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Inside the CIA: Secrets and Spies - Season 1 - Episode 06: Marti Peterson - From CIA Wife To CIA Spy
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00:15I arrived in Moscow in November of 1975 during the Cold War.
00:25The Soviet Union was the main intelligence target of the U.S., and so this was a big job.
00:33The danger of getting identified as a CIA officer would be devastating.
00:46After I was arrested, the Soviets wrote this about me.
00:51A chiseled, almost ideal, medium-sized figure.
00:55She was actually, if not beautiful, then very, very pretty.
01:00And very smart, too.
01:05And Martha loved to drink.
01:09In general, if she was not a drunk, then she was amenable.
01:14And if not a slut, then a very free-spirited woman.
01:20Pardon?
01:23If you don't want to be executed, don't become a spy for the CIA.
01:32It was obviously very complimentary to me.
01:38I'm not sure about the drinking.
01:40I don't know when they would have seen that.
01:54I never knew my mom was a spy.
01:57I never had a clue.
01:58She led a normal life.
02:01She just was really busy.
02:03And if you were to tell me today that...
02:08How do I put this?
02:11If she hadn't told me back then, and she just let the lie go...
02:16Not the lie, but the secret.
02:18I should call it a secret.
02:19It's not a lie.
02:20If she had let it go to today, I still would have never suspected it.
02:27During the Cold War, working for CIA, I knew it was a very dangerous time in history.
02:34And you're taking the ultimate risk.
02:38That was just going to be a fact of my life.
02:42It was a very exciting life.
02:45I am Marty Peterson.
02:47I worked for the CIA for 32 years.
02:51People are always surprised because I looked like someone's grandmother at this point.
02:55And I tell them, people who worked for CIA, you know, look like grandmothers eventually.
03:02You know?
03:05Servicing the CIA is not easy.
03:08You're living a double life.
03:10But you are blessed.
03:12You are fortunate.
03:14Not everybody has the opportunity to serve our country this way.
03:18My name is James Olson.
03:21I served undercover in the CIA during the Cold War when the United States and the Soviet Union were building
03:30up their capabilities
03:31and about to destroy the other many times over.
03:37At the time, I really wanted to make a mark of some kind for the world.
03:44The Soviet Union was a very, very powerful adversary.
03:48So we had to bring our A game.
03:52Being considered for a case officer position was not the norm for a woman.
03:57You have to think about the fact that women weren't even expected to work.
04:01My name is Tracy Walder.
04:03I'm one of the few women who served on both the operations side of the CIA and the FBI.
04:09Women couldn't even have their own credit cards until the 70s.
04:12Women couldn't be special agents of the FBI until 1972.
04:15They said, well, we would love to hire you.
04:20We have several jobs as secretaries.
04:23And I said, I would like to be interviewed for the officer program.
04:29I found out about a man working with CIA who was looking for someone to go to Madrid.
04:37And it became very clear that he was looking for a Girl Friday, a little roll in the hay as
04:44well.
04:44I didn't go.
04:47CIA is patriarchal.
04:49The reason was, well, women eventually will get married and have babies.
04:53What good are they?
04:53I didn't want to be a secretary.
04:56I had other skills.
04:58They saw that I had potential.
05:01And eventually I was hired as a career trainee.
05:08In the CIA, the bread and butter of intelligence is the overseas agent.
05:13The source.
05:14The foreigner who has access to information that our country needs for its own security.
05:20Who knows what their plans are.
05:22And so we were so hungry during the Cold War for Russian sources that getting a foreign service officer anywhere
05:29was going to be valuable for us.
05:31At the end of 1974, we had recruited this great source down in Bogota, Colombia.
05:38Alexander Ogorodnik, codenamed Fragon, a foreign ministry officer for the Soviet Union.
05:44He probably had some disaffection from the Soviet Union.
05:48He lived in the West, so he saw the difference.
05:51He saw what a democratic society could look like.
05:54And he was about ready to go back to Moscow.
05:57But getting that information from Trigon to us was going to be a major challenge
06:03because all of our people in Moscow were under constant KGB surveillance.
06:09We had to get somebody free of KGB surveillance.
06:12We said to ourselves, we know that the KGB does not use women for high risk operational jobs.
06:23They probably assume that we don't either.
06:30I got a call one day from a wonderful man and he offered a job in Moscow as a case
06:39officer.
06:40We had the perfect candidate sitting right there.
06:43That was momentous for us.
06:45And we said, all right, let's do it.
06:47I had no experience.
