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00:00:31I wear the gloves because even after 40 years,

00:00:36I still don't like to touch the letters.

00:00:39I was convinced when we first got them

00:00:46that actually evil was coming out of them.

00:00:52There's something about looking at his handwriting.

00:00:56I can still feel it.

00:01:00Every family has secrets, but not like this.

00:01:03I have spent decades trying to hide the fact

00:01:08that I was related to a serial killer.

00:01:11His name was Ted, and he was very polite and suave.

00:01:16Ted Bundy was my cousin, and we were really close.

00:01:23He was like a big brother to me.

00:01:26Imagine having someone you care about turn out to be a monster.

00:01:32At the same time he was coming over to visit me and my friends,

00:01:35he was killing girls that looked just like us.

00:01:39How many homicides?

00:01:42No, we came up with 30.

00:01:45And I had no idea until one day I saw beneath the mask.

00:01:50His eyes turned black.

00:01:53I thought this was the end.

00:01:55I am just screaming, no, this can't be true.

00:01:58I was a trained Marine, and at that point I'm going,

00:02:02I will kill Ted Bundy.

00:02:04And then I decide, there's no way he's taking me alive.

00:02:10Serial killer Ted Bundy is just one step away from the electric chair.

00:02:14When he was sentenced to death,

00:02:16I had to face up to him one last time.

00:02:20I started writing him letters on death row,

00:02:24and he started writing me back.

00:02:27Ted's letters showed a very private side of him

00:02:29that he only revealed to me.

00:02:32The innermost thoughts of someone I love dearly,

00:02:35but lost to evil.

00:02:39And I've never shared them with anyone until now.

00:02:44Dear cousin,

00:02:45I have no guilt, remorse, or regret over anything I've done.

00:02:54So where do we go from here?

00:02:57Be good.

00:02:58I love you, Ted.

00:03:20I don't like being treated like an animal,

00:03:22and I don't like people walking around and ogling me

00:03:25like I'm some sort of weirdo,

00:03:27because I'm not.

00:03:29You know,

00:03:30I'm perfectly happy with the person I am,

00:03:33and I've always been.

00:03:35You are not guilty.

00:03:37I'm not guilty.

00:03:41No man is truly innocent.

00:03:43I mean,

00:03:44we all have transgressed in some way in our lives.

00:03:49Ted was my cousin,

00:03:50but I loved him like a brother.

00:03:52I adored him.

00:03:54I adored who I thought he was.

00:03:58But after Ted was arrested,

00:04:00I really started to go through anything I could recollect about Ted

00:04:05and where there might be signs

00:04:07that he wasn't the person that I thought he was.

00:04:12And things started to come to me,

00:04:14just little things,

00:04:15but they took on a much bigger significance.

00:04:20One of those moments was one night when we went to the dance club

00:04:24called The Windjammer.

00:04:26When we got there and got out on the dance floor,

00:04:29he just sort of stood there,

00:04:31rocking back and forth.

00:04:32He never looked at me once.

00:04:34His jaw was clenched.

00:04:35He was in another world.

00:04:37I would wave my hands in front of his face and go,

00:04:39Hey, Ted, remember me?

00:04:41I'm your cousin.

00:04:41I'm here.

00:04:43For just one second,

00:04:44he'd smile,

00:04:45and then immediately it would go back into that clenched jaw,

00:04:48looking around the room.

00:04:51I felt like he was using me as his tool

00:04:55so that it gave him a legitimate reason

00:04:57to go to these different places.

00:05:00That must have been the first time

00:05:01that I actually witnessed the mask dropping off his face.

00:05:08Another one was one day I decided to drop by his place,

00:05:15and I hadn't done that before.

00:05:17He usually came by my place.

00:05:20I knocked on the door.

00:05:23He opened the door and stuck his head out

00:05:26and said,

00:05:27Well, you don't want to come in here.

00:05:28And I thought,

00:05:29Well, why?

00:05:30And he said,

00:05:31Oh, it's a mess.

00:05:33He slowly closed the door.

00:05:39I just had to think to myself,

00:05:41What was it that he didn't want me to see?

00:05:45I found out years later

00:05:47that he was known to have taken body parts,

00:05:51even heads of his victims,

00:05:53back to his boarding house.

00:06:03Families are probably the last ones

00:06:06to let go of their feelings of hope for somebody,

00:06:10because they just don't want to believe

00:06:12that someone they love

00:06:13and that they grew up with

00:06:14could be somebody completely different.

00:06:17The person that I thought I knew

00:06:20was this very attractive mask that he wore,

00:06:24and underneath it was this demon.

00:06:27I had avoided talking about my relationship

00:06:30to Ted Bundy for 50 years.

00:06:32I couldn't even say his name without stuttering.

00:06:35I really didn't want anybody to know

00:06:37I was related to him,

00:06:38because it was almost like

00:06:41he was some kind of a pop star or something,

00:06:43and I was absolutely sickened by that.

00:06:47But it got to a point

00:06:48where I thought,

00:06:50Wait a minute.

00:06:51I don't have to keep that a secret anymore.

00:06:56My daughter, Ann, and I go on lots of walks together,

00:06:59and right when COVID hit,

00:07:02that seemed to galvanize me

00:07:04to start thinking about Ted again.

00:07:06And I went,

00:07:07Damn it, why is he coming back?

00:07:11We were taking a walk.

00:07:13Out of the blue, she said to me,

00:07:18I think I need to talk about Ted.

00:07:21And I go, Bundy?

00:07:23And she goes, yeah.

00:07:26And she said,

00:07:27I can't stop thinking about him.

00:07:29I've pushed it down for so long.

00:07:31I have to get it out of my system.

00:07:36I had never read the letters until then.

00:07:40It was so jarring,

00:07:43and it was so real.

00:07:45I could feel her pain then.

00:07:48I could feel what she'd gone through.

00:07:52This is the first letter I wrote him in 1986

00:07:56while he was on death row.

00:08:00Ted, all these years I've written you

00:08:01hundreds of letters in my mind

00:08:03only to tear them up in shreds of frustrations.

00:08:07However, I feel that now is the time to say to you

00:08:10what I have been wanting to say to you

00:08:12over the course of these last 10-plus years,

00:08:15ever since I last saw you.

00:08:18It was a tremendous catharsis

00:08:22to be able to write the letters,

00:08:23but I had a mission in mind.

00:08:25I wanted to help the families

00:08:29find out where the remains of their daughters were.

00:08:34Some of the women you murdered have never been found.

00:08:38I'm not interested in hearing excuses,

00:08:40but would certainly be impressed

00:08:42if you would open those floodgates

00:08:44that have been so tightly shut these past years.

00:08:48What do you say, Ted?

00:08:50It's a chance for salvation.

00:08:56In the summer of 1972,

00:09:00I applied to the University of Washington,

00:09:02got accepted.

00:09:04I fortunately found an apartment

00:09:06just a few blocks away from the campus.

00:09:09But what was a big bonus

00:09:11was it was just a few blocks

00:09:13from where my cousin Ted lived.

00:09:15He had just graduated

00:09:16from the University of Washington

00:09:18with a degree in psychology,

00:09:19and he seemed like he had such a bright future

00:09:22right in front of him.

00:09:24I felt much safer

00:09:25knowing that he was nearby.

00:09:27And my parents loved it

00:09:29because they gave them some peace of mind.

00:09:33Ted had a tan Volkswagen Beetle,

00:09:35and we called them V-dubs.

00:09:36And I often rode with him in that car.

00:09:39He used to drop by frequently

00:09:41with a bag of groceries and a bottle of wine.

00:09:44And that was always, you know,

00:09:47come on in!

00:09:48You know, we were thrilled to have him there.

00:09:53Ted came to the house where we live,

00:09:57and he was very calm

00:09:59and open and welcoming.

00:10:02He was attentive to Edna.

00:10:05He was affectionate in a big-brother way.

00:10:08And he was just very grown-up.

00:10:14He would sit in the center.

00:10:16He loved to be the center of attention.

00:10:19He seemed sophisticated,

00:10:22very literate.

00:10:24He would make references

00:10:25to classic literature

00:10:27in a conversation.

00:10:29He was good,

00:10:31like almost too good.

00:10:34He would tell us all these stories

00:10:36about who he'd met,

00:10:38what he was doing.

00:10:40Ted was working

00:10:41at Harborview Medical Center

00:10:42in the psych ward.

00:10:44And so he was dealing

00:10:45with pretty traumatic situations,

00:10:47and he was volunteering

00:10:49for a suicide hotline.

00:10:52Ted told us

00:10:53that he wrote a pamphlet

00:10:54on rape prevention for women.

00:10:57We were just like,

00:10:57wow, that's such noble work.

00:10:59Ready, go ahead.

00:11:02When I think back on it,

00:11:05I have to question myself,

00:11:07what was his ulterior motive?

00:11:09Could he use this information later?

00:11:14Ted took credit

00:11:15for the sexual assault study,

00:11:17even though he hadn't

00:11:18done any work on it.

00:11:19I'll bet he probably

00:11:21gleaned some information,

00:11:22though,

00:11:23that was coming out of it.

00:11:24Ted spent a few years

00:11:27working for the Seattle

00:11:28Crime Commission,

00:11:28and he was privy

00:11:30to a lot of

00:11:31law enforcement data.

00:11:33And he was able to see

00:11:35that police

00:11:36in different jurisdictions

00:11:37did not communicate

00:11:38very well.

00:11:39And he took advantage of that.

00:11:43It was a lot of fun

00:11:44in Seattle during that time.

00:11:47But that bubble of innocence

00:11:49that we were all living in

00:11:50didn't really last very long.

00:11:56There was an incident

00:11:57that took place

00:11:58early 1974

00:12:00where there was a woman

00:12:02who lived

00:12:03just around the block

00:12:04from Edna.

00:12:06Karen Sparks

00:12:07was a student

00:12:08at the University

00:12:09of Washington.

00:12:11Someone had entered

00:12:12into her room

00:12:14in the middle of the night,

00:12:16had beaten her

00:12:17pretty severely

00:12:18in the head,

00:12:19and had sexually

00:12:21assaulted her

00:12:21with an object.

00:12:24She suffered

00:12:25internal damage

00:12:26and some brain damage

00:12:27as well.

00:12:28She was left for dead.

00:12:31The next day,

00:12:32her roommates found her

00:12:33just covered

00:12:34in blood.

00:12:37It's amazing

00:12:38that she survived.

00:12:40But it was this

00:12:41horrible, horrible assault

00:12:43that happened within,

00:12:44you know,

00:12:45minutes walking distance

00:12:46of Edna's apartment.

00:12:50We heard about

00:12:52a young woman

00:12:52being attacked,

00:12:53but we didn't have

00:12:54any details.

00:12:56And we had no idea

00:12:59this was just

00:12:59the beginning.

00:13:01From January

00:13:02to July of 1974,

00:13:04the King County area

00:13:05was engulfed

00:13:06in a wave of fear.

00:13:07Once a month,

00:13:08another girl

00:13:09would disappear.

00:13:10The pattern

00:13:11seemed to be emerging.

00:13:13Similar appearance,

00:13:14age, circumstances.

00:13:15These girls look like

00:13:17my friends and I.

00:13:19Whoever this is,

00:13:21they're hunting

00:13:22people just like us.

00:13:35After my first letter,

00:13:37I hadn't heard from Ted,

00:13:40so I sent a second letter

00:13:42because I was

00:13:42fairly demanding

00:13:43and wanting answers.

00:13:45And then finally,

00:13:46I got two letters

00:13:47back from him

00:13:48at the same time,

00:13:49including

00:13:50in that same envelope,

00:13:51he returned the letters

00:13:53that I had written to him.

00:13:55As if to say,

00:13:56I needed to rethink

00:13:57the way I had challenged

00:13:58him to come clean.

00:14:00Dear Edna,

00:14:01thanks for writing.

00:14:03As you said,

00:14:04it's been the better part

00:14:05of ten years

00:14:06since I heard from you.

00:14:07What you seem to be

00:14:09basing what you said

00:14:10in your letter on

00:14:10is a multitude

00:14:11of impressions

00:14:12which have been drawn

00:14:13from years

00:14:14of being exposed

00:14:15to the sensational

00:14:16publicity,

00:14:17the rumors,

00:14:18the gossip

00:14:19about some character

00:14:20named Ted Bundy.

