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Believe Me - Season 1 Episode 3
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01:30He's a black cab driver.
01:31That's four attacks.
01:32And we haven't really got started on a proper search.
01:34And we haven't really got started on a proper search.
01:59Yeah, of course you could touch him again.
02:01Good boy.
02:05Oh, big grunts.
02:08How does it feel, Daddy?
02:11I can't believe it.
02:13What do you think?
02:14He looks pretty.
02:15Oh, he is pretty. He's very pretty.
02:18You're amazing.
02:19How are you?
02:21Yeah, my back's killing me.
02:23Leaking milk all over the place, but...
02:25Happy.
02:27What do you think?
02:28He looks clever.
02:29He doesn't look...
02:3630 grand!
02:38On a scratch card!
02:40I couldn't believe it!
02:42I mean, like, something like that never happens to people like me, does it?
02:46Er, no.
02:47Never.
02:49Congratulations.
02:50Anyway, I can't drink because I'm driving, so this is on me.
02:57Cheers.
03:10No, no, I'm an idiot, really.
03:12You know, the first thing you do is you go and buy a bottle of champagne, then you win money
03:16as big as that.
03:17But, like, I'm driving, and I just didn't think.
03:20I'm so excited.
03:23What am I like?
03:30So, how broad-minded are you, then?
03:34You won't believe some of the stories people tell me in this cab.
03:39What guys are prepared to pay for when it comes to sex?
03:42Can you let me out, please?
03:47Look, would you say...
03:50Give someone a blowjob for a lot of money?
03:52Like, you know, like, say five grand.
03:54Would you give a guy a blowjob for five grand?
03:57Look, I've texted my husband.
03:59He'll be waiting for me.
04:00See, you're a gorgeous looking girl.
04:03I'd love to have sex with you.
04:04I want to make a few quid on the side.
04:06Let me out.
04:07Open it.
04:07Just think of it as a bit of a laugh, really.
04:09Let me out.
04:13That's my husband.
04:15Let me out.
04:16Open it.
04:24You're really wasting my fucking time tonight!
04:28My team has now taken over this investigation.
04:31And the number of attacks we are investigating has now risen to five after further searches
04:38of our database revealed another possibly linked sexual assault in June 2005.
04:43So the plan is to put out a press release on Friday morning with the object of making the women
04:50of London aware that there is potentially a serial sex attacker out there driving a black cab.
04:57Why has a link between all these attacks only just been made?
05:00From what you've just told me, he's been doing this for a minimum of three years.
05:04So why wasn't a link spotted before now?
05:07Aren't your team supposed to be looking for links the whole time?
05:10The link was picked up during a routine review of sexual offences.
05:13Routine?
05:14Well, your other routine reviews couldn't have been very thorough then, could they?
05:17Not if this was missed for three years.
05:20We're doing all we can.
05:23One other question, why Friday?
05:26Why wait until Friday to get this out there?
05:30Plans have to be put in place.
05:32What about other girls going out in London tonight?
05:35They're in danger too, aren't they?
06:03No, no, no, no, no, no!
06:05You stay down there!
06:10What are you doing, eh?
06:41We believe there is a black cab driver out there tricking women passengers into drinking a glass of champagne, which
06:47he has drugged, and then sexually assaulting those women.
06:52Now, typically, he tells them he's had a win at a casino or on the lottery and that he wants
06:57them to celebrate with him.
06:59Then he offers them the champagne.
07:02Now, we have linked five cases so far, but we believe there are more,
07:08which is why we're asking anyone who recognises this method or any method similar to this to come forward and
07:14help us identify this man.
07:16You won't believe what he said to me this time.
07:18What's he done now?
07:19I thought he was joking, right?
07:20But he says, if I bought you a ring, would you move in with me?
07:23And I'm like, ooh, what type of ring?
07:25And then he says, a friendship ring.
07:27What?
07:28Exactly.
