00:00And obviously you're making fun of the area that you grew up in in Manhattan and that you still live
00:06in.
00:07Why do you think people are obsessed with reading, watching the Upper East Side?
00:15I feel like, I mean, there's with shows like Sex and the City or The Nanny Diaries, it's like a
00:22particularly rarefied world.
00:23And people like peeking through the keyhole and seeing that rich people can be miserable, which I think is always
00:30a theme in my work.
00:32Because you walk down Park Avenue right now with the tulips and there is that aspirational quality, but there's also
00:38a train wreck aspect to it.
00:40And I feel like that always drives the popcorn.
00:43And would you say like, you know, you went to Spence, right?
00:48Yes, I went to Spence in the 80s.
00:51And a really big difference from then and this particular moment of influencer culture is that I grew up with
00:59some of the daughters of the Gordon Gekko types, these titans of Wall Street.
01:03And remember stretch limousines?
01:05They had stretch limousines, drive them to school.
01:07But they always got dropped off two blocks away because they were embarrassed to pull up.
01:12It's the opposite now.
01:13People are photographing and posting the telltale oval windows on their private jet.
01:18Like people are disgusting.
01:19And that's just not how it was back then.
01:23There was an embarrassment of wealth and a subtlety about it.
01:26And now I feel like everyone is trying to be fabulous.
01:29And with social media, they're doubling down on their fabulosity because they can traffic in it.
01:35For all the people who have want to be pressed against the glass looking at their fabulous life.
01:40But with the movie Influenced, we partnered with Instagram.
01:44So they gave us all of their user interfaces.
01:47So we have actual Instagram fonts and the look and feel of it.
01:51So you see what she's posting, but then you also see her real life and the dichotomy between the fabulosity
01:57and, like, total loneliness.
01:59So how hard is it to raise your kids among that wealth and that privilege with the added, well, not
02:11bonus, with the added, I don't know, whatever you call it, something that's hard, dealing with social media and teaching
02:18them not to be show-offy?
02:21It was, you know, something I set out to do from the very beginning.
02:25I also want to prove to my husband, on our second date, Harry said, I don't know if I could
02:30ever raise kids in New York.
02:31And I just was like, check, please.
02:33This date's over because I'm never leaving because I will wither on the vine and die because I don't know
02:39how to drive and I can't live anywhere else.
02:40And I am going down with the ship.
02:43I always said, like, I'd rather, you know, die of stress than die of boredom.
02:48So when we agreed to raise kids here, he saw me bending over backwards, always trying to ground them.
02:58And we always, we volunteer a lot as a family at a food pantry in Queens.
03:02And we are very into just raising the kids with values.
03:07And really, they observed so much as little, even little kids.
03:11I always say, Ivy, this was sort of the genesis of Momzillas, actually, which became Odd Mom Out.
03:17When Ivy was two, she said, why are you the only mommy at school without red bottoms on your shoes?
03:25And I was horrified.
03:27But I also was like, wow, she's kind of observant.
03:29But I just explained, we like to spend money on other things like travel and we want to save and
03:36we want to, you know, I just said, this is just not my priority.
03:39People have different priorities.
03:41They also said, why do we not have a country house?
03:43That was a big one.
03:44We're lame because we don't go to the Hamptons.
03:46And I said, I don't drive.
03:47I don't like traffic.
03:49And we can visit people, but it's not for us.
03:52So, you know, I just said, like, this is how we do it.
03:55They didn't really have a choice.
03:57We also don't give them credit cards and let them go do all their, I mean, they have friends who
04:03are literally like can swipe their black card and do whatever they want.
04:07But they just know that that's not how we roll.
04:10You just have to keep teaching it.
04:12It's kind of a lesson that never ends, I guess.
04:14And were you worried at all?
04:17The movie, I say this as a fellow member of the tribe, is pretty dewy.
04:23Were you worried about that at all with, I don't know, increased anti-Semitism?
04:29No, because I feel like there's been, the movie played in a bunch of Jewish film festivals to kind of
04:34build buzz in the tribe.
