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The First 48 - Season 29 - Episode 03: A Lonely Place to Die
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00:01This program documents actual homicide investigations.
00:05Criminal charges are often dropped or reduced,
00:07and all suspects shown are presumed innocent unless proven guilty.
00:24911.
00:25This is an on-fire emergency.
00:27There's a good Samaritan call.
00:29He said he was flat down by someone,
00:33stating that someone was in the woods on East 11th Street.
00:38It's gonna be towards the west of the woods.
00:41The caller says he was in his taco truck
00:43when a man ran up and said he'd just found a body in the woods.
00:47Have you gained contact with the body at all?
00:50Yeah.
00:52He looks to be defeated.
00:55No way.
00:56No way.
00:57No way.
00:59First responders race to the scene.
01:03He's down in this little camp, man.
01:06And discover a man lying in a tent within a small patch of woods.
01:11There's a lot of blood.
01:14Shot dead.
01:23Got a call about a suspicious death over in the area of 11th Garnet.
01:27Detective Vernon McNeil will lead the case.
01:31It's a mix of hotels and businesses,
01:33but you have a large transient population out there.
01:36A lot of them live in camps in the woods surrounding the intersection.
01:41A lot of times what they'll do is get room at one of the hotels,
01:44and that gives them a place to shower and clean up.
01:48The victim was found deceased in a tent.
01:51So that's where we're going to head to.
02:09He's next to a tent.
02:11The tent's there.
02:17What's his name?
02:19David Drywater.
02:2442-year-old David Drywater was born in Claremore, Oklahoma, and raised in Tulsa.
02:32The oldest of eight children, David was a member of the Cherokee Nation and worked as a day laborer.
02:39He leaves behind his mother, three daughters, and three sons.
02:48He's got facial trauma.
02:51It's hard to see for sure.
02:54It looks like a gunshot wound inside the mouth of me.
02:59So, like, suicide?
03:01Suicide?
03:01Suicide?
03:01Mm-hmm.
03:02McNeil will have to wait for the medical examiner to determine the cause of death.
03:07Where's the gun?
03:07Where's the gun?
03:09It's probably got the legs by now.
03:12Everybody walked up and they go up there.
03:15It's possibly a suicide or homicide.
03:27For homicide detectives, their chance of solving a murderer is cut in half if they don't get a lead within
03:35the first 48 hours.
03:48I have two witnesses that saw him dead.
03:51I'm Dr. Daniel.
03:53That's the guy that lives down here.
03:57I think I was saying he's the one who found him first.
04:01The other witness is the man who discovered David's body.
04:13The man told officers that he saw someone in the camp point a gun at Daniel yesterday.
04:20I'll have somebody transport them.
04:23Both witnesses agreed to talk at homicide.
04:27Man, that's pretty much what they have now.
04:31It's inconclusive on whether it's a suicide or a homicide.
04:34The wound was in his mouth.
04:36So it could be an intra-or gunshot wound.
04:39But since his head was so bloody, we couldn't tell on the rear of his head if there was an
04:44exit wound.
04:46They didn't find a gun, but it's a transient camp, so if somebody stumbled across them, they could have picked
04:51the gun up and took off with it.
04:53McNeil will head back to homicide to question the witnesses.
04:57Hope they could put us on the right path.
05:01Take it easy?
05:01Yep, see you later.
05:10Two hours in.
05:11Thank you very much.
05:14McNeil starts with the man who discovered David's body.
05:18Kind of what I want to talk to you about is what's going on tonight.
05:21Where are you currently staying?
05:22Um, I live at the garden there.
05:25Okay.
05:25I'm staying up there in the tent, in the woods.
05:28In that same little camp where this happened at?
05:30It's a different camp.
05:31He says his camp is a half mile east of the crime scene.
05:35What's your familiarity with that camp over there, right by the creek?
05:40I go by there sometimes to, like, score or just to smoke.
05:45They're friends of mine.
05:46He says he's friends with the other witness, Daniel, who lives in the camp where David was found.
