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00:31Welcome back, everybody, to Paranormal Intelligence Agency Radio Live.
00:36I'm your host, Jack Carey, and we are broadcasting from 300 feet deep in an abandoned nuclear missile
00:42silo somewhere lost in the post-apocalyptic wastelands of the Dakota Territories, and I
00:49am joined, as always, by the paranormal crime-fighting duo, Daisy and the Sundance Kid are in the
00:58house tonight.
00:59They are, well, we've been sitting around having a lively discussion about paranormal in the
01:09news this week.
01:13It's fitting, the paranormal in the news this week, because it was just the last week's
01:24show that I brought up the fact that, well, behind the scenes at the Pentagon, there are really
01:35two camps, and these two camps, and these two camps are warring with each other for ultimate
01:41UFO disclosure, or not.
01:44And so, it's interesting that we have comments made by the Vice President J.D.
01:56Vance this week in regards to the UFO phenomenon, which kind of fits perfectly, like a Tetris piece,
02:05into the puzzle I was describing last week, and we'll get to that in a minute, in our paranormal
02:12in the news, but we are in the midst of trying to link up with a great guest for tonight's
02:25show.
02:25His name is Vic Cundiff, and he is an expert in all things cryptids, and we'll hopefully have
02:32him on pretty soon.
02:34But, we're going to cover some current stuff that's going on.
02:41I like to cover the fact that we are in the upswing of the Kali Yuga.
02:46That is a theme on our show.
02:50We pay attention to planetary cycles, and we are in a multi-thousand-year planetary cycle
02:59known as the Kali Yuga.
03:00This stretches back to ancient Vedic astrology, then confirmed by the web bot, and then reconfirmed
03:08by certain remote viewing groups that have their DNA, if you will, stretching back to the
03:16original Stargate CIA-ran programs of psychic espionage.
03:22And when you have all three of those pointing in the same direction, that is basically in
03:31paranormal world where I live, that's like having all of your metrics pegging at once in
03:37one direction.
03:37That's pretty exciting stuff.
03:39And so, that sort of led us into the crazy, unpredictable realm of what happens when one economy dies and
03:51another economy takes over, and it's interesting that we had three different kind of paranormal
04:00indications, if you will, that the old system is dying away and the new system is coming about,
04:06and that new system will be comprised of things like cryptocurrencies, perhaps quantum currencies.
04:14That's on the horizon.
04:18And a general, well, science fictionizing, if you will, of our reality.
04:27A sci-fi world emerges as a theme that constantly pops up with the web bot, and it's something
04:35that we're all beginning to see now.
04:38So, but it's interesting that in the context of J.D. Vance's comments concerning the UFO phenomenon,
04:49you have in the backdrop, remember, 11 missing scientists, all with ties to what appears to be
04:59the Department of Energy or with anti-gravity research, I would remind everybody out there
05:06that the UFO disclosure secrecy is largely kept because of security clearances that are part
05:17of the Department of Energy and not the military.
05:24The entire security apparatus, if you will, surrounding UFO disclosure is rooted and embedded in the
05:32Department of Energy, probably because what they discovered was an unimaginable power source, right?
05:40It kind of makes sense that they would then classify it outside because they have their own
05:48classifications system in the Department of Energy ever since the atomic weapons were created.
05:56And sort of hide it within layers of secrecy dealing with that, because ultimately it is the power source
06:07that matters for one of these craft and the ability to generate, you know, free energy.
06:15In the end, free energy will become a thing.
06:20The web bot seems to indicate that they will, and they, I mean, the powers that be that are actually
06:26in control of this technology will slowly begin to implement it as we go forward in the next couple of
06:33decades to the point where you're going to have a society with free energy.
06:39And that's really kind of the holy grail with free energy comes, you know, very cheap manufacturing
06:45and things like that.
06:47And a whole cascade of dominoes falls at that stage.
06:51And that's sort of part of the battle that's been going on.
06:54But I would remind everybody that sort of behind the scenes at the Pentagon, there are two camps.
07:01One camp is pro-disclosure and pro-science and are not devoutly religious.
07:11The other camp is devoutly religious and have the viewpoint from their religion that anything
07:21and everything needs to be done in order to maintain secrecy and control of the UFO phenomenon itself.
07:35And case in point, all of that is the Vice President's words this week.
07:41And I'll read you a little summary of exactly what occurred here.
07:45Vice President J.D. Vance stated in a March 2026 podcast interview that he believes unidentified
07:53aerial phenomenon, UAPs slash UFOs, are, quote, demons rather than extraterrestrial aliens,
08:03linking this view to his Christian faith and a skepticism of extraterrestrial theories.
08:09Vice President J.D. Vance expressed an obsession, as he called it, with the topic,
08:15suggesting these entities represent, quote,
08:18extra-natural or spiritual forces.
08:23Hmm.
08:27The breakdown goes on to say,
08:30during an appearance on the Benny Johnson show,
08:35Vance said,
08:36I don't think they're aliens.
08:37I think they're demons.
08:38Anyway, but that's a larger, longer discussion.
08:43Unquote.