06:49I was fresh out of training.
06:52I mean, Moscow was the main target of U.S. intelligence.
06:55So I knew that this was big time.
06:59I just hoped that I could do the job.
07:03Finally, we had the person who had great access going back to Moscow,
07:08and we can handle him with Marty Peterson.
07:13I flew from Florida to Moscow.
07:16The flight landed and I was instantly paranoid.
07:21I thought they knew who I was and it was frightening.
07:27The KGB was vicious.
07:29It was cruel.
07:32It routinely engaged in assassinations, torture.
07:36They were a brutal foreign service.
07:46My name is Alexander Vasiliev.
07:48I am ex-KGB intelligence officer.
07:54If you don't want to be executed, don't become a spy for the CIA.
07:59The punishment is obvious.
08:02It's death.
08:03We were trained to believe that there was a war against the CIA,
08:08against the U.S. administration.
08:10And the KGB surveillance was the best of the best.
08:14We are watching you.
08:15To most people in the embassy, both my American colleagues and Soviets who worked in the first floor, I was
08:25doing a low-level job and then would go up to the CIA station at noon and at the end
08:33of the day.
08:33Our hope was that the KGB would overlook her and that they would then not surveil her.
08:39And we told Marty, we want you to be portraying yourself as frivolous.
08:45You know, move around town.
08:47In fact, he developed the nickname of Party Marty.
08:51Being comfortable sometimes with being underestimated can actually be sort of this quiet skill that you have that really works
08:59out in your favor.
09:04My first job was to determine whether I had surveillance.
09:11In the beginning, I thought, well, I just wasn't seeing it.
09:15I also invited other secretaries with me to take trips around town.
09:20And I had reason to turn around and look with other people with me and nobody seemed to be following
09:29me.
09:30I would go into the station, of course, and say, I didn't see any surveillance.
09:36And the men doubted the fact that I could actually spot surveillance.
09:41There were some old male chauvinist curmudgeons back at CIA headquarters that said, she's just not seeing it because it's
09:51there.
09:52We didn't know for sure if Marty was being fallen.
09:57KGB was using a certain type of radio transmission among their surveillance teams.
10:04What was discovered was we can intercept those communications.
10:12I'm Robert Wallace.
10:14I was director of the Office of Technical Service in the Directorate of Science and Technology.
10:19In Moscow, that technology was absolutely critical for the operation itself to be accomplished.
10:28They gave me a receiver, the SR-100.
10:33Our agents would be able to hear now the communications of surveillance teams who were tracking them.
10:39So if we made a move on this street, we could hear that in our ear.
10:47So when the men went out, they could hear.
10:53When I went out, this is what I heard.
11:01There was no one following me, ever.
11:07Marty was our ace in the hole.
11:09I had a way to operate in Moscow that everyone else didn't.
11:16Marty became the handler for Trigon, and that was historic.
11:22For the first time ever, we were handing a source inside Moscow.
11:27And also, this was the first time we'd ever used a woman in an advanced operational role, a high-risk,
11:34dangerous operation.
11:35It was life and death, which he was doing.
11:42I had been in Moscow about two and a half months.
11:47We needed to know what was going on in the Kremlin.
11:51The White House was relying on us because it was so important that we provide our policymakers with good inside
11:58information on the Soviet Union.
12:01I knew there were a lot of risks.
12:04But this wasn't the first time that I fended for myself in a dangerous place.
12:16My first week at college, I met my husband, John Peterson.
12:22And he made the choice in 1967 to go into the Army to enlist.
12:30He became a Green Beret in 1969.
12:34To me, of course, that was going off to sure death.
12:39You know, that's how we thought about Vietnam.
12:42But he survived.
12:45And then he told me he had applied for CIA.
12:50I was shocked. I was.
12:52I didn't know anything about CIA.
12:55John said, I got my notice of my first assignment.
12:59It's Pakse Laos.
13:01And you can come along.
13:04I said, yes, absolutely.
13:07This was an adventure we were going to take on.
13:10That's John in Pakse.
13:13After we got there and he's getting ready to get on a plane to put his troops into the field.
13:19His business was war.
13:24I worked in the office.
13:25He worked in the field.
13:28John and I always looked at life as partners.
13:31I was part of his team.
13:33It was him and me.
13:36Often when I would be coming home from work, I would hear a big explosion.
13:42It made a metal taste come to your mouth.
13:45That is tremendous fright.
13:49So it became right up front and very personal that there was danger there.
