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Believe Me - Season 1 Episode 4
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00:00¡Suscríbete al canal!
00:30...something bubbly.
00:31And you drank that, too.
00:32Because he forced me to.
00:34He's like a professional conman.
00:36You continue to constitute a significant risk of serious harm.
00:41I therefore pass down on you a minimum custodial term of eight years.
00:46I was told that the Crown Prosecution Service had looked at all the evidence.
00:51No, I can tell you that the CPS did not review the evidence in your case.
00:55They lied to me.
00:56Why didn't she flag, Dave?
00:58It seems it wasn't ever recorded as a crime.
01:00It was only logged as a crime-related incident.
01:03You know, I've been looking into bringing a complaint against the police for the way they treated us.
01:07So you're asking, do I want to sue the police with you?
01:11My advice would be to pursue this under the Human Rights Act.
01:14The only problem is, is that it's never been done before.
01:17Eight years did spook me a bit.
01:19Yeah, he's not getting out.
01:20Well, after eight years, he could apply for parole.
01:22In order to do that, he'd first have to admit to what he's done.
01:36So, this is where you'll be working?
01:38Everybody?
01:39This is Carrie Simmons, who's joining the comms team today.
01:42Hey.
01:43Hello.
01:43Hi.
01:43Oh, it's actually Simon's.
01:46Oh, I'm sorry.
01:47And this is Cherry, your new neighbour.
01:50Hi.
01:51I'll leave you to it.
02:10Carrie.
02:11Sorry.
02:12I hope you don't mind me bringing this up, but...
02:15Aren't you the girl who was a victim of that black cab guy?
02:20The rapist.
02:22Hmm.
02:23Um, not sure about the victim, but, um, yes, I did do some interviews about it.
02:29I understand a lot of women came forward after that, but you have sort of put yourself out
02:34there now as, like, that girl.
02:39Uh, well, I...
02:41I learnt a lot from that experience about how, you know, the media operates, so...
02:48Hopefully, I'm a bit savvier now.
03:07So, I printed you both a document of all the materials we've received from the Met, and
03:13as predicted, they were mightily pissed off at having to hand it over.
03:15And they even said that, uh, they had no desire in the current financial climate to spend
03:21disproportionate sums defending a claim that was many years out of date and legally had
03:26no prospect of success.
03:29Well, they can fuck right off.
03:32Couldn't have said it any better myself.
03:33OK, so, as predicted, the IPCC investigations into both of your cases find the complaints
03:40are not substantiated, and the most serious disciplinary action that they recommended was, uh, a few
03:46written warnings.
03:47What about telling me that the CPS had reviewed my case when it hadn't?
03:54A genuine mistake.
03:56OK, and what about not telling me that they found the drugs that he used to sedate me in
04:02my bloodstream?
04:03They actually do find that largely substantiated, but they... they do want to note that the investigating
04:08officer at the time had, um, a heavy workload.
04:12What?
04:13We now know that they didn't search Warboy's house when he was first arrested.
04:17I was told that they did, and that they didn't find anything incriminating.
04:21But actually, the most incredible revelation is of the CCTV footage of you leaving the club
04:26that night.
04:29They said that there was no sign of me on the footage.
04:33That's because they were looking at the wrong night.
04:35The 27th.
04:36Not the 26th.
04:38If they had the correct date, they would have seen that you'd left the club at 2am.
04:41And they would have known that Warboy's was lying when he said he picked you up at 3.50.
04:46The initial investigation didn't even analyse your mobile phone data, which would have confirmed
04:51when you got into his cab and where he took you.
04:56It's like a joke.
04:58I'm guessing it doesn't get any funnier for me.
05:00No.
05:01Because almost all the allegations in your case, they say, are not proven.
05:04You saying that you weren't believed.
05:06Not proven.
05:07Being told not to show emotion in your interview.
05:09Well, DC Stevens even denies ever saying that to you, so it's your word against his.
