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00:01The perfect murder, the unsolvable crime, does it really exist?
00:07In the TV First, we reveal the cutting-edge technology now used by British police to join the dots
00:15and reveal new evidence in all homicide investigations.
00:19I'm Tim Tate. I've been an investigative journalist for almost 50 years.
00:26I'm Sam Robbins, and I'm a criminal intelligence analyst.
00:30For over 20 years, I've worked alongside detectives on major murder investigations.
00:34Together, in this new series, we are going to discover the fatal mistakes
00:39which prevented the perfect murder from ever being committed.
01:17A few cases in recent criminal history have attracted as much argument and controversy
01:26as the multiple murders in a beautiful Essex farmhouse in August 1985.
01:32The murders of the Bamber family must rank as one of the most horrific crimes in British criminal history.
01:42This was a tremendously tragic event, and it just wasn't given the time or attention that it should have been.
01:52For 40 years, Jeremy Bamber, the man convicted of murdering his parents, his sister, and her two young sons,
02:00has protested his innocence.
02:04He has pushed for numerous reviews.
02:08He has pushed for appeals.
02:09He has quite a following in terms of those who also think that he's innocent.
02:16All have been rejected, and with good reason,
02:20because although the evidence shows that the police mishandled the crime scene
02:26and committed a series of errors,
02:29it also shows clearly that Jeremy Bamber set out to murder his family
02:39to inherit their substantial wealth,
02:43and then to blame it on his sister.
02:49He had planned, and he carried out what he believed would be the perfect murder.
03:03The White House farm murders.
03:06What sort of family were the Bambas?
03:10So the Bambas were essentially a farming family in a semi-rural location.
03:17Well-thought-of family.
03:19They provided employment for local people.
03:22They had a successful farm and also shares in a caravan park as well, which they ran.
03:27The family in 1985 consisted of Neville and June Bamber, who were the parents.
03:34Neville was, as well as being a farmer, was a local magistrate.
03:39And June was a pillar of the community in terms of she was very involved in the church,
03:45a very religious lady, and well-thought-of in the community.
03:49And they had a close family also living nearby.
03:52They adopted two children, Sheila and Jeremy.
03:56They were grown-up children, and Neville and June provided very well for them.
04:03So Sheila was put up in a flat in London where she'd been modelling,
04:08and Jeremy had returned home from travels and was supplied with a house in the local village and a car.
04:16And so they took care of their children in terms of lifestyle,
04:20but obviously expected them to work.
04:22You know, they were from a working family, and that was very important to them.
04:28White House Farm is a Georgian-style farmhouse.
04:32It's set in 300 acres of farmland in the village of Tolles Hunt Darcy,
04:39in the Maldron district of Essex.
04:42Originally, the farm, in fact, was owned by June's father,
04:46who, if she inherited the farm, it was passed on to Neville and June,
04:50and they worked the farm virtually all of their married life.
04:54Neville and June adopted Sheila.
04:57Four years later, they adopted Jeremy.
05:00They were a very wealthy family.
05:02They owned a flat in London,
05:04a cottage in the village about three or four miles from White House Farm,
05:08and indeed part of the caravan site
05:11a few miles further down the road towards the coast.
05:15So there was a great deal of financial assets within the family.
05:20That farm was due to be inherited by the two children, Sheila and Jeremy.
05:26Jeremy was described as having quite a fractious relationship with his parents.
05:31His dad was very disappointed that he didn't do very well academically through school.
05:37He went to a private school, and he left with no qualifications initially,
05:43and then his father paid for him to go to Australia and New Zealand,
05:48and then when he'd come back, he worked on the farm.
05:54So two beautiful children, you have Sheila, who's a model,
05:57and Sheila was known as Bambi.
05:59That was her nickname on the modelling circuit.
06:01So she's beautiful, he's good-looking, they're wealthy.
06:06Yep.
06:07Everything's going for them, isn't it?
06:08Yes, what appears to be an idyllic lifestyle.
06:12Well, but appearances can be deceptive,
06:15because behind the scenes, it wasn't like that.
06:18No, all was not well, and as is quite often the case,
06:23when a serious incident or a murder happens,
06:27you start to look at the backgrounds of the individuals involved.
06:31So whilst the portrayal to the outside world was all was well,
06:37inside, within the family, there was a fair amount of turmoil going on.
06:46In 1977, Sheila met and married a man called Colin Caffell,
06:52and two years later, she gave birth to their twin sons, Daniel and Nicholas.
07:01But her mental health began to decline.
07:09Sheila suffered with quite significant mental health problems.
07:13She was diagnosed with schizophrenia,
07:15and she had been an inpatient in different psychiatric facilities as well.
07:21Jeremy was not particularly close to Sheila.
07:24He felt that she received a greater deal of attention than he did.
07:28He resented the attention that she received,
07:32which included her being bought a flat in London,
07:36while Jeremy was made to live in a cottage closer to the farm in the small village.
07:41So I think that really created tension between the siblings.
07:46Nor was Jeremy's seemingly idyllic life any less troubled.