00:14:23Well,

00:14:24if you truly

00:14:25wish to be

00:14:26of some help,

00:14:27then you must

00:14:28dispossess yourself

00:14:28of all these images

00:14:30and know me

00:14:30as I am.

00:14:34He just completely

00:14:35dismissed

00:14:36what I had said.

00:14:41I won't disregard

00:14:42your accusations

00:14:43completely.

00:14:44I will say this much.

00:14:46I have not killed anyone.

00:14:49He claims

00:14:50that he did not

00:14:51kill anybody.

00:14:52I'm having chills

00:14:53right now

00:14:54just talking about it

00:14:55that I feel

00:14:56what I felt then

00:14:58which was just like,

00:14:59oh my God.

00:15:00I don't know this guy.

00:15:07People have asked me

00:15:09if I still

00:15:09loved him

00:15:11and that's a hard

00:15:12question to answer

00:15:13because I didn't love

00:15:14who he became.

00:15:16I abhorred

00:15:16that evil entity

00:15:19but I had fond memories

00:15:21of my childhood friend.

00:15:24I trusted him

00:15:25unconditionally.

00:15:30when I look

00:15:31at the part

00:15:31of my life

00:15:32which took place

00:15:33before 1975

00:15:35I might very well

00:15:36be looking at

00:15:37an existence

00:15:37as one might view

00:15:39a prior incarnation.

00:15:46Ted was born

00:15:47out of wedlock

00:15:47which was a bit

00:15:48of a scandal

00:15:49at that time

00:15:50and that was tough

00:15:51for his mom,

00:15:52Louise.

00:15:52and my dad

00:15:54was really close

00:15:55to Louise.

00:15:55He was her uncle

00:15:57yet they were

00:15:58nearly the same age

00:16:00so when they both

00:16:02had kids

00:16:03we were all

00:16:03the same age.

00:16:06My parents moved

00:16:08from the Philadelphia

00:16:10area to the Seattle,

00:16:12Washington area

00:16:13and my father

00:16:14was urging Louise

00:16:15to leave

00:16:16and move

00:16:17to the Pacific Northwest

00:16:19so she could

00:16:20start a new life

00:16:21and give Ted a chance.

00:16:27And they ended up

00:16:28living in my parents' house

00:16:30and it really worked.

00:16:32I mean it gave her

00:16:32a fresh start

00:16:34and Louise eventually

00:16:36met Johnny Bundy

00:16:37and got married

00:16:38you know

00:16:38and then had

00:16:39four more kids.

00:16:41We saw them

00:16:42quite frequently

00:16:42that was so much fun

00:16:44to have another family

00:16:46that was close by

00:16:47that we could play with.

00:16:50My father treated him

00:16:52like another son.

00:16:55He was a concert pianist,

00:16:57a composer,

00:16:58a conductor.

00:17:00Edna's family

00:17:00traveled the world.

00:17:02He would perform

00:17:02all over

00:17:03and Ted saw

00:17:05Edna's family

00:17:06as being a family

00:17:08that he wanted

00:17:08to be a part of

00:17:09that he wished

00:17:10he could be a part of.

00:17:11Ted was a half sibling

00:17:13and much older

00:17:14than most of his siblings

00:17:16so I don't know

00:17:17if he related

00:17:17to them as much.

00:17:20He related

00:17:21to my brother

00:17:21a lot

00:17:22and by extension

00:17:24eventually to me.

00:17:27I'm five years younger

00:17:29than Ted

00:17:29but when he would

00:17:31talk to me

00:17:32the thing that I liked

00:17:33about him

00:17:34was he would

00:17:34give me eye contact.

00:17:36I didn't know

00:17:37that as a child

00:17:38but he would

00:17:38actually look at me.

00:17:41He was always

00:17:42focused on me

00:17:43like I was the only

00:17:44person in the room

00:17:45and he always

00:17:47treated me

00:17:47like I was

00:17:48special in his life.

00:17:50He could just

00:17:51charm people

00:17:52into following him

00:17:54believing him

00:17:55and I learned

00:17:56a lesson from him

00:17:58because he deceived me

00:18:00he fooled me

00:18:01he used me

00:18:02and it never

00:18:03crossed my mind

00:18:05that he wasn't

00:18:05who he

00:18:07came across

00:18:08as being.

00:18:10After

00:18:11my experience

00:18:12with Ted

00:18:13for a while there

00:18:14I thought

00:18:14who can I trust?

00:18:16Will I ever

00:18:17ever in my life

00:18:18be able to trust

00:18:19anybody again?

00:18:21But I was able

00:18:23to take that

00:18:24fear

00:18:24and turn it

00:18:25into something

00:18:26positive.

00:18:27Thank God

00:18:28Don was already

00:18:30in my life.

00:18:30somebody that

00:18:32was totally

00:18:32trustworthy

00:18:33because I don't

00:18:34know if I'd

00:18:35met him afterwards

00:18:35if I would have

00:18:36trusted a guy

00:18:37anymore after that.

00:18:40The first time

00:18:41I met Ted

00:18:42before he started

00:18:43killing people

00:18:43I liked him

00:18:44instantly.

00:18:46I thought that

00:18:47you know

00:18:48he was bright

00:18:50he was articulate

00:18:51seemed like a good guy.

00:18:57One afternoon

00:18:58we had lunch

00:18:59and Ted said

00:19:00hey Don

00:19:00where do

00:19:01the Seattle U

00:19:02kids hang out?

00:19:04I had been a student

00:19:05at Seattle U

00:19:05so I said

00:19:06well I'll show you

00:19:07so we hopped

00:19:08in my car

00:19:09and I took him

00:19:10to the Forum Tavern.

00:19:14We had a couple

00:19:15beers

00:19:15I tried to interest

00:19:17Ted in a game

00:19:17of pinball

00:19:19he wasn't interested

00:19:20he just was

00:19:21people watching.

00:19:24he was just

00:19:25looking around

00:19:28and I didn't

00:19:29you know

00:19:29of course

00:19:29see anything

00:19:30strange about that.

00:19:34Later

00:19:34when I found out

00:19:35that Ted

00:19:36was in fact

00:19:36a monster

00:19:37I realized

00:19:38instantly

00:19:39of course

00:19:39what he was

00:19:40doing.

00:19:43He was

00:19:44using me

00:19:45to

00:19:45you know

00:19:46scout

00:19:47places

00:19:48where he might

00:19:49be able

00:19:49to abduct

00:19:49women.

00:19:54I was horrified

00:19:55of course

00:19:55and

00:19:56felt guilty

00:19:58even though

00:19:59rationally

00:20:00I knew

00:20:00that

00:20:01you know

00:20:01I'd been

00:20:02duped.

00:20:02I was just

00:20:03hoping

00:20:04that I hadn't

00:20:06aided him

00:20:07in finding a girl

00:20:08but then

00:20:08not too long

00:20:09after

00:20:10there was a lot

00:20:11more girls

00:20:11disappearing.

00:20:15Less than a month

00:20:16after Karen Sparks

00:20:17was attacked

00:20:18another young woman

00:20:19was abducted

00:20:20from her bed

00:20:20in the university

00:20:22district in Seattle.

00:20:23Linda lived here

00:20:25in this greenhouse

00:20:26along with five

00:20:27other university

00:20:28students.

00:20:28She was last

00:20:29seen here

00:20:30Thursday evening

00:20:31about 12 o'clock.

00:20:32Linda Ann Healy

00:20:34didn't show up

00:20:35for work

00:20:35on February 1st

00:20:36and this was

00:20:37very unlike her

00:20:38and when the police

00:20:41came by

00:20:42they found

00:20:43her bed

00:20:44had been made

00:20:44and when they

00:20:45pulled back

00:20:46the covers

00:20:46they found

00:20:47blood

00:20:47blood on the sheets.

00:20:50Linda happened

00:20:52to be a good

00:20:52friend of one

00:20:53of my best

00:20:53friends.

00:20:56Everybody was

00:20:57calling each other

00:20:57going,

00:20:58do you know

00:20:58anything?

00:20:59Have you seen

00:21:00her?

00:21:01I was in my room

00:21:02studying late

00:21:03probably until

00:21:04about almost 2

00:21:06and she came in

00:21:07and she came in

00:21:07at about 11.30

00:21:08into my room

00:21:08and spoke with me

00:21:09then and then

00:21:10she said she was

00:21:10going to bed

00:21:11and that was

00:21:11about 12.

00:21:15We were all

00:21:17scared to death.

00:21:18Then once a month

00:21:20almost it seemed

00:21:21like another girl

00:21:21would disappear

00:21:25and it was just

00:21:26fear from that

00:21:27point out.

00:21:29All of the missing

00:21:30college girls

00:21:30were white females

00:21:3118 to 21 years

00:21:32of age.

00:21:33We would just

00:21:34like to caution

00:21:35all young ladies

00:21:36that do not

00:21:36leave with a stranger.

00:21:38It's unreal

00:21:39and it's a nightmare

00:21:41and nothing

00:21:42would prepare you

00:21:43for something

00:21:44like this.

00:21:52This was dated

00:21:53May 31st, 1986.

00:21:56Dear Ted,

00:21:57it took me a long

00:21:58time to accept

00:21:59the fact that

00:22:00someone I considered

00:22:01not only a close

00:22:02friend but occasionally

00:22:03a confidant capable

00:22:05of ever committing

00:22:06the acts of violence

00:22:08you are guilty of.

00:22:09What happened to you,

00:22:11Ted, that you had

00:22:11developed such a deep

00:22:13rage, a deep hatred

00:22:15that you killed

00:22:17ruthlessly in cold

00:22:19blood without mercy.

00:22:24After Linda Ann Healy

00:22:26went missing,

00:22:27other disappearances

00:22:28started occurring

00:22:29in the area.

00:22:31Donna Gale Manson

00:22:32was in a college

00:22:33that was just

00:22:33outside Olympia.

00:22:35She was on her way

00:22:36to a jazz concert

00:22:37on campus

00:22:38and she disappeared

00:22:40into thin air.

00:22:41About a month later,

00:22:43Sue Rancourt

00:22:44disappeared from

00:22:45Central Washington

00:22:46State College

00:22:47in Ellensburg.

00:22:50As the girls

00:22:51disappeared,

00:22:51I became more

00:22:52protective Edna.

00:22:54She hitchhiked

00:22:55down from Seattle

00:22:57to Tacoma

00:22:58where I lived

00:22:59while that was

00:22:59going on

00:23:00and I told her

00:23:02that she should

00:23:02stop the checking

00:23:03but I was working

00:23:04during the week

00:23:04and she said,

00:23:05well, you can't

00:23:06come and get me

00:23:07and I said,

00:23:07then we can't

00:23:08see each other.

00:23:10It's real personal

00:23:11here going,

00:23:12this could be me.

00:23:13Girls were scared,

00:23:14guys were scared,

00:23:15everybody was scared

00:23:16because usually

00:23:17the police

00:23:18are on top

00:23:19of this kind

00:23:20of stuff

00:23:21and nobody

00:23:21can get a handle

00:23:22on it.

00:23:25I remember

00:23:25one night

00:23:26I heard a knock

00:23:27on the door

00:23:28that was Ted

00:23:29with a bag

00:23:29of groceries

00:23:30and he had come

00:23:30over to make

00:23:31dinner for my

00:23:32roommate Margie

00:23:33and I.

00:23:34After we eat,

00:23:35I put on an album

00:23:37I turned around

00:23:39and Margie

00:23:40and Ted

00:23:41were dancing.

00:23:42Margie was leaning

00:23:43her head

00:23:43against his shoulder

00:23:45and I thought,

00:23:46oh, that's really nice.

00:23:47And then all of a sudden

00:23:49I looked at Ted

00:23:50and it was

00:23:53as if he had

00:23:53transformed

00:23:54in front of me.

00:23:57He had this

00:23:58really intense

00:24:00dark look

00:24:01on his face.

00:24:02His jaw

00:24:02was clenched.

00:24:04He looked mean.

00:24:06He had blue eyes

00:24:08but they had

00:24:09gone black.