08:45Vance went on to explain that his perspective is based on a Christian understanding
08:50that acknowledges both good and evil forces,
08:53arguing that, quote,
08:56one of the devil's greatest tricks is to convince people that he never existed.
09:01Unquote.
09:04Vance mentioned that he is working to release government files related to UAPs,
09:08as part of a broader push by the administration to declassify UFO information.
09:14While some, like astronomer A.V. Loeb, noted that religious interpretations of evil or spiritual forces are not new,
09:21they criticized labeling UAPs as inherently evil, without evidence,
09:27suggesting it's important to keep an open mind about the possibility of advanced non-human intelligence.
09:33So that gives you a little insight behind the veil, behind the curtain, right?
09:43There are a group of these people.
09:45Some people have identified them and called them by the name, the Collins Elite.
09:50These are people that approached some of the principles in the documentary Age of Disclosure
10:02and asked them why they were messing with demons in the hallways of the Pentagon.
10:08In other words, these people were studying the UFO phenomenon.
10:11They'd be walking down the hallway and all of a sudden somebody would bump into them
10:15and they'd look up and there'd be this military guy who'd be like,
10:19how come you're messing with the devil?
10:22And they'd be like, what?
10:24They'd be like, what you're studying is demonic.
10:26And they would say, well, that's awfully peculiar that a demon needs a spacecraft in order to travel around.
10:38But, and that sort of shows you the battle that's taking place, right?
10:42That is the ontological shock I have described.
10:51And so that is very, very interesting.
10:54So, I thought I would bring that to you on Paranormal in the News this week
11:00because what else is more weird and paranormal than the Vice President dismissing mountains of evidence
11:08and suggesting that, no, no, no, that can't be right.
11:14My religious views have to be.
11:18Interesting perspective.
11:21And one that is going to be a continuing battle.
11:25So, but tonight's guest is a very interesting and honored guest.
11:35Vic Cundiff is known for his expertise on all things Dogman.
11:40But along with that, lots of knowledge having to do with Bigfoot, Sasquatch,
11:46various cryptid animals and cryptid mysteries around the world.
11:52And we don't have a lot of guests come on our show.
11:55And I'm honored to have Mr. Vic Cundiff with us this evening.
12:00Vic, are you out there with us?
12:02Hey, Jack. I sure am.
12:04Thanks for having me.
12:05Excellent.
12:06Thank you for coming on the show.
12:08We're honored to have you.
12:09And we're excited that you're here.
12:13Oh, you're welcome.
12:14Let me correct you, though.
12:16It's awfully nice of you to give me those glowing compliments,
12:18calling me, talking about my expertise.
12:20But there are no experts when it comes to Dogman.
12:24We're just trying to do what we can, the best we can,
12:27to learn what we can about them.
12:30But, yeah, there are no experts.
12:31But I do appreciate the kind words, though.
12:33It's awfully nice of you.
12:34Thank you, nonetheless.
12:37Absolutely. Fair enough.
12:38But I guess in the world of cryptos,
12:40there are people that have lots and lots of exposure
12:44to the phenomenon and the mystery through their work.
12:47And then there are people out there in the world
12:50that have very little exposure.
12:51I would put you on the side of lots and lots of exposure.
12:57So we can learn from you, I think.
13:00And I'm excited to hear what you've been up to lately
13:05and any new projects, how the channel is going,
13:10and any current really exciting reports that you have to share with us.
13:18Well, no new projects.
13:20I don't get into projects, though.
13:22I just try to keep up.
13:23I mean, not only do I produce four podcasts,
13:27two Dogman-themed podcasts and two Sasquatch-themed podcasts,
13:32the girl that brought me to the dance is helping Dogman Eyewitnesses
13:36come to terms with their traumatic encounters.
13:39Some Dogman Eyewitnesses, they just want to be a guest
13:42on Dogman Encounters radio, and that's fine.
13:44But the main reason why I do what I do is to try to help Dogman Eyewitnesses
13:48who are traumatized come to terms with their experiences
13:52and get their lives back,
13:54which were unfortunately derailed by experiences
13:58they never asked to have.
14:00So I just feel so lucky, so blessed to be in a position
14:04to be able to help them with that.
14:05I just feel like the richest man in the world.
14:07I really do.
14:08Every time I talk with the Dogman Eyewitnesses,
14:10at the start of the conversation,
14:12they're just, some of them are just wrecked.
14:15And then normally by the time we finish the conversation,
14:19they're in a pretty good place.
14:21Not healed, not cured, but they're on their way,
14:25it would appear, to being eventually in a good place.
14:29And yeah, the feeling I get when I have that happen,
14:33I can't even do it justice.
14:35It's just amazing.
14:38Yeah, that's phenomenal.
14:39And that's the bright side of the work that, you know,
14:45researchers do is helping people that have been traumatized
14:49by paranormal phenomenon, in this case,
14:53cryptid activity, and have that really affect their lives.
14:58And then you'd be able to provide some sort of context of,
15:03you know, support for that.
15:06Let them know they're not alone.
15:07I think that's absolutely fabulous.
15:10I remember being interviewed on your show many years ago
15:14when you first started out.