04:37And the feedback I got was, you know, it's been so heavy for all of us since October 7th.
04:43And just really dark with all the hatred.
04:47And it's good to have Jewish joy out there and have levity and have something light.
04:52It's 88 minutes.
04:53This isn't like you're going on a two-hour, 45-minute odyssey.
04:57It's bubblegum.
04:58It's meant to be light and fun, and we deserve it.
05:01Did you feel, oh, I guess you didn't care.
05:02But there must have been a pressure there for other men.
05:05I don't give a s**t.
05:06And I would wear my Urban Outfitters, you know, vomited on me, basically.
05:10And I had three kids in four years.
05:12So when I was picking up my oldest, I had spit up on me from my son.
05:17And I was a hot mess.
05:19I mean, I looked like s**t for 10 years.
05:20I look at the pictures, and I'm just exhausted.
05:23And I'd rather be 51 than 31, I will tell you right now.
05:27I mean, I just feel so much better rested and more put together.
05:32I was a hot mess.
05:35But no, I didn't feel any pressure.
05:37I don't feel pressure because I also feel lucky enough that I'm from here.
05:41So New York doesn't intimidate me.
05:43Whereas I feel like if you're from some rectangular red state in the middle,
05:46you might have this notion of, like, everyone's Carrie Bradshaw walking down the street looking perfect.
05:51But I never felt like I had to.
05:55I think also, like, not to sound corny, but the message is, like, okay, yes,
06:01this person has this money or this wealth or this privilege.
06:06But at the end of the day, we're all humans who, you know, struggling with relationships,
06:14love their friends, don't like, you know, don't get along with friends.
06:17Or, I don't know, we're all humans, basically.
06:19And also, well, that's the thing is my friend group, my five best friends are the five bridesmaids
06:24still from my wedding 24 years ago.
06:26And we are raw and honest with each other and share, like, whether it's tragedy and crying
06:34of a loss of a parent or whatever it is.
06:36Whereas I feel like some people, they meet their friends and they all want to be perfect.
06:41And if you say, how are you?
06:43It's like, never better.
06:44Everything's perfect.
06:45Everything is 100% because they're trying to project this.
06:49It's not them.
06:50It's the ambassador of themselves.
06:52And I feel like you're not connecting.
06:55All that matters to me is human connection.
06:57We're all going to die.
06:59Like, you may as well feel connected to people on a real level.
07:02And you're not doing that if you're spinning social plates and air kissing everyone and
07:07trying to sound like your life's perfect.
07:09Because that's just total bullshit.
07:11Right.
07:12So I don't get the point.
07:13You see a lot of relationships like that where people are kind of transactional or they want
07:19to be friends with billionaires because it somehow feels like it's going to rub off.
07:22I never understood social climbing and social climbing rich people because it's not like
07:27they cut you checks.
07:28But I think some people are insecure and they feel better about themselves if they have fabulous
07:32friends.
07:33Right.
07:33And lastly, we did an item about it.
07:37You talked about it, that you're blonde in the movie, that you couldn't believe the difference
07:42in how you were treated.
07:44Yeah, it was so crazy.
07:45I mean, no one hits on me.
07:47I'm like a middle of age vampire and no one ever hits on me.
07:51I've actually had a couple of women hit on me, but not guys, really.
07:55And out of the blue, you know, I also, yes, I had a double mastectomy.
07:59So I have fake boobs.
08:00But the character, I dress very covered up.
08:02You know, I dress like George Washington.
08:04My mom says I dress like a Sicilian widow, but I always have sort of the Edwardian collars.
08:09And I had cleavage for the first time in my life.
08:12I mean, in this movie.
08:14And you walk down the street.
08:15So between the long blonde beach waves and the boobs, I definitely saw guys saying something
08:22to me, saying hi, even at 51.
08:24It was so surprising.
08:25But they're not the guys you want.
08:27They were really cheese balls.
08:29And doing pickup lines, I didn't know that was a real thing because no one's ever used pickup
08:33lines on.
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