05:53He works about everybody, he opens the door for others.
05:56And that earlier that night, he spoke to Daniel outside a nearby business.
06:01I said, you know, I'm going to go down to camp for about 10 minutes of his school.
06:05He said, yeah.
06:06And as soon as I got down there, I see that guy in that tent.
06:10Do you remember what time he might have been?
06:12Oh, it was about four or five or something.
06:15When you got to the camp, who was all at the camp?
06:17My wife.
06:18So when you got to the camp, dead man.
06:21I ran back out of there.
06:22I started saying someone needs to call an ambulance.
06:25He says he ran back and got Daniel.
06:28He went down there to the camp and he came right back out.
06:31Okay.
06:33There was a car wash going on in that parking lot of our bodies in the taco truck.
06:37And when I asked the guy in the taco truck, I said, will you call number one?
06:41He says the owner of the taco truck called 9-1-1.
06:45And he went and looked at the body.
06:48While you were over by O'Reilly's, did you hear any gunshots?
06:51No.
06:52No.
06:53Okay.
06:54When you went to the tent, man, you're not in trouble, just be honest.
06:57I will.
06:58When you went to the tent, did you see a gun in there next to the dead guy?
07:02No, I did not see a gun. No.
07:06All right.
07:06Sit tight, man. We'll try to get you back out there, all right, buddy?
07:08Thank you very much.
07:19Hey, I'm Detective Warren.
07:20Need you to sit up for me?
07:22McNeil and Detective Reggie Warren turn to Daniel, who lives in the camp where David was found.
07:29How long have you lived over in that camp?
07:31Three years.
07:32Well, that's a long time, man.
07:33Yeah, man.
07:35Okay.
07:36Man, tell me what happened.
07:38I was in front of O'Reilly, bro.
07:40And he came running, you know?
07:42He says he was opening the door for people at a nearby auto barn store when the man who found
07:47David ran up to him.
07:50There's a dead body, you know?
07:52I went and go check it out.
07:54And I grabbed his hand, you know?
07:56Like, hey, what's going on?
07:59Was that your friend?
08:00Yeah.
08:03Did you see a gun?
08:05Mm-hmm.
08:07Mm-hmm.
08:07Okay.
08:09Let me ask you this.
08:10Did you take a gun from his tent?
08:13Mm-hmm.
08:14Did you go sell it or anything?
08:15I'm not saying you did it.
08:17Mm-hmm.
08:17I was just saying, did you take anything from his tent?
08:19Did you take the gun from his tent?
08:21Maybe to go sell it to get some money?
08:23Mm-hmm.
08:25I didn't see nothing, you know?
08:26I just got the dead, you know?
08:28I saw the dead, you know?
08:31When was the last time you saw that guy live?
08:34Like, around five.
08:36Okay.
08:37So, have you ever seen him with a gun before?
08:40Mm-hmm.
08:41No?
08:42Do you ever see him like he might be a little sad or depressed?
08:47Or something like that.
08:47Yeah.
08:48Did he ever act like he didn't want to be alive anymore?
08:53Mm-hmm.
08:55But he did kind of look like a little frightened, you know?
08:59Like something wrong.
09:02Um, yesterday, did somebody point a gun at you?
09:07Yeah.
09:08Okay.
09:09Who pointed a gun at you yesterday?
09:12It's old school.
09:15Old school?
09:17What's his name?
09:19I don't remember.
09:20It's old school.
09:23Okay.
09:24Why did he point the gun at you?
09:26It was a horse plane.
09:29He says old school was spinning a .22 caliber revolver on his finger.
09:34But did he ever just get the gun and point it at you?
09:37Yes, sir.
09:37Mm-hmm.
09:39Are y'all decent friends?
09:42I thought we were.
09:44He says he asked to see the gun, but then it broke while he was holding it.
09:48And old school got angry.
09:51Is it possible that this guy was so mad at you that he might have came back over to your
09:56camp?