07:50His international adventures included stealing from high-end jewellery shops
07:56and attempting to traffic in heroin.
08:01He bragged, in fact, that he had been responsible for smuggling drugs out of New Zealand.
08:08Heroin, in fact.
08:10He worked for a short while on the farm before getting, again,
08:14some low-paid jobs working in bars and restaurants.
08:17And that's where he met his girlfriend, Julie Mugford, in 1983.
08:25Julie was a single girl, 19 years of age.
08:28And they struck up a relationship, and they became quite close.
08:34All of their friends at the time said that Julie was much more committed
08:39to this relationship than Jeremy was.
08:41And I do wonder if Julie saw themselves as a bit of a Bonnie and Clyde-type partnership.
08:48Jeremy did confide in Julie that he basically detested his parents.
08:55He expressed hatred for Sheila and, indeed, even for the twins.
09:01And the reason for this hatred was he didn't want to share the inheritance with Sheila.
09:06He felt that the inheritance, the farm, and all that went with it,
09:10should be his and his alone.
09:14When does this resentment first show itself?
09:18Jeremy and his want for the best things in life and his entitled lifestyle
09:24starts to play out in March of 1985,
09:28where he realised that cash is kept in the offices at the caravan park
09:34that the Bamba family have a share in.
09:36It's a family-owned park with other members of the family.
09:40He planned to rob the office during night time
09:44when he knows that no-one's going to be in there.
09:47And he gets away with cash?
09:48He does, yeah.
09:49£980, which is about...
09:51It would have been about £3,000 today.
09:54Shortly after that, he starts telling farmhands
09:59that he's going to get his hands on his inheritance sooner rather than later.
10:03Yeah, he very much feels that wealth in the family
10:07isn't being divided up as he wants it to be.
10:11And it's his inheritance, he's entitled to it,
10:14and he's going to get hold of it.
10:16So I think the plan was really for him and Julie
10:20to ride off into the sunset with an inheritance
10:24that he thought that he was entitled to.
10:28So Bamba apparently had made remarks about killing his family previously,
10:33and this is something that he certainly thought about,
10:36and it's not necessarily an unusual thing for people to do
10:40when they're thinking of an inheritance.
10:43But there's a big difference between the fantasy and the reality,
10:46but it certainly seems it was something that he thought about for some time,
10:49and then, you know, as we see with lots of people who go on to kill,
10:53is that those fantasies then start to take on a life of their own
10:56until they actually do materialise.
11:01Cases of patricide are quite rare.
11:04The actual thought of it is relatively inconceivable
11:08in terms of that you're so driven by money and the want of a good life
11:15that you're willing to kill the family that brought you up.
11:21Initially, he told Julie that his plan was to sedate the family,
11:27shoot them, and then set fire to the farm.
11:31He used the term that he was pissed off with them,
11:34and on the evening of the 6th of August 1985,
11:39the evening before the actual murders,
11:41he rang Julie and said that he'd had enough,
11:45that he'd been thinking about the crime all day,
11:47and that it was now or never that it had to be, it had to be tonight.
12:07At the start of August 1985,
12:11Sheila had come down to Essex from London
12:16with her twin sons, Ben, aged 6 years old,
12:20to stay with Neville and June.
12:23That evening, the family had a dinner.
12:28Jeremy Bamber attended that.
12:31He left at 9.30 and went back to his own cottage,
12:36three miles away.
12:42At 3.30 on the morning of August the 7th,
12:46the phone rang in Colchester Police Station.
12:51It was Bamber.
12:55My father's phone from White House Farm,
12:57and he sounded really frightened.
13:00He says, my sister's gone crazy and she's got a gun.
13:05He actually took the time to find the number in the phone book
13:09of the local police station.
13:11Now, why ring the local police station,
13:14not the emergency 999 number?
13:20So he calls the local Nick?
13:21Yes.
13:22And the local Nick sends officers to White House Farm?
13:26They do.
13:27So police begin to make their way to White House Farm.
13:32On the way, obviously, they're going to have
13:35their blues and twos going to get there
13:37as quickly as they possibly can.
13:39They pass Jeremy in his car,
13:41who appears just to be dawdling along to the scene,
13:44which is rather odd behaviour.
13:47So he's dawdling, not rushing to the scene?
13:50No, he's in a car, but they overtake him
13:53to the point where one of the police officers notices
13:55that they've overtaken someone,
13:57and then he pulls up and they realise that it's Jeremy.
14:02What is his attitude and what does he try and tell police?
14:06Everything that I've read about this case,
14:08he's very much trying to direct the narrative at this scene.
14:12So he starts to tell the police
14:17about the fact that Sheila is schizophrenic,
14:21that she knows how to use guns,
14:23that she's used guns before,
14:25that her two young children are in there.
14:27And then there's one point where
14:30he allegedly spots someone at an upstairs window,
14:33to the point where he then gets the police to hide.
14:36They're not armed, so they need to protect themselves
14:38and wait for the armed response to get there.
14:40So he's immediately controlling
14:43what the police are understanding from that scene.
14:47From a very early stage,
14:49everything's being pointed towards Sheila.