05:13The only concession is that they agree that the guy living in your old flat, Billy Houghton,
05:19should have been interviewed.
05:21And to cap it all off, they've released a statement saying that they have improved training
05:25and changed procedures so that none of this will ever happen again.
05:31It's what they always do.
05:32So, what do we do?
05:35Because, to be honest, this is only making me even more determined.
05:38Yeah, same.
05:39We need somebody who's going to take this on for us in court.
05:41And I have somebody in mind.
05:44A really top barrister.
05:49I've met this guy.
05:52Tell me more.
05:55It was an arranged thing.
05:57My mum insisted on it.
06:00I actually think she would have kicked me out onto the street if I hadn't agreed to it.
06:04What's his name?
06:05What's he like?
06:05He's quite nice, actually.
06:11I am.
06:13Good Muslim boy.
06:15He wore cream chinos.
06:18Good looking.
06:20Not bad.
06:23Are you going to see him again?
06:27I don't know.
06:29I don't know.
06:30I just keep thinking...
06:35What's the point?
06:38I haven't even told my family about what happened to me.
06:41I certainly...
06:43I couldn't tell him.
06:48It's like...
06:51I feel like...
06:55I feel like nobody would want me...
06:59if they knew.
07:00You know, at some point, you're going to have to talk about it.
07:05And not just with me.
07:08You know, I tried that with Gav at first.
07:11Keeping it all buried, worrying about what you think of me.
07:16It's exhausting.
07:19I couldn't do it anymore.
07:22I realised I had to come to terms with what happened to me,
07:24and so I thought, fuck it.
07:26I'm going to tell you whether you want to hear it or not for my sake.
07:31And Gav's not perfect.
07:33Sure, he'd say I'm not easy to live with either, but...
07:38But to be fair,
07:40since I told him,
07:42he's been nothing but supportive.
07:45So,
07:46maybe give Cream Geno's a chance.
07:55You see, the problem I've got with this programme you're talking about
07:58is I would have to tell the truth.
08:00I can't just sit here and tell you lies, sir.
08:04The last thing we want in a treatment programme is for you to lie.
08:10It's just not in me.
08:11So why don't we begin with you talking about the offences for which you've been convicted?
08:15Well, that's the problem, because I didn't do anything.
08:18I'm an innocent man.
08:21And that's your position?
08:22As far as I'm concerned, any encounters were consensual.
08:25It was all just a bit of harmless fun.
08:28And as for drugging them,
08:30that's complete nonsense.
08:34See, I shouldn't be in here,
08:36and that's the truth.
08:40I know you no longer call yourself John Warboys.
08:43You now call yourself John Radford.
08:45Why is that?
08:47It's very simple.
08:50The name Warboys is dirt, innit?
08:54Because of what those women said about me,
08:56because of their false accusations.
08:58I can't even call myself by my own name anymore.
09:18It's really late.
09:19Why not give it a rest and pick it up again tomorrow, eh?
09:21That police officer who first looked into my case,
09:23DC Stevens,
09:24I kept asking him to talk to Billy Houghton,
09:26the guy that lived in my old flat,
09:28because he saw Warboys that night.
09:29Stephen says here
09:30that I was reluctant for him to talk to Billy.
09:33What an arsehole.
09:36Such absolute bollocks.
09:38It says here
09:39he has never had any specialist training
09:41for investigations into rape or sexual assault,
09:44and in fact, no training at all since 1989.
09:49I'll see you in the morning.
09:53Don't be too long.
10:03Ladies, can I introduce you to Philippa Kaufman?
10:11Philippa, this is Sarah, and this is Leila.
10:14Very pleased to meet you.
10:15Hi.
10:15Welcome.
10:16Now, we're about to go in with the police's lawyers
10:19for what's called a structured settlement discussion.
10:22Basically, can we resolve this without going to court?
10:24Is there a non-financial remedy we can explore,
10:27such as a public apology to you?