07:29I said, you can get lost, mate.
07:30A friendship ring.
07:32Do you want me to be your house, mate?
07:34Can I get veggie sausage, please?
07:35He's taking the piss, isn't he?
07:37Just the one?
07:38Yeah.
07:38Thanks.
07:39Rachel.
07:41What's up?
07:44I need the supervisor.
07:47A nurse?
07:49Works at a haven centre.
07:51Now, she said she saw the sun today.
07:53And in July of last year, they dealt with a girl with an almost identical story.
07:57Driver said he'd won big at a casino.
07:59Offered a champagne that she was convinced was corrupt.
08:01Well, that's it.
08:02That's enough.
08:02Six victims.
08:04Yeah, but the important bit is the cab was caught on CCTV at a university halls of residence.
08:09We've got a name and address for the driver.
08:12John Derek Warboys.
08:15Lives in Rotherhithe.
08:49What's all this about, mate?
08:50John Warboys.
08:53Yeah?
08:53I'm a police officer.
08:55Can you come down and open the door, please?
09:01Now, I've been out working all night.
09:03Now, what do you want?
09:04Come down and open the door.
09:16What is it?
09:18John Derek Warboys.
09:19I'm arresting your suspicion of six counts of sexual assault between 2005 and 2008.
09:24You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention my question,
09:28something which you later rely on in court.
09:35You're on the way back to Sutton Liquidim now.
09:37House is being searched.
09:39Why didn't she flag, Dave?
09:41The girl then has told us about.
09:43Yeah.
09:44Right.
09:44I, um, I checked that out.
09:47Seems it wasn't ever recorded as a crime.
09:49So there's no criminal intelligence report in the system.
09:52What?
09:53It was only logged as a crime-related incident.
09:55But that's against protocol.
09:57The starting point is that she should be believed.
10:01The starting point is that she should be believed.
10:45A suspect was arrested earlier today.
10:48So we are now asking any women who think they may have been attacked by this man to please come
10:53forward.
10:55And they may well feel that something has happened to them, but might not be certain what.
11:00But it's important for everyone who recognises this man's behaviour to get in touch with us as a matter of
11:06urgency.
11:08Do I admit making a mistake getting into the back with her?
11:12Could say got in the back to help her find her stuff and she flashed her tits at me.
11:20And what would you say to any women who do come forward who are perhaps feeling scared or vulnerable?
11:26I would say that they will be supported.
11:29That they will be listened to.
11:32And that they will be believed.
11:38I'd go Khosmiri over Phuket every time.
11:41Every time.
11:42I mean, both in Thailand.
11:43But Hannah said she sold three holidays in Khosmiri in the last fortnight.
11:47What do you think of Khosmiri?
11:49Yeah?
11:50It's all right?
11:50I'm going there next year.
11:52Defo.
11:53I love Khosmiri.
11:55She's wounding me up though.
11:56Hannah, can you order some more A4?
11:59Can you get a coconut scented candle?
12:01Can you go out and get me a coffee at Almond Milk?
12:03Not dairy.
12:03I've actually got a question to ask you, Hannah.
12:05What's your man's bloody slave dial?
12:07Uh, I'm sorry.
12:08I think I've forgotten something.
12:09You what?
12:10Um, can you just, just tell Hannah I won't be a minute.
12:13Come on.
12:13Come on.
12:15Come on.
12:16Yeah.
12:19Bye.
12:34They didn't even warn me.
12:37It's him, isn't it?
12:39Yeah.
12:40Yeah.
12:42It is.
12:44It is him.
12:45It's exactly what he did to me.
12:49Why am I finding out about it from a newspaper?
12:52Oh, what the fuck?
12:54What the fuck am I supposed to do?
13:01Frankie, I'm just feeding the baby.
13:03Are you watching the news?
13:05What?
13:05Just turn the news on now.
13:07ICV.
13:08One second.
