom right
01:07:13of your screen
01:07:14as the death chamber
01:07:15is being prepared.
01:07:18I was interested
01:07:19that there were a lot
01:07:20of drunken college
01:07:22kids there.
01:07:23Young men
01:07:24who were age 10
01:07:26or so
01:07:27when Ted had killed
01:07:28those girls
01:07:28at Chi Omega.
01:07:30It was an excuse
01:07:31to get drunk
01:07:32and hoop it up.
01:07:33There was a lot
01:07:34of that going on.
01:07:35Look out,
01:07:36Burke!
01:07:38The bonding
01:07:38is over, Ted.
01:07:40He'll get one there, Ben.
01:07:41Get one there, Ben.
01:07:43First man,
01:07:43Old Sparky,
01:07:44this is a three-legged chair
01:07:45despite the original.
01:07:46Five dollars.
01:07:55All of the witnesses,
01:07:57the official witnesses,
01:07:58we got there
01:07:59early in the morning,
01:08:01loaded us up in buses,
01:08:03and then drove us
01:08:05over to the death chamber.
01:08:08We walked into the viewing
01:08:10part of the death chamber,
01:08:13and the door swung open.
01:08:15In came two burly guards
01:08:16with Bundy between them,
01:08:18and he was white as a sheet.
01:08:23They brought him around
01:08:24to the electric chair,
01:08:25and they strapped him down,
01:08:28and he was allowed
01:08:28to say some final words.
01:08:30He says something about,
01:08:32sorry, he caused
01:08:32so much trouble.
01:08:35Then they lower
01:08:36the skull cap
01:08:37with the black hood
01:08:38over his head.
01:08:41A guy on the phone
01:08:42gives the hi sign,
01:08:44and they throw the switch.
01:08:51And as the electricity
01:08:53coursed through his body,
01:08:55you could see his fist tighten
01:08:57with a thumb
01:08:58between the two fingers.
01:09:00And I remember thinking
01:09:02at that time,
01:09:02I wonder how many throats
01:09:05that fist has tightened around.
01:09:10when the electricity
01:09:11was turned off,
01:09:13a doctor unbuttoned
01:09:15the front of his shirt,
01:09:15put a stethoscope to his chest,
01:09:17and finally stepped back
01:09:19and pronounced Bundy dead.
01:09:21And then,
01:09:22I think it was the warden,
01:09:23someone announced
01:09:24that the death penalty
01:09:26had been carried out.
01:09:29I'm ashamed to admit
01:09:30that I was elated.
01:09:32I hope I'm never that happy
01:09:34over the death
01:09:35of another human being
01:09:36ever again.
01:09:41His witnesses
01:09:41walked out of the prison
01:09:43to signal Bundy's death.
01:09:44The crowd outside cheered.
01:10:01Then the hearse picked him up
01:10:03and drove down,
01:10:05and hundreds and hundreds
01:10:06of people ran after the hearse.
01:10:12For the man who murdered
01:10:13dozens of women,
01:10:15the irony of the final act
01:10:16of justice
01:10:17is that it may have been
01:10:18carried out by a female
01:10:19executioner,
01:10:20hidden from Bundy
01:10:21and others
01:10:22by a black hood.
01:10:31He decided
01:10:32that he would be cremated,
01:10:34and he wanted his remains
01:10:35spread over the Cascade Mountains.
01:10:39Where he said he had
01:10:40some of the best times
01:10:41of his life.
01:10:42But of course,
01:10:43that's also where the remains
01:10:44of some of his victims
01:10:45were found.
01:10:46And some probably
01:10:48still remain there.
01:10:53Did anyone know
01:10:54the real Ted?
01:10:56Was he just
01:10:57an evil genius
01:10:58as the Ted Bundy myth
01:11:00eventually became?
01:11:03Or was there something wrong?
01:11:05Was he not
01:11:06in complete control?
01:11:09He could have done
01:11:10something good
01:11:11with his life.
01:11:13But he didn't.
01:11:15He chose to go his way.
01:11:19There's never been
01:11:20anybody I've seen
01:11:21that remotely
01:11:22approaches
01:11:23what he was like.
01:11:26There were just
01:11:27too many things wrong,
01:11:28too many wires crossed.
01:11:30He was born
01:11:31with the safety off.
01:11:34And how did I feel
01:11:36about Ted?
01:11:37I don't think
01:11:38I really,
01:11:39really handled it.
01:11:41You know,
01:11:42he's gone.
01:11:44I don't deal with it.
01:11:46I sort of closed
01:11:47that chapter
01:11:48a long time ago
01:11:49in my life.
01:11:52I was very lucky.
01:11:55I got away
01:11:56from one of the world's
01:11:57most infamous
01:11:58serial killers.
01:11:59I sit and think
01:12:00about the victims
01:12:01and their families.
01:12:03He did not
01:12:05deserve to live.
01:12:08He's in a place
01:12:09where I hope
01:12:11that he's basically
01:12:13just burning in hell.
01:12:17Ted endures
01:12:18in the hearts
01:12:19and minds
01:12:20of those
01:12:20who knew him
01:12:21like a bad cold.
01:12:23He just keeps
01:12:23coming back.
01:12:26There's a kind
01:12:26of a taint
01:12:27that I can't
01:12:27get rid of.
01:12:29It was horrendous.
01:12:32Sometimes you wake
01:12:33up at night
01:12:34and think about it.
01:12:41He wants
01:12:42to be able
01:12:43to say we can
01:12:44identify
01:12:44these dangerous
01:12:46people.
01:12:47The really scary
01:12:48thing is you
01:12:49can identify
01:12:49these.
01:12:51People don't
01:12:51realize that
01:12:53there are potential
01:12:53killers among
01:12:54them.
01:12:57How could
01:12:57anyone live
01:12:58in a society
01:13:00where people
01:13:01they like,
01:13:02loved,
01:13:02lived with,
01:13:04worked with,
01:13:04and admired
01:13:06the next day
01:13:07turn out to be
01:13:08the most demonic
01:13:09people imaginable?
01:13:39they're not
01:13:42dangerous.
01:13:43We're not