13:58I had been out on the street so much and had logged many hours and never had surveillance.
14:07Because she could slip away.
14:09It was not fallen.
14:11We sent Marty out to do what we call dead drops.
14:15A dead drop is classic CIA tradecraft.
14:18Dead drop means leaving a package in a certain area.
14:22And in this case, our Russian diplomat, Trigon, will come at a later time and pick up that package.
14:30These packages are concealed, but inside that concealment is a cavity for us to have whatever materials are being transmitted
14:38through the dead drop.
14:39It can be instructions, of course.
14:41It can be money.
14:42It can be medicines.
14:43It can be camera.
14:44Anything that the agent needs to carry out his or her business.
14:47Say, just a very nice rock laying along the side of the road someplace.
14:52But inside is a major cavity that an agent could use.
14:57The tech person in the field is crucial.
14:59There's no book telling them what to do.
15:02They're some of the most gifted people in the world because they're constantly thinking quickly and making do with what's
15:08available to them.
15:09One of the classics is a dead rat.
15:13You have a nice little cavity.
15:15Perhaps you want to put a small camera.
15:17Not likely to be picked up by anybody except the intended agent.
15:23How do you prevent cat from grabbing it?
15:25Treat it with a little Tabasco sauce, because cats hate Tabasco sauce.
15:34Originally, Trigon had taken pictures of documents with a 35mm camera.
15:41But that was very risky, taking the camera into the embassy.
15:45So we realized that he was a good candidate for this very unique miniature camera hidden within a fountain pen.
15:54And this was my first dead drop.
15:56We told him where it would be and how it would be disguised, that it was concealed in a Soviet
16:05cigarette pack.
16:07He would take the top off, hold the pen over a piece of paper with his elbows up.
16:13And that was the right focal distance.
16:15And then he would plunge this top down and it would take a full page picture.
16:28Dead drop deliveries always make you nervous.
16:32Usually, you would pitch the package out of the car window.
16:36The problem was, we didn't know whether the camera's mechanism would survive.
16:41So, at the last minute, the station decided that I would deliver the package on foot.
16:51I drove my car for two hours, looking for surveillance.
16:59When I determined that I had no surveillance, I went into the Soviet subway system.
17:06I rode three stops, I got out and changed to another subway line.
17:14And walked to the site where the package was to be delivered to Trigon that night.
17:21My heart was going a million miles an hour.
17:24I was really alert and terrified all at the same time.
17:32As I approached the dead drop site, I pause, take a Kleenex out of my bag and blow my nose.
17:39And at the same time, I take the package out of my purse.
17:49And I spent an hour walking.
17:52Trigon is supposed to come and pick up my package.
17:57But when I returned, I looked down and my package is still there.
18:04And I'm horrified to see, several blocks away, a man in the shadows watching.
18:18They caught me red handed.
18:27When I saw that man at a distance, my huge concern was that that was a KGB officer.
18:34I didn't want to be known as the woman who got caught.
18:42I didn't know who he was or why he was there.
18:46But I glanced back to see that man has disappeared.
18:53So I recovered the camera in the package and went on my way back into the subway.
19:01I go in the next morning and report what has happened.
19:06After much discussion, we realized that man in the shadows
19:12was probably Trigon watching for a car.
19:17And of course, he hasn't seen a car.
19:22Ultimately, the next month, I was able to deliver the camera in the pen to Trigon.
19:33I knew that I could put a package down on foot and then leave the area and then return
19:43and pick up Trigon's package.
19:47And what was crucial for us, Trigon was assigned to the communications center.
19:54And that's where the cables came in from Soviet ambassadors overseas reporting back to Moscow
20:00of what they were doing, what their policy recommendations were.
20:04Trigon had access to that.
20:08Over time, you get more confident and you realize the agent is going to be there to pick up that
20:14dead drop.
20:15And that mutual understanding gives you a good feeling.
20:21And so we began to receive his intelligence.
20:26And we learned he is a very capable agent.
20:30He became so adept at this.
20:33He had access to frontline, high-level intelligence on arms control, but also on foreign policy in general.
20:40Intelligence that was produced, thanks to Marty, was going right to the president's desk.
20:45One of the most pleasant surprises that I have had has been the quality of work done by the Central
20:53Intelligence Agency.
20:54The intelligence was pouring in.
20:56One of the major players in U.S.-USSR relations was the Soviet ambassador in Washington, Anatoly de Brennan.
21:05I hope that relations between our countries will develop.
21:09And Kissinger was meeting regularly with de Brennan.