10:29Can I just ask, is that a possibility?
10:31A public apology from them?
10:32Not a count's chance in hell, I'm afraid,
10:34but it may help our case later on
10:37if we can at least say we tried.
10:39Right.
10:40Ladies, follow me.
10:51Twenty-nine women were attacked by war boys
10:56after he attacked me,
10:57before he was finally arrested.
11:01Twenty-nine.
11:03Those are all individual lives messed up
11:07that didn't need to be.
11:10And those are just the women that we know about.
11:14I mean, there are almost certainly more
11:16who never reported what happened to them.
11:19I was disbelieved and humiliated,
11:21and I don't believe the police
11:24have sufficiently been held to account.
11:26I think the impact of what the police did to me
11:28was worse than the actual rape itself.
11:32Like Leila, I continue to live with a sense of guilt
11:35for all the women that came after me.
11:37Even though I know it's not my fault,
11:40I asked myself,
11:41could I have done more to stop him?
11:43I'm shocked that you won't just admit liability.
11:47The fact that you are fighting this
11:51makes me feel like you still don't believe me.
11:55The police's position is that,
11:58whilst we are, of course,
12:00sympathetic to the undoubted trauma
12:02you have both suffered,
12:04we do not admit any liability
12:06on the part of the Metropolitan Police.
12:08We believe the investigation
12:10into the crimes of John Warboys
12:12was reasonable,
12:13ultimately successful.
12:15Successful?
12:16It took you five years
12:18to work out these attacks were linked.
12:20Year after year,
12:21you've left to roam the streets
12:22and attack other women
12:23when you should have been locked up.
12:30What we would like to do, however,
12:32is to invite you both
12:33to attend a police training program,
12:35present your experiences to the attendees.
12:38The hope is that this would be educational
12:41and beneficial to both sides.
12:44Right, I think we're done here.
12:47Ladies, Harriet.
12:49Thank you.
12:51Fucking training program.
12:53Shh.
12:58Okay, now you can talk.
13:00They've got two hopes of us
13:01talking to this load of trainee policemen
13:03about what happened to us.
13:04Bob hope and no fucking hope,
13:05and you can tell them that from me.
13:07What a patronizing load of all bullshit.
13:10Ladies, I think we're going to get along just fine.
13:42I think we're going to get along just fine.
13:44It appears the Met
13:45I'm not going to call him to give evidence.
13:47What?
13:48I suspect that they think
13:49he'll be so undermining to their case
13:51that they want to keep him away at all costs.
13:53Now, the problem is,
13:54if we call him,
13:55we won't be able to cross-examine him
13:57because in cases like this,
13:59that's the rule.
14:00So he won't have to give an account
14:02of himself in court?
14:05I'm sorry.
14:16NBV told us that
14:18even after she'd been sick in the toilet,
14:20she still carried on drinking.
14:22Did this have
14:24an impact on your assessment
14:26of NBV?
14:27The CCTV footage
14:29of her falling over at the campus
14:31was entirely consistent
14:32with the actions of someone
14:33who had had too much
14:34to drink that night.
14:35I thought the whole thing
14:37was odd.
14:39I thought it was odd
14:40that an educated girl
14:42would accept a drink
14:43from a stranger
14:43in those circumstances.
14:46DSD told us
14:47she had taken some cocaine
14:48with her friends
14:49and this showed up subsequently
14:50in her blood tests.
14:51Had she also drunk alcohol
14:54that evening
14:55before getting into
14:56Warboy's cab?
14:57Well, her friends told us
14:58they'd put her into the cab
14:59after their night out
15:00because she was so out of it.
15:04My conclusion was
15:05that DSD had not sustained
15:07any specific psychiatric injury
15:09as a consequence of the rape.
15:11She had, however,
15:12suffered a depressive episode
15:13as a consequence
15:14of how she'd been dealt with
15:15by the police.