14:53The officers who waited with Jeremy
14:56stated that his behaviour swung between
14:59being extremely stressed and concerned
15:02to laughing and joking and talking about a car.
15:06Now, we need to be careful
15:08when we look at expected behaviour of people
15:11in situations, whether that's in tense situations
15:15or in situations of grief.
15:18So we can't pin too much at this point
15:20on his particular behaviour,
15:22because at this point, as far as anyone is aware,
15:25Jeremy didn't know what was happening inside the property.
15:29And it wasn't until 7.45am that morning
15:33before they made the decision to enter the farmhouse.
15:37And the officers broke down the front door
15:41and were basically met with what one could only say
15:45was a scene of absolute carnage and slaughter.
15:51Neville Bamber was found downstairs
15:54with numerous gunshot wounds
15:56and also wounds that looked as though
15:59there'd been some sort of physical struggle as well.
16:03Neville had been shot eight times,
16:05six times to the head and twice to the body.
16:09And a later post-mortem would actually reveal
16:12that in addition to the fatal shotgun wounds,
16:16he had suffered a number of injuries
16:18where he'd been struck obviously with the rifle,
16:20the butt of the rifle and the barrel of the rifle.
16:23Crockery had been knocked over and smashed on the floor,
16:26which included a sugar bowl,
16:28and sugar was spread all over the kitchen floor,
16:31and furniture was knocked over, et cetera.
16:35I think most tragically in this particular case,
16:39Sheila's young boys, Nicholas and Daniel,
16:41were also found dead in their beds
16:43from multiple gunshot wounds.
16:47In the upstairs master bedroom,
16:49lying on the floor near the bed,
16:51was the body of June.
16:53She had been shot seven times.
16:57Near to June, on the floor,
17:00was the body of Sheila.
17:02Sheila had been shot twice,
17:05once to the throat and once near the mouth area,
17:08and a rifle was laying on top of her on her chest
17:12with the barrel pointing up to her throat,
17:15which gave the appearance, if you like,
17:18the appearance that she had shot herself.
17:25There's a problem called confirmation bias, isn't there?
17:28Yes.
17:29What part does confirmation bias play at this specific point?
17:35So the SIO, the senior investigating officer,
17:38is going to go in and make an initial assessment about the scene.
17:42He goes in, and for him, everything's laid out.
17:47So, essentially, it's the sort of crime scene
17:50that you would expect to see with a murder-suicide.
17:53You've got dead members of the family
17:55and someone who seemingly looks to have taken their own life.
18:01That is reinforced by the fact that Jeremy
18:04has been in the ears of the officers.
18:07So you've got that narrative already set up,
18:10and then you go in and you find the scene
18:13that you're expecting to find.
18:16When an experienced, experienced officer
18:18sees a scene like that with that confirmation bias,
18:23what's the danger?
18:24The danger is that you take a single route of investigation
18:29and that you close off all other avenues,
18:32all other avenues of inquiry.
18:35And what you should be looking at
18:37is the mechanics of the scene,
18:40like thinking with clarity and objective overview
18:43to think what has happened here.
18:46Not what you see is to work out what has happened here.
18:50And that is not what happens in this case,
18:53which is a fatal error.
18:57All of the family were shot multiple times.
19:01Sheila is the one who had the least gunshot wounds,
19:04and she had two wounds, both to her head.
19:09It's quite unusual, I think, for people to think,
19:13well, how could she have taken her own life?
19:15How could you shoot yourself in the head twice?
19:18Now, the pathologist at the time did indicate
19:21that the initial shot, which was more around this sort of area,
19:25would not necessarily have proved fatal,
19:28and that she would have been able to, in theory,
19:31shoot herself again.
19:34And the fact that Sheila had schizophrenic episodes
19:38is why they went with the initial verdict of a murder-suicide.
19:45Some officers retrospectively discussed the fact
19:48that they thought the crime scene was quite staged,
19:51that it was almost too perfect.
19:54There were also issues around the fact
19:56that Sheila's family indicated
19:58she didn't know how to use a gun,
20:00and yet the rifle would have had to have been reloaded twice.
20:05But police didn't seem to look that closely.
20:08They certainly didn't preserve the crime scene very well.
20:11Only a few days later,
20:12they were seen burning artefacts such as the mattresses,
20:16you know, which now would be indicated as evidence.
20:19So this was a really arguably botched job
20:24by the police from the very beginning.
20:28A lot of the doubt in this case arises
20:31from the fact that materials and items
20:34that we would have hoped were available for examination
20:37were no longer available for examination
20:40because they'd been destroyed.
20:43And obviously, then,
20:44if we think of an investigation as a jigsaw,
20:48it means that we might start to piece that together,
20:52but there are a large number of those pieces
20:54that are no longer available for examination.
20:57And, of course, when you don't have those answers,
21:00when you can't get those answers,
21:03it naturally attracts uncertainty
21:06about the kind of the picture as a whole.
21:14What's Jeremy Bamber doing?
21:16He, once again, starts to not only control the narrative,
21:21but control any potential evidence.