09:57And must have took the guy in the tent as being you and maybe that did something bad to him?
10:05I think so.
10:05Mm-hmm.
10:07All right.
10:09Yeah, sit tight, man.
10:14I think Daniel was holding back.
10:16Probably because he's scared he lives out there.
10:18And so I think that he doesn't want to tell me everything he knows.
10:23But he referred to gentleman that goes by old school.
10:26McNeil circles back to the first witness, hoping he can give him old school's real name.
10:32Do you know a guy that kind of hangs out over there that has a gun?
10:38The only guy that I know with a gun is a dog.
11:01The witness says Todd's last name is Hibner.
11:06But at the same time, I don't know that Todd frequents that play.
11:09I don't know.
11:12I don't know.
11:13I think I killed him, son.
11:21Do you know if Todd and the dead guy at the camp maybe got into it the last few days
11:26or anything like that?
11:28I have not heard that.
11:30No.
11:32Does Todd stay in camps over there or is he usually at one of the hotels?
11:35Whenever I've gone to see Todd, he's always in the hotel room.
11:39So this is what I'm going to do, man.
11:40I'm going to give you one of my cards.
11:41Okay.
11:43If you hear anything else or can't think of anything else, people are going to call me.
11:49Yeah, because whoever did this, I want them to spend the rest of their life in prison.
11:53Because it's not going to be able to matter time for what it did done to me.
11:58All right, brother.
11:59Sit tight and I'll get you out, okay?
12:08So I think old school was going to be Todd Hibner.
12:12I think they're the same person.
12:15He's never been to prison.
12:17Never been convicted of a felony.
12:21Todd Hibner was detained, referencing a flare gun incident last year.
12:26This is some of the body cam footage of that incident.
12:29And this is Todd Hibner.
12:3155-year-old Todd Hibner was born in Wichita, Kansas, and moved to Broken Arrow, Oklahoma as a child.
12:39He's an independent fence contractor, and he has two adult sons and a daughter.
12:46Todd is known to have a gun in that area.
12:48But as of right now, we don't know if this is a murder or if it's a suicide.
12:52Hopefully, by tomorrow, the ME will have done the examination.
12:55If the ME says it's a murder, then that's going to be a person of interest we need to speak
12:58with.
13:06The next day.
13:08When the victim was found and our crime scene people went out there and looked at him,
13:13they couldn't tell if he had an intraoral gunshot wound to his mouth or not.
13:17And so we had to wait for the ME to rule.
13:20This morning, the ME did an examination of the victim
13:23and concluded that the victim had been shot once right above his left eye.
13:28So he ruled it a homicide.
13:31We're going to head back kind of to the area of the scene.
13:33As McNeil and Warren head out to talk to the taco truck owner who called 911.
13:40This morning, it's definitely a homicide.
13:43The rest of the team heads back to the crime scene to search for the second witness, Daniel.
13:49We really do need to re-interview the guy with this new information.
13:53It's not ideal, but we haven't really lost that much time.
14:11The tent's still here.
14:14Looking inside, it's cleared out. There's nothing in there at the moment.
14:19Mark and I may run back behind these hotels, kind of in the northeast of the Quick Trip.
14:24Kennedy and Brown will search other campsites in the area for Daniel.
14:28We have to find out who is mad at David.
14:38Okay, thank you.
14:40An hour later...
14:41Mark and I tracked down these urban campers and they told us that they actually saw David in his camp.
14:48They also told us that David had a girlfriend that was staying at his camp.
14:54They even went as far as to say that they heard gunshots and then heard this girl scream.
15:01They didn't know whether the girl was screaming due to David getting shot or maybe she had something to do
15:08with it.
15:15Hey.
15:16McNeil calls in with an update.
15:19The taco truck owners said Hibner came and bought a Coke and then walked over to the camp.
15:24And then a few minutes later walked westbound towards 169.
15:28And that would have been about 445 to like 515 or 530.
15:35Okay, that's pretty good information.
15:38John and Mark went over to another encampment and said they heard the gunshot.