13:13Typically, he tells them that he has won some cash at the casino or on the lottery.
13:18Then he offers them a drink of champagne, which he has drugged.
13:22Most of the women who have so far come forward have no memory of what happened in the period
13:27after drinking the champagne.
13:31They, uh, said at the start of the report that he was a black cab driver.
13:34I mean, it's exactly how you said it happened.
13:37They wouldn't listen to me.
13:40I thought I was going mad.
13:42I know.
13:42You've got to call them, Sarah.
13:44No.
13:46Oh, I can't go through that again.
13:50Well, please just think about it.
13:54I haven't even told Gav what happened.
13:57I was told by a friend about the story in the Sun newspaper today, and when I read it,
14:03I knew straight away that this man had done something similar to me.
14:09Yes, it was in July of last year.
14:12I was told when my case was going to be closed down that one of your officers didn't think
14:17a black cab driver would risk his license by assaulting a fare.
14:20That is what was said to me.
14:23Look, what I want to know is if the man who was arrested today is the same man who attacked
14:28me last year.
14:29Can you at least tell me that, please?
14:32I don't need a name.
14:39Okay.
14:40Thank you very much.
14:41I've got to go now.
14:46It's the same man.
14:51A long time ago, five years ago, before I met you, I was raped.
15:04But nobody believed me.
15:06The police didn't believe me.
15:09Not even Connor believed me.
15:14The man who did it, he's done it to other women, too, and he's just been arrested.
15:23Come here.
15:23Um, it's just all right.
15:24I don't need to cuddle.
15:29They've put it behind me, and that's where it's going to stay.
15:33They've asked people to come forward, but I've not gone to.
15:39You have to go to the police, Sarah.
15:42It's enough.
15:43That I know after all these years that I was right.
15:47That that man did drug me.
15:50He did attack me.
15:53Beyond that, I don't want to waste any more of my life on him.
16:00I don't want to waste any more of my life on him.
16:11Okay.
16:13Let's start with the allegations of you touching female passengers in your cab in a sexual way.
16:19How do you respond to this?
16:20No comment.
16:22Mr. Warboys will not be answering any of your questions tonight, as is his right.
16:26But he has prepared a statement, which he is prepared to read out to you now.
16:31Okay, John.
16:32Let's hear what you have to say.
16:49I am innocent of all the allegations that have been put to me.
16:54I have never made sexual contact with any passenger whilst in my cab, and I have also never administered
17:00any form of drug to a passenger also whilst in my cab.
17:09I am innocent of all of these allegations that have been put to me, and offended that anyone
17:15would think that I, as a respected black cab driver, would be capable of behaving in this
17:20despicable manner.
17:22Thank you.
17:26I'm completely innocent.
17:29Okay, John.
17:31You will be detained for further questioning, and we're also going to need some swabs and
17:35a DNA sample from you.
17:53It's been white hot all day.
17:55How many link cases?
17:57Forty-three.
17:59Forty-three.
18:01Positively linked.
18:02Same description, same modus operandi.
18:04And that number is only going to rise when the line's open again tomorrow.
18:07Forty-three?
18:08Yeah.
18:08I mean, forty-three.
18:12What is happening here?
18:48I just want to get it all straight in my head before I call them.
18:56I call them a lovely man.
19:12I call them a lovely man.
19:16I call them a lovely man.
19:18See?
19:19You're doing the right thing.
19:24¡Vamos!
19:26¡Vamos!
19:29¡Vamos!
19:30¿Por qué no me dijo que te iba a arrestar este hombre?
19:35Estoy muy sorry por eso.
19:37¿Por qué tengo que saber sobre esto a través de la televisión y TV?
19:41La respuesta es con el equipo original que investigó su complaint.
19:45Parece que sólo se recordó como un incidente de crime.
19:50Y no como un crime.
19:53Así que tus detalles y los detalles de la complaint no estaban en el sistema.