21:24So he wants to get rid of as much stuff in the house as possible.
21:31And more critically,
21:34he requests that the remains of Sheila
21:38and his mother and father are cremated.
21:40That happens very quickly at the funeral.
21:44He's looking devastated and downtrodden.
21:49And when other witnesses are spoken to,
21:51apparently, the minute that those cameras were taken away,
21:54he was laughing and joking
21:56and making inappropriate comments at the wake
21:58and to the point where people were disgusted
22:01and thought it was odd.
22:03So the whole grieving son and brother and uncle was an act?
22:08Yes.
22:09Yeah.
22:10He acts as if he's just won the lottery, basically.
22:17So when we look at the psychopathology of Bamber,
22:20really, he fits this dark triad pattern very, very closely.
22:23He has these very high psychopathic traits,
22:26the glib superficialness, the ruthlessness,
22:30the lack of empathy.
22:32He also has this very narcissistic personality
22:34in that he doesn't really see anybody else as being important.
22:37And his sister would sometimes have sort of psychiatric episodes
22:42and he would actually get quite jealous of that.
22:44He was jealous of her children
22:46and he saw himself as a very, very important character.
22:49And this final trait, this kind of Machiavellianism,
22:52this kind of ends justify the means,
22:54he didn't really have any point to worry about
22:57in terms of implicating his sister in these crimes.
23:00His sole purpose, really, was to get his hands on the inheritance.
23:05Jeremy was someone who behaved perhaps quite oddly
23:10for somebody who had just lost their entire family.
23:13It may not be what we would expect from someone,
23:17but it doesn't mean that that isn't a normal response for them.
23:20However, his behaviour went perhaps beyond what we would expect
23:26in terms of grief or sorrow, frustration, anger.
23:33He and Julie Mugford flew to Amsterdam
23:36where Bamber bought a substantial quantity of cannabis
23:41and was reported to be in very high spirits indeed.
23:46When he got back,
23:48he tried to sell nude photos
23:52of his deceased sister, Sheila.
23:58In Sheila's early days,
24:00she did some topless modelling
24:02and Jeremy tries to sell
24:06the nude photos of her to the son for £20,000.
24:12That's not the actions of a grieving brother, is it?
24:15It's, it's, it's, it's unbelievable.
24:17I mean, she's been killed in, in the most horrific circumstances
24:21along with her children
24:22and he thinks that's an, an appropriate action to take.
24:28It's, it's, it's honestly staggering.
24:32All of Jeremy's actions raised quite significant suspicion
24:36within his own family
24:37and this was raised to police as well.
24:40Now, retrospectively,
24:41some officers have said
24:43that they also found Jeremy's behaviour
24:45to be quite unusual at the time,
24:48not what they would have expected
24:49or not from their own experience
24:51of giving people such news.
24:54So his behaviour was seen as, as quite unusual
24:58even from experienced police officers.
25:01So Bamber did actually believe
25:03he'd got away with it for a point
25:04and became quite, again, quite sort of arrogant
25:08in his, his lifestyle following the incident.
25:11He did believe that he, he, he, he succeeded
25:14in some respects in the, in pulling off the perfect murder.
25:32At some point,
25:33the Senior Investigating Officer,
25:35the SIO is overruled.
25:37Yes.
25:38And some semblance of sanity begins to return.
25:42Yes.
25:43So, it's, so a new SIO is appointed
25:46and starts to run an, an investigation
25:50with an, with an open mindset,
25:51an open investigative mindset.
25:53However, by that point,
25:56you have gone past what,
25:58what we know is the golden hours of investigation.
26:00Your first 72 hours in the investigation
26:03are the time when you're going to gather
26:05and obtain and secure the best evidence
26:08that you possibly can.
26:10And that time was lost.
26:12And it was catastrophic
26:14in terms of the loss of evidence
26:16for this particular case.
26:17So, when a more forensic mindset
26:20is applied,
26:23what stood out
26:24as the problems with the crime scene?
26:27So, let's start with
26:29Sheila and Neville.
26:32Neville was, um, a, a farming man.
26:35He was six foot four.
26:37He was, uh, a, a giant of a man, apparently.
26:42Sheila's of very slight build.
26:43She was called Bambi for a reason.
26:45She was tiny.
26:46What you've got to ask yourself is,
26:49would a five foot seven slip of a young lady
26:54be able to overpower a six foot four,
27:00well-built man
27:01in order to shoot him not only upstairs,
27:05but also downstairs
27:07and inflict various injuries to him in the kitchen
27:09and then also shoot her own children
27:13and her mother.
27:17Importantly and crucially,
27:18Sheila's feet were perfectly clean.
27:20She was barefoot.
27:21She was in her night clothes
27:22lying on the bedroom floor.
27:24And that was important
27:25because in the kitchen,
27:27when Neville lay across the chair,
27:29a sugar bowl had been smashed
27:30and there was sugar everywhere.
27:32There was nothing whatsoever
27:33on Sheila's feet.
27:35She was, her feet were perfectly clean.