15:18Well, following the assault,
15:20NBV developed symptoms
15:21of post-traumatic stress disorder,
15:24including nightmares,
15:24intrusive imagery,
15:26flashbacks,
15:28avoidance,
15:29anxiety and depression,
15:31poor concentration
15:31and social withdrawal.
15:33She still suffers
15:35from moderate to severe symptoms.
15:37She can be tearful
15:38and experiences mood swings.
15:41And she suffers
15:42from continuing sexual aversion
15:45and a lack of sexual enjoyment.
15:54Are you aware,
15:56Inspector Underwood,
15:57of a guide
15:58which outlines
15:59the Met's
15:59standard operating procedures
16:01for investigative techniques
16:03in rape
16:03and sexual assault cases?
16:06I am aware of it, yes.
16:08It lays out detailed steps
16:10and considerations
16:11to be followed
16:11from a starting point
16:13of treating
16:14the victim's account
16:16as truthful,
16:17does it not?
16:19I don't know.
16:22Why not, may I ask?
16:24I just can't recall it
16:25in any detail.
16:26As a member
16:26of one of the Met's
16:28SAFIRE teams,
16:30which are
16:30specialist rape
16:32and sexual assault
16:33investigation units,
16:34I find that
16:35quite an extraordinary
16:36thing for you to say.
16:38In my opinion,
16:39it's not something
16:39I consider practical
16:40to apply to each
16:41and every case.
16:43To this case?
16:45I think these
16:47policies are fine
16:48in theory,
16:49but they're not
16:50always applicable
16:51to day-to-day policing.
16:53Then why have they
16:54been set out
16:54by the Met
16:55as their guidelines?
16:58I think they have
17:00been created
17:01purely to protect
17:03the police
17:03from legal challenges.
17:05If a case
17:06is not classified
17:07as a serious
17:08sexual assault,
17:09then details
17:09of the investigation
17:10are not entered
17:11into the criminal
17:11intelligence computer
17:12database,
17:13are they?
17:15No.
17:16Meaning,
17:17no closing report
17:19would need to be done,
17:20would it?
17:20No.
17:21Is that a good thing?
17:23Honestly,
17:23an opportunity
17:25to not have to do one
17:26would be taken gladly.
17:28Was there a drive
17:29from your superiors
17:31at Borough Management
17:32to disprove
17:33allegations of rape
17:34and sexual assault?
17:37Yes.
17:38Why was that?
17:40Because if an allegation
17:42can be legally disproved,
17:43then it would improve
17:44detection rates.
17:45So junior officers
17:46were effectively
17:47encouraged not to
17:48pursue allegations
17:49of rape and sexual
17:50assault and instead
17:50to focus on other
17:51crimes, such as
17:52burglary, which were
17:53easier to clear up.
17:54Is that right?
17:57Broadly speaking,
17:58yes.
17:59Coming now,
18:01D.C.
18:01Coldham,
18:02specifically to the
18:03case NBV.
18:04Even though her case
18:05bore all the hallmarks
18:06of a drug-facilitated
18:07sexual assault,
18:08she was not treated
18:09as such,
18:09was she?
18:10Personally,
18:11I believed her account.
18:12But I knew there was
18:13no prospect of the case
18:14being reopened once
18:15the forensic and
18:16toxicology results
18:17had come back
18:17as inconclusive.
18:18Even though there
18:19were still many
18:20important leads
18:21still to be followed up?
18:22Yes.
18:23So under pressure
18:24from Onhai,
18:25her case was not
18:27recorded as a serious
18:28sexual assault,
18:29supervision from more
18:30senior officers
18:31did not occur,
18:32and her case was not
18:32entered into the
18:33databases?
18:35No.
18:35And the case was
18:36cleared up in three
18:37months.
18:38No case closure report,
18:40no detailed report
18:41entered into the system,
18:43and the borough's
18:43clear-up rate was
18:44thereby improved
18:45since the case
18:46was not left
18:47as unsolved.