15:16And that was very awesome.
15:20I enjoyed the whole time.
15:22And I think we talked about the Lakewood Lichen case
15:26that J.C. Johnson and I investigated
15:29outside of Denver, Colorado at that time.
15:33And that witness was also traumatized quite a bit.
15:37And I think that's kind of the hallmark, don't you,
15:39that people that have had real experiences
15:44sometimes or more often go on to make
15:47kind of profound life changes because of it.
15:50Have you found that to be true?
15:53Sometimes, yes.
15:55Sometimes they don't respond in ways that you'd expect at all.
15:58Sometimes they respond 180 degrees away
16:03from the direction that you would expect them to have to take.
16:07So one of the things I learned pretty early on was
16:11you really don't know what to expect
16:13when it comes to a lot of the things
16:15to do with people seeing dogmen.
16:18You really don't.
16:18Other than the fact that a lot of these people
16:21feel like they're in a prison with no walls
16:23because, unfortunately,
16:25when you have an experience like that,
16:27when you don't know that there are people out there
16:28who have dedicated their lives
16:30to helping eyewitnesses, dogmen eyewitnesses,
16:33you don't know who to talk to.
16:35You wouldn't think there'd be anyone
16:36you could talk to.
16:38And then a lot of these people,
16:39they find out the hard way
16:40that if they try to reach out
16:42to their significant others,
16:43if they reach out to family members
16:46in almost every case,
16:47they just wind up being the punchline
16:49at family get-togethers.
16:51So it really is like living in a prison with no walls.
16:55One of the things I use
16:57as one heck of a helpful tool
16:58is Dogmen Encounters Radio
17:00because it just exposes
17:02how common of a phenomenon
17:05seeing a dogman is.
17:07And by exposing these eyewitnesses to that,
17:10all of a sudden they go from feeling like,
17:12in a lot of cases that is,
17:14feeling like they're the only person in the world
17:16who's been made to bear such an experience
17:18to all of a sudden,
17:19well, wow, I'm listening to this guy
17:22and he doesn't live all that far from me.
17:24Or this person over here
17:26has got something in common with me.
17:27They had an encounter that's pretty close
17:29to the one I had
17:30and so on and so forth.
17:32So, yeah, the show was one heck of a powerful tool
17:36to help these eyewitnesses come to terms
17:38with their experiences.
17:39Now, I mean, you've got some
17:41where it doesn't really do much good for them,
17:43but they're not all that traumatized anyway.
17:46But I'm so glad that I have that tool
17:49and that in some cases it is so useful.
17:54Absolutely.
17:55And what overall impression do you get
18:01having talked to that many,
18:06I take it probably hundreds of Dogman witnesses
18:09at this stage,
18:12what's your overall impression
18:14of the nature of the species itself?
18:18Is it, are we looking at an emergent species?
18:23Are we looking at a species that is interdimensional?
18:30Are we looking at something that is like
18:33a laboratory chimera of some kind?
18:37What direction do you generally think
18:41that this, all of this is leading us into?
18:44Well, instead of speaking with hundreds of eyewitnesses,
18:48Dogman eyewitnesses,
18:49since speaking with my first eyewitness in 2007,
18:52I've literally spoken with between 5,000 and 6,000
18:56Dogman eyewitnesses now.
18:58As I've said in some shows before,
19:00I don't bat an eye.
19:01If I have three, four brand new Dogman reports
19:04come in in one day from eyewitnesses
19:06I've never heard from before,
19:07some days when it gets really hectic,
19:09I'll have as many as,
19:10I've had as many, I should say,
19:12as seven or eight brand new reports come in
19:14from eyewitnesses I've never heard from.
19:17So because of that ridiculously high exposure
19:20to Dogman eyewitnesses,
19:22yes, it's definitely given me the opportunity
19:24to form some pretty clear conclusions
19:27about what is the quote-unquote norm
19:30when it comes to Dogman
19:31and the encounters eyewitnesses have with them.
19:34But as far as what their origins are,
19:37when I first started doing this, Jack,
19:39I was convinced that the simplest answer
19:42must be the correct one.
19:44Well, these guys must just be animals
19:45out there in the forest
19:46that are trying to scratch out a living,
19:48pun intended.
19:50The best way they knew how,
19:51they don't have any other special abilities
19:54that we don't have.
19:55They're just animals out there,
19:57scary looking ones,
19:58but animals nonetheless out there
20:00just doing their thing.
20:01Well, you can only talk with Dogman eyewitnesses
20:05for so long before it becomes clear to you
20:08that, okay, well, if that was the case,
20:11why have I spoken with so many credible eyewitnesses
20:14who have reported things that point soundly
20:16towards the fact that what they saw
20:19must have been something that had supernatural origins?
20:24And then you talk with these credible,
20:27very credible eyewitnesses over here
20:28who report things that make you think,
20:31okay, well, from what they told me,
20:33what they encountered must have been
20:37examples of beings that were created
20:40in the laboratory.
20:40It may be a government laboratory.
20:43And then on the other hand,
20:44you talk with so many credible eyewitnesses
20:46who report seeing things,
20:48experiencing things to make you think,
20:49okay, well, the Dogman they encountered
20:51must just be flesh and blood,
20:53normal animals with no special abilities.