27:37So you have someone
27:39who was allegedly,
27:40according to Jeremy,
27:42uh, massacred the family,
27:44shot all these individuals,
27:46walked through the house,
27:48caused all this carnage
27:49and yet has got nothing,
27:51no residue whatsoever
27:52on hands and feet.
27:55It's also about
27:56the lack of evidence as well.
27:58So when the telephone is examined,
28:00so the phone that he would have had to use
28:02to call Jeremy
28:02has no blood on it
28:04and at that point
28:06he would have been bleeding heavily.
28:08He was shot upstairs
28:09and we know this
28:10because the trail of blood
28:11comes downstairs
28:12and leads into the kitchen
28:14where he's then, um,
28:16assorted again
28:17because there's,
28:18there's blood pattern analysis
28:19in the kitchen
28:20and no blood on the phone.
28:24Now, an important factor
28:26in relation to Sheila's body
28:27was that when they examined her hands,
28:30they were perfectly clean.
28:31There was no sign of any residue,
28:34any dust, any lead
28:35or indeed any grease
28:37and all those things
28:39you would expect
28:39if someone had used
28:40that rifle, that weapon,
28:42that type of residue
28:44you would expect
28:44to find on their hands.
28:46and sort of to,
28:47to confirm that,
28:49if you like,
28:50evidence was given
28:51by the family
28:52that in order to load
28:54the chamber of the rifle,
28:56it held 10 cartridges
28:57and the last cartridge
28:59was extremely difficult
29:00to put into the,
29:02into the chamber
29:02and had to be actually forced in
29:05by whoever was loading the gun
29:06and that sort of action,
29:08if you like,
29:08that act of forcing
29:09in that cartridge
29:10without doubt
29:11would leave some trace,
29:13some residue
29:14on whoever was loading the gun.
29:17So the gun was found
29:19across Sheila's body
29:20and it did not have
29:22a silencer attached to it.
29:24A couple of days later,
29:26the silencer for the gun
29:27was found by a family member
29:29in the gun cupboard.
29:31The chain of evidence
29:32was not followed.
29:34The family member picked it up.
29:36They called the police.
29:37It took the police
29:38a couple of days
29:39to come and collect it.
29:40There was a hair
29:41reported to be
29:42on the silencer at one point,
29:43but that never made it
29:44to the lab.
29:45So there were
29:46a lot of issues
29:47around the,
29:48the sort of chain of evidence
29:49with this silencer.
29:52So the proposition
29:54in this case
29:55was that Sheila Caffell
29:56had murdered her family
29:58and then turned
30:00the gun on herself
30:01and the murder weapon
30:02was an Anschutz rifle.
30:05So that rifle
30:06was found posed
30:07on her body,
30:08but the silencer,
30:10the moderator,
30:11was found
30:12found in a downstairs cupboard.
30:14And when it was examined,
30:17it had on it
30:18backspatter
30:19that had been
30:20sucked into
30:22the inside surface
30:24of the sound moderator.
30:26that illustrates
30:28that it was on the gun
30:31when it was fired.
30:33Now,
30:34if that had been
30:35in place
30:35when she purportedly
30:37shot herself,
30:39then there is
30:40great doubt
30:41as to how
30:42that would have then
30:42ended up
30:43in the cupboard
30:44downstairs.
30:45So that finding
30:46in itself
30:47tells us
30:48that the,
30:49the scenario
30:51that was presented
30:52to the police
30:53by Jeremy Bamber
30:54just didn't add up.
30:58When the silencer
30:59was attached
31:00to the rifle,
31:01as of course
31:01it was during
31:03the killings,
31:04it was too long.
31:05It was impossible
31:06for Sheila
31:07to have placed it
31:08on her chest
31:09and shot herself
31:10in the throat.
31:11She would never
31:12have been able
31:13to reach the trigger,
31:14which is obviously,
31:15he must have realized
31:16that, Jeremy,
31:17and obviously removed
31:18the silencer
31:19and placed it
31:20in the cupboard
31:21after he,
31:21after he had killed
31:23the family.
31:25So how
31:27did it end up
31:28in the gun cabinet?
31:30Had Sheila
31:31shot herself
31:33twice,
31:35the second of which
31:35would have been fatal,
31:37then somehow
31:37come back to life,
31:39stood up,
31:40walked across the room,
31:42neatly stacked,
31:44the silencer
31:44in the gun cabinet,
31:46walked back upstairs,
31:48laid down
31:48and died.
31:49Well,
31:50that is so implausible
31:52has to be risible.
31:56The large part
31:57of forensic evaluation
31:59is considering
32:00the findings
32:01that we do have
32:02in the context
32:04of two alternative
32:06propositions.
32:07One is the allegation,
32:09which is typically
32:09provided by the police,
32:11which is in this case
32:13that Sheila
32:13was involved
32:15in the shooting
32:16of the family members
32:18and the alternative.
32:20And the alternative
32:21is often provided
32:22by the defendant.
32:24And in this case,
32:25the account provided
32:27by the defendant
32:28just simply didn't add up
32:30with the scientific findings
32:31that were available.