00:24:11He was almost

00:24:12shaking

00:24:13while he was

00:24:13looking at her

00:24:14and I was

00:24:16startled by this.

00:24:17It was like

00:24:19he was somebody

00:24:20completely different.

00:24:23And I yelled

00:24:24out to him,

00:24:24hey, Ted,

00:24:26Ted, are you okay?

00:24:27And all of a sudden

00:24:28he kind of shook

00:24:29his head

00:24:29and snapped

00:24:30out of it

00:24:33and the mask

00:24:35slid back up

00:24:36over his face

00:24:36and he just smiled

00:24:37at me

00:24:38and he goes,

00:24:38yeah,

00:24:39everything's just fine.

00:24:43That's something

00:24:44that we have heard

00:24:45from other people

00:24:45who talk about

00:24:46their experiences

00:24:47with Ted Bundy

00:24:49and from what

00:24:50I've learned

00:24:51there's a

00:24:51physiological thing

00:24:53that can happen

00:24:53closely tied

00:24:54to predators.

00:24:56Wild animals

00:24:57in nature

00:24:57when they're

00:24:58getting ready

00:24:59to make an attack

00:25:00their pupils

00:25:01dilate

00:25:01and just go

00:25:02as big as they can

00:25:03so you can

00:25:04take in more light

00:25:05and you can

00:25:06see better.

00:25:11And possibly

00:25:12this is what

00:25:12was happening

00:25:13with Ted.

00:25:17About six weeks

00:25:18after Sue Rancourt

00:25:19disappeared

00:25:20a young woman

00:25:20named Roberta Parks

00:25:22who went by Kathy

00:25:23had received

00:25:25kind of an upsetting

00:25:26phone call

00:25:26that her father

00:25:28had had a heart attack

00:25:29earlier that day.

00:25:31She was going to go

00:25:32get an ice cream sundae

00:25:33to feel better.

00:25:34That's the last time

00:25:35anyone ever saw

00:25:36Kathy Parks.

00:25:38Shortly after that

00:25:39there was another girl

00:25:40who went missing

00:25:41Brenda Carol Ball.

00:25:42All of the young

00:25:44women's disappearances

00:25:45were reported

00:25:46in the media

00:25:46individually.

00:25:48At first they thought

00:25:48maybe they were

00:25:49all isolated incidents

00:25:50because they were

00:25:51so far apart.

00:25:53George Ann Hawkins

00:25:54was last seen

00:25:55Monday evening

00:25:56shortly after midnight.

00:25:58It wasn't until

00:25:59after George Ann Hawkins

00:26:01went missing

00:26:01that the public

00:26:03started to understand

00:26:05that these

00:26:06could be connected

00:26:07because when

00:26:09George Ann Hawkins

00:26:10went missing

00:26:11it was also

00:26:12from the University

00:26:12of Washington

00:26:13which is where

00:26:14Linda Ann Healy

00:26:15had gone missing

00:26:16which is also

00:26:17where Karen Sparks

00:26:18had been attacked

00:26:19and the connection

00:26:21there became

00:26:22so strong

00:26:23that it started

00:26:24to be in the news.

00:26:25Police in the area

00:26:26announced to the news media

00:26:27that a pattern

00:26:28seemed to be emerging

00:26:29similar appearance

00:26:31age

00:26:32circumstances

00:26:33surrounding

00:26:33disappearances.

00:26:36George Ann Hawkins

00:26:37was the sixth girl

00:26:39to go missing

00:26:39in less than five months.

00:26:42It was really scary

00:26:44because it was

00:26:45happening all around us.

00:26:47There were some features

00:26:49that the girls

00:26:49had in common.

00:26:50They were college age,

00:26:52they had long hair

00:26:53parted in the middle,

00:26:54they were all American.

00:26:57These girls

00:26:59looked like

00:26:59my friends and I.

00:27:01That was really

00:27:02unnerving

00:27:03thinking man

00:27:04whoever this is

00:27:05they're hunting

00:27:06people just like us.

00:27:09We just want to caution

00:27:10the young women

00:27:11of our community

00:27:11to be overly cautious

00:27:13at this time.

00:27:16It was such

00:27:17an important time

00:27:18for women

00:27:18in this country.

00:27:19It was the 1970s,

00:27:21women's liberation,

00:27:23you know,

00:27:24women going to college,

00:27:26freedom to live

00:27:28on their own

00:27:29or live with friends.

00:27:30But when Ted

00:27:32came on the scene

00:27:33and began killing women,

00:27:36a lot of those freedoms

00:27:36ended for women,

00:27:38especially at the

00:27:39University of Washington

00:27:40who realized

00:27:41they had to pay

00:27:42attention again.

00:27:44It made us

00:27:45change our behavior.

00:27:46We began to become

00:27:47quite fearful

00:27:48about walking around

00:27:50by ourselves.

00:27:53I had been working

00:27:54at that time

00:27:55at a restaurant

00:27:56and just having

00:27:57to walk that block

00:27:58home in the dark

00:27:59after hearing

00:28:00about these disappearances

00:28:02made me realize

00:28:03this isn't safe to do.

00:28:05And so I had

00:28:07to quit my job

00:28:07and a lot of other

00:28:08girls did too.

00:28:11We knew that

00:28:13there was a predator

00:28:13out there

00:28:14and we were his prey.

00:28:17The ironic thing

00:28:19is I felt safer

00:28:20because Ted

00:28:21lived so close.

00:28:23Ted would come over

00:28:24and we would talk

00:28:25about this

00:28:26and how much

00:28:26we were scared

00:28:27and he was very

00:28:28sympathetic.

00:28:30Oh yeah,

00:28:30it's a terrible thing.

00:28:31I mean,

00:28:31it's awful what's going on.

00:28:33I hope they catch that guy.

00:28:36During this time,

00:28:38my brother was worried

00:28:40because our locks

00:28:41were, he thought,

00:28:43very flimsy.

00:28:43So he went out

00:28:44and bought some kind

00:28:45of bolt to put

00:28:46on the door

00:28:47and he wasn't alone.

00:28:49He came over

00:28:49with Ted.

00:28:52And so Ted and I

00:28:54are sitting there

00:28:54watching John

00:28:55install this barrel bolt

00:28:57to protect us

00:28:59from the very monster

00:29:01that's sitting in my house

00:29:03right at that very moment.

00:29:06The irony of that

00:29:07still gets to me

00:29:08to this day.

00:29:17Years later,

00:29:18when these letters

00:29:19would come in the mail,

00:29:20it was a jolt.

00:29:22I knew by his handwriting

00:29:24exactly who it was

00:29:26and I had to take

00:29:27a deep breath

00:29:27before I opened up

00:29:28and read it.

00:29:29Dear Edna,

00:29:31you cannot know

00:29:32and understand me

00:29:33until you let go

00:29:34of your anger

00:29:35and transcend it.

00:29:37Anger is a barrier

00:29:38which divides

00:29:39and destroys.

00:29:40Just as crucial,

00:29:41you cannot know me

00:29:42until you know,

00:29:44truly know,

00:29:45yourself.

00:29:47He's turning it around

00:29:48and putting it

00:29:49on my shoulders

00:29:50and explaining

00:29:51that I'm the one

00:29:52with a problem.

00:29:53I'm the one

00:29:53with the anger issues.

00:29:54I need to, you know,

00:29:56examine my inner self

00:29:58and find peace,

00:29:59love and gratitude

00:30:01before I could

00:30:01understand him.

00:30:03It still hits me

00:30:04and I go,

00:30:05oh, God,

00:30:07what a bunch of bull.

00:30:09When you're ready

00:30:10for a calm,

00:30:11compassionate

00:30:11and loving dialogue

00:30:12on these things,

00:30:13write me.

00:30:14I'll be ready.

00:30:21July 14th

00:30:22was a really nice

00:30:23sunny day

00:30:23and there were

00:30:24a lot of people

00:30:25that were going out

00:30:25to Lake Sammamish

00:30:26for the day.

00:30:27there was like

00:30:28a sponsored thing

00:30:29on the radio,

00:30:30like parties

00:30:31that were going on

00:30:31so it was very

00:30:32populated that day

00:30:35and there's

00:30:36witness accounts

00:30:39of a man

00:30:40with his arm

00:30:41in a sling

00:30:41going up to women

00:30:43and asking them

00:30:44if they would help him

00:30:45to get his sailboat

00:30:49and some of these women

00:30:51that he approached

00:30:52told him no.

00:30:54But the nicest girls

00:30:56said yes,

00:30:56I'll give you a hand

00:30:58and that was

00:30:59Janice Ott and

00:31:00Denise Nasland.

00:31:03These two young women

00:31:04in one day

00:31:05disappeared

00:31:06from Lake Sammamish.

00:31:07So, of course,

00:31:08we were poring over the news

00:31:09trying to figure out

00:31:10what was going on there.

00:31:11With the disappearance

00:31:12of the Ott and the Nasland girls

00:31:13on the same day

00:31:14from the same state park

00:31:15came the first indications

00:31:16that a male subject

00:31:17was involved.

00:31:19They had eyewitnesses

00:31:21because he approached

00:31:22so many people

00:31:23and did not attempt

00:31:25to hide himself

00:31:26and he even

00:31:28mentioned his name.

00:31:30His name was Ted

00:31:31and he was very polite

00:31:33and suave.

00:31:40From January to July of 1974,

00:31:43the King County area

00:31:44was engulfed

00:31:45in a wave of fear.

00:31:46The furor culminated

00:31:48on July the 14th, 1974.

00:31:50On that day,

00:31:51two young women,

00:31:52Janice Ott and Denise Nasland,

00:31:54had vanished

00:31:54from Lake Sammamish.

00:31:56The day that we got

00:31:58the newspaper

00:31:58showing the missing girls

00:32:00out at Lake Sammamish

00:32:02hit us hard.

00:32:05We saw a composite sketch

00:32:07of this person

00:32:08that supposedly

00:32:09had kidnapped these women

00:32:11and I remember

00:32:12all of us, you know,

00:32:14crowded around the newspaper.

00:32:15We spread it out

00:32:16on the dining room table

00:32:17and we were leaning over

00:32:18looking at it

00:32:19and I'm going,

00:32:20gosh, I wonder

00:32:21who that guy is

00:32:22because it didn't look

00:32:23familiar to me.

00:32:25But, oh my God,

00:32:26it says his name is Ted.

00:32:29And, oh my God,

00:32:31they say he drives

00:32:32a tan V-dub.

00:32:33What a coincidence.

00:32:35But this doesn't look

00:32:36like my cousin.

00:32:39I thought it looked

00:32:40nothing like Ted.

00:32:41I still think

00:32:42it looks nothing like Ted.

00:32:44Almost immediately,

00:32:45Ted was being spotted

00:32:46behind every tree,

00:32:47behind every bush.

00:32:49Police followed up

00:32:49on all the reports

00:32:50but found nothing.

00:32:52A couple days later,

00:32:54Ted came over

00:32:54and we couldn't wait

00:32:55to tease him about it

00:32:57because we were sure

00:32:58that he wasn't connected

00:32:59to it.

00:33:00I pulled the paper out

00:33:01and I said,

00:33:02hey, Ted,

00:33:03you've got a tan Volkswagen.

00:33:05You don't have

00:33:06a phony arm brace,

00:33:07do you, Ted?

00:33:09You don't have

00:33:10a sailboat somewhere,

00:33:11do you, Ted?

00:33:13And he laughed at me.

00:33:15He said,

00:33:16well,

00:33:16as a matter of fact,

00:33:17the police have talked

00:33:18to me about this.

00:33:19And I'm like,

00:33:21are they crazy?

00:33:22You?

00:33:24He was real cheerful

00:33:25about it

00:33:26and both of us

00:33:27were just like,

00:33:27oh, poor Ted,

00:33:28he's had to go through this.

00:33:30And he said,

00:33:30yeah,

00:33:31there's lots of V-dubs

00:33:32in the state of Washington

00:33:34and quite a few

00:33:35registered to a name Ted.

00:33:37And we went,

00:33:37really?

00:33:38And he said,

00:33:39but they're just

00:33:40doing their job.

00:33:41I want to do anything

00:33:42I can to help.

00:33:44Ted had natural charisma.

00:33:46He really reminded me

00:33:47of John Kennedy.