20:56Otherwise, if they did have special abilities,
20:58they wouldn't have been affected by this,
21:01this or that wouldn't have happened.
21:02So to land the plane,
21:04it's my firm opinion that Dogmen have several origins.
21:09You've got Dogmen that are just normal flesh and blood animals,
21:13nothing special going on with them.
21:15You've got other Dogmen with origins
21:17that make them Dogmen that are spiritual beings.
21:22You've got other Dogmen that,
21:24in my opinion,
21:25were created in a government laboratory in a test tube.
21:28And I wouldn't be surprised also
21:30if you have Dogmen that have alien origins.
21:33So, yeah, the answer,
21:36as it tends to be more complicated
21:38than you normally think about
21:40whatever you're talking about at the beginning,
21:43same thing seems to apply here.
21:46Interesting.
21:47Yeah, and I've often contemplated about
21:50the possibility that there was
21:53more than one source for Dogmen.
21:57And, you know, I'm also struck
22:03by the possible UFO linkage to the mystery.
22:10Have you had many witnesses report UFO-type activity
22:15at the same time as they encounter a Dogman?
22:19Not many at all.
22:21Not many at all.
22:22When it comes to Sasquatch,
22:24quite a few more,
22:25as far as a percentage would go,
22:28quite a few more of them
22:29have reported some kind of a connection
22:31in their experiences
22:32to alien craft
22:36or possibly even aliens.
22:38But as far as Dogmen would go,
22:40it's a very, very low percentage.
22:43In fact, I can't remember the last time
22:45I spoke with an eyewitness
22:46who reported anything
22:47where you think there might have been
22:49a connection at all.
22:50So I think it's really few and far between.
22:54Awesome.
22:55That's fascinating to hear.
22:57And we will get back to this
23:01really fascinating discussion
23:03with Vic Cundiff
23:04and the Dogman mystery
23:06right after our break.
23:12We're on radio break.
23:14Welcome in, Vic.
23:16Hey, thanks for having me.
23:18Appreciate it.
23:19Yeah, appreciate you coming on.
23:21It's great to have you on.
23:24Well, thanks for having me there.
23:26I've been wanting to reach out to you
23:27for quite a while now.
23:29It's like, wow.
23:31And then you hit me up on Facebook
23:34and I was like, wow.
23:36Yeah.
23:37Why don't you just come on Jack's show?
23:40And I'll talk to Jack
23:42and Jack's like,
23:43oh yeah, I've been on his show before.
23:45I'm sure you'll come on.
23:46And it all worked out, yeah.
23:49Yeah, that's great.
23:50Yeah, yeah.
23:51Yep, yep.
23:52Episode 8, that was almost 12 years ago
23:54because you had the first episode
23:56of Dogman Encounters, believe it or not,
23:58which this makes Jack an old man.
24:00The first episode of Dogman Encounters
24:03aired on August 22nd, 2014.
24:07Wow.
24:09Old man, for sure.
24:11I'm sorry.
24:11Don't feel too bad.
24:13I've got some ears on you still.
24:15No, do you?
24:16Well, I was telling Vic, too,
24:19that I've had all kinds of crazy cryptid stuff
24:22that's happened to me as well.
24:24They weren't dog...
24:25Well, I don't know.
24:27You know, when I told JC about
24:29what I thought I saw with Dogman,
24:31he's like, no, that's too big for a Dogman
24:33or, you know, a werewolf or whatever.
24:36He goes, that's got to be a cave bear.
24:38I'm like, okay, you're the cryptozoologist.
24:41You would know.
24:41You know, like...
24:43How big?
24:44It was huge.
24:45It probably would have went,
24:48oh, well over 1,000 pounds.
24:50It was hunting turkey.
24:51We were on our way out.
24:53This is probably about 93, 94 in Missouri.
24:58We were heading out to a missile site
25:01to change over.
25:04And we saw this thing in the field
25:06hunting turkeys.
25:07And I'm like, wow, that's pretty big.
25:11But it's...
25:12That's not a horse.
25:15And it's not a Bigfoot.
25:17It's not...
25:17You know, because Bigfoot don't have a tail.
25:20You know?
25:20And this thing had a big, long, bushy tail.
25:25But it had a really long snout.
25:29Like a dog man.
25:31And I'm like...
25:33So I'm like, have you ever encountered this before?
25:37And he goes, ah, it's got to be a cave bear.
25:39I'm like, okay.
25:41How tall was it?
25:43It didn't stand up.
25:44It was stalking turkeys in a field.
25:47And we were above it.
25:49And it was down in the valley below
25:53where we were watching it.
25:55It was...
25:56And there was just this field filled with turkeys.
26:00And this thing was just kind of creeping up on them.
26:03I'm like, man, it's going to tear these turkeys up.
26:06Oh, yeah.
26:08Well, keep in mind, Dogman could be 12 feet tall
26:10and well over 1,000 pounds.
26:12Yeah, yeah.
26:14But, you know, it just kind of caught...