32:33And on that basis,
32:34the jury can use
32:36that information
32:37to consider it
32:39in combination
32:40with other information
32:41that they might have
32:42and come to
32:43a conclusion.
32:50Of course,
32:51he'd convinced
32:52the investigating officers
32:54that Sheila
32:55was the perpetrator,
32:57that his sister,
32:58due to her schizophrenia,
33:00had carried out
33:00the killings.
33:01So what turned it then?
33:03What spoiled it?
33:03Well, of course,
33:04again,
33:05this is all down
33:06to him
33:06and his personality
33:08and his arrogance
33:09and not thinking
33:09things through.
33:10You would think,
33:12when you bear in mind
33:13what he had said
33:14previously to Julie McFord
33:16and how she had supported him,
33:18you would think
33:19that he would make
33:20every effort
33:21to keep her on board,
33:23as it were,
33:24to keep her happy,
33:26to make sure
33:26that she loved him
33:28so that she would
33:29never, ever reveal
33:30his secrets.
33:31But what does he do?
33:32All those engaged
33:34to Julie McFord
33:36began seeing other women
33:37and he conducted
33:38an affair
33:39with at least
33:40one other woman
33:42and didn't trouble
33:43to hide it
33:44from McFord.
33:46Inevitably,
33:47that led to rows
33:49and those rows
33:50would lead
33:51to his downfall.
33:53There's that famous saying,
33:55hell hath no fury
33:56like a woman's scorn.
33:58And indeed,
33:59in the case of Julie McFord,
34:01here's a young woman
34:02who,
34:03you're going to leave me,
34:04you're going to go
34:04with other women,
34:06I am going to tell the police
34:07exactly what happened.
34:09And of course,
34:10she had all those,
34:11what we would call
34:12golden nuggets of evidence.
34:14She was aware
34:15he had actually
34:16verbally told her
34:18virtually
34:18exactly what he'd done
34:20and how he'd committed
34:21the murders,
34:21how he planned the murders,
34:23why,
34:24et cetera,
34:25et cetera.
34:29The plain devil's advocate,
34:31this is
34:32a woman scorned.
34:34It's a massive issue
34:36for the police.
34:37So on one hand,
34:38you've got
34:39a woman giving you
34:40critical information
34:41about someone
34:43plotting
34:43to murder
34:44their family
34:45and the actions
34:46that they took out
34:47at the time.
34:48And on the other hand,
34:49you've got
34:50exactly that,
34:51a woman who is
34:51potentially looking
34:52for revenge.
34:53So how do you decide
34:56what is valid
34:57in that information
34:58and what is not?
34:59And the answer is
35:00presumably
35:01in the rest
35:02of the crime scene evidence.
35:04Yes,
35:04of which a massive amount
35:06of the,
35:06a massive amount
35:07has been lost.
35:09And, you know,
35:09the family,
35:11quite,
35:11quite rightly,
35:12particularly cousins
35:14of Jeremy and Sheila,
35:16who almost took on
35:17an investigative role,
35:19you know,
35:19they really felt
35:20so strongly
35:21that Jeremy
35:23was responsible
35:23for this,
35:25that they started
35:26to do their own
35:27investigations.
35:29And it was them
35:31that led them
35:31to discover
35:32that actually Jeremy
35:33could have entered
35:35the house
35:35after leaving it
35:36without,
35:38without detection.
35:40There was a window
35:40to the side
35:41of the house
35:42that had a footprint
35:43in the mud in it
35:45and Jeremy
35:45potentially could have
35:46got in the house
35:47that way.
35:52It took Julie
35:53Mumford
35:53about a month
35:54after the murders
35:55to go into
35:56the police station
35:57and to confess
35:58that she was aware
36:00of what Jeremy
36:00was planning
36:01and that she
36:02had been told
36:03by Jeremy
36:04some specific details
36:05that she wouldn't
36:07have known
36:07had that conversation
36:09not have taken place.
36:11but it still
36:12took the police
36:13about another month
36:14to be able
36:15to make that arrest
36:16and that required
36:18some very specific
36:19and significant
36:20investigation
36:21in the background.
36:22The police
36:22needed to make sure
36:23that given the fact
36:25it had been such
36:25a lengthy period
36:27between their deaths
36:28to this point
36:29that they'd done
36:30a really thorough
36:30investigation this time.
36:33If someone
36:34has been accused
36:35of such a horrific crime
36:37and they believe
36:41that they are innocent
36:42that they have had
36:42nothing to do with this
36:43to behave in the way
36:45that Jeremy did
36:46in an interview
36:46is quite unusual.
36:48We need to be
36:49quite careful
36:49that we're not
36:50just making assumptions
36:51about somebody's behaviour
36:53in quite a tense situation
36:54but he displayed
36:56a level of arrogance
36:58which even very seasoned
37:00police officers found
37:01very, very unusual
37:02let alone for
37:03such a horrific crime.
37:06He was charged
37:07with the murders
37:08of Neville, June,
37:09Sheila and of course
37:10Daniel and Nicholas.
37:12He pleaded not guilty
37:13to all charges
37:14and claimed
37:15that it was his sister
37:17Sheila
37:17that had committed
37:19the murders.