21:13Kissinger loved the Trigon reporting.
21:16Because he would have the meeting with de Brennan, and then he could see how de Brennan was interpreting it
21:22back to Moscow.
21:24Or misinterpreting it back to Moscow.
21:26And a lot was going on.
21:27We were in the middle of the SALT 2 negotiations.
21:30We were trying to trade negotiations.
21:32The Russians were deploying cruise missiles.
21:35It was gold for us.
21:37We'd never seen intelligence like that before.
21:43Over time, I felt such a connection with Trigon, even though I have never met him.
21:50He and I never exchanged a word.
21:54But I had a feeling of, we're in it together.
21:58We are a team.
22:00And of course, keeping him safe and alive is the most important thing to me.
22:07The relationship between officer and asset is critical because the reality is you have someone's life in your hands, period,
22:13the end.
22:14Because they are committing a crime.
22:16They are committing a crime by giving you information that they shouldn't be giving you.
22:22In our country, that's called treason.
22:25Trigon knew that if he were caught, that his fate would be horrible.
22:30His fate was sealed as soon as he fell into KGB's hands.
22:34KGB investigated all their citizens, especially those who had been overseas.
22:42He told us in his packages to us that he had undergone a security check.
22:49And each time he was deathly concerned because they could uncover what he was doing.
22:55And that means torture and the bullet to the back of the head.
23:02Trigon was a traitor, traitors.
23:05All of them were executed.
23:09If you think about the gravity of what Trigon was doing in 1975 Russia, for him to be willingly providing
23:18us with information was a death sentence if that information came out.
23:25Trigon is under incredible stress.
23:28If anyone went and searched his apartment, it could be the end for him.
23:38Then, end of April 1977, we received a package from Trigon.
23:45And when Artec opened the package, he realized that there were some differences in his photography.
23:56Maybe in his stress, he'd become careless.
24:01He'd become reckless.
24:02This stress was causing him physical problems.
24:06He had stomach problems.
24:08He had breathing problems.
24:12Eventually, Trigon requests that he be provided with a means to commit suicide in the event that he is caught.
24:25We didn't want to encourage a potential asset to kill himself.
24:31So we said no.
24:33And only over time, with persistent requests, we felt that it was a moral responsibility to answer his request.
24:45The CIA determined that the best concealment device would be the same pen that Trigon had the camera in.
24:56And now, it contained an ampoule of poison in the barrel where the ink was.
25:03And this would cause instant death.
25:06I was able to deliver the pen to Trigon.
25:10I just hoped that he would never have to lose it.
25:20On October 19th, John kissed me goodbye and headed to work.
25:26I worked all day.
25:27I came home and I was working in the kitchen.
25:30And I heard the truck drive into our driveway, which had gravel.
25:35It was kind of like our doorbell.
25:38I went to the door expecting John to be there.
25:42And it was the chief of our unit.
25:45I said, Bill, John didn't tell me you were coming for dinner.
25:49And Bill just looked at me.
25:51He said, Oh, Marty.
25:54And I realized in a second that something had happened to John.
26:07I was told his helicopter should have taken off below the tree line.
26:14But his pilot, for whatever reason, lifted up too high.
26:18And the North Vietnamese got a good angle.
26:22There was a man in a second helicopter.
26:24John was his very best friend.
26:27So he tried to turn around and go back.
26:30But there were too many enemy in the area.
26:34And that night, sitting there, he said, Marty, I tried to get to him.
26:38I tried to get him out.
26:40And it was impossible.
26:44The next day, his soldiers, they kept telling me for getting the body out.
26:50And I thought, it's just a body.
26:54He wasn't there.
26:56I just knew that he wasn't coming home.
27:02When I was offered a position in Moscow, the agency said,
27:07we think that you are the right person to go.
27:10You have had difficult life experiences.
27:13So we know you could withstand the difficulties.
27:24June 28, 1977, I went into this park where Trigon and I had exchanged packages before.
27:35I had a log with his new schedule and resupply of the pen and cartridges.
27:42I walked down the wooded path and put the package at the base of the lamppost.
27:50After an hour, I saw on the road a small paneled van.
27:58I had never seen any car parked in that park.
28:03And it had its dome light on and the windows were steamed over.
28:10And I thought, either this is an ambush or it's Lover's Lane.
28:19And then, all of a sudden, a man appeared in front of me.
28:23We almost collided.
28:27And I stepped off the side of the path.
28:30I stood there for about 20 minutes.