26:16All four of us saw it
26:18when we were going out to the capsule,
26:19you know, to the site to change over.
26:23And that was when on our way out.
26:25And we came the same way back
26:26and we looked in the field
26:27and you could see it all tramped down and all that.
26:31Yeah.
26:32But that wasn't my first experience
26:36with cryptids.
26:37My first experience with cryptids
26:40was when I was stationed in Panama.
26:42I was in the Auto Central building,
26:46the same one that we kind of invaded
26:51during Panama
26:52and had all the police and military around it.
26:55Remember that back in the day?
26:57That was a while ago.
26:58Yeah, I was stationed in Panama at the time,
27:01but I was in one of the apartments
27:04and I had a chupacabra encounter.
27:08And he goes,
27:08chupacabra?
27:09That sounds more like, you know,
27:11a pterosaur,
27:12a big pterosaur,
27:13because it came through
27:14and it tore up.
27:15In the center of this apartment complex,
27:18it had a patio.
27:22And the whole thing had an indoor patio
27:27with, you know,
27:29the roof,
27:30no roof over it.
27:32So we could put plants
27:33and stuff like that outside.
27:35It came through
27:36and it raised all sorts of hell
27:37through it,
27:38through there.
27:39My wife at the time,
27:42she's Dominican.
27:44And, yeah,
27:45she remembered that.
27:47And she's like,
27:48oh, no,
27:49that's chupacabra.
27:50And we were scared to death.
27:51She was praying.
27:52She had the Bible and everything.
27:53It's like,
27:54but here's your countdown.
27:55I'll get to more of that.
27:57Because Nancy doesn't have a show
28:01tonight.
28:02Four,
28:03three,
28:03two,
28:04one.
28:04And you're live right now,
28:06Jack.
28:07Welcome back,
28:08everybody,
28:09to Paranormal Intelligence Agency
28:11Radio Live.
28:12I'm your host,
28:13Jack Carey.
28:13I've got a face for milk cartons
28:15and a voice for smell-o-vision.
28:17And tonight,
28:18we've got a great guest on the show.
28:19We're talking to Vic Cundiff
28:21about the amazing
28:22Dogman mystery.
28:25It is a very interesting
28:29mystery that has
28:31kind of
28:32offshoot rabbit holes
28:34to it,
28:35it seems like.
28:36And we were just
28:38discussing
28:38what
28:40I had asked Vic
28:41about
28:42a possible link
28:43to
28:43UAPs
28:45and UFOs.
28:46And,
28:48you know,
28:49Vic,
28:49it's interesting
28:50to me
28:51because I,
28:52you know,
28:53I read,
28:54have you
28:54heard of the book
28:56Skinwalkers at the Pentagon?
28:59No,
29:00never heard of that before.
29:02Okay,
29:02so there's a great book
29:04out there.
29:05It's the sequel
29:06to Hunt for the Skinwalker
29:10book,
29:11and it's what happened
29:12after Hunt for the Skinwalker
29:14out on Skinwalker Ranch.
29:17And,
29:18you know,
29:18they kept having
29:19people see
29:21these mysterious
29:23wolf-like creatures.
29:24not necessarily
29:26a dog man,
29:27but large
29:28wolf-like
29:29unexplained creatures.
29:31And there's not
29:31supposed to be
29:32any wolves
29:33at all
29:33in the Ewingta
29:34Basin,
29:35which is
29:35interesting.
29:36But,
29:37um,
29:39but come to
29:39find out
29:40all of these
29:42scientists
29:42and
29:44intelligence
29:44agents
29:45involved
29:46at Skinwalker
29:47Ranch,
29:48and there were
29:48quite a few,
29:49also
29:50became
29:51embedded
29:52in the Pentagon's
29:54UFO program,
29:56and along
29:57with it,
29:58another program
29:59known as
30:00OSAP.
30:02And OSAP
30:03was designed
30:04in order to do
30:05one thing,
30:06and that was
30:07to scientifically
30:08study
30:09the wide
30:11array
30:11of paranormal
30:12activity
30:13that was
30:13occurring
30:14in the lives
30:16of the people
30:17who were studying
30:18the UFO
30:19phenomenon.
30:20In other words,
30:21these scientists
30:22and intelligence
30:23agents would go
30:24home after a
30:25long day of
30:26working on the
30:26UFO program,
30:28and they would
30:28have, like,
30:29poltergeist
30:30activity in their
30:31house,
30:31and, like,
30:32all kinds of
30:33weird paranormal
30:34stuff happening,
30:35orbs following
30:36them,
30:37objects materializing
30:39and dematerializing
30:40right in front of
30:41them in their
30:42homes,
30:43shadow entities
30:43walking across
30:44the house,
30:46and in one of
30:46these cases,
30:48a profound
30:48cryptid
30:50encounter.
30:51It was an
30:52encounter with
30:54a dogman,
30:55and it really
30:56threw me for
30:58a loop because
30:59what they were
31:00describing is
31:01what they call
31:02the hitchhiker
31:03effect.