37:20And all of a sudden now
37:22the grieving brother
37:23who was very prominent
37:25in the kind of
37:26the pictures
37:27in the media
37:27was now the main suspect
37:29and on trial
37:30for the murders.
37:45The trial of Jeremy Bamba
37:46lasted 18 days.
37:49He was described
37:50by the prosecution
37:52if you like
37:52in the witness box
37:54as coming across
37:54as quite an arrogant
37:55young man
37:56showed absolutely
37:57no remorse whatsoever
37:59or emotion
37:59in relation to
38:00what had occurred.
38:02The trial is something
38:04which attracted
38:05quite a significant
38:06amount of media attention.
38:08It was described
38:09as being a bit
38:10of a circus
38:11and part of that
38:12I think was due
38:13to Jeremy's behaviour
38:14as well.
38:16He responds
38:17to the prosecution
38:19barrister
38:19that it's up to him
38:22to prove
38:23the fact
38:23that he has killed
38:24his family.
38:25Now that's a very
38:27very unusual
38:27thing to say
38:28when you're on trial
38:30for multiple murders.
38:32To have that
38:33kind of response
38:34rather than just
38:35really focused
38:36on proving
38:36your innocence
38:37I think really speaks
38:38to his level
38:39of arrogance
38:39because he genuinely
38:41believed that
38:41he would get away
38:42with this.
38:43He had plotted
38:44the perfect murder.
38:46Jeremy Bamber
38:47was found guilty
38:48of all murders
38:49and sentenced
38:50to life imprisonment.
38:52Some eight years later
38:53he was given
38:54a whole life order.
38:57When the results
38:59were read out
39:00he didn't really
39:02seem to react
39:03in a way that
39:04again we may expect
39:06someone to react
39:06in this particular situation
39:08but he has
39:09from the point of trial
39:10all the way through
39:12to now
39:12maintained his innocence
39:14and has continuously
39:15attempted to appeal
39:16those verdicts.
39:18He has never
39:19accepted or admitted
39:20his guilt.
39:21In fact
39:22quite the contrary
39:24he has launched
39:25appeal
39:26after appeal
39:27each
39:28one
39:29has been
39:30rejected.
39:33Jeremy Bamber
39:34will never be
39:34released from prison
39:35unless his convictions
39:36are overturned.
39:37He is serving
39:38a full life sentence
39:39so unless he does
39:41have a successful
39:42appeal
39:42he will never
39:43be released
39:44so he will never
39:45be up for parole
39:46he will never be
39:47able to be released
39:48back into the community.
39:52So Bamber
39:53is serving
39:53a full life tariff
39:54which really reflects
39:55the dangerousness
39:56of his personality
39:57and the probable
39:58lack of any chances
39:59of rehabilitating him
40:01and certainly
40:02we see this
40:02with people
40:03with psychopathic
40:04personalities
40:04that they really
40:05are quite resistant
40:06to change
40:07and actually
40:07part of their
40:08personality
40:09is this
40:09arrogant self-belief
40:11that they
40:11can live in
40:12this world
40:13where other people
40:14are to be
40:15manipulated
40:15and he's shown
40:16no signs really
40:17of admitting
40:18his guilt
40:18or any remorse
40:19for his crimes.
40:23Looking
40:24with the benefit
40:25of hindsight
40:26at what you've been
40:27able to establish
40:28in the timeline
40:29and his associations
40:30chart
40:30what can you say
40:32about his plan
40:33for a perfect murder?
40:36Everyone always
40:37says about Jeremy Bamber
40:38yes he was entitled
40:39Jesse was the playboy
40:41he loved the lifestyle
40:42he loved this and that
40:43doesn't make him
40:45a murderer
40:45and it doesn't
40:47until you start
40:48to look at the actions
40:50that he takes
40:51before the crime
40:53as the crime
40:54has taken place
40:55and after the crime
40:57and that for me
40:58points to someone
41:00with no remorse
41:01and the ability
41:02and the motive
41:04so the means
41:04motive and opportunity
41:06to carry out
41:07this crime.
41:09Why would we say
41:11this was
41:11an almost perfect murder?