00:33:48He just had this

00:33:50something about him.

00:33:53He was a master

00:33:54at hiding.

00:33:58I can only tell you

00:34:00what I know

00:34:00and I only know

00:34:02a small portion

00:34:02of what there is

00:34:03to be discovered.

00:34:04This much I can testify to.

00:34:07Love is the force

00:34:08which heals

00:34:09and transforms us.

00:34:12By studying ourselves,

00:34:14by listening to

00:34:15and being honest

00:34:16with ourselves,

00:34:17we free ourselves

00:34:18to be guided

00:34:19by our true

00:34:20and loving nature.

00:34:22He was gaslighting me.

00:34:23It was almost like

00:34:25he was writing in riddles

00:34:26to avoid dealing

00:34:27with the truth.

00:34:28I had to call him out on it.

00:34:30So,

00:34:31I followed up

00:34:32with another letter

00:34:32after that.

00:34:34You discuss love,

00:34:36forgiveness,

00:34:37knowing yourself.

00:34:39Those letters

00:34:40I sent you

00:34:40were an exercise

00:34:41at being direct, Ted,

00:34:43which you seem

00:34:43to have a hard time doing.

00:34:45I want to hear your soul.

00:34:47What are you thinking?

00:34:49Good heavens,

00:34:50how could you have gotten

00:34:51so terribly in trouble

00:34:53if you didn't kill someone?

00:35:00not long after

00:35:02the disappearances

00:35:04in Lake Sammamish,

00:35:05Ted says,

00:35:07I'm taking off.

00:35:09I've been accepted

00:35:10to law school

00:35:11at the University of Utah,

00:35:13and we went,

00:35:13oh my gosh,

00:35:14congratulations,

00:35:15and we were really impressed.

00:35:17I remember feeling

00:35:19excited for him

00:35:20on one hand,

00:35:21but I also felt

00:35:23like I was losing

00:35:24a layer of protection.

00:35:26I no longer had Ted

00:35:28just in the neighborhood.

00:35:30But after he left,

00:35:33the murder stopped.

00:35:36Since the publication

00:35:37of the description

00:35:38of the man called Ted,

00:35:39there have been

00:35:40no further disappearances

00:35:41from this area.

00:35:45We kind of begin

00:35:46to take a collective

00:35:49breath of air

00:35:51realizing that maybe

00:35:53things had changed,

00:35:54and we were hoping

00:35:55they weren't going

00:35:56to start up again.

00:36:01What do you got there, Bob?

00:36:03Just more bones so far.

00:36:05Jaw bones,

00:36:05as a matter of fact,

00:36:06aren't they?

00:36:07Well, one kind of looks

00:36:08like a jaw bone, yes.

00:36:09Got teeth in it?

00:36:10Yes.

00:36:12In March of 75,

00:36:14we got this horrifying news

00:36:16that bodies had been found

00:36:18on Taylor Mountain,

00:36:19and we felt another layer

00:36:22of dread wash over us.

00:36:25There are six people

00:36:27definitely identified

00:36:29up at Taylor Mountain.

00:36:30Linda Ann Healy,

00:36:32Susan Elaine Rancourt,

00:36:33Roberta Kathleen Parks,

00:36:35Brenda Ball,

00:36:36Janice Ott,

00:36:37and Denise Noslin.

00:36:39You always hope that

00:36:40they'll come back somehow,

00:36:42but this confirmed

00:36:44everybody's worst fears,

00:36:45is that these girls

00:36:47came to a very violent end.

00:36:51The word is that

00:36:52you are proceeding

00:36:53on the assumption

00:36:54that there are

00:36:55more bodies out here.

00:36:57Well, we keep finding

00:36:59more and more every day.

00:37:02My brother John

00:37:03had done a lot

00:37:04of hiking

00:37:05with Ted

00:37:06in that exact region,

00:37:08Taylor Mountain.

00:37:11Ted liked to choose

00:37:12different places to go,

00:37:14and often were places

00:37:16that were not very scenic.

00:37:17They would be

00:37:18along the back end

00:37:19of a housing development,

00:37:21or along power lines,

00:37:22or near a major highway,

00:37:24or something like that.

00:37:28We learned later

00:37:30that after Ted

00:37:31had been arrested,

00:37:33the detective

00:37:34in King County,

00:37:35Robert Keppel,

00:37:36subpoenaed John

00:37:37and took him out

00:37:38on hikes

00:37:40and said,

00:37:41take us where

00:37:42Ted used to take you.

00:37:46And John did,

00:37:48and it was very close

00:37:51to where Ted's dump sites

00:37:53were found to be.

00:37:57So it seems like

00:37:58he was staking out areas.

00:38:04For a year after Ted left,

00:38:06we didn't really

00:38:08make the association

00:38:09between him leaving,

00:38:11of course,

00:38:12and that the disappearances

00:38:14stopped happening.

00:38:16But then, for me,

00:38:18things really took

00:38:19a really dark turn.

00:38:25My brother lived in Tacoma

00:38:27in these really

00:38:28incredible apartments.

00:38:30One day,

00:38:31I was going to visit him

00:38:33when all of a sudden

00:38:34I hear a sound

00:38:35behind me,

00:38:37and I turn around,

00:38:38and this guy

00:38:39has come in

00:38:40between the buildings.

00:38:44I started to turn to run,

00:38:46and he hauls back

00:38:47and punches me

00:38:48in the face.

00:38:51I stagger,

00:38:53and I realize

00:38:53that I'm in deep,

00:38:55deep trouble.

00:38:57I thought I was going to die.

00:39:04This guy punches me

00:39:05in the face,

00:39:07and I try to fight back.

00:39:09He's just overpowering me,

00:39:11punch after punch.

00:39:14I thought this was the end,

00:39:16and I was really,

00:39:17really mad

00:39:18that this was how

00:39:19my life was going to end

00:39:21because there was so much

00:39:22I wanted to do.

00:39:26Then he grabs me

00:39:27by my arm

00:39:28with the intention

00:39:29of slamming me

00:39:30into the brick wall,

00:39:32and I actually end up

00:39:34falling partway

00:39:35through a basement

00:39:36apartment window,

00:39:38which makes

00:39:38a horrific noise.

00:39:40glass shattering

00:39:42everywhere,

00:39:44and when I turn around

00:39:46to look,

00:39:47expecting another blow

00:39:48from him,

00:39:49he takes off

00:39:49and runs.

00:39:53I had black eyes

00:39:54and bruises everywhere.

00:39:56I started thinking

00:39:58about these young women

00:40:00who had been attacked

00:40:01in Seattle.

00:40:02My empathy for them

00:40:04has always been intense,

00:40:07and I wondered

00:40:08at that time

00:40:09if it was the same guy.

00:40:11But then I thought

00:40:12if it had been,

00:40:13I would have been dead.

00:40:16This is actually

00:40:17after Ted had left

00:40:19and gone to Utah,

00:40:20but Edna didn't know

00:40:22that the perpetrator

00:40:23of these murders

00:40:24was gone.

00:40:25The man that attacked me

00:40:27did not look anything

00:40:28like the sketch

00:40:29that we'd seen

00:40:31from Lake Sammamish.

00:40:33He was short.

00:40:34He had dark hair.

00:40:36I just didn't think

00:40:37it was the same guy.

00:40:39They never caught the guy

00:40:41as far as I know.

00:40:42For some reason,

00:40:44as I'm pulling myself

00:40:45out the window,

00:40:45I yell after him,

00:40:46you need to get some help.

00:40:49I thought maybe

00:40:50he could be redeemed,

00:40:53that if he got help,

00:40:54at least he would stop

00:40:55doing what he was doing.

00:41:01But I have come

00:41:02to the conclusion

00:41:04since then,

00:41:06at least with my cousin,

00:41:07that some people

00:41:08are just not redeemable.

00:41:11When Edna was attacked,

00:41:13her first instinct

00:41:14was sort of to

00:41:16help out the person

00:41:18who attacked her.

00:41:19And that's, I think,

00:41:21something that really

00:41:22stuck with her

00:41:23about these women

00:41:24that Ted murdered

00:41:25because they were

00:41:26the ones that stopped

00:41:27to help him

00:41:28because he had a sling

00:41:30on his arm

00:41:30and he was asking

00:41:31for people to come

00:41:33help him, you know,

00:41:34get something out

00:41:34of his car

00:41:35or help him

00:41:35with his book bag

00:41:36or something like that.

00:41:38And I think that's

00:41:39something that's

00:41:40really troubled Edna

00:41:41is this idea

00:41:42that they could be

00:41:44exploited for their goodness

00:41:47and that Ted,

00:41:48her cousin,

00:41:49as she learned later,

00:41:51was using their goodness

00:41:53against them.

00:41:57Dear Edna,

00:41:58I have no problem

00:42:00with discussing that

00:42:01which is referred to

00:42:02as the past,

00:42:03but I have no interest,

00:42:05need, or desire

00:42:06to engage in some

00:42:07epic recount.

00:42:09No one appoints you

00:42:10inquisitor or prosecutor.

00:42:13I'm under no obligation

00:42:14to prove myself

00:42:16to anyone.

00:42:17Be yourself, Edna.

00:42:20I love you

00:42:20the way you are.

00:42:21I would like

00:42:23the same consideration.

00:42:30Within two months

00:42:32of Ted Bundy's arrival

00:42:33in Utah,

00:42:35two young women

00:42:37disappeared.

00:42:38Another few young women

00:42:40were found murdered.

00:42:42And then a fifth woman

00:42:43had been attacked,

00:42:45abducted,

00:42:46and managed to escape.

00:42:48Her name was Carol DeRange.

00:42:51She broke away,

00:42:53made it to the police

00:42:54station,

00:42:54and she said,

00:42:55this man is trying

00:42:56to kill me.

00:42:57And she described

00:42:58his Volkswagen,

00:42:59and by the time

00:43:00they go back

00:43:01to check out

00:43:02the scene

00:43:02of her escape,

00:43:04the Volkswagen

00:43:04and the man

00:43:05were gone.

00:43:07No one realized

00:43:08at that time

00:43:09that a serial killer

00:43:11had arrived

00:43:12in Utah.

00:43:16After I was attacked,

00:43:17I needed to get away.

00:43:19And one of our friends

00:43:20heard about jobs

00:43:21up in Alaska,

00:43:22working up in a crab

00:43:24processing plant.

00:43:26The idea of it

00:43:28sounded kind of romantic

00:43:29and crazy and wild,

00:43:30and it paid pretty well.

00:43:31So we all decided

00:43:33to apply for it.

00:43:35They worked us like dogs.

00:43:3910-hour days

00:43:40next to the freezer room.

00:43:42It must have been

00:43:4340 degrees in there.

00:43:44I was working

00:43:45one day on the line,

00:43:47and someone comes down

00:43:49and says,

00:43:51hey, you got a call.

00:43:54And as soon as I clicked on,

00:43:56I discovered

00:43:56it was my brother.

00:43:58And my brother is saying,

00:44:00I've got some news for you.

00:44:02And he's talking about

00:44:03the things that are going on

00:44:05in Salt Lake City,

00:44:07girls disappearing there.

00:44:08And then he starts

00:44:09tying that together

00:44:11with girls

00:44:12in Washington State, too.

00:44:15And I'm going,

00:44:15oh, God,

00:44:16what is this about?

00:44:18And he said,

00:44:19they've arrested

00:44:19someone for that.

00:44:21And I went,

00:44:22well, okay,

00:44:22well, that's really good news.

00:44:24I'm glad they have.

00:44:26He goes,

00:44:27well, no,

00:44:28it's not really good news.

00:44:32It's Ted.

00:44:38And I went,

00:44:39oh, my God.

00:44:43That's not possible.

00:44:45And he said,

00:44:46it is.

00:44:47And I just,

00:44:48everything kind of

00:44:49shut down after that.

00:44:53I just needed some air.

00:44:55The whole ship

00:44:56is thrumming

00:44:57and vibrating

00:44:57and I break through

00:44:59onto the deck

00:45:01outside

00:45:02and I am running

00:45:03and I'm just screaming.