31:04This idea that
31:06somehow,
31:07some way,
31:08these people are
31:08becoming quantumly
31:10entangled with
31:11the phenomenon,
31:12and that it's
31:13producing other
31:14kinds of paranormal
31:15activity around
31:16them.
31:16it's very
31:17bizarre,
31:18and it's
31:18well worth
31:18the read,
31:19but my
31:21question for
31:22you is,
31:24how are we
31:25to explain
31:26this encounter
31:28where an
31:29intelligence
31:29agent,
31:30and I'm at a
31:31total loss,
31:32but they had an
31:33intelligence agent
31:34who came across
31:35an entity at
31:36Skinwalker Ranch,
31:39couldn't see it.
31:40They felt it.
31:41They were terrified
31:42by it.
31:43It was standing
31:44in front of
31:44them, this
31:45entity of some
31:46kind, and at
31:48the exact same
31:49moment this was
31:50occurring, over
31:53a thousand miles
31:54away in Langley,
31:56Virginia, outside
31:57the CIA headquarters
31:59in the quiet
31:59suburbs there
32:00where the CIA's
32:01families live,
32:03his wife goes
32:05to the sink
32:06to get a
32:07drink of
32:07water at
32:083 a.m.,
32:09looks out of
32:10the kitchen
32:10window across
32:11their property
32:13and sees a
32:14dog man
32:15propped up
32:16next to one
32:17of the trees
32:17just staring
32:18at her.
32:20It occurred
32:21instantly at
32:22the same time,
32:24and I'm
32:24wondering,
32:25is it
32:26possible,
32:27I mean,
32:28this is just
32:28where my mind
32:29goes, is it
32:29possible that
32:30what we're
32:31looking at is
32:31some sort
32:32of shape
32:33shifting
32:35entity of
32:36some kind
32:36that somehow
32:37we're just
32:38not quite
32:39understanding,
32:40and it tends
32:41to take the
32:41form of the
32:42dog man a lot.
32:43Is that
32:44something that's
32:44even possible
32:45in your mind?
32:47Well, I don't
32:48think there's
32:48anything in this
32:49crazy world
32:50that's impossible
32:51when you
32:52consider the
32:52fact that
32:53there's
32:54subatomic
32:54particles called
32:55quarks that
32:56literally wink
32:57in and wink
32:58out of existence
32:59after finding
33:00that out,
33:01which we
33:01found out
33:02recently.
33:03How can
33:03we say
33:04that anything
33:04is impossible?
33:05I think
33:06anything is
33:06possible.
33:07I've gone
33:08on the
33:08record stating
33:09that I
33:10don't believe
33:11that werewolves
33:12actually exist.
33:13There's a
33:14difference between
33:14believing or
33:16not believing
33:16and being able
33:18to say
33:18definitively that
33:19yeah, they
33:20definitely don't
33:21exist.
33:21I'll never say
33:22that werewolves
33:23don't exist.
33:24I've just gone
33:25on record saying
33:25I don't think
33:26that they exist.
33:27and I
33:28take that
33:29stance
33:29because of
33:31that whole
33:31reference to
33:32the quarks,
33:32for example.
33:33I'm not
33:34prepared to
33:35say that
33:35anything in
33:36this crazy
33:37world is
33:37impossible.
33:39And that
33:39right there,
33:40talking about
33:40the quarks,
33:41that's a
33:41perfect example
33:42why.
33:44Oh yeah,
33:45absolutely.
33:46And, you
33:47know, in my
33:48mind when I
33:49read the
33:50whole account
33:51of what had
33:51happened and
33:53the fact that
33:54they published
33:55that OSAP
33:56report about
33:56the hitchhiker
33:57effect and
33:58they listed
33:58cryptid
33:59activity as
34:00one of the
34:01things involved
34:03with the
34:04hitchhiker
34:04effect.
34:05I found that
34:06fascinating because
34:07as a, you
34:09know, cryptozoologist
34:10for 30 years
34:12out in the
34:13field doing
34:13actual
34:15investigations,
34:15I couldn't
34:16wrap my mind
34:17around the
34:18fact that
34:20here appears
34:22to be a
34:23living,
34:23breathing,
34:25you know,
34:25and sometimes
34:26bleeding,
34:27even leaving
34:28DNA behind,
34:29you know,
34:29physical trace
34:30evidence at
34:31the scene,
34:32and yet
34:32there's this
34:34whole almost
34:35interdimensional
34:37quality,
34:39it seems like,
34:40to these
34:40creatures.
34:43Did you
34:44ever know
34:45Linda Godfrey
34:47or were you
34:48able to ever
34:48interview Linda
34:49Godfrey?
34:52Uh,
34:54I don't
34:55want to
34:55answer that
34:56to say
34:58anything bad
34:59about anyone
35:00that'll make
35:00anyone look
35:01bad.
35:03Oh, sure.
35:04No, she,
35:05um, I just,
35:06I mention it
35:06because she
35:08did have a
35:09guy contact
35:10her that
35:12claimed to
35:13have some
35:13sort of
35:14government
35:14knowledge and
35:15that, um,
35:16you know, he
35:17indicated some
35:18type of
35:19non, let's
35:21just call it
35:21a non-human
35:22intelligence
35:23involved with
35:23the creation
35:24of these
35:25creatures and
35:25I found
35:26that fascinating
35:27but, but
35:30anyway, what
35:32was, what
35:33is, in
35:34your mind,
35:36the most
35:37traumatic
35:38encounter that
35:39you've ever
35:40interviewed
35:41somebody that,
35:42that have
35:42suffered through?