18:49Like I say,
18:50that was the
18:51situation at the time.
19:03Thanks.
19:04I can't believe you're
19:05still waiting on a
19:06judgement.
19:07Well, this one'll be
19:08born before we hear.
19:09So, how's life then?
19:12I'll be honest,
19:12things are not great
19:13with Gav.
19:14Hmm?
19:15It's me.
19:16It's pushed me away.
19:17I know I do.
19:19I just find it so hard
19:21to really let go
19:23emotionally, you know?
19:25He's always been
19:25pretty understanding
19:26though, hasn't he?
19:27Yeah, and he still is.
19:30Sexy shit.
19:32I hate being naked.
19:36I actually hate
19:36opening my fucking
19:37legs, to be honest
19:38with you.
19:40Must be like going
19:41to bed with a slab
19:42of marble.
19:43At least he got you
19:44pregnant.
19:45Yeah, I got a bit
19:46drunk that night,
19:46which helped.
19:48Let's just say, it wasn't
19:50entirely planned.
19:53and that blood's
19:56that blood's
19:57blood for Jesus,
19:59the strife will not
20:01be long.
20:03This day, the noise
20:05of battle
20:07protects the
20:09winter's song.
20:11To him
20:12overcome
20:14the crown
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24:19Can I ask what has brought about this change of heart?
24:23Him.
24:26Up there, the Lord Jesus Christ has shown me the way.
24:35I felt so guilty, I didn't know who to speak to.
24:39And then I found religion and I decided that, you know,
24:42if I'm going to follow the Lord, I've got to be honest and admit to what I've done.
24:50Let's talk about what happened.
25:02I always felt guilty about my offences.
25:07But to begin with, I maintained some hope that my convictions would be overturned
25:11and I might be released.
25:14But I can see now that this is unrealistic.
25:17And so I've decided to use this as a motivation for me to take responsibility for what I've done.
25:28You know, to let these women know how sorry I am.
25:36And to be honest, you know.
25:40And talk about everything.
25:47I hope that they will be okay and get on with their lives.
25:51I really do.
25:54I'm sorry, can I get a tissue?
25:59Sorry.
26:02Do you think you're ready to start the sexual offenders treatment programme?
26:09That's what he's telling me.
26:15I'm sorry.
26:20Here they are.
26:27How are you both?
26:31We'll get them on to sleep, but yeah.
26:34We're good.
26:36I'm going to make some tea.
26:38Shh, shh, shh, shh.
26:44How is this looking smart?
26:50Do you like to hold her?
26:52Can I?
27:06She's so beautiful.
27:12You know, I've only ever wanted the best for you.
27:16Hmm?
27:17You know that?
27:19I know.
27:21I know.
27:24Adam is a good man.
27:27Yeah.
27:30He is.
27:48You got knocked back then?
27:51On your parole?
27:57I told them about finding God.
28:01I put me hands up to it all.
28:03Told them how remorseful I am.
28:06Well, that'll only get you so far, mate.
28:09In my experience, you need to give them a reason.
28:12What do you mean?
28:14A reason why you started doing what you were doing in the first place.
28:17You can't do that.
28:19They're never going to believe that you know how to stop.
28:25She was an old girlfriend, you know.
28:27I don't really want to talk about her.
28:29I mean, can I, you know, talk about someone completely innocent?
28:34Whoever this person is, they can be anonymised in any reports.
28:42Well, she left me.
28:45When was this?
28:46Well, it was about, uh, summertime 2005.
28:52And I was really cut up about it.
28:54You know, and then we were sort of on off and...
28:58And then I remember about a year later, she phoned me and asked me to come and pick her up
29:03and take her back to mine.
29:04And I was excited about this.
29:06But when I got to this bar, she was absolutely hammered.
29:10They're totally drunk.
29:13All I'd like to do was take her home to her mum's.
29:16And I was on my own again.