00:45:05I just needed

00:45:06to get it out of my system

00:45:08that, no,

00:45:09this can't be true,

00:45:11that someone

00:45:12you've grown up with,

00:45:14someone you trusted,

00:45:15someone who

00:45:16you felt safe with,

00:45:19could possibly

00:45:21have done this.

00:45:23There's got to be

00:45:24some mistake.

00:45:29I have,

00:45:30I still get so emotional

00:45:32when I think about it.

00:45:36It's one of the worst days

00:45:37of my life.

00:45:43So,

00:45:43where do we go from here?

00:45:51I think anybody

00:45:52that's related

00:45:53to someone

00:45:54who

00:45:55has

00:45:56so much evil

00:45:57in them

00:45:57like Ted,

00:45:58you go,

00:45:59how did that happen

00:46:00to him?

00:46:00Is there any

00:46:02remote possibility

00:46:03that any of that

00:46:04has trickled down

00:46:06to any of us

00:46:07or to me?

00:46:10When he was getting

00:46:11ready to go

00:46:11through this execution,

00:46:12I really kind of

00:46:14went into myself

00:46:15and then I started

00:46:16thinking,

00:46:17God,

00:46:17what if,

00:46:19is there any

00:46:20of that insanity

00:46:21within us?

00:46:24This is dated

00:46:24May 31st, 1986.

00:46:28Dear Ted,

00:46:29I hate you

00:46:30for what you did

00:46:31to those women,

00:46:33children,

00:46:34and their families.

00:46:38So many times

00:46:39have I wanted

00:46:39to take hold of you

00:46:40and shake you,

00:46:41shake you and

00:46:42until you break

00:46:43down and cry.

00:46:44Are you taking

00:46:45revenge on your mother,

00:46:47on the rest

00:46:48of your family,

00:46:49on your biological

00:46:50father,

00:46:51on those girls

00:46:51who rejected you?

00:46:53Come on, Ted.

00:46:54Can you stop

00:46:55the pretense?

00:46:56It appears

00:46:57the end is near

00:46:58for you.

00:46:59I must confess

00:47:00to you that I will

00:47:01miss my great

00:47:02memories of you.

00:47:05But can you

00:47:06come to terms

00:47:07with what you

00:47:07have done

00:47:08for the sake

00:47:09of your family

00:47:10and especially

00:47:10the families

00:47:11of your victims?

00:47:12Will you please

00:47:13explain what happened?

00:47:15Your cousin,

00:47:16Edna.

00:47:17Are you angry?

00:47:19Sure, I get angry.

00:47:21I get very, very

00:47:21angry and indignant.

00:47:23I don't like

00:47:24being locked up

00:47:24for something I didn't do

00:47:26and I don't like

00:47:26my liberty taken away.

00:47:281975 was a turning point

00:47:30for Ted's life

00:47:32in that he got caught.

00:47:33That was the beginning

00:47:35of the end,

00:47:36really, for Ted.

00:47:37Utah Highway Patrol

00:47:39Sergeant Bob Hayward

00:47:40arrested Bundy

00:47:41in Granger

00:47:41after Carol Durant

00:47:42was kidnapped

00:47:43from the Fashion

00:47:44Place Mall

00:47:44in Murray.

00:47:46Carol Durant

00:47:47was actually

00:47:47put into his car

00:47:49and got away.

00:47:51She made a positive

00:47:53identification of Ted

00:47:54in a police lineup.

00:47:57And so that was

00:47:59the moment

00:48:00that he got arrested.

00:48:02They're searching his car

00:48:03and they find

00:48:05all of these

00:48:06burglary implements.

00:48:08They find a ski mask,

00:48:11an ice pick,

00:48:13a crowbar,

00:48:14and he's trying

00:48:15to explain

00:48:15all of it away.

00:48:16But at that point,

00:48:18they're saying

00:48:19this is a strange

00:48:20individual

00:48:21with some strange things.

00:48:24I couldn't believe it.

00:48:26Not Ted.

00:48:28Not my cousin.

00:48:34You have all this

00:48:35internal dialogue going

00:48:37where you're going,

00:48:38okay, one side of you

00:48:39say, no, no, no,

00:48:39this can't be possibly true,

00:48:41it's mistaken identity.

00:48:42And then the other one's going,

00:48:44what if it is?

00:48:47When these two sides

00:48:48are just warring

00:48:49with each other,

00:48:50you're in the middle

00:48:51trying to process it.

00:48:53I really wanted to believe

00:48:55that I was a good judge

00:48:57of character.

00:48:59That's not the Ted Bundy

00:49:00we know.

00:49:02He grew up around

00:49:03our family,

00:49:04so we were friends.

00:49:05If I needed anything,

00:49:06he'd be there for me

00:49:07in minutes.

00:49:08I wasn't ready

00:49:09to believe

00:49:11that he was capable

00:49:13of doing this.

00:49:15Ted Bundy banked a lot

00:49:17on the fact

00:49:18that he did not

00:49:18have a criminal record.

00:49:20And because he didn't

00:49:21have any priors,

00:49:22the judge assumed

00:49:24that he was not

00:49:25much of a flight risk.

00:49:26And so his bail

00:49:28was reduced

00:49:29and he was released

00:49:31in around Thanksgiving

00:49:33of 1975.

00:49:36For the family,

00:49:37they see this as proof

00:49:39that the state

00:49:39doesn't have a case

00:49:40against him.

00:49:40So it's even more so

00:49:42just providing this evidence

00:49:43for something

00:49:44that they want

00:49:44to believe anyway,

00:49:45which is Ted's innocent,

00:49:47he's just in a terrible situation.

00:49:50This thing must have

00:49:51hit you like a bolt

00:49:52of lightning.

00:49:53What was your reaction?

00:49:56Complete another shock.

00:49:58We still don't believe it.

00:50:00It just can't be.

00:50:01I keep shaking my head

00:50:02day after day

00:50:04saying,

00:50:05how can this be?

00:50:06Because our son

00:50:08is the best son

00:50:09in the world.

00:50:14The crab processing season

00:50:16ended at the end

00:50:18of November of 75

00:50:20and the beginning

00:50:21of December.

00:50:23So when I was

00:50:25ready to head home,

00:50:26I needed to talk

00:50:27to Ted

00:50:29and hear it from him.

00:50:31I wanted to believe

00:50:32more than anything

00:50:33that this was

00:50:33a terrible mistake.

00:50:35I didn't want to accept it.

00:50:36I needed more facts.

00:50:37And it just so happens

00:50:39when I got back

00:50:40to the Seattle area,

00:50:41he was let out

00:50:43on bail from Utah.

00:50:47And he got in touch

00:50:48with me.

00:50:49And I said,

00:50:50well, I'm going to be

00:50:51in Seattle tomorrow

00:50:53and I'm going to be

00:50:54meeting up with

00:50:55some of my old workmates.

00:50:57And I picked him up

00:50:58along the way.

00:51:01He leaned over

00:51:02and he gave me a big hug.

00:51:04He said,

00:51:04so good to see you.

00:51:05And I had so many things

00:51:06I wanted to talk to him about.

00:51:07I didn't want to just

00:51:08start the conversation

00:51:10only to have to end it

00:51:11in a few minutes.

00:51:13So we went to

00:51:14the restaurant.

00:51:16There were

00:51:17eight to ten of us.

00:51:18And one of the guys

00:51:19across the table

00:51:20has said,

00:51:20so Ted,

00:51:21what's your last name?

00:51:22Ted who?

00:51:24At that moment,

00:51:25I thought,

00:51:26oh God.

00:51:28At this point,

00:51:29the full name

00:51:30of Ted Bundy

00:51:30was well-known

00:51:32in Seattle

00:51:32because his name

00:51:34had become linked

00:51:35not only with

00:51:37what was going on

00:51:37in Utah,

00:51:38but to the disappearances

00:51:39here in the

00:51:40greater Seattle area.

00:51:43I was hoping

00:51:44he would kind of

00:51:45just say,

00:51:45oh, just Ted is,

00:51:46you know,

00:51:46is good enough.

00:51:47But instead,

00:51:48he goes,

00:51:50I'm Ted Bundy.

00:51:51And he sounded proud.

00:51:54I turned to look at him

00:51:56to see the look

00:51:57on his face

00:51:58when he said it

00:51:58and he was smiling.

00:52:01The young woman

00:52:02that crossed the table,

00:52:03she recoiled.

00:52:05The guy that asked it,

00:52:07he looked like

00:52:08he was talking

00:52:08to a rock star,

00:52:09like it was cool.

00:52:10And then I looked at him

00:52:11like,

00:52:12this is not

00:52:12the right reaction.

00:52:14I felt like a,

00:52:14you know,

00:52:16a ping pong ball

00:52:17batting back and forth

00:52:18between these

00:52:19different reactions.

00:52:21And I said,

00:52:21we got to go.

00:52:22And I just bolted

00:52:23out of there.

00:52:23He had to run

00:52:24to keep up with me.

00:52:26We got in the car

00:52:27and I turned to him

00:52:30and I said,

00:52:32so, Ted,

00:52:33did you really

00:52:34abduct those girls

00:52:35and kill those girls?

00:52:39Dear cousin,

00:52:40that which I call

00:52:41the past

00:52:42isn't something I fear.

00:52:44Tell me the truth,

00:52:46you said.

00:52:47I have.

00:52:49I will.

00:52:50I will.

00:52:57I'm alone with him

00:52:58in the car.

00:52:59We're driving along

00:53:01and I just kind of

00:53:02look at him

00:53:03and I said,

00:53:04so, Ted,

00:53:05did you really

00:53:06abduct those girls

00:53:08and kill those girls?

00:53:10He looks at me

00:53:11and he goes,

00:53:12oh, of course not, Edna.

00:53:13I would never do

00:53:15such a thing like that.

00:53:16It's all a big mistake.

00:53:21And I remember

00:53:22that it sounded

00:53:23so genuine

00:53:24that I believed him

00:53:28and I was so relieved.

00:53:30I was just like,

00:53:31oh, thank God.

00:53:34So I said,

00:53:34well, I just have

00:53:35to run this one errand.

00:53:36Do you mind

00:53:36just waiting in the car

00:53:37because I'll just

00:53:38be a few minutes?

00:53:40And I ran into

00:53:41the bookstore,

00:53:42grabbed what I needed

00:53:43and I'm distracted

00:53:44by commotion

00:53:46that's going on

00:53:46outside on the street below.

00:53:48Something's going on

00:53:49down on the corner.

00:53:55I get down.

00:53:57I was standing

00:53:58at the corner

00:53:58waiting for the light

00:54:00to change

00:54:01and across the street

00:54:03there were crowds

00:54:04of people milling around.

00:54:07I saw in the center

00:54:08of the crowd

00:54:09that it was my cousin

00:54:10and he was standing

00:54:11with his arms out

00:54:13eyes closed

00:54:14and his head

00:54:15tilted back

00:54:16and in a loud voice

00:54:19as he was rotating

00:54:20he was saying,

00:54:22I'm Ted Bundy.

00:54:24I'm Ted Bundy.

00:54:27And I just was like,

00:54:29oh my God.

00:54:31The crowd is starting

00:54:32to get aggressive.

00:54:34All I'm thinking is

00:54:35I've got to get him

00:54:35out of here

00:54:36so I slap my hand

00:54:37over his mouth

00:54:38to shut him up.

00:54:40We get in the car

00:54:41and I'm going,

00:54:43what have I just witnessed?

00:54:50You know,

00:54:50it takes a few minutes

00:54:51for things to process

00:54:52when you see something

00:54:53that shocks you like that.

00:54:57We're in the car.

00:54:58It's completely silent

00:55:00except that

00:55:01my inner voice

00:55:02is yelling at me.

00:55:04I'm freaked out.

00:55:06And I turn my head

00:55:08and I look at him

00:55:10and he's just smiling

00:55:12at me

00:55:12and how,

00:55:13oh God,

00:55:14he knows I know.

00:55:17And then I decide

00:55:18what I'm going to do

00:55:19if he makes a move

00:55:21for me.

00:55:23I'm going to crash

00:55:24my Ford Squire wagon.

00:55:25I'm going to crash it

00:55:26into the parked car.

00:55:27I don't want to crash

00:55:28into somebody

00:55:29coming at me

00:55:29because I'm considerate.

00:55:30You know,

00:55:31I don't want to do that.