35:45Wow, that's
35:46kind of like
35:47it's really
35:47hard to
35:48answer that
35:49question, that
35:49would be like
35:50asking a
35:50paramedic of
35:52multiple, multiple
35:53years what the
35:54most traumatic
35:56accident scene
35:57they rolled up
35:58on was, just
35:59because I've
36:00spoken with so
36:00many eyewitnesses
36:02who've had
36:02over-the-top
36:03really traumatic
36:05experiences, it's
36:06so hard to
36:07say.
36:08Wow, that is
36:09tough.
36:10One of the
36:11most traumatic
36:11ones that has
36:12been aired on
36:13the show was
36:13where an
36:14eyewitness
36:15named Cam,
36:16unfortunately, he
36:18watched his
36:18white American
36:19bulldog be
36:21killed right
36:22before his
36:22very eyes
36:23because his
36:25dog actually
36:25saved his
36:26life from a
36:27dog man that
36:28I'm pretty sure
36:29was bent on
36:30taking his
36:31life.
36:32So, yeah, if
36:34that American
36:34bulldog wouldn't
36:35have intervened,
36:36I'm not too
36:37sure that Cam
36:38would even be
36:38here today.
36:39That ranks up
36:40there pretty high
36:41amongst some
36:42of the most
36:43traumatic
36:43encounters I've
36:44spoken with
36:44guests about,
36:45but, yeah,
36:46there have
36:47been so many,
36:47it's really
36:48hard to point
36:49to one.
36:51Yeah, that's
36:52interesting.
36:53It sort of
36:55echoes of
36:57accounts that
36:58we received
36:59over the years
37:00of hunters
37:01and people
37:02hiking with
37:03their dogs
37:04in the forest,
37:04also having
37:05them killed
37:06by a
37:07Sasquatch
37:07or a
37:08Bigfoot.
37:08have you,
37:09in your
37:10interviews,
37:11have you
37:11come across
37:12people that
37:13have had
37:14a dual
37:15encounter?
37:16Have you
37:17had people
37:17that have
37:18had Bigfoot
37:18and dog
37:19man encounters?
37:20Oh, all
37:21the time.
37:22All the time.
37:24Yeah, I'm
37:24going to
37:24interview an
37:25eyewitness for
37:26a show,
37:26actually,
37:26tomorrow afternoon.
37:28Yeah, he had
37:29one of his
37:30dog man
37:31encounters,
37:31he's had
37:31multiple.
37:33I think it
37:33was his last
37:34encounter that
37:35he had with
37:35dog men.
37:36It involved
37:36a pack of
37:37dog men
37:37and a
37:38Sasquatch
37:39came along
37:40and it
37:40was staring
37:41at the
37:41trees where
37:42this pack
37:42of dog
37:43men were,
37:44he said.
37:45So, yeah,
37:46I mean,
37:46that's just a
37:46common thing
37:47where I
37:48talk with
37:48eyewitnesses
37:49all the time
37:50who've seen
37:51both dog
37:51men and
37:52Sasquatch.
37:54Wow.
37:56Have you
37:56had any
37:57witnesses that
37:58have seen
37:59them in the
37:59company of
38:00each other?
38:01Oh, yeah.
38:02Yeah, I
38:02sure have.
38:03Now, it
38:04seems like
38:04they normally
38:05mix like
38:05oil and
38:06water, but
38:07on occasion
38:08I'll talk
38:09with a
38:09credible
38:10eyewitness
38:10report seeing
38:11them hanging
38:12out, almost
38:13buddy-buddy,
38:14if there could
38:15be such a
38:15thing between
38:16the Sasquatch
38:16and the
38:17dog man.
38:17But other
38:19times I
38:19think it's
38:20a case where
38:21the person
38:22who stumbled
38:23upon the
38:24evidence,
38:25they didn't
38:26actually see a
38:27Sasquatch with
38:28a dog man.
38:28What they saw
38:29was anecdotal.
38:31For example,
38:31they'll see
38:32Sasquatch
38:33prints with
38:34dog man
38:34prints right
38:35next to
38:35them.
38:36Well, perfect
38:37example, there
38:39was an eyewitness
38:40who contacted
38:41me years ago
38:42where they saw
38:43some small
38:44Sasquatch prints
38:45walking down
38:45this game
38:46trail, and
38:47then they
38:47saw these
38:48dog man
38:48prints that
38:49were like
38:50it appeared
38:51this dog man
38:53was walking
38:53with this
38:54juvenile Sasquatch.
38:56but it's
38:57my opinion
38:58that that
38:58dog man
38:59was actually
38:59stalking that
39:00juvenile Sasquatch.