29:18I kept absolutely furious.
29:32That night, I went looking for someone.
29:36That would have been the first one.
29:38That was around...
29:40September, October 2006.
29:46And then it just grew from there.
29:48The truth was, I only gave them half a tablet because I didn't want to do them too much harm.
29:56And then when they were out of it, I'd just...
30:01Touch their leg or look up their skirts.
30:04I sort of played with myself.
30:08I only actually put my penis inside one of them.
30:15That's all.
30:17Maybe...
30:20Four seconds?
30:21I mean, I don't blame my ex.
30:24I take full responsibility for me actions.
30:31I can see now that that was the trigger.
30:38Do you want cereal or toast?
30:41Uh...
30:42Toast, please.
30:44There you go.
30:45You take that.
30:48Hey!
30:48Oh, no!
30:49It's toast falling!
30:51Hi!
30:53No, no, no, no.
30:55I've got food for fun.
30:57Good.
30:58Can you take over a sec?
31:00Dance before you eat.
31:02Now let's dance!
31:04Come and see me!
31:19It can't be true!
31:21It's the same as before, if you just find out about it from the telly.
31:24Ellos decían que no se pudieran fuera de la prisión.
31:27Es maldita.
31:29Es maldita.
31:31Él ha atacado a 100 mujeres.
31:34¿Cómo puede que nadie sea que sea seguro para que él salga en la calle?
31:39Porque no podemos saber la razón.
31:42El problema principal es que estamos tratando de entender por qué han aprobado esto.
31:46Porque vivimos en Mars.
31:48Pero por qué no nos hemos consultado.
31:51Porque el sistema no tiene cuenta la views de la víctima.
31:54Cuando estas cosas son decididas, el crimen tiene su lugar a la mesa,
31:58el parole board, el Ministerio de Justicia, también.
32:00Pero la views de la víctima no se han considerado.
32:03¿Soy solo hay que estar ahí y mirar?
32:06Bueno, no.
32:07Tenemos que ponerle presión a David Gauke, la Secretaría de Secretaría.
32:10O sea, tenemos que pedirle a revisión de la decisión
32:13que era legalmente irracional para liberar War Boys.
32:16Y tenemos que mover rápido.
32:18Una cosa que hemos podido saber es que,
32:21como tarde como 2015,
32:23él fue deniado transferir de un alto-segurito prison
32:26a un alto-segurito open prison
32:28en el caso de que posee un riesgo de unacceptable.
32:31Ya, dos años después,
32:32están diciendo que es suitable para...
32:33Eso parece bastante irracional para mí.
32:38La thought...
32:39...of him being released
32:40en just a few weeks
32:43es...
32:43...
32:45...y...
32:45...es...
32:46...terrifying.
32:47Listen to me.
32:48We are going to fight.
32:50To stop that from happening,
32:51we are going to scrap
32:52and we are going to fight.
32:54We've got to go.
32:57Leila.
32:57No, it...
32:58They'll be wondering where I am.
33:00I'll go after her.
33:01Make sure she's all right.
33:06No, no, no, no, no.
33:32Well, I had a very interesting phone call from Carrie Simons this afternoon.
33:36She gave evidence of the original trial?
33:38Yes, I remember her.
33:39Well, now she works for the Conservative Party press office.
33:44And she phoned to say how angry she was and to offer her services.
33:48Oh, yeah.
33:49Yeah, so I think she'd be very useful in lobbying David Cork.
33:55War Boys never once showed remorse.
33:58He described his behavior as banter and insisted that the women accusing him of rape,
34:05who took to the stand in tears, shattered by the experience, had in fact wanted to have sex with him.
34:14The decision to free him was made a few months ago by a parole board panel.
34:17We don't know who made up this panel, and we don't know how and why they came to this decision.
34:25Hi, David.
34:27Just two minutes once you're done.
34:29Oh, I'll catch you.
34:30Right.