00:55:32But I'm going to do it

00:55:33on his side.

00:55:34There's no way

00:55:35he's taking me alive.

00:55:38And I pull up

00:55:39in front of his house

00:55:43and he opens the door

00:55:45and he swings his legs out,

00:55:48shuts the door

00:55:51and walks away.

00:55:53And I put my head

00:55:55on the steering wheel

00:55:56and I just go,

00:55:57oh my God.

00:56:00He did it.

00:56:06Edna,

00:56:07on an intellectual,

00:56:08factual level of knowing,

00:56:10you don't know me.

00:56:13Dear cousin,

00:56:14when you come to know yourself,

00:56:15you will know me.

00:56:18There is nothing

00:56:19that I have experienced

00:56:20that you have not

00:56:21experienced in some way.

00:56:25After I dropped Ted off,

00:56:27I had to talk to Don

00:56:30because he was

00:56:31my load-bearing wall.

00:56:32He, he,

00:56:36I knew he would support me.

00:56:42She came home

00:56:43and she told me,

00:56:44he's guilty.

00:56:46100%.

00:56:47I said,

00:56:48Ted murdered those women.

00:56:50He's,

00:56:50he's the one.

00:56:52He's,

00:56:52he's the person

00:56:53that has been terrorizing us.

00:56:56I defended him.

00:56:58Well, Edna,

00:56:58you don't know that.

00:56:59Yes, I do.

00:57:00Well, you can't know.

00:57:02I was just the devil's advocate

00:57:03because it was really important

00:57:06that he not be guilty

00:57:08for his mother's

00:57:09and father's sake

00:57:10and his brothers and sisters,

00:57:12you know.

00:57:13But once she told me

00:57:15all that she saw that day,

00:57:17I went,

00:57:18he's guilty.

00:57:21I was still in shock

00:57:23at that point.

00:57:24and I questioned everything

00:57:26that I knew about him

00:57:28and wondered,

00:57:29had he ever been telling me

00:57:31the truth about himself?

00:57:33And then I started thinking

00:57:35about some instances

00:57:38that might have stood out

00:57:40that I hadn't really noticed before.

00:57:43There was that time

00:57:45that he was over

00:57:46and he was dancing with Margie

00:57:47and, oh my gosh,

00:57:49and the look on his face,

00:57:50I wonder if that was a sign.

00:57:55Thinking about going

00:57:56dancing with him

00:57:58and how he was looking

00:57:59at everybody

00:58:01on the dance floor.

00:58:04And those things started

00:58:05really taking on

00:58:06a whole new meaning

00:58:07at that time.

00:58:15We all pray

00:58:17and hope there are signs.

00:58:20But at the time,

00:58:22the signs that I saw

00:58:24didn't add up

00:58:26to anything significant enough

00:58:27for me to be concerned.

00:58:29And if that's the case,

00:58:31that's truly horrific.

00:58:34Because then anyone

00:58:37could be a monster.

00:58:42My life in the idea of time

00:58:45is divided into two eras.

00:58:46B.C.,

00:58:49before court and cops.

00:58:50And A.D.,

00:58:52after damnation.

00:58:53One life ended

00:58:55and another began

00:58:56once I began living in prison.

00:59:02Ted Bundy was convicted

00:59:04of aggravated kidnapping.

00:59:06Initially,

00:59:07he was charged

00:59:07with attempted homicide.

00:59:09But they decided

00:59:10there was not evidence

00:59:11of an intent

00:59:12to kill Carol DeRanche.

00:59:14Ultimately,

00:59:15he was given

00:59:16between one to 15 years

00:59:17at the Utah State Prison

00:59:19for the kidnapping charge.

00:59:21Attempting kidnapping.

00:59:23It was a hard thing

00:59:24for the family to accept.

00:59:27My parents were not

00:59:28quite where I was

00:59:29or where Don was

00:59:30on our realization

00:59:32that Ted had committed

00:59:33these crimes.

00:59:35We didn't force it

00:59:36on them

00:59:37because it's just

00:59:38too hard.

00:59:39Sweet old people,

00:59:40they know it's going

00:59:42to devastate

00:59:43Ted's mom and dad

00:59:44and ruin his family.

00:59:48Which it pretty much did.

00:59:52A lot of momentous things

00:59:54happened in my life

00:59:56after that moment

00:59:57on the street corner

00:59:58with Ted Bundy.

01:00:01Don and I got married

01:00:03in June of 1976.

01:00:05And then the following year,

01:00:07we had our daughter,

01:00:08Anna.

01:00:10Our lives

01:00:11completely changed.

01:00:13She was

01:00:14a new beginning

01:00:15and it wasn't about him,

01:00:17it was about her.

01:00:19We were new parents

01:00:20foraging forward

01:00:22with a lot of other things

01:00:23on our mind

01:00:24besides Ted Bundy.

01:00:25He was in the background

01:00:27for sure,

01:00:28but he never quite

01:00:29went away.

01:00:32Convicted kidnapper,

01:00:33Theodore Bundy

01:00:33is on his way

01:00:34to Aspen, Colorado,

01:00:35where he will stand trial

01:00:37for first-degree murder.

01:00:38Bundy is accused

01:00:39of murdering

01:00:39Karen Campbell

01:00:40of Dearborn, Michigan.

01:00:41She was vacationing

01:00:43in Aspen

01:00:43at the time of her death.

01:00:45They started to suspect

01:00:47that he might be responsible

01:00:49for additional abductions

01:00:51and disappearances

01:00:52in Colorado.

01:00:54They found gas receipts

01:00:56close to where

01:00:57some of these abductions

01:00:59had taken place.

01:01:00and they extradited him

01:01:02and they extradited him

01:01:03to Colorado

01:01:04so that he could face

01:01:06a trial there.

01:01:07Bundy spends his life

01:01:09inside this 16-cell

01:01:10county jail.

01:01:11He gets up

01:01:12at 6.30 in the morning,

01:01:14walks, he says,

01:01:14about two miles a day,

01:01:16pacing a cell.

01:01:17But he spends most of his time

01:01:19preparing his defense.

01:01:21When I heard he was

01:01:23defending himself,

01:01:24I wasn't surprised.

01:01:26He was so full of hubris

01:01:28and loved to be

01:01:29the center of attention

01:01:31that it didn't surprise me,

01:01:33but I thought it was

01:01:33extremely foolish.

01:01:35He was not really helping

01:01:36his chances of walking free.

01:01:39But he had his own solution

01:01:41to that in Colorado.

01:01:45On December 30th of 1977,

01:01:49the phone rings.

01:01:52And a very familiar voice

01:01:54was on the other end

01:01:55of that call.

01:01:56And it was my cousin,

01:01:58Ted Bundy.

01:02:00And I went,

01:02:01whoa, oh, well,

01:02:02you know, how are you?

01:02:04Not really knowing

01:02:06what to say.

01:02:07You know, so we talked

01:02:09a little bit of family talk

01:02:10for a few minutes

01:02:11and then he said,

01:02:13hey, I've got a question

01:02:13to ask you.

01:02:14What would you think

01:02:15if I escaped?

01:02:18And I said, what?

01:02:21I said, well,

01:02:21that would be

01:02:22a very bad idea.

01:02:24And I was thinking,

01:02:25he's just yanking my chain.

01:02:26I'm sure that they're listening

01:02:28in on this conversation

01:02:29and he's probably doing it

01:02:31not only to, you know,

01:02:33get to me,

01:02:33but also to really drive

01:02:35his keepers crazy.

01:02:39And shortly after that,

01:02:40we ended the conversation.

01:02:44I called my brother

01:02:46the next day

01:02:47and said,

01:02:47you can't even believe this.

01:02:49And John said,

01:02:50he called me

01:02:51and asked me

01:02:51the same question.

01:02:53He says, well,

01:02:54and he also asked me

01:02:56another question.

01:02:57What were the worst states

01:02:58for the death penalty?

01:03:00I told him,

01:03:02most likely Texas

01:03:03and Florida

01:03:04would be the worst.

01:03:08The phone call

01:03:09from Ted

01:03:09happened

01:03:10on December 30th.

01:03:12On the morning

01:03:14of January 1st,

01:03:16we were awakened

01:03:18very early in the morning

01:03:20by pounding on the door.

01:03:23and we heard

01:03:24these people outside

01:03:25kind of yelling,

01:03:27FBI.

01:03:27And all of a sudden,

01:03:28we just both woke up.

01:03:29Our eyes just popped open

01:03:30going, oh my God,

01:03:32what, why is the FBI here?

01:03:34Convicted kidnapper

01:03:35Theodore Bundy

01:03:36has escaped from jail

01:03:37in Colorado.

01:03:38Bundy fled

01:03:39the Garfield County Jail

01:03:40in Glenwood Springs.

01:03:42Bundy's escape

01:03:43bordered on a Houdini escapade.

01:03:45The 5'11",

01:03:46145-pound

01:03:48former law student

01:03:49ripped out

01:03:49a light fixture

01:03:50and then maneuvered himself

01:03:51up through a 12-inch

01:03:53by 12-inch hole

01:03:54in the ceiling.

01:03:55The sheriff says

01:03:56Bundy then crawled

01:03:57along the attic

01:03:58and dropped down

01:03:59into the empty

01:04:00jailer's office,

01:04:01grabbed two guns,

01:04:02and walked out the door.

01:04:04The guns were later found,

01:04:06but Bundy was not.

01:04:08By the time they got to us,

01:04:10he'd been gone for a while,

01:04:12and it occurred to us

01:04:14that he could be

01:04:14getting close to us

01:04:15and that Edna

01:04:17was a likely place to come.

01:04:21They knew that I

01:04:22had talked to him

01:04:23just 36 hours prior to that.

01:04:26And they came out

01:04:27pretty strong about

01:04:28that we better not aid

01:04:29and abet him in any way,

01:04:31and we tried to reassure him

01:04:32that we had no intentions

01:04:34of helping him out,

01:04:36and that just made us

01:04:37really nervous.

01:04:40I said,

01:04:40I'll do everything in my power

01:04:42to stop him.

01:04:43I was a trained Marine.

01:04:45We were trained to kill.

01:04:47I fortified the house,

01:04:49and at that point,

01:04:50I'm going,

01:04:51if he shows up on my property,

01:04:53I will kill Ted Bundy.

01:05:00wherever he may be,

01:05:02Bundy is now on the FBI's

01:05:0310 most wanted list.

01:05:05The search reaches

01:05:06all over the West right now,

01:05:07and the East Coast,

01:05:08Canada,

01:05:09and Mexico.

01:05:10Dozens of leads are coming in,

01:05:11but so far,

01:05:11nothing solid.

01:05:13Some officers feel

01:05:13it's going to be a long time

01:05:15before Theodore Bundy

01:05:16is behind bars again.

01:05:19My cousin,

01:05:20Ted Bundy,

01:05:21had again

01:05:23intruded into my world.

01:05:26He escaped

01:05:27from his jail

01:05:28in Colorado,

01:05:28and we were on high alert

01:05:30up in Washington,

01:05:32wondering if he had come

01:05:33this way,

01:05:34and he was hiding out

01:05:34and just waiting

01:05:35to come by.

01:05:37He wouldn't have called me

01:05:39and played with me

01:05:39like that

01:05:40if he didn't have

01:05:41some kind of plan,

01:05:42is what I thought.

01:05:42It seemed like

01:05:44he was coming after me.

01:05:46I was feeling the part

01:05:48of a prey animal

01:05:49that I was being hunted.

01:05:54Weeks passed,

01:05:56and weeks of us

01:05:57checking the papers,

01:05:59looking for information

01:06:00on what had happened

01:06:01to Ted Bundy.

01:06:02We were wondering

01:06:03if he was alive,

01:06:05dead.

01:06:06We didn't know.

01:06:07And then,

01:06:08a huge news story

01:06:10hit the air.

01:06:12Theodore Bundy

01:06:13was arrested on Wednesday

01:06:14while driving

01:06:15a stolen car.

01:06:16But yesterday,

01:06:17it was discovered

01:06:17he was on the FBI's

01:06:1910 Most Wanted list.

01:06:20Bundy is a prison escapee

01:06:22who's suspected

01:06:22of 36 rape murders

01:06:24in several western states.