19:58¡Vamos!
20:04¡Vamos!
20:05Porque, ¿no?
20:07No, no, no.
20:09No, no, no, no.
20:10No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
20:12Que necesitamos ello.
20:13Porque, parece, que la mezcla fueron claramente metidas.
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25:12Leyla Mahmood
25:39Carrie Simons
25:43Sorry
25:50That's him
26:01Sarah Adams
26:23Oh God, yeah, that's him
26:40I was talking to Mrs Purvis today at my art class. She said her daughters decided she wants
26:47to study law. She said she warned her it's gonna take many years of hard work, but the
26:55girl seems adamant. She doesn't even want to take a gap year. She's gonna start in September.
27:04Admirable, don't you think?
27:12I'm going to the garden centre tomorrow if you want to come, Leyla. Pick up a few pots for the
27:19garden.
27:19Fancy her?
27:22No, I can't. Sorry. I have to work on Saturdays.
27:27Oh.
27:30Is that how it stinks? Yeah, okay.
27:33Work?
27:33I may enjoy it rather than enjoy it. You still smoking?
27:38Er, no, I've quit.
27:41I mean, very occasionally.
27:43Hmm.
27:44I'm still trying to stop. Why?
27:47I'm just concerned about your health.
27:48Well, it's fine, isn't it?
27:50Yeah, well, that's good. That's good.
27:52But I just, I wanted to say I'm sorry. Look, I saw the news. And I've read the papers. I'm
28:02sorry for not believing you.
28:12Jack, go back into the kitchen and get yourself a Snickers out of the fridge.
28:16Just go into the kitchen, just take whatever you want, but just eat it in there.
28:19Yeah. Go on, mate.
28:28Sarah, I'm sorry. Look, I'm so sorry.
28:31I was in a room the other day.
28:34It was full of women waiting to do identity parades.
28:38It almost killed me.
28:44All these women who'd gone through what I went through.
28:48Who would have been spared if...
28:52If they'd only believed me.
28:54Yeah, but you can't blame yourself.
28:56Can't I?
28:59Did I try hard enough?
29:00Yeah, you did. I know you did.
29:02Just...
29:03Sorry.
29:09You know what? Life's okay.
29:11I'm happy enough.
29:14Gavin's a nice guy and...
29:17We've got Lenny and I.
29:20I thank God every day for you.
29:26But I should have still been here, Connor.
29:30Living with you.
29:32Jack should have been living with his mum and dad.
29:36Should have been your wife.
29:39I love to you.
29:40I love to you.
29:48That's how much this has fucked up my life.
29:56But thank you for your apology.
29:59I accept it.
30:05Jack?
30:10What's that?
30:13Come on.
30:18See you on Monday.
30:20See you later, mate.
30:48See you later, mate.
30:49You're the only one of the four-team.
30:52But there are loads more than that.
30:54The CPS want to keep the case as simple as possible for the jury.
30:58They're worried it could get bogged down in too much detail.
31:01I'm not entirely sure I agree, but...
31:04Okay.
31:05We want you to be one of the four-team.
31:07And give evidence in court against war boys.
31:10Me?
31:11But I'm still not sure what he did to me.
31:13That doesn't matter.
31:15You know, his offending had a pattern to it.
31:17And your experience exactly fits that pattern.
31:20And crucially, you had a really good recollection
31:23of most of your journey home with him.
31:28And the CPS also think that your mother's evidence
31:32about knowing that you weren't drunk,
31:34she thought you'd been drunk,
31:36will also be helpful.
31:38So you want me to give evidence too?
31:59I see...
32:01I see...
32:04I see...
32:17Many of the women are going to speak in court.
32:20But they won't be asking you...
32:22to testify.
32:26Why?
32:27Well, the thing is, you...
32:29you didn't pick him out in the ID parade.
32:33It'd been a long time, and...
32:35he looked really different with me that night.
32:37And...
