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Predator Files - Season 1 Episode 17 - The Grandfather
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00:18On this episode of Predator Files...
00:21Oh my god! Shed, the grandfather, let's go!
00:24A predator pursues our decoy, Summer.
00:27Lift your hair.
00:29And he's unlike anyone we've ever encountered.
00:32Who are these kids?
00:33That's his granddaughter.
00:35He looks like a sweet grandpa.
00:37Are your grandkids home?
00:39They're in their house.
00:40Do they have a name for you? What do they call you?
00:42They just call me Paw Paw.
00:44What should I call you?
00:46Paw Paw.
00:48Even when his identity is revealed...
00:50Look! That's him!
00:52...nothing prepares the team for the shock...
00:55Oh my god!
00:56...of who he turns out to be.
00:58He is at work right now.
01:00Here?
01:01Yes.
01:02Inside, right now.
01:03Oh my god.
01:06I created SOSA, a non-profit aimed at keeping kids safe from online sex abuse and human trafficking.
01:12Multiple times a year, my team and I conduct undercover operations.
01:16Get out of your vehicle!
01:17Yeah!
01:18Let me see your hands!
01:19Partnering with law enforcement, we identify and arrest the world's most dangerous perpetrators of sex abuse.
01:25What's going on?
01:26Yeah!
01:26Gunpoint, Melanie.
01:28South prosecution.
01:32These are the Predator files.
01:38In 48 hours, some of us will be home, which means we do not have a lot of time.
01:43We're approaching the end of the operation, but I don't want us flagging.
01:47I want us to go strong to the end.
01:49There are plenty of people communicating with our decoys.
01:53It's Friday night, and while our team receives a multitude of messages, Max Decoy Summer is contacted by a much
02:01older man.
02:02His initial messages are benign, but still, he's a cause for concern.
02:08Uh, Yasmin, do you want to take a look at this?
02:11So, um, I'm talking with this much older guy.
02:15He hasn't given us an exact age, but he's gotta be in his 60s.
02:20He's bald, gray mustache, lives with his wife.
02:26Oh, he mentioned he has three kids, um, and that they have grandkids.
02:30Oh, my God.
02:32He looks like a sweet grandpa.
02:40After a few exchanges, the grandfather dispenses of the pleasantries and begins his all-out assault on summer.
02:49A man in his 60s, his abuse of a 15-year-old girl is unrelenting.
02:59At this point, I think he needs to move up on our priority list.
03:03I agree. We should tell Rue.
03:04Yeah.
03:07The grandfather is dangerous.
03:11Already, his messages with our 15-year-old decoy show the markings of serial behavior.
03:17And then, he provides an odd detail.
03:21In efforts to hide his conversation with Summer, the grandfather has a shed in his backyard,
03:27where apparently he has clandestine conversations with young women.
03:30What are you doing?
03:35Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
03:36Don't need to.
03:38Okay.
03:39Ready, and go.
03:45Hey.
03:46How you doing?
03:47Pretty good.
03:48How about you?
03:50Not bad.
03:52Ah, the shed.
03:56Nice.
03:57Oh, cool.
03:57Wait, is that a motorcycle?
03:59Yes.
04:00Stop.
04:01That's so cool.
04:03Can I see it?
04:06Wow.
04:06That's huge.
04:08How's it?
04:08Here it is.
04:10I like it.
04:12I love your hair.
04:15Isn't it so cute?
04:16I did it this morning.
04:17I put little ribbons in it too.
04:18It's fun.
04:20It is cute.
04:23Nice.
04:25Out of nowhere, the grandfather props up his head.
04:28phone and reveals an erection.
04:31The grandfather begins to masturbate in front of Summer.
04:36Oh my gosh.
04:38It's difficult, but Mac plays along with the grandfather's expectations of her.
04:43Oh my gosh.
04:44This is abuse, but all Mac can do for the moment is react in the way the grandfather wants
04:49her to.
04:50Our goal, as always, is to gain his trust so we can get his identity.
04:58You like that?
05:01With the grandfather clearly single-minded, we decide to take the opportunity to gain
05:06intel and to keep him from achieving his desired goal.
05:15Where's your wife?
05:18In the house.
05:20What do you think she's doing?
05:23Watching TV.
05:24Oh, nice.
05:28Wow.
05:31Are your kids home?
05:34No.
05:35Uh, grandkids?
05:38No.