34:31I just wondered if you might want to read this op-ed piece that I've written.
34:35What's it about?
34:36Bill Warboys' parole board decision.
34:38You know that decision was based on the reports from several psychologists.
34:42I think he's pulled the wool over their eyes.
34:47You might not know this, but as a young woman, I was drugged by him in the back of his
34:52taxi.
34:52And I just thought, full disclosure, as Justice Secretary, you should know what I've said here.
34:58Okay.
34:59I'll have a read.
35:00Thank you.
35:12Moving down to Belmarsh then, John.
35:15Not long to go now, is it?
35:18From there, by the grace of God, I'll be released.
35:25Free men.
35:38I would just like to say that I was just as surprised as you all probably were when I
35:44was asked to take this job on, but I was pleasantly surprised.
35:49I promise to give it my all.
35:51Thank you.
35:56Congratulations.
35:58Youngest ever head of comms.
36:01You've done so well.
36:03Thank you.
36:05I do have just a small fly I must put in the ointment, though.
36:10David Gork told me that the MOJ will not be pursuing a judicial review of that parole board decision on
36:16John Warburg's.
36:16Why not?
36:17He said something about legal advice.
36:20But then he's going to get out.
36:21Fuck!
36:22Shit!
36:23Carrie.
36:25I'm telling you this as a friend.
36:27Okay?
36:28But people have been saying you've been a bit distracted lately.
36:31Well, then they can mind their own business.
36:32Come on.
36:33I'm just saying don't let this stuff get in the way of what's really important.
36:36Okay?
36:38And why you're actually here.
36:41Your career is taking off, Carrie.
36:44Don't blow it now.
36:47I really thought David fucking Gork would get behind us.
36:50It's so disappointing.
36:52My guess is he's looked at all of this and he's thinking his department doesn't come out of its milling
36:56of roses.
36:57So what can we do now?
36:58We can push for a review of the decision on behalf of Sarah and Layla.
37:02Can we do that?
37:03I'm not sure private individuals will have the legal standing, but we can certainly give it a try.
37:08Money is going to be a problem, though.
37:09The rules have changed since the human rights case.
37:11It's now no longer possible to take out insurance against losing.
37:15Meaning that Sarah and Layla would be personally responsible for the parole board's legal costs if we lost?
37:20Precisely.
37:21We need to raise money fast, but by going against the government, you could be risking your career.
37:28I'm on it.
37:29Yes, it is a letter that I've been asking London MPs to sign.
37:33A lot of them already have, protesting against the parole board's decision.
37:37The women he attacked are fighting to have his parole overturned,
37:41and maybe this is something that your paper could take a more detailed look at.
37:46And hey, if you do decide to print, don't forget to include the details of the crowd justice link
37:51at the bottom of your story.
37:52Okay, well, I'll talk to my editor and we'll keep you in touch, all right?
37:55We're still being contacted by women who say that they are victims of war boys.
37:59In the last few days, I spoke to a woman in Bournemouth who's convinced that eventually more victims will come
38:04forward from that area
38:05because he also drove his cab down there.
38:07How about the appeal for donations to help with legal support?
38:10Well, we've been completely overwhelmed by the level of support that we've received since opening our crowd justice page.
38:17The donations have been pouring in, for which we are incredibly grateful.
38:33Rehabilitated?
38:34He denied everything until nine months before the first time he could apply for parole.
38:38Hmm, and then he found God.
38:40Right, conveniently.
38:41Just in time for parole, he saw the light.
38:46Only gave half a tamazepam.
38:48Says he only raped one woman.
38:52Penis inside vagina for four seconds.
38:54Wait a minute.
38:55Yes, here.
38:57Says he only started offending in 2006 after the breakup with his girlfriend.
39:04Yes, I'm just saying that.
39:06Oh, thank you, Lord.
39:08Lord.
39:20Go on, you two.
39:21Mum is really late.
39:22Keep going.