32:37because so much evidence from your case has been lost.
32:40Fucking destroyed, in my opinion!
32:45It's about not giving the defence an opening, Sarah.
32:52That's hard.
32:53Because I wanted to look the bastard in the eye
32:56and tell everybody what he did to me.
33:00I wanted to have my moment in court.
33:04I wanted to look him in the eye and say,
33:06yeah, I'm sending you to prison
33:07because that's where you belong.
33:11I know. I'm sorry, Sarah.
33:14Sometimes in these...
33:15these big cases,
33:17it's easy to overwhelm a jury.
33:19So the strategy is to...
33:21to stick to the offences
33:23where we've been able to collect
33:24the most comprehensive evidence.
33:28And 14, is that enough?
33:30Well, the CPS are confident
33:32that this will give the trial judge
33:34enough ammunition
33:35to put him away for a long...
33:37long time.
33:42Okay.
33:44Mr. Warboys freely admits
33:46a good deal of the circumstances
33:48surrounding these events.
33:50For instance, he has always
33:53actively sought to engage
33:55female passengers in conversation
33:56in his taxicab.
33:59Banter, as he calls it.
34:01And he sometimes did this by telling them,
34:05falsely,
34:06that he had won money that night
34:08through gambling
34:09and by showing them a bag filled with cash.
34:12But he says this was simply
34:14a conversation starter.
34:16And his objective was not sexual.
34:18It was simply female company.
34:20It was an icebreaker in that respect.
34:25He is adamant that any sexual contact
34:28between him and any woman in his taxi
34:31was consensual.
34:33That it was non-penetrative
34:35and that it was initiated by those women.
34:44No, I don't remember feeling scared that night.
34:47You didn't feel threatened by Mr. Warboys?
34:50No, I actually thought he came across
34:52as sort of pathetic.
34:53Not some sort of predatory monster,
34:56just a normal taxi driver
34:57engaging in some banter with you.
35:01I actually think that harmless demeanor
35:04is what makes him so dangerous.
35:06Precisely because he puts you off guard
35:08as he hands over his drinks from the front.
35:10He's like a...
35:11a professional con man.
35:14It's clear, would you agree,
35:16that your daughter had been drinking that night?
35:18A few drinks, correct.
35:21So I put it to you that it's reasonable
35:23to assume that she was intoxicated?
35:26I've never seen her intoxicated.
35:29She rarely drinks alcohol.
35:31She was in distress.
35:33She was insensible.
35:35She was like a rag doll.
35:37There was something else in her system.
35:39She was vomiting continuously.
35:43You don't get like she was that night,
35:45just from a few drinks.
35:57I swear by Allah that the evidence I shall give
36:00shall be the truth, the whole truth,
36:02and nothing but the truth.
36:09Two large glasses of red wine.
36:13Yes.
36:15And you drank those,
36:17and then you go to the toilet,
36:18and you are sick.
36:21Yes, I...
36:22I sometimes get nauseous when I'm on my period.
36:26But that was not going to deter you from your plans for that evening,
36:29and you went back to your friends and carried on as normal.
36:33In your statement, you say you then had two vodkas and lemonade.
36:39Yes.
36:40And did your drinking stop there?
36:43Or did you have rather more to drink that night than you've told us about?
36:48Not that I remember.
36:50Shortly after you got into his taxi,
36:51Mr. Warboys handed you a glass of something bubbly.
36:56Maybe champagne, something like that.
36:59And you drank that too?
37:03Yes.
37:05Why?
37:06Because he forced me to.
37:10He wouldn't take no for an answer.
37:12Oh, but he's driving. He's in the front of the cab.
37:14Yes, but he just... he... he kept persisting,
37:17and persisting, and persisting.
37:19But he can't actually force you to drink it, can he?
37:21Well, he forced me to take the pill.
37:23We'll come to that in a minute.