15:43Around the 5 o'clock time period.
15:47Okay.
15:48Okay.
15:49I understand he usually stays around the hotels in this area.
15:52So we're over here at the OYO.
15:54We're going to talk to the manager at OYO.
15:57But I don't know if he came back to the hotels or he walked west and is out of camp
16:00somewhere.
16:01Alrighty.
16:03Thanks, man. Bye.
16:10Alright.
16:1018 hours in.
16:12How y'all doing?
16:14McNeil talks to the manager of one of the hotels near the crime scene.
16:26So Todd has a room over here at the OYO.
16:31Copy.
16:32I was going to get eyes on it and then try to catch him either going in or coming out.
16:42Minutes later.
16:43Alright, we're parked on the east side.
16:46Watkins and Ryden arrive with patrol officers as backup.
16:50What about just knocking and talking?
16:52And if he's in there, we'll pull him out and take him in and interview him?
16:56Alright, now he's just a person of interest.
16:58Yep.
16:59Yep.
17:00Let's do that.
17:02There we go.
17:12There's one down here.
17:20Come on, are you in there?
17:24Hey!
17:25There we go.
17:25No.
17:26No.
17:39No.
17:42No.
17:43No.
17:43Come on.
17:44No, no.
17:44No.
17:47No, no.
17:50No, no, no.
17:52I don't.
17:53Right over here, right?
17:54Yes, your name?
17:55Yes, your name?
17:56OK.
17:57Well, your name's come up.
17:58We just want to talk to you about it.
18:00We need you to take a ride to take the mission with us.
18:03We want to talk to you, and we'll bring it right back.
18:07OK.
18:08Kibner agrees to talk at headquarters.
18:12Trying to look for a gun real quick?
18:13You got a problem with that?
18:15Yeah.
18:15Don't have a problem with that.
18:16Cool.
18:19No one's expecting us.
18:20All things are going to hide too much.
18:29OK.
18:30OK.
18:33OK.
18:35OK.
18:35All right.
18:36The man is a truth-teller.
18:39I'm not feeling that gut at all.
18:41No.
18:43He's, like, way too calm.
18:44There wasn't a gun.
18:46He's only a cool cat if he did do it.
18:56All right, Todd.
18:58Thank you for coming down here voluntarily and talking with us.
19:02The gentleman was shot, and so we're kind of following up with different people today.
19:08Walk me through your day yesterday.
19:11Mm-hmm.
19:12I didn't leave OYO until 2.30 in the afternoon.
19:15I went to Sonic.
19:16Mm-hmm.
19:17The liquor store.
19:18Mazios.
19:20And back to the OYO after dark.
19:23I call them my rounds.
19:25Mm-hmm.
19:25I just go to those places, and I just see, you know, what they're doing, see if they need
19:29anything.
19:30He says he does odd jobs for local businesses to earn extra money.
19:34Okay.
19:36Um, did you ever go to a taco stand yesterday?
19:40No.
19:43Okay.
19:44I know they're having a car wash over there.
19:46I did not go around it.
19:50You recognize this guy?
19:54Is that Daniel?
19:55Yeah.
19:58And do you recognize this guy?
20:01McNeil shows Todd a photo of the man that found David's body.
20:15Todd, here's the thing, man.
20:18We were told about an incident that happened Saturday, okay?
20:23We got information that you had a gun there, and you were letting one of these guys, I think
20:28you let this guy have the gun, and he was looking at it.
20:31That never happened.
20:33I haven't had a firearm in 12 years.
20:36If I don't have a gun, if I did, these two would be probably the last one on the planet
20:41I would hand it over to.
20:44So these two guys would be lying that you hung out with them Saturday?
20:48Yeah.
20:48Yes, sir.
20:50Okay.
20:53You recognize this guy?
20:54He shows Hibnur a photo of the victim, David.
20:59I've seen him.
21:01Have you ever gotten in a physical altercation with this guy in the past at all?
21:05No, sir.