05:40Where are they?
05:43Oh, they're at their house.
05:47Undeterred, the grandfather simply will not stop.
05:52But neither will we.
05:55Are they old?
05:55How old are they?
05:59Very young.
06:01Like five and six.
06:04Not only is the grandfather not forthcoming, but there seems to be almost nothing that
06:10will break his goal of abusing a 15 year old girl.
06:14Do they have a name for you?
06:15What do they call you?
06:18Can you just call me Popo?
06:20What should I call you?
06:23You can call me anything you like.
06:26Well, what would you like?
06:29Popo.
06:33Summer Lynn, are you home?
06:34Sorry, one second.
06:35Sorry.
06:36What are you doing?
06:38We don't need to see him jizz.
06:39That's...
06:40No, yeah.
06:48None of these guys.
06:50What's the problem with ACM Zero this old is they don't have a lot of social media.
06:56I think what we need to do is have them active, all the different platforms.
07:01Predictably, the grandfather's online presence is minimal.
07:05But we decide to reach out to him on more traditional platforms.
07:10And he takes the bait.
07:12I think I have a surname.
07:13I think I have a surname.
07:14Take that back.
07:15Take that back.
07:15Oh my god.
07:16And he just texted a snap.
07:18A break.
07:19The grandfather sends us a Snapchat message linked to a surname.
07:23Alright, let's get into him.
07:24Well, this new name doesn't lead directly to the grandfather.
07:27I think this just tells us that he doesn't have a LinkedIn image.
07:30It does give us a potential new lead.
07:33Oh.
07:35I got his wife's name.
07:40I'm gonna look her up on Facebook.
07:43Why does the address that is linked to him come up as Domestic Crisis Center?
07:49National Correctional Officers Week.
07:54What?
07:55His wife works at a correctional center.
07:59A correctional center.
08:01With direct access to an employee of a maximum security prison in Oklahoma.
08:06Is this how the grandfather learned to evade the law?
08:13Look.
08:14That's him.
08:19Who are these kids?
08:21Is that his granddaughter?
08:22That's his granddaughter.
08:23That was four, five years ago.
08:27Uh.
08:28She's gotta be what, 13 now?
08:32Rue.
08:33They are not safe for this man.
08:37Messages flood in from the grandfather.
08:41He becomes aggressive.
08:44Obsessive.
08:45And clearly is just beginning his pattern.
08:48Of abuse.
08:54The grandfather sends a video of himself masturbating.
08:58To a 15 year old girl.
09:02The sheriff's office expedites his arrest.
09:04We are driving to get the grandfather and we're going up early.
09:08This morning at around 6am, I get a message from the grandfather.
09:11He is, you know, masturbating.
09:13He is self gratifying.
09:14He also mentions that he's going to work.
09:17And I ask what time he gets out.
09:18And he gets out at 4.
09:19So that really changes our game plan for the day.
09:22So we're sort of preparing to, you know, be at his house.
09:26Doing recon.
09:27Ready for him to approach.
09:29That's enough time for us to go there.
09:31Talk to the local PD.
09:33Kind of get set up at his house.
09:34Wait for him to come home.
09:36And, you know, hopefully take him out in the driveway.
09:43So right now we are headed up to a town northwest of Canadian County.
09:47I do currently have a felony arrest warrant for him.
09:51For the Ludax with a minor.
09:53What's the over under of him having?
09:55Weapons. Oh, hi.
09:56Especially in that shed?
09:57And even especially in the part of Oklahoma that we're headed to.
10:01It's very high possibility that there are multiple weapons inside the residence.
10:12Got to talk to the sheriff first.
10:15Lieutenant Cates heads inside.
10:17While CCSO has statewide jurisdiction.
10:21It's common courtesy to let local law enforcement know when an arrest is taking place in their county.
10:34Hold on.
10:36You gotta get out of here.
10:37For a minute.
10:41I'll explain.
10:46Okay.
10:48Visibly distraught, Lieutenant Cates takes us to an adjacent parking lot.
10:52With a shocking update.
10:56So he doesn't work for Woodward County.
10:59He works actually for the sheriff's office.
11:02He is a detention officer at work right now.
11:05Here.
11:05Yes.
11:06Inside.
11:07Right now.
11:12Was talking to their deputies and the sheriff and realized that he was actually a sheriff's office employee who is
11:21currently at work in their jail.
11:24Here.