37:24My question to you is why you felt you had to drink that champagne
37:28when you were not obliged to.
37:34Because...
37:35He...
37:37He wouldn't take no for an answer.
37:39Or is the reality that he was being a very chatty
37:42and personable taxi driver engaging in some banter with you?
37:46Who'd offered you a drink,
37:48and which you had accepted and drank perfectly happily?
37:52No.
37:54You say you remember him getting into the back of the cab
37:58with pills in his hand,
38:00and that he forced one into your mouth, right?
38:03Yes.
38:04And what are you doing to resist?
38:10Well, I'm...
38:12I'm trying to...
38:14move him away from me.
38:16So you were perfectly able to struggle and resist?
38:19Yeah.
38:20But you don't mention struggling and resisting
38:22in your police statement.
38:28Well...
38:28If it's not there...
38:31It's not there.
38:31But I was...
38:32I was feeling quite drowsy after he made me drink the champagne.
38:36And after the pill went down,
38:38your mind is pretty much straight away a blank thereafter.
38:43Yes.
38:45So we really are in the realms of almost instant unconsciousness.
38:52Yes, that's right.
38:54Well, I suggest to you that you'd already consumed a large amount of alcohol
38:57before you got in Mr. Warboy's taxi.
38:59And that he did not give you a pill or force it down your throat.
39:03Do you disagree with me?
39:04Yes.
39:05And you can't make up your mind whether you could or couldn't fight him off,
39:09or did or didn't have a lot to drink,
39:11or pretty much anything else that night,
39:12because you were so intoxicated.
39:29Layla, I just want to thank you for giving evidence.
39:32I don't think there's any doubt he'll be found guilty.
39:36I thought you held up really well in there.
39:38Did you?
39:39Yeah.
39:41Yeah, that was tough.
39:43Layla, can I get you anything? A cup of tea?
39:45No, thanks. I'd just like to go home.
39:47I'm Debbie from the police press office.
39:50I just wondered if you'd consider waiving your anonymity
39:53and providing us with some media interviews.
39:55What?
39:56We just thought if someone could stand up,
39:59someone articulate like yourself,
40:00and talk about what had happened to you,
40:02this might encourage more women to come forward.
40:04No. No, I can't. I can't do that. I'm sorry.
40:08Maybe you've got the wrong person.
40:10Sorry.
40:27I'm Sarah.
40:29Do I know you?
40:30I've been through exactly what you've been through.
40:33Have you got time for a coffee?
40:36I wanted to punch that fucking barrister in his stupid face.
40:42Like, why is it okay for him to make out I'm a liar?
40:46He was going through every tiny thing in your statement in minute detail
40:50just trying to find some little thing to pick away at.
40:52Why is that still happening?
40:53I was raging too. Just watch it.
40:56What is the point of this farce? He's fucking guilty.
41:00You know, I've been looking into bringing a complaint against the police
41:02for the way they treated us.
41:04And with me there was so much stuff
41:06that they missed out in the first few weeks.
41:08It was just ridiculous.
41:10Yeah, but it's their own disciplinary people, isn't it?
41:13What's the point?
41:14I'm not talking about going through the IPCC.
41:17I want to make some proper noise.
41:19I'm looking into suing them.
41:21Suing?
41:23Yeah.
41:24There's a lawyer I've been put in touch with
41:26who might be prepared to take it on.
41:29She's called Harriet Wistrich.
41:31She's got a great reputation.
41:34But I can't do it by myself.
41:36I had a quick chat with her
41:37and she said it'd be a much stronger case
41:39if there was someone else who had been through the same thing.
41:42So you're asking,
41:45do I want to sue the police with you?
41:48Well, yeah.
41:51You don't have to make a decision.
41:53Yes.
41:54What?
41:55Yes.
41:56Let's sue the bastards.
41:58Oh.
41:59Great.
42:00Yeah.
42:02Yeah.
42:04Yeah.