21:06Absolutely not.
21:09That guy is dead.
21:10He was killed yesterday.
21:12We're homicide detectives.
21:14There are people who know you in the community, who are at work out there, and then homeless people.
21:19They sit here and said that you got a drink from a taco stand, and then they watched you walk
21:25over to where his camp was.
21:29Absolutely inaccurate.
21:31Never went to that camp.
21:32That's a fact.
21:35Okay.
21:37So why would people that have nothing to gain about anything sit here and say that they watched you do
21:42this?
21:42I don't know why people do anything out there anymore.
21:45Did not go to that camp.
21:47I mean, I headed that direction, but go to the liquor store.
21:50And that's it.
21:52Okay.
21:54Stand up for me real quick.
21:59McNeil checks Todd's shoes for blood.
22:02What have these been in the shoes you were wearing yesterday?
22:05It's the only pair of shoes you own?
22:08There's nothing.
22:09Okay.
22:11Here's the deal, man.
22:13I want to make sure that somebody's not getting you confused with somebody else.
22:17I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.
22:19So, man, just give me one second, and I'll be right back.
22:25His shoes are clean.
22:29What's the game playing?
22:30Let's kick Todd.
22:32Detectives John Brown and Mark Kennedy will bring Hibner back to his hotel.
22:38I have not at all discounted him.
22:41Yeah.
22:43You just don't have a witness that says, hey, I was there when this happened.
22:47You just have a couple tents and a dead guy in the woods.
22:51I mean, this is a difficult case.
22:55I need to find Daniel again and re-interview him.
22:57Then I need to figure out who the victim's girlfriend is.
23:03Bernie?
23:04She'd be our suspect.
23:06We'll see.
23:10Then...
23:12Crime scene's back out at the scene.
23:15McNeil gets a text from Major Crimes Detective Steven Boren,
23:18who has continued to search the crime scene for the murder weapon.
23:23This mother here at the scene.
23:26David's mother heard someone was killed at the encampment and went to check on him.
23:31She hasn't been notified of his death.
23:34Crime scene, they're going to send the victim's mother up here to talk to me.
23:4430 minutes later.
23:46Sherry, I'm Detective McNeil.
23:49So sorry for what you're going through.
23:51Kind of talk to me about your son, because I've never met him.
23:57He was a father and a dad, and he turned into an alcoholic.
24:03Okay.
24:04He would stay with me, but then he wanted to drink, and I wouldn't let him do that.
24:09Mm-hmm.
24:09You know?
24:11I said, you need to quit.
24:14Hard kicking him out, and he just ended up living on the streets.
24:19But I kept telling him, you're drinking, and drugs are going to kill you.
24:24I'm going to end up burying you.
24:28Did he ever say he was having any issues with people in his camp?
24:31No.
24:31No?
24:32No, because he wouldn't be there if he was.
24:34Okay.
24:35Did he have a girl, like a girlfriend that was staying?
24:39Yeah.
24:40She gives him the name of David's girlfriend.
24:45She always would hit him and stuff.
24:49When she got drunk, it got bad.
24:54He's got scars all over him.
24:57She had these little chickens, and one of them kept taking off from her, so she cut his foot off.
25:05That kind of made me wonder about her, you know?
25:08Mm-hmm.
25:37Mm-hmm.
25:38He called me, telling me he had gotten his ID, and they were going to help him get a place.
25:44David wanted to get off the streets, so a local nonprofit was helping him get an apartment.
25:50He was all happy.
25:52And he had asked if I would come pick him up.
25:54I said, I can't come pick you up.
25:55I got physical therapy.
25:58Man.
26:02I should have went and picked him up.
26:05I'm sorry for what you're going through.
26:07I'm going to work for you guys, okay?
26:10If you hear anything, call me and let me know.
26:11All right.
26:18You can tell she's heartbroken.
26:19Probably wishes she could have tried to have done more to help her son, but there's a lot of reasons
26:24why homeless people are homeless.