01:06:27Florida,

01:06:27one of the states

01:06:28that my brother told him,

01:06:31was one of the worst states

01:06:33to go to

01:06:33because of the death penalty.

01:06:35And that's where

01:06:37he was arrested.

01:06:39I couldn't help wonder

01:06:40if he indeed

01:06:41had a death wish.

01:06:44And I was really relieved

01:06:45that they had caught him.

01:06:47But then that relief

01:06:49turned to

01:06:50another level of horror.

01:06:53He had killed again.

01:06:58Last night,

01:06:58we told you about

01:06:59a most brutal

01:07:00and a savage crime

01:07:01on the Florida State

01:07:02University campus.

01:07:03A couple of young coeds

01:07:04were killed in their sleep,

01:07:05beaten and strangled.

01:07:06Three others

01:07:07were beaten near death,

01:07:08but they seem to be

01:07:09pulling through.

01:07:10The killings in Florida

01:07:12were big, angry,

01:07:14huge, explosive,

01:07:16loud.

01:07:17They were nearly the opposite

01:07:21of how he'd done things

01:07:23in the northwest.

01:07:25Before,

01:07:26it was a lot more surgical.

01:07:28It was one at a time.

01:07:29It was more calculated.

01:07:31In Florida,

01:07:31it was just like a rampage.

01:07:35He broke into the

01:07:36Chi Omega sorority house

01:07:38at night,

01:07:38and he just went

01:07:40through the rooms

01:07:41attacking and assaulting

01:07:43sorority women.

01:07:45He wasn't even trying

01:07:46to be discreet.

01:07:48It was as if

01:07:49that time that he was

01:07:50incarcerated,

01:07:51he was just building up

01:07:53all this pressure,

01:07:54and that he needed

01:07:55to release it.

01:07:59He got out somehow

01:08:00uncaught,

01:08:01and he is still

01:08:03at large.

01:08:04But he stays in Florida,

01:08:06and, you know,

01:08:07weeks later,

01:08:08he abducts and murders

01:08:1112-year-old

01:08:12Kimberly Leach.

01:08:16Ted went to trial

01:08:17twice for the murders

01:08:19in Florida.

01:08:20The first trial

01:08:21was for the murders

01:08:23of Margaret Bowman

01:08:25and Lisa Levy

01:08:26at Chi Omega.

01:08:27A few months later,

01:08:28he was put on trial

01:08:29in Miami, Florida

01:08:31for the murder

01:08:32of 12-year-old

01:08:33Kimberly Leach,

01:08:34who he had

01:08:35dumped in a pigsty

01:08:38and left

01:08:39for several months

01:08:40before she was found.

01:08:42At times,

01:08:43Bundy is turning

01:08:44into his own defense lawyer

01:08:45for cross-examination,

01:08:46but prosecutors

01:08:47have left little doubt

01:08:48about the horrible

01:08:49nature of the crimes

01:08:50they say Bundy committed.

01:08:52When I was watching him

01:08:54in the courtroom

01:08:56on television,

01:08:57and he raised up

01:08:58his arms,

01:09:00chills ran through

01:09:01my body

01:09:01because it harkened

01:09:02back to that day

01:09:04on the corner

01:09:05when he had raised

01:09:06his arms saying,

01:09:07I'm Ted Bundy.

01:09:08I thought,

01:09:08there he is.

01:09:09He's basking in the glory.

01:09:11He was a media god

01:09:12and he thought,

01:09:14this is where

01:09:15I need to be.

01:09:20He undercut

01:09:21any serious

01:09:22legal claims

01:09:23he might have

01:09:24been able to make.

01:09:25his questions

01:09:27weren't well thought out.

01:09:28I think it was

01:09:29a ploy

01:09:30and just a game.

01:09:33Since I have been

01:09:34in Lade County,

01:09:35I have been allowed

01:09:36to shake your finger

01:09:37at me, young man.

01:09:38Don't shake your finger

01:09:39at me, young man.

01:09:42Finally,

01:09:43the announcement came.

01:09:45He was going

01:09:46to be executed.

01:09:47There was no way

01:09:48out for him.

01:09:50It was an awful moment

01:09:52because you have

01:09:54all these thoughts

01:09:55about the person

01:09:55that you thought

01:09:57you knew

01:09:57and the love

01:09:58and affection,

01:09:59that never goes away.

01:10:02And now you have

01:10:03to replace it

01:10:04with this other person.

01:10:07I can't understand

01:10:08how he could be

01:10:09so kind

01:10:10and so sweet

01:10:12and attentive

01:10:13to me

01:10:13and then turn around

01:10:16and do what he did

01:10:18to girls

01:10:18who look like me.

01:10:19Just horrific,

01:10:20evil things.

01:10:22Violent,

01:10:23painfully violent

01:10:24things that he did

01:10:25to them.

01:10:26I was so revolted

01:10:28and sickened

01:10:29by it

01:10:31that I just,

01:10:32I got the cold sweats.

01:10:34It was,

01:10:34it was,

01:10:35it was terrible.

01:10:36I had nightmares.

01:10:41I worked really hard

01:10:43to put him

01:10:43out of my mind

01:10:44and go on

01:10:44with our lives

01:10:45and we were

01:10:46real successful

01:10:46on most levels

01:10:48with that

01:10:48but as the years

01:10:50passed by

01:10:51he kept intruding

01:10:52more and more

01:10:53on my consciousness.

01:10:56He was going

01:10:56to die

01:10:57and here he was,

01:10:59he still was not

01:11:00explaining

01:11:01why he had done

01:11:02these things

01:11:02or where the

01:11:03girls were.

01:11:06but I had

01:11:06so much emotion

01:11:07I had to express

01:11:08it somehow

01:11:08because if I didn't

01:11:10I was just going

01:11:10to explode

01:11:11into fragments.

01:11:14I felt like

01:11:15I still had

01:11:16some influence

01:11:16on him

01:11:17that maybe

01:11:18I could do

01:11:19something

01:11:21and the most

01:11:22effective way

01:11:23I thought I could

01:11:23do that

01:11:24was to write

01:11:25to Ted

01:11:26and that's

01:11:27what started

01:11:29as a series

01:11:30of letters

01:11:30to him

01:11:31where I just

01:11:32went at him

01:11:33with what

01:11:34really

01:11:35was important

01:11:36to me

01:11:36and what

01:11:36I felt

01:11:37like was

01:11:37important

01:11:38to a lot

01:11:38of people.

01:11:41Did I think

01:11:42there was still

01:11:43hope for him

01:11:44as a person

01:11:44for his soul?

01:11:45I don't know.

01:11:47I didn't

01:11:47really think

01:11:48so at that

01:11:49point

01:11:50but if there

01:11:51was any

01:11:51of that old

01:11:52Ted left

01:11:53I thought

01:11:54at least

01:11:54I could

01:11:54appeal to him.

01:11:57Ted,

01:11:58you would be

01:11:58benefiting mankind

01:11:59by letting them

01:12:00understand better

01:12:01how a mind

01:12:01like yours works.

01:12:02How do you

01:12:04justify murder?

01:12:05I'd like to know

01:12:06what it was

01:12:06that made you

01:12:07cross the line.

01:12:08It is time

01:12:09for you to do

01:12:10this.

01:12:11No games.

01:12:13You cannot

01:12:13deny your guilt.

01:12:15Your cousin

01:12:16Edna.

01:12:24I had an amazing

01:12:25childhood.

01:12:26I grew up

01:12:27on the beach.

01:12:29We had a lot

01:12:30of bonfires.

01:12:30We played

01:12:31volleyball

01:12:31and my parents

01:12:33were amazing

01:12:35people.

01:12:36They were so

01:12:37warm and loving

01:12:38and funny

01:12:38and I'm an only

01:12:39child so we spent

01:12:40you know we were

01:12:40just like the

01:12:41three musketeers.

01:12:43There was no

01:12:44indication that

01:12:45anything was

01:12:46off until I

01:12:48got a little

01:12:48bit older.

01:12:52Maybe when I

01:12:53was eight I

01:12:54saw a letter

01:12:56on the table

01:12:57and it had

01:12:59this sort of

01:13:00scrawling

01:13:00handwriting and

01:13:02it was addressed

01:13:02to my mother

01:13:03and the return

01:13:04address just

01:13:05said T Bundy.

01:13:08I started to

01:13:09go towards it.

01:13:10I don't know

01:13:10what compelled

01:13:11me but I

01:13:11wanted to

01:13:12touch it and

01:13:14my mother saw

01:13:15me going towards

01:13:16it and she

01:13:17came over and

01:13:18she snatched it

01:13:19and said don't

01:13:20ever touch that

01:13:20don't ever touch

01:13:21that and she

01:13:22was always such

01:13:23a calm person

01:13:24that that totally

01:13:25upset me and

01:13:26startled me.

01:13:27I didn't know

01:13:27what that meant.

01:13:28I didn't know

01:13:28why.

01:13:29She didn't tell

01:13:29me why.

01:13:33The feeling that

01:13:34you have when

01:13:34you want to

01:13:35protect your

01:13:35child from

01:13:37the evil in

01:13:38the world is

01:13:39so overwhelming.

01:13:42When he was

01:13:43approaching the

01:13:44death penalty

01:13:45and the letters

01:13:46had arrived

01:13:47I had kept

01:13:48her from

01:13:49touching them

01:13:49I didn't want

01:13:50her to know

01:13:50anything about

01:13:51them.

01:13:52She was full

01:13:53of questions

01:13:54but I was

01:13:55unapproachable

01:13:56when it came

01:13:56to talking

01:13:57about him.

01:13:59This was the

01:14:00second letter

01:14:00I wrote Ted

01:14:01after I got

01:14:02no response

01:14:02to the first

01:14:03letter I sent

01:14:04him.

01:14:05June 10th

01:14:061986

01:14:07Dear Ted

01:14:08it's important

01:14:09for me to

01:14:10encourage you

01:14:10to make one

01:14:11of the most

01:14:11important decisions

01:14:12of your life.

01:14:13Ted you have

01:14:14a date with

01:14:15the executioner.

01:14:16You are going

01:14:17to die

01:14:18but one thing

01:14:19you can do

01:14:20is tell people

01:14:20why you did it.

01:14:22Tell people

01:14:23Ted why you

01:14:25murdered their

01:14:25daughters

01:14:26and where

01:14:27you left

01:14:27their bodies.

01:14:31I was hoping

01:14:32I would have

01:14:33some influence

01:14:33on him.

01:14:35Maybe this

01:14:35would get him

01:14:36media coverage

01:14:37which he

01:14:37seemed to

01:14:37love but

01:14:38it certainly

01:14:41would make

01:14:41a difference

01:14:42to the

01:14:42families if

01:14:44he would

01:14:45come clean

01:14:47and tell

01:14:48where he

01:14:48left their

01:14:49loved ones

01:14:49and say

01:14:50why.

01:14:52They're really

01:14:53emotional letters

01:14:54you know she's

01:14:55telling him

01:14:56I loved you

01:14:56like a brother

01:14:57you know how

01:14:58could you do

01:14:59something like

01:14:59this to those

01:15:00women and

01:15:00children.

01:15:03She doesn't

01:15:04get a response

01:15:04for a while

01:15:05in fact she

01:15:05writes him

01:15:06a few times

01:15:07and it

01:15:08isn't until

01:15:09after Ted

01:15:10gets a stay

01:15:11of execution

01:15:12that he

01:15:13finally responds

01:15:14to her

01:15:15and writes

01:15:16back.

01:15:18this is dated

01:15:19November 13th

01:15:201986.

01:15:21Dear Edna,

01:15:23I take full

01:15:24responsibility for

01:15:25all that I have

01:15:26done.

01:15:26I have no problem

01:15:27with that.

01:15:29Yes, and I agree

01:15:30that we must learn

01:15:31from what has

01:15:31occurred in the

01:15:32so-called past.

01:15:33It's essential.

01:15:34The way I see it

01:15:35that's the true

01:15:36value of reviewing

01:15:37the past.

01:15:38To learn from it.

01:15:39To grow.

01:15:40To change.

01:15:40To be transformed.

01:15:43I am not the

01:15:44fond memories

01:15:44you have of

01:15:45your cousin Ted

01:15:46just as you

01:15:47are not my

01:15:48equally fond

01:15:49memories of you.