42:20You developed and perfected a web of deceit.
42:25That was sufficient to ensnare young, intelligent and sensible women
42:30who had enjoyed a night out and whose only mistake, as it turned out,
42:35was to get into your cab late at night.
42:39There is no doubt that you continue to constitute a significant risk of serious harm
42:44through the commission of further offences.
42:47I therefore pass down on you an indeterminate sentence of imprisonment for public protection,
42:54with a minimum custodial term of eight years.
43:14I wouldn't worry about the eight years.
43:17As I understand it, the judge had to give a number,
43:20but a parole board still has to decide if it's safe to release him,
43:23when I can't see that happening.
43:25Eight years did spook me a bit.
43:28Yeah, he's not getting out.
43:30Anyway, Carrie, thanks for agreeing to do some interviews.
43:33I think if someone like yourself, someone so articulate, can stand up,
43:38then it will encourage more women to come forward.
43:40I'm nervous, but if it gives others a voice, it seems like the right thing to do.
43:44Thanks again.
43:45Yeah.
43:45I'll start to get some things set up, okay?
43:47Okay.
43:48Thanks, Carrie.
43:50What have you got to do?
43:52Oh, just some interviews about what happened to me.
43:54They need someone to waive their anonymity and be a focal point.
43:57My goodness, do you think that's a good idea?
43:59You're so young.
44:00Do you want this hanging over you?
44:03What?
44:04They said it's important that more people come forward.
44:09I'm just sick of us all being on the back foot, Mum.
44:16Could he really get out that soon?
44:18Because the thought of him ever being released terrifies me.
44:21Me too.
44:21Well, theoretically, yes.
44:24After eight years, he could apply for parole, but in order to do that,
44:29he'd first have to admit to what he's done.
44:30And his position has consistently been that he is totally innocent.
44:35Right, so not just a psycho, a fake psycho.
44:38So his position is 105 women have all just made it all up?
44:42It's up to 105 now.
44:44Well, I was told the actual number might be nearer 500.
44:48Is that correct?
44:49That's what the police said.
44:51So what do you think, Harriet?
44:53There's potentially hundreds of women out there who have suffered needlessly
44:56because the police didn't do their job properly.
44:59They shouldn't be allowed to get away with what they've done.
45:02Well, neither of you qualifies for legal aid,
45:05so you're asking me to take this on on a no-win, no-fee basis?
45:09Afraid we are, yeah.
45:11OK.
45:13Firstly, the problem is you can't sue the police for negligence.
45:17Why not?
45:18The law states that if they could be sued,
45:20they wouldn't be able to do their jobs properly
45:21because they'd always be looking over the shoulder,
45:22waiting for the next writ.
45:24It's just how the law is, I'm afraid.
45:28But my advice would be to pursue this under the Human Rights Act
45:32and argue that the police's actions...
45:34Or inactions.
45:35Or...
45:35Inactions.
45:37Infringed on your right to not be subjected to inhuman or degrading treatment.
45:42Well, that exactly describes what happened to us.
45:45Yes.
45:46The only problem is that it's never been done before.
45:50And in your case, Sarah, there is a statute of limitations issue.
45:55You must take an action within one year,
45:57and it's been five years since the police investigated your case.
46:00And in your case, Leila, they could argue that,
46:02however ineffective their initial investigation was,
46:05they did ultimately arrest the correct man.
46:08Shall we close the door on the way out, then?
46:10But, the first thing I would do
46:12is I would contact the police
46:14and declare our intentions.
46:16Now, they will jump up and down,
46:17tell us we don't have a legal leg to stand on
46:19and that we're out of time, but...
46:20they will have to disclose to us
46:23statements and other evidence.
46:25And I'm betting that will throw up some pretty...
46:30interesting stuff.
46:34Marcela Provost
46:34Thanks.
46:34There.
47:01Gracias por ver el video.
47:04Gracias por ver el video.
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