11:24In the jail.
11:26Oh, my God.
11:28Of course, this changes everything.
11:30I no longer have to try to find him.
11:33I know exactly where he's at.
11:34So now we're waiting on the sheriff.
11:36Okay.
11:36To show back up.
11:38Because it is.
11:38Were they shocked?
11:38His employees.
11:39Oh, very.
11:40God.
11:41When I told them I thought it was a district employee.
11:45And then actually told them the name.
11:48Both of their faces.
11:50Oh, my God.
11:51I saw it.
11:51And they both knew exactly who I was talking about.
11:55Not only do they know who he is.
11:57But this ACM is currently in the building.
12:00Not only is he currently in the building.
12:02He's working in the building because he works for their jail.
12:05He had just messaged our decoy 90 minutes prior.
12:09Like, he's messaging Summer from the jail where he works.
12:12And here's the thing, too.
12:14Like, he's an officer.
12:15He's around people who are breaking the law.
12:18Like, this guy, if anyone knows better, this guy knows better.
12:23Our camera will stay in the car.
12:25While Lieutenant Cates heads back into the jail.
12:28To arrest one of their employees.
12:32Hey, .
12:33Hey, yes, sir.
12:35Um, this is Lieutenant Cates with the Canadian County Sheriff's Office.
12:38Yes, sir?
12:38We'd like to talk to you for just a second.
12:41Okay.
12:44Go ahead and turn around for me.
12:47Okay.
12:47Put your hands behind your back.
12:51I have a felony arrest warrant for you.
12:54For Ludax with a minor.
12:56For the conversation you've been carrying on with my 14-year-old Summer.
13:01What?
13:01Don't let me.
13:03Okay?
13:03I have all the videos.
13:05I have everything recorded.
13:07Um, including your masturbation videos.
13:13Do you have anything to say to your sheriff before I walk you out?
13:21Uh, I don't think there's anything I can say.
13:26Yeah, I don't think so either.
13:27Okay.
13:28Let's go.
13:34I'm gonna go walk right over here to my white truck first.
13:37The sheriff and his entire staff worked with us great.
13:42And being able to take our ACM, the grandfather, into custody.
13:47Without incident, he did give me permission to secure his cell phone device from his vehicle.
13:53Okay.
13:56You can't judge an entire department off of the actions of one.
13:59It doesn't matter if it's law enforcement, if it's bankers, if it's whoever.
14:05You're always gonna have a bad seed somewhere.
14:09Shockingly, it turns out the grandfather is familiar with our show.
14:13And even knows my name.
14:16Is it real?
14:19I am Lieutenant Cates with the Canadian County Sheriff's Office.
14:22Yes, sir.
14:22I am the internet crimes against children's investigator for Canadian County.
14:26You have the right to remain silent.
14:28Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.
14:30You have a right to talk to a lawyer and have them present with you while you're being questioned.
14:34If you decide to make a statement, you may stop at any time.
14:37Do you understand each of these rights I have explained to you?
14:39Yes, sir.
14:40If you have any of these rights in mind, you want to talk to me now?
14:44Yeah, I'll talk to you.
14:46Okay.
14:47What did you do for employment?
14:50Nothing, no.
14:52Well, what did you do?
14:53I worked at the Woodward County Jail.
14:55Okay.
14:56And what did you do for them?
14:58I was a jailer.
14:59Okay.
15:00And how long have you done that?
15:03Three, four years.
15:04Okay.
15:09So tell me about July of this year.
15:13You started a conversation with someone.
15:17Yes, sir.
15:18And how old did she tell you she was?
15:21I do not remember.
15:22Okay.
15:23But under the age of 18, do you remember that?
15:26No.
15:28Listen to me, okay?
15:29Yes, sir.
15:31I have everything, okay?
15:32I have y'all's full conversations.
15:34Okay.
15:34So the more honest you are with me now, the better it will be.
15:38Okay.
15:39So, let's try it again.
15:41How old did she tell you she was?
15:43Honestly, I do.
15:44Okay.
15:45But under the age of 18, do you remember that part?
15:47I think so, yes, sir.
15:48Okay.
15:49Do you remember her name?
15:51No.
15:51Okay.
15:52What about Summer?
15:55Okay, I remember a summer.
15:57Okay.
15:57I didn't think it was real.
16:01Why did you not think it was real?
16:03I thought I was on a, you know, a safer app.