01:15:50I am just as

01:15:51I am here

01:15:52and now.

01:15:55He never

01:15:56answered my

01:15:57questions.

01:15:57He never owned

01:15:58up to what

01:16:00he had done.

01:16:01In fact,

01:16:03in one point

01:16:04he quotes a

01:16:05section out of

01:16:05the Bible.

01:16:07And this

01:16:08for all those

01:16:09who mourn.

01:16:10let the dead

01:16:11bury the dead

01:16:14for he is not

01:16:15a god of the

01:16:16dead but of

01:16:16the living

01:16:17for all live

01:16:18unto him.

01:16:20That's pretty

01:16:21callous.

01:16:22But to me

01:16:23what it shows

01:16:23is this

01:16:24inability of

01:16:25his to

01:16:27cope with

01:16:28the things

01:16:29that he'd

01:16:30done in the

01:16:30past.

01:16:31He very

01:16:32successfully

01:16:33built this

01:16:33wall between

01:16:34his public

01:16:35persona and

01:16:37what he calls

01:16:37this narrow

01:16:38sliver.

01:16:39you know

01:16:39of his

01:16:40personality

01:16:40which is

01:16:41the one

01:16:41who did

01:16:42all of

01:16:42these

01:16:42horrible

01:16:43things.

01:16:43And this

01:16:44wall is

01:16:45so important

01:16:46to him

01:16:47because it's

01:16:47the way

01:16:48that he

01:16:48continues to

01:16:49live his

01:16:49life.

01:16:50I have no

01:16:51guilt,

01:16:52remorse,

01:16:52or regret

01:16:53over anything

01:16:54I've done.

01:16:55What's done

01:16:56is done.

01:16:57Watch yourself,

01:16:59quiet yourself,

01:17:01love yourself,

01:17:02and there's

01:17:02nothing you

01:17:03will not know.

01:17:07even now

01:17:08as I read

01:17:09it,

01:17:09I just

01:17:10scoff at

01:17:11it.

01:17:12It just

01:17:14amazes me

01:17:15that anybody

01:17:15can be

01:17:17that cavalier

01:17:18about what

01:17:18they've done.

01:17:20He says

01:17:21that he has

01:17:21no regrets,

01:17:23none at all.

01:17:24You don't

01:17:25regret anything?

01:17:26All of us

01:17:27have regrets.

01:17:28You have

01:17:28none?

01:17:35Ted's

01:17:36putting it

01:17:36back on

01:17:37her

01:17:37that you

01:17:38don't

01:17:39understand,

01:17:40and you're

01:17:41part of the

01:17:41problem.

01:17:42He was not

01:17:43thinking that

01:17:44Edna would

01:17:44be suffering

01:17:45in any way

01:17:47from his

01:17:48situation.

01:17:49It was

01:17:50about Ted.

01:17:52We exchanged

01:17:54about six,

01:17:55seven letters.

01:17:57Our correspondence

01:17:58ended with

01:17:59the Christmas

01:17:59card that

01:18:00he sent

01:18:00me.

01:18:01Dear Edna

01:18:02and Don,

01:18:03much has

01:18:03happened over

01:18:04the years

01:18:04to separate

01:18:05us,

01:18:05but that

01:18:06does not

01:18:06affect the

01:18:07love I

01:18:07have for

01:18:07you.

01:18:08Have a

01:18:09great

01:18:09Christmas.

01:18:10Peace.

01:18:11Ted.

01:18:14I did

01:18:15not follow

01:18:15up.

01:18:16At that

01:18:17point,

01:18:18I just

01:18:18couldn't

01:18:18write him

01:18:19anymore.

01:18:21You know,

01:18:22I thought

01:18:22maybe that

01:18:23affectionate

01:18:24relationship

01:18:25we had

01:18:25as big

01:18:26cousin,

01:18:26little

01:18:27cousin,

01:18:27would

01:18:28count for

01:18:29something.

01:18:30But he

01:18:31was too

01:18:32used to

01:18:33avoiding

01:18:34the truth.

01:18:35It wasn't

01:18:36until the

01:18:36last hours

01:18:38before his

01:18:39death that

01:18:39he finally

01:18:40started

01:18:41confessing.

01:18:45come here

01:18:45at Florida

01:18:46State Prison

01:18:47with Mr.

01:18:48Ted

01:18:48by

01:18:48D.

01:18:50Hard to

01:18:50know

01:18:51where to

01:18:52begin.

01:18:54Well,

01:18:55you've been

01:18:55involved in

01:18:56how many

01:18:57homicides?

01:19:00Well,

01:19:00that's a big

01:19:01question.

01:19:09How many

01:19:11homicides?

01:19:12We came

01:19:13up with

01:19:1430.

01:19:15California,

01:19:17Oregon,

01:19:17Washington,

01:19:18Idaho,

01:19:20Utah,

01:19:21Colorado,

01:19:22and Florida

01:19:23between

01:19:251973

01:19:26and

01:19:281978.

01:19:30in a couple

01:19:31of the

01:19:32cases,

01:19:33you opted

01:19:34to sever

01:19:34the heads

01:19:35from the

01:19:35victims.

01:19:36How many

01:19:36were that

01:19:37do you

01:19:37call?

01:19:38Of 30?

01:19:39Perhaps half

01:19:40it does.

01:19:45It was

01:19:46obvious

01:19:46that he

01:19:48was holding

01:19:48out for

01:19:49the last

01:19:49possible

01:19:50moment to

01:19:50see if he

01:19:51would get

01:19:51a stay

01:19:51of execution

01:19:52and that

01:19:53was his

01:19:53leverage

01:19:54confessing

01:19:55to these

01:19:55murders.

01:19:56But the

01:19:57show was

01:19:57over.

01:19:58He no

01:19:59longer had

01:20:00control of

01:20:01the situation.

01:20:02He played

01:20:03us to the

01:20:04very end.

01:20:06This

01:20:07morning,

01:20:08just after

01:20:08sunrise,

01:20:09the man

01:20:09suspected of

01:20:10brutally

01:20:10killing 36

01:20:11women met

01:20:12the long,

01:20:13drawn-out

01:20:13demands of

01:20:14justice.

01:20:18Ted's

01:20:19final words

01:20:19when he

01:20:20was on his

01:20:21way to the

01:20:22execution

01:20:22chamber

01:20:23would give

01:20:24my love

01:20:24to my

01:20:25family and

01:20:26my friends.

01:20:28And that

01:20:29was it.

01:20:29When I

01:20:30heard that,

01:20:31it was just,

01:20:36it was,

01:20:37it was a

01:20:39very difficult

01:20:39moment.

01:20:43You know,

01:20:43just,

01:20:44just,

01:20:44I was very

01:20:45sad about

01:20:46how this

01:20:46person who

01:20:47had so much

01:20:48potential

01:20:50completely went

01:20:51off the rails

01:20:52house.

01:20:55He got

01:20:55executed very

01:20:57early in the

01:20:57morning on

01:20:58West Coast

01:20:58time.

01:20:59And I

01:21:00couldn't watch

01:21:01it.

01:21:01So I went

01:21:03down and

01:21:03walked along

01:21:04the beach

01:21:05and just sat

01:21:06on a rock

01:21:08and thought

01:21:09about how

01:21:10good life

01:21:11really is.

01:21:13And I

01:21:13thought,

01:21:13okay,

01:21:14it's done.

01:21:15Now we

01:21:15can put him

01:21:16behind us

01:21:17and move

01:21:18forward.

01:21:19But it's a

01:21:20lot simpler

01:21:20to say that

01:21:21than to do

01:21:22it.

01:21:24He kept

01:21:25surfacing

01:21:26throughout my

01:21:26life.

01:21:27It was

01:21:27unavoidable

01:21:28because he's

01:21:28an icon

01:21:29of sorts,

01:21:32you know,

01:21:32a touch

01:21:33point.

01:21:35It wasn't

01:21:36really until

01:21:37we were taking

01:21:38a walk

01:21:39during COVID

01:21:40that my

01:21:41mom said,

01:21:42I think I

01:21:42have to tell

01:21:43my story.

01:21:44He's been

01:21:44controlling me

01:21:45from the

01:21:46grave.

01:21:50and I

01:21:50said,

01:21:51how can I

01:21:51help?

01:21:52She said,

01:21:53well, I

01:21:53don't know

01:21:53what to

01:21:53do.

01:21:54How do

01:21:54we tell

01:21:54this story?

01:21:56I decided

01:21:57to start

01:21:57off by

01:21:58writing a

01:21:58book about

01:21:59it and

01:22:00by extension

01:22:01doing this

01:22:02documentary

01:22:03because I

01:22:03thought I

01:22:04had something

01:22:04to share

01:22:06with people

01:22:07about how

01:22:08important it

01:22:09is to

01:22:10talk about

01:22:11things.

01:22:14I kept

01:22:15all that

01:22:16trauma

01:22:16inside of

01:22:17me.

01:22:18I should

01:22:18have gotten

01:22:19professional

01:22:19help.

01:22:20Trauma needs

01:22:21to be

01:22:22released and

01:22:23that is one

01:22:25of the big

01:22:25lessons that

01:22:26I've learned

01:22:26is how

01:22:27damaging it

01:22:28can be if

01:22:29you don't

01:22:29get it out

01:22:29of your

01:22:30system.

01:22:32The courage

01:22:34it's taken

01:22:34for her

01:22:36to face

01:22:36this was

01:22:38so moving

01:22:40and impressive

01:22:40to me.

01:22:41And I've

01:22:42now seen

01:22:43how much

01:22:43it's cleansed

01:22:45her, how

01:22:45she's been

01:22:46able to let

01:22:46go of the

01:22:47power he has

01:22:48had over her

01:22:49and now it's

01:22:50like F you

01:22:51to him.

01:22:52She's really

01:22:53been able to

01:22:54let it go.

01:23:01Recently I

01:23:02had a dream

01:23:03about Ted.

01:23:05We were

01:23:06kids.

01:23:07My brother

01:23:07John, Ted

01:23:08and me were

01:23:09down at the

01:23:10water's edge

01:23:11and we

01:23:11were all

01:23:12running in

01:23:12the water

01:23:13and laughing

01:23:14and splashing

01:23:16each other

01:23:16and it was

01:23:17one of those

01:23:18beautiful days

01:23:19where the water

01:23:20just glistened

01:23:21and then Ted

01:23:23became very

01:23:24intent on

01:23:25finding something

01:23:26in particular

01:23:28and pretty

01:23:29soon John

01:23:30says, oh I

01:23:31think he's

01:23:31looking for a

01:23:32stone.

01:23:32So we start

01:23:33looking at the

01:23:34stones and

01:23:35saying, well is

01:23:37this the right

01:23:37stone or is

01:23:38that the right

01:23:39stone?

01:23:41As we're

01:23:41searching the

01:23:42tide is coming

01:23:43in and it's

01:23:45splashing at

01:23:45our feet and

01:23:47so we feel a

01:23:47sense of urgency

01:23:48and we know

01:23:49that the time

01:23:50is running out.

01:23:52Finally, John

01:23:53stops and he

01:23:54looks at me and

01:23:55he says, oh I

01:23:56know what stone

01:23:57it is.

01:23:59It's his headstone.

01:24:04And then I

01:24:05woke up.

01:24:08And the more I

01:24:09thought about it

01:24:10I thought, okay

01:24:12we're putting

01:24:13Ted to rest.

01:24:14This is it.

01:24:15Ted is dead.

01:24:17And I've never

01:24:19dreamt about him

01:24:20again.

01:24:23Dear Edna,

01:24:26The first and

01:24:28most important

01:24:28thing we can do

01:24:29for someone is

01:24:30to love them

01:24:31unconditionally.

01:24:35I love you not

01:24:36because of the

01:24:37good memories or

01:24:38despite the bad

01:24:39but because you

01:24:40are you.

01:24:43I hope that

01:24:44someday you can

01:24:45feel the same

01:24:46way toward me.

01:24:48There is a

01:24:49way.

01:24:52And the light

01:24:53of love reveals

01:24:53it to us.

01:24:55Be good.

01:24:56I love you.

01:24:58Ted.

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