28:35And then I decided to cross the road.
28:38The van was no longer there.
28:41And there, on the ground by the lamppost, was the log.
28:45Trigon hadn't been there that night.
28:49All my alarms went off.
28:51I knew there was something wrong.
28:53I realized this was not coincidence.
28:57There is no such thing as coincidence in espionage.
29:03So I drove my car by the signal site the next morning.
29:08A signal site is a location where an agent would come and make a mark.
29:15When one of our case officers sees that mark, we know the dead drop has been loaded.
29:23The child crossing sign was the actual signal site that we had described to Trigon.
29:29I wasn't very close to it.
29:32When I could see the signal that he made, it was like it had been stenciled.
29:37This was bright red.
29:39It looked like an artist had drawn it carefully so we wouldn't miss it.
29:46Trigon never made signals like this.
29:50Even though we had all these red flags that indicated there was a problem with Trigon,
29:56we never aborted an operation when an agent's life was on the line.
30:01We had to know whether he was okay or not.
30:06I worked my day job. It was very difficult to concentrate.
30:10At six o'clock, I went up to the station and my colleagues were all there.
30:16They had the package packed.
30:18It was a piece of asphalt and it contained all the elements that we knew Trigon needed.
30:24The camera in the pen, equipment documents, rubles in low denominations.
30:30Put it in my bag and began a long surveillance detection route.
30:45I continued on to the river to where the site was located on the top of a railroad bridge.
31:02I took the piece of asphalt out of my purse and slid it into a narrow window.
31:11I turned around and came back through the tower and started down the stairs.
31:18I was about the fourth step from the bottom when these three men came at me across the street.
31:32A van came from underneath the bridge and men got out.
31:49This was the moment that I was arrested by the KGB.
31:56I remember the moment so clearly.
31:59I attached this receiver on my bra using Velcro, which they had no idea about.
32:05And they had a real problem getting it undone because they didn't know you had to pull it apart.
32:10When they have their hands inside your blouse, you know, it's pretty bad.
32:18Yeah, pretty bad.
32:24I realized at that moment, I did not know what has happened to Trigon.
32:29Whether he's being held in a cell, brutally tortured, or he is already dead.
32:38They took me to Lubyanka prison.
32:45Russians suspected of being spies.
32:47They were sent to Lubyanka prison and they were executed.
32:54She was interrogated and she was an American.
32:58You know, America was an enemy.
32:59The enemy number one.
33:09I knew to say absolutely nothing.
33:13The chief interrogator asked his technical officer to open the package.
33:19They began taking out all the equipment and the documents in the package.
33:27They got to the pen.
33:30And the chief interrogator said,
33:33Don't touch it.
33:36Lay it on the side.
33:38Nobody touch it.
33:39And it was at that moment that I realized he thought that pen had poison in it.
33:47And I knew it was just a camera.
33:51And the only reason he would be afraid of that pen was if he had been there and seen Trigon
34:01use it.
34:02So I knew that something really awful had happened to Trigon.
34:09Something he wouldn't survive.
34:14We knew that if Marty was ambushed, that Trigon was already dead or would be dead soon.
34:22That was devastating.
34:24I'll never forget that.
34:26That was one of the lowest moments in my CIA career.
34:32The chief interrogator was so angry.
34:36I thought something violent was going to happen to me.
34:40But after many hours, the chief interrogator said to me,
34:45You may go.
34:47Most people think that's odd that they would let me go.
34:51But I had diplomatic immunity.
34:55When I arrived back at the embassy, I went up to the CIA station.
35:00And as I came through the door, all my colleagues were there waiting for me.
35:04The chief, who had only newly arrived, said to me, Oh, I'm so glad you're back.
35:11And on the blackboard in his office, he had written, Our Little Girl.
35:17And I told him, I am nobody's little girl.
35:22Even though I knew Moscow better than anyone ever would, I think he believed that if a man had gone
35:29out, this wouldn't have happened.
35:32The Soviet Union said that Martha Peterson, an American vice consul, was expelled from the Soviet Union last July as
35:39a spy.
35:42I left Moscow the next day and flew back to Washington.
35:48I came back to CIA headquarters and I began working again in Washington.
35:54But I had this thought in the back of my head that it was something I had done.
36:01And that somehow I had made a mistake.
36:09For the next seven years, I kept myself busy.
36:14I got married, I began a family.
36:17And it was in 1984 when they finally arrested the man who had caused Trigon's death.