16:06You know, somebody that kids couldn't get on.
16:09The grandfather is using the tried and true excuse of most predators.
16:13It was all pretend.
16:15Which app was it?
16:17Kickup thing.
16:19Okay.
16:19So, you saw her profile and you saw that there was a girl there who was underage, but yet you
16:28still thought it wasn't real.
16:30I just, I just, I guess I convinced myself that there's no way that this could be real.
16:38It's just somebody pretending to be under 18.
16:42Okay.
16:42Okay.
16:43Um, does your wife know about your conversations?
16:48No.
16:49And how does she not know about it?
16:52Where would you conduct them at?
16:56Uh, out in your shed, next to your motorcycle.
17:05Remember when I say I have everything, I have everything.
17:08Okay.
17:08Yeah.
17:09When's the last time you talked to somebody?
17:17This morning.
17:19Okay.
17:20So, tell me about the masturbation video that you sent her this morning of you on your bed.
17:29I don't like what, I, okay, yeah.
17:31So, you did send that to her, right?
17:32Yes, sir.
17:33Okay.
17:33This morning.
17:34Yes, sir.
17:34At about 6, before you came to work.
17:37Okay.
17:39So, you see why we're here?
17:41Yes, sir.
17:42Okay.
17:42So, as I told you, I am going to show you now that I do have a felony warrant for
17:49your arrest,
17:51for Ludax with a minor, for carrying on a conversation with what you believe to be a 15-year-old
17:58female.
18:01Let me tell you what's going to happen.
18:02Okay.
18:05You're going to do a full forensic of your phone.
18:07Okay.
18:09How much am I going to find on your phone stored?
18:14Well, you're going to find a lot, but it's not the only person I was talking to.
18:21Right.
18:21So, were you talking to other underage girls?
18:25God, I hope not.
18:27I mean, as far as I know, that was the only one.
18:31Do you have any questions of me before we get going?
18:34So, where are we going?
18:36To Canadian County.
18:37That's down on the west side of Oklahoma City.
18:40Holy fuck.
18:41When you were talking to her when she was in Yukon,
18:45and you wouldn't drive down because you couldn't get away from your wife?
18:49Do you have kids?
18:50Yes, sir.
18:51Do you have grandkids?
18:52Yes, sir.
18:52How old are they?
18:5411, 12.
18:55Okay.
18:56So, how would you feel about a 30, 40, 50, 60-year-old male carrying on the conversation with her
19:00that you carried on with this 15-year-old,
19:03and sending her videos of himself masturbating?
19:07I would appreciate it.
19:09Exactly.
19:10Goddamn.
19:11I really didn't believe she was.
19:15At no time did she ever give you any inclination that she was not that age.
19:20She told you repeatedly.
19:25And she also gave you some outs to stop the conversation, and you didn't take those either.
19:30You carried on.
19:32Up to even this morning, sending her another video.
19:39Imagine that being your granddaughter.
19:43And that guy doing that to her.
19:48So you see why I take this so serious?
19:51And why I'm here.
19:52All the way up here.
19:53Yeah.
19:54Yeah.
19:56Yeah.
19:58What do you think your wife's gonna think?
20:02Yeah.
20:03Hmm.
20:04Yeah.
20:05I'm, I'm pretty sure.
20:06Definitely gonna bid divorce.
20:10Okay.
20:11I'm certain of that.
20:14Stop it in the recording, exiting my vehicle.
20:19No.
20:20No.
20:21No.
20:27This was a good arrest because you know, I feel like guys like the grandfather have been
20:35really enjoying, from the privacy of their own homes, from the privacy of their own, own
20:39phones harming kids online.
20:42Guys like the grandfather do what they do for years unchecked.
20:48I'm not putting my hands on a kid.
20:52I'm not putting my hands on a kid, but it is abusive.
20:54It is incredibly harmful.
20:56We see that with survivors, with victims of sex abuse,
21:00whether that's online or hands-on.
21:02Online sex abuse is still real sex abuse.
21:13You know, I'm glad we got him, and this guy has been hounding somewhere,
21:17just constantly messaging her.
21:19Tonight, that phone's going to be quiet.
21:21Tomorrow morning, that phone's going to be quiet, and we're glad for that.
21:47And the woman's voice is still real sex.
21:54Only what they do is angry when people call a parent.
21:57No, no, no, no.
22:02I'll be right back.
22:02No, no!ack
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