26:26Sometimes it's alcohol.
26:28Sometimes it's drug addiction.
26:30But those people actually have loved ones.
26:32They have mothers.
26:32Some of them have kids that love them and care for them.
26:35So they're not going to look at their loved one as somebody that's been transient, that lives out on the
26:39streets.
26:39They're looking at that.
26:40That's my dad.
26:40That's my son.
26:42You know that they're hurting.
26:44It's a sad deal.
26:50So more leads.
26:52I got the name of the victim's girlfriend.
26:55I'm trying to get a picture of this girl so we can go look for and try to grab her
26:58and bring her up here.
27:05There she is.
27:07She's currently homeless.
27:09Witnesses said that they heard a female yelling just before they heard some gunshots.
27:14So it's possible that the victim's girlfriend was present when he was killed.
27:19Do you think the girl's a suspect?
27:21A suspect or a witness.
27:22Okay.
27:24I think we might have a lover's quarrel situation.
27:27Maybe.
27:28I don't know.
27:30I'm still leaning towards Todd.
27:33We got a whodunit.
27:34A true whodunit.
27:37We also need to talk to Daniel again because he was scared.
27:40And it's a possibility and he just doesn't want to tell us what happened.
27:55The next day.
27:57Wakey, wakey, everybody.
27:59The team heads out to look for David's girlfriend and Daniel.
28:03You know that gal?
28:05No.
28:07How you doing?
28:08How you doing, sir?
28:09You good?
28:09I'm good, buddy.
28:10Hey, you guys seen Daniel today?
28:12Good to see you.
28:13Good to see you.
28:14Where at?
28:14Dollar General.
28:15Dollar General?
28:16Okay.
28:18Dollar General.
28:20See, they're asking you shall we see, right?
28:23As detectives head to the dollar store.
28:26I think it's him.
28:30It's him.
28:31Go grab him.
28:32They spot Daniel outside another local business.
28:36Daniel, come on.
28:37Hop in.
28:39We got to talk to you, okay?
28:41Mm-hmm.
28:42We're out here trying to do the work, man.
28:44No, that's good.
28:46Okay.
28:47You're welcome.
28:55Hopefully he'll be honest and just tell us everything he knows.
29:01What's up, man?
29:02What's up, man?
29:05The guy that died?
29:07What did you call him?
29:08Called him G?
29:11Okay.
29:13Well, you remember when we spoke to you the other day,
29:15and we were asking you about a certain person,
29:18and you were kind of afraid to talk to us about him?
29:20Remember that?
29:21The one with the gun on him?
29:23Yes.
29:23And you know who that person is, right?
29:26Old school?
29:28No.
29:29You know his real name?
29:32Todd?
29:34Thank you, because Sunday you said you didn't know his name.
29:37You just called him old school.
29:38For some reason, Sunday you were really scared of him,
29:41and now all of a sudden we're freely talking about Todd.
29:51Let me ask you this.
29:52Who do you think shot G?
29:57Who did G have a beef with?
30:00Maybe Todd.
30:02Why do you say Todd?
30:04Like three days ago, Todd.
30:06He was like, I'm gonna shoot that girl.
30:10He's like, man, I'm gonna kill him.
30:14There's no .
30:28Okay, who said that?
30:30Old school way.
30:32Now we're getting into some stuff we hadn't heard before.
30:41Did he ever tell you why he would want to shoot it?
30:45Three days ago, right in front of Quitcher.
30:48What's that?
30:51Daniel says he was outside a convenience store with Todd
30:53when David and his girlfriend walked by.
30:57And Gene just looked at us, you know?
31:00And Todd thought David gave him a dirty look.
31:04I was quick.
31:05He kind of did look furious, huh?
31:07He was like, I'm gonna shoot that guy all right.
31:10Okay.
31:11And he's talking about G when he said that?
31:13Mm-hmm.
31:15That's very important.
31:18You said it was his girlfriend?
31:20Mm-hmm.
31:23That's it, man. We'll get you out of here, okay?