36:25A former employee of the CIA was arrested in New York City today and charged with spying for the government
36:30of Czechoslovakia.
36:31He is identified as Karl Kocher.
36:33We learned from a source, a CIA translator had been working secretly for Czech intelligence and through Czech intelligence back
36:44to the KGB.
36:45Once the KGB knew that someone in the Soviet embassy was being targeted by the CIA,
36:52they began an investigation of all those who had worked in the Soviet embassy and returned to Moscow.
37:02There's nothing more despicable to us than someone who betrays us from within.
37:08Karl Kocher, without any question, was not only a traitor, but he was a killer.
37:13He murdered Frigon by giving the KGB that information.
37:19After Karl Kocher's arrest, we learned the details of what had happened to Trigon.
37:28He was in his apartment and they were watching him.
37:33They saw him take out normal everyday things from the bookshelf, a flashlight, some batteries.
37:42But then they watched as he opened a secret compartment and took out pieces of paper.
37:51They realized he was preparing for another drop.
37:57They barged through his door.
38:01They stripped him down and told him that he should confess.
38:06And he said, I will write a full confession.
38:10He saw his pen laying on the table.
38:14He picked it up and he began to write.
38:19As he saw that they weren't watching him, he put the pen in his mouth, bit down and immediately became
38:32unconscious.
38:34They tried to revive him.
38:38But he died.
38:43That was a week before I saw the van in the woods.
38:51Losing John and now Trigon, I was horrified.
38:56I was so sad.
39:01I deal with grief head on.
39:04I acknowledge what's happened.
39:06I realize that life goes on.
39:09You have to continue on the path.
39:13I'm affected by it, but I don't dwell on it.
39:17It's part of my own place.
39:23Trigon's fate was pretty tragic, but if you decide to cooperate with any intelligence service, including the Russian intelligence service,
39:33you put your life at risk.
39:36And I wouldn't recommend anyone to do that.
39:40I felt so sad and yet so relieved to know that it wasn't something that I had done.
39:50I think it brings up a bigger issue.
39:52It's not necessarily the case officers who are compromising the identity.
39:57A lot of times our assets have been discovered because of double agents and moles.
40:02He had used that pen and that poison as he had intended.
40:08He avoided the torture, all the brutality, and the bullet to the back of the head.
40:19After my husband John died, I got a call from CIA headquarters that I had to come sign some insurance
40:27papers.
40:29I flew to Washington and I was met by very dear friends who were in Laos with us.
40:36And they said to me, Marty, why don't you consider joining the CIA and being a case officer like John
40:44would have been?
40:45I realized that maybe that was a plan.
40:51I started work on July 3rd and that was John's birthday.
40:57It was a very satisfying career, but it was at a certain time when I realized that I was going
41:03to have to tell my children who I work for.
41:07I had given them a story.
41:10Who is Marty Peterson to you?
41:12That's my mom.
41:15Me and my sister were off for the day of school and we get a phone call from my mom
41:19saying, hey, I need you to meet me at this time.
41:23And that's all she kind of left us with.
41:28I drove them to headquarters and we went into the front lobby.
41:35My mom showed her badge and we just rolled right on into the CIA.
41:41I ended up just flirting out mom's a spy.
41:44And we all started laughing, but it was like a nervous laugh.
41:48There is a memorial to all the CIA officers who have been killed in the line of duty.
41:56And among them was the star for John Peterson.
42:00It was then that I told them about John and all that he gave to our country.
42:08And I told them about my long career and how John was so responsible for my career with CIA.
42:20And then she showed me his star and she just pointed straight to it and said, that's John's with absolute
42:26conviction that that was his.
42:27It still gives me goosebumps.
42:29I'm literally sitting here with goosebumps right now just thinking about that wall.
42:32But you never see anything to hint that mom ever worked at the CIA or that that wall would ever
42:38mean anything to her.
42:41I think she was relieved to give up that secret finally to us and be able to share that with
42:46us.
42:47I'm literally coming to terms still every single day with the life that she had versus the life that we
42:53knew.
42:57Marty Peterson is an inspiration to all of us.
43:01Marty became one of our trainers.
43:02She was a role model.
43:04She was a mentor.
43:05If women want to pursue careers in these industries, then they absolutely shouldn't.
43:10It's really because of people like Marty and the women who came before her that it's made it into a
43:16more mainstream career for females.
43:18Despite all the hard moments in my life, the tragedy, the disappointments, the fear, the concern that maybe I made
43:31a bad mistake.
43:32All of that.
43:34I would do it again.
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