39:23Keep going.
39:24It's going to be really good for Conor, okay?
39:27Right, move the bell right there.
39:29Okay.
39:32Okay.
39:33There he is.
39:34It's exciting.
39:38Right, be good.
39:39All right, guys.
39:40Go on, run up.
39:40There's cakes up there.
39:42Bye.
39:44Thanks so much for doing this.
39:46She's all right.
39:46I knew it would happen on half term.
39:48Jack's with his mate, so...
39:50It's not a problem.
39:50You know I'm happy to help.
39:52How's things at home?
39:54Um, not great.
39:57Gab's actually moved out now, so...
39:59Okay.
40:00Sorry to hear.
40:04Anyway, I beg I go.
40:05I thought I'd be late, but thanks again.
40:07I'll see you later.
40:08All right, good luck.
40:15Hi.
40:16Hi, I'm running late.
40:17Are you nearly there yet?
40:20I'm sorry, I didn't get on the train.
40:24I'm not coming down.
40:26I just...
40:27I only thought the idea of seeing him again.
40:31I just can't do it.
40:33Yeah, I...
40:33I don't know how you can face going back to that horrible time, Sarah.
40:38Because I want to have my moment in court with him today.
40:41Sorry.
40:42I know I'm letting you down.
40:44No, you're not.
40:45Listen, if that's what you want to do, what you need to do, fuck it.
40:50Fuck them.
40:51Whatever works.
40:52I am sorry.
40:55Stop apologizing, okay?
40:57Okay, listen, I'm gonna have to go with us.
40:59I'll be late, but I'll let you know how it goes, okay?
41:00Okay, thank you.
41:01Okay, bye-bye, bye-bye.
41:04Okay, bye-bye, bye-bye.
41:37Okay, bye-bye, bye-bye.
42:02My lords, this is a unique case, in which someone who has been granted his freedom has
42:10then had it taken away from him.
42:12If ever there was a case for the use of the judicial review jurisdiction to be exercised
42:18with the greatest care and anxious scrutiny, this is that case.
42:31We say that Mr. Warboys has been seriously minimizing the nature and extent of his offending and has
42:38been dishonestly manufacturing his explanation.
42:41Furthermore, we say the board has failed to take into account critical evidence, evidence
42:46which it was not in its discretion to ignore, evidence which, if it was going to reach a lawful
42:52decision, it had to take into account.
42:55In the notes of the sessions attended with the psychologists, Mr. Warboys admits responsibility
43:02only for those offences for which he was convicted, a total of 19 offences, carefully selected
43:11by the Crown Prosecution Service, as you can see from their statement, so as to not overload
43:16the indictment.
43:19These offences were against a total of 12 women, and Warboys says his offending began in September, October, 2006.
43:30But let's look then at what evidence is out there, because that evidence paints a very, very different picture
43:38to the one presented by Mr. Warboys to the parole board.
43:41The police's conclusion, having investigated all of the offences that resulted in the charges
43:47brought against Mr. Warboys, is that he committed offences against a total of 105 women.
44:00We submit this is very powerful evidence that Mr. Warboys' offending was more extensive
44:07than anything he has admitted, and, crucially, we can see from the evidence given to the police
44:16by the witness, DSD, we can see that his offending went back to, at the very least, May 2003.
44:28That is more than three years before the date, he says, is when he began offending, which blows
44:36out of the water, the parole board's assessment that he has taken full responsibility for his
44:41offences, or that he has been open and honest in his account.
45:12Thank you.
45:17Thank you.
45:17.
45:17.
45:18.
45:18.
45:19No, no, no, no.
45:48No, no, no, no.
46:20No, no, no, no.
46:39No, no, no.
47:09No, no, no.
47:17No, no, no.
47:19No, no.
47:19No, no.
47:37No, no.
47:40No, no, no.
48:39No, no, no.
48:40No, no, no.
48:54No, no.
48:55No, no, no.
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