31:33Girlfriend.
31:33That's who we need to find the eggs.
31:44Three hours later...
31:46I caught her out in front of the hotel walking back.
31:48Looked like she was coming back for a quick trip.
31:51Detective Emery Ward finds David's girlfriend.
31:54And brings her in for questioning.
31:56So she got in the car and immediately she's like,
31:59I'm not saying anything.
32:00I'm not telling you all anything.
32:03Not, I don't know what happened.
32:05Just, I'm not saying anything.
32:09We'll see.
32:13Yeah, how you doing?
32:15I'm Detective McNeil.
32:16Call me Vernon. This is my partner.
32:19Sorry for what you're going through, okay?
32:21But we're here to try to get justice for David's family
32:24and figure out what happened, okay?
32:27All I ask is that you be 100% honest with us.
32:33How long have you known David?
32:36Okay.
32:40When was the last time you saw David alive?
32:45I think it's been like two days, I think.
32:49She says she last saw David on the day he was killed.
32:53What time did you last see him?
32:56I don't remember.
32:57For like two minutes.
33:00I don't remember exactly.
33:02When did you find out about him?
33:04Him being dead?
33:07I was there.
33:10You were there?
33:12Thank you for being honest.
33:14What happened, honey?
33:17We were sitting in the tent.
33:18We were having a conversation.
33:20David's girlfriend says she and David were inside his tent.
33:26Take a deep breath.
33:27Take a deep breath.
33:27You're okay.
33:28You're with us.
33:29I know you're scared.
33:30Okay, I do.
33:31I can tell.
33:32Okay?
33:34Take a deep breath.
33:38That dude was like creeping around the woods.
33:40I heard him.
33:41I know he had been sitting there for a minute.
33:43She says she and David saw a man outside the tent.
33:48And they probably know each other or something because David said something about he had a gun or something like
33:54that.
33:54And David warned her that the man had a gun.
33:59And he just pulled it out and shot him.
34:04He was going to shoot me and I told him no.
34:08He said I was lucky.
34:13He pointed the gun at you.
34:15Yep.
34:16Did he pull the trigger?
34:17No.
34:18No.
34:21What did the gun look like?
34:22I think it was like a revolver.
34:2622 maybe.
34:28He walked out and he walked towards the O'Reilly's.
34:31And I walked home.
34:33How did he tell everybody?
34:36Can you remember any of the words that the guy said to David?
34:41I didn't think he said anything.
34:44Okay.
34:45David might have said something that made him hide.
34:47I don't know.
34:48He didn't say too many words.
34:51It all happened so fast.
34:54That's crazy.
34:55You know, you're sitting in a tent and all of a sudden some guy walks up and she's like, David,
34:58that's nuts.
34:59That's somebody that will probably do that to somebody else, right?
35:01So we're not going to let that happen.
35:05Okay.
35:05Have you seen this guy before?
35:07I think one time.
35:10That day in the Blackfoot trip.
35:12White guy.
35:13Okay.
35:14How old is this white guy?
35:16I am probably like 53.
35:19I know he had a butt.
35:22If we were to show you a photo of this guy again, would you be able to say that's him?
35:26Maybe.
35:27Be.
35:30Sit tight.
35:31I'll be right back, okay?
35:38Dude!
35:40She spit that out like, what, 30 seconds?
35:44I believe what she's saying.
35:46When you put everything together, it clearly points to Todd.
35:53She's saying it's a heavyset guy in his 50s.
35:56Everybody knows he carries a revolver.
35:58The day before, he's at the same camp.
36:01Messing around with the revolver.
36:03McNeil will make a photo lineup containing Todd Hibner.
36:07If she picks him out, then we'll go snatch him from his hotel if he's still there.
36:12Hey, how are ya?
36:14Detective Spirit with TBD.
36:16Take a look at all of these and just tell me if you see anybody that you recognize.
36:22That's a weird point.
36:26That's a weird point.
36:29I'm a little kid.