41:14Well
41:14he had a number
41:16of options here
41:16he had
41:18importantly
41:18Sheila
41:19with a mental health
41:20condition
41:20she could be
41:21the scapegoat
41:22as it were
41:23she could be
41:23the reason for it all
41:24that he could construct
41:26if you like
41:27the family
41:28you know
41:29the arguments
41:30in the family
41:30etc etc
41:31it was all there
41:32for him
41:33and how he planned
41:35the murder etc
41:35he thought
41:37this would be
41:38the perfect scenario
41:39I can get away
41:39with this
41:40by all these
41:41little issues
41:41I put in place
41:44but of course
41:45he made a number
41:46of fatal mistakes
41:47during the course
41:48of the killings
41:49and afterwards
41:50and of course
41:50his behaviour
41:52his personality
41:53he couldn't help
41:54himself
41:56so Bamba
41:57clearly thought
41:58he'd managed
41:58to pull off
41:58the perfect murder
42:00and to some extent
42:01he'd got away
42:02with it
42:02for a short period
42:03of time
42:03unfortunately
42:04his behaviour
42:05after the crime
42:06was again
42:07a display
42:07of his arrogance
42:08and he went
42:09on a bit of a
42:10jolly
42:10and a spending spree
42:11which raised
42:12some suspicions
42:13amongst people
42:14and then the police
42:15further investigated
42:16the crimes
42:17and he came to light
42:18but certainly
42:18he believed
42:19that he had
42:20almost managed
42:21to pull this off
42:21and to some extent
42:22perhaps if he'd been
42:23slightly more careful
42:24he might have
42:25actually achieved this
42:28I think this case
42:29was almost
42:30a perfect murder
42:31because the context
42:33of the situation
42:34was utilised
42:35in such a way
42:36that made the police
42:38think this was
42:39an open and shut case
42:41so for example
42:42the fact that
42:43Sheila had suffered
42:44with significant
42:46mental health difficulties
42:47had schizophrenic episodes
42:49that was used
42:50to explain
42:52the outcome
42:53and the level
42:54of violence
42:55so I think
42:56that used
42:57in the context
42:57of the situation
42:58and the fact
43:00that Jeremy
43:01had plotted
43:03certain points
43:03along the way
43:04according to the prosecution
43:06to redeem himself
43:07from any involvement
43:09and I think
43:10that's what makes
43:11this an almost
43:12perfect murder
43:14so ultimately
43:15in the case
43:16of the White House
43:17farm murders
43:18what differentiated
43:19Jeremy Bamber's
43:21planned perfect murders
43:24from the almost
43:25perfect ones
43:26that got him convicted
43:27I think he vastly
43:29underestimated
43:31his wider family
43:32the silencer
43:33is a massive
43:35point that
43:37unravels this case
43:38here
43:39silencer
43:39off or on
43:40because how could
43:42she possibly
43:42have shot herself
43:44with a silencer on
43:45blood inside
43:46that silencer
43:47and then taken it
43:48and put it downstairs
43:49and gone upstairs
43:49to die beside her mother
43:51what explains
43:53his mistakes
43:56I mean he's planned
43:57this carefully
43:58how can someone
43:59so calculating
44:02so callous
44:03have made such
44:05fundamental mistakes
44:06which led to
44:07his own downfall
44:08because he is
44:10so arrogant
44:12that he felt
44:13that nobody
44:15would question
44:15that a mentally
44:16ill
44:17female
44:19had shot
44:20her family
44:21such was the
44:22groundwork
44:23that he laid
44:24about the fact
44:25she knew
44:25how to use
44:26guns
44:26she was mentally
44:28unwell
44:28so he's played
44:30on people
44:31believing
44:31that mental health
44:33leads you
44:34to become
44:34a crazed murderer
44:36and I think
44:37most critically
44:38he believed
44:40that he was
44:41so clever
44:42that arrogance
44:43and entitlement
44:44undid him
44:45in this case
44:52I think
44:54somebody who
44:55can commit
44:56this level
44:56of violence
44:57to never
44:59demonstrate
44:59any remorse
45:00to have
45:02the forward
45:03thinking
45:03of being able
45:04to blame
45:05this on
45:05his sister
45:07who had suffered
45:08significant
45:09mental health
45:09issues
45:10and then
45:11never take
45:12any responsibility
45:12for this
45:14that would
45:15indicate that
45:16he remains
45:17a very dangerous
45:18man
45:24when you look
45:25at how he went
45:26about the
45:26premeditation
45:27if you like
45:27his planning
45:28of it
45:28how he covered
45:30himself with
45:30the alibi
45:31etc
45:31the phone call
45:32had he not
45:33made those
45:34few fatal
45:35mistakes
45:35which the
45:37forensic
45:37and witness
45:39evidence
45:39proved
45:40and had he
45:41not been
45:41foolish enough
45:42to make
45:43statements
45:43and not be
45:44so arrogant
45:46and again
45:46if you're
45:47that clever
45:47if you're
45:48going to
45:48plot and
45:49plan the
45:49perfect
45:50murder
45:50then you
45:51don't go
45:51telling people
45:53that you're
45:53going to do
45:53it
45:54and of course
45:54like he did
45:54with Julie
45:55Mugford
45:55no matter who
45:56it is
45:56you don't
45:57discuss the
45:57murder
45:58with people
45:58and that
45:59was his
45:59mistake
46:00but that of
46:00course was his
46:01arrogance
46:03but had he
46:04not had that
46:04personality
46:05that arrogance
46:06within his
46:07personality
46:07in other words
46:08had he kept
46:09quiet
46:09and thought
46:10perhaps just
46:11a little bit
46:11more
46:12about how
46:13he was going
46:13to plan it
46:14and what
46:14he was going
46:15to do
46:16then you
46:16could say
46:17that it
46:17could have
46:18been
46:18it could
46:19have been
46:19the almost
46:19perfect
46:20murder
46:49have been
46:50to do
46:50to do
46:50to do
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