39:02I wasn't
39:02there, I
39:03don't know
39:03for sure, but
39:04it's my opinion
39:05that's what
39:06was going
39:06on because
39:07I think
39:08dog men,
39:09they do
39:10predate on
39:12smaller Sasquatch
39:13if they get
39:14the opportunity
39:14and if the
39:15conditions are
39:16right.
39:17Right, and
39:20do you have
39:21a, well
39:23I guess an
39:24indication at
39:25all of like a
39:26ground zero
39:27for this mystery
39:28like where
39:29it's, where
39:30it started
39:31from and
39:31did it sort
39:32of, you
39:33know, spread
39:34out from
39:34there in
39:35concentric
39:35circles or
39:36how widespread
39:38are we talking
39:39about across
39:40the United
39:41States as
39:41far as
39:43people
39:44experiencing
39:44the dog
39:45man
39:46species?
39:47Oh, you're
39:48talking about
39:48phenomenon that
39:49stretches from
39:50coast to coast
39:51from border to
39:52border.
39:53It's literally
39:53all over the
39:54United States,
39:55all over the
39:56world.
39:56I've spoken
39:57with eyewitnesses
39:58from every
39:59continent in
39:59the world
40:00except for
40:00Antarctica.
40:02So, I've
40:03had guests on
40:04the show from
40:04pretty much
40:05almost every
40:05continent except
40:07Antarctica as
40:08well, but
40:08then again I
40:09talk with a
40:09lot more
40:10eyewitnesses than
40:11you're ever
40:11going to hear
40:11on the show.
40:12A lot of
40:13them are behind
40:13the scenes because
40:14they just need
40:15help.
40:16They don't have
40:16an interest in
40:17coming on the
40:17show and
40:18always stress
40:19that that's
40:19totally fine.
40:20There's never
40:21any pressure to
40:22come on and
40:22talk about an
40:23encounter.
40:26Oh, sure.
40:26Yeah, it
40:27does no good to
40:28try to pressure
40:29somebody until
40:30they're ready to
40:30talk because you
40:32probably won't get
40:33a lot of detail
40:34out of them,
40:35but have you
40:37had any military
40:38witnesses who
40:39have talked
40:41about the
40:42possibility of
40:43these things
40:43having or
40:45being near
40:45military
40:46installations,
40:47that sort of
40:47thing?
40:48Oh, all the
40:49time.
40:50Well, I can't
40:50say all the
40:51time, but
40:51yeah, the
40:53list stretches
40:54around the
40:54block multiple
40:55times.
40:56I'll just put it
40:57like that.
40:57Tons and tons
40:58of them.
40:59Yeah, I think
40:59two weeks ago,
41:01maybe three at
41:01the most, I'd
41:02a guest come
41:03on who he
41:03talked about
41:04having his
41:04encounter.
41:05Was it
41:06Sasquatch?
41:07No, he had
41:08two dogman
41:08encounters.
41:09That's right.
41:10Right behind
41:11the military
41:11base.
41:12It was an
41:12Air Force base
41:13where he was
41:13stationed.
41:14I think it
41:15was in Idaho
41:15and he just
41:16literally was
41:17right behind
41:18the base and
41:19he had one
41:20encounter one
41:21day and then
41:22not long after
41:22that at all,
41:23he had another
41:24encounter.
41:24The first
41:25encounter was,
41:26I think, at
41:27about 500 yards
41:28distance with one
41:29and then when
41:31he had the
41:31second encounter,
41:32he was just
41:32about 50
41:33feet from
41:34three dog
41:35men.
41:36So, yeah,
41:37that's not
41:38rare at all.
41:39I talk with
41:39eyewitnesses on
41:40a pretty regular
41:41basis who see
41:42these things
41:43either on a
41:44military base
41:45or right
41:46there by one.
41:48Wow, that's,
41:49yeah, and that's
41:49fascinating to me
41:50because I did
41:52quite a bit of
41:53research years
41:55ago on
41:58military
41:58personnel
41:59reporting
42:02intrusions
42:03into
42:05secret
42:06military
42:06installations
42:07by Bigfoot
42:08creatures.
42:09So,
42:10it just
42:11seems like
42:11an interesting
42:13thing and I've
42:14always wondered
42:15what was the
42:16attractant,
42:17what were they
42:17looking for,
42:18what were they
42:19hoping to find
42:20as a cryptid
42:21creature if there
42:22wasn't some
42:22sort of
42:24causal effect
42:25there that
42:25we're not
42:26quite
42:26understanding
42:27but
42:29what's your
42:30opinion on
42:31do you get
42:32reports of
42:33other kinds
42:34of cryptids
42:35as well,
42:35like flying
42:36cryptids?
42:36We've had
42:37quite a few
42:37like, you
42:39know, almost
42:39like living
42:40pterodactyl
42:41sightings.
42:42Have you come
42:42across that
42:43before?
42:44I have.
42:45Yeah, I used
42:45to produce a
42:46podcast called
42:47My Paranormal
42:48Experience and
42:49yeah, I had
42:50I think two
42:51guests come on
42:52at different
42:53times talking
42:53about seeing
42:54pterosaurs.
42:55there were
42:56other guests
42:56who came
42:57on and
42:57talked about
42:58other flying