36:31There's a weird point.
36:32I'm a little kid.
36:32I'm a little kid.
36:35I really like that one.
36:40It's a weird point.
36:41This one looks the closest.
36:42She picks out Todd Hibner.
36:58She's saying that Todd didn't say much.
37:00He pulled out the gun and just shot him.
37:02I got to do some warrants, but the search begins.
37:16As the first 48 slips away, and that witness says picked out Todd, so we're going to go over
37:23here again and take a look.
37:24The team checks the hotel where Todd Hibner was staying.
37:33So, basically, the management walked him out.
37:36That seems sense.
37:37According to the manager, Hibner left the hotel shortly after Kennedy and Brown brought
37:42him back.
37:44We'll see what these folks got to say.
37:48The team fans out in search of Hibner.
37:51What up, peeps?
37:52Hi, what up?
37:53Hey, y'all know Todd?
37:55Todd?
37:56Have a seat.
37:58OK.
37:59Thank you, ladies.
38:00You guys be careful.
38:01Yes, sir.
38:03Hey, Tulsa police.
38:04See if you know this guy.
38:06No.
38:07Never seen him?
38:08No.
38:09But he's nowhere to be found.
38:13OK.
38:16Take care.
38:17The team will turn the search over to the fugitive warrants squad.
38:21I think he may have called somebody and had a ride pick him up.
38:30So he's flagged.
38:32If patrol or anybody gets him tonight, he will be arrested.
38:36And then, uh, I'll give him opportunity to tell me why what happened, happened.
38:50In the first 48, Tulsa Homicide responded to the killing of 42-year-old David Drywater, found
38:58shot in an urban encampment, spoke to two witnesses who said Todd Hibner spends time around the
39:05camp and owns a gun, interviewed Hibner who denied any involvement in David's murder, tracked
39:12down David's girlfriend who said she witnessed Hibner shoot David, and searched for Hibner,
39:18a gun.
39:19But he'd been unable to find him the next day.
39:32David warned people to be able to locate Todd at another hotel a few miles away from where
39:37the murder happened.
39:38And so we are now going to see if he's willing to talk to us.
39:41And then if he is, we'll go from there.
39:47Hey, Todd.
39:48How you doing, buddy?
39:50So my plan is to try to talk to you again about what happened that day.
39:56I've talked to this guy's family.
39:58And the question they keep asking me is the why.
40:02OK?
40:04You be willing to do that?
40:06My turn to get you.
40:10OK, buddy.
40:16He wouldn't talk with that as attorney.
40:17So that's where we're going to leave it at.
40:19He is golden.
40:20Thank you, guys.
40:42It's very frustrating.
40:44Dave is dead, and the most important thing that people want to know is the why.
40:48Why Todd killed the victim.
40:51Unfortunately, Mr. Hidmer decided to ask for an attorney and wouldn't say anything to us.
40:57Dave's girlfriend told us what happened.
40:59And so, you know, that's kind of what we have to go with is what the girlfriend said.
41:03I think David probably said something to Todd that set Todd off.
41:08And then Todd just had a split reaction out of anger.
41:12It's clear that Todd was a threat to a lot of people in that community.
41:16It's good to have him off the street.
41:27Two months after David was killed.
41:30My son, Dave, he could do anything except get sober.
41:36David's family gathers to remember him.
41:42I miss him a lot because I was 17 when I had him.
41:45And we grew up together.
41:48I would tell him, just get sober.
41:50I'll help you get sober.
41:52But he wasn't ready.
41:55And his addiction got him.
41:58Never judge like a book by its cover because you never know what someone's going through.
42:02Deep down, my dad was a good person.
42:04No matter how much you make, what kind of house you have, everyone's still a person at the end of
42:09the day.
42:12Everybody out there, living on the streets, they all have a story.
42:16And, you know, they're people.
42:19They need help.
42:22I miss him.
42:25Man, it's really hard.
42:28But I think he's at peace, you know?
42:33I love you, David.
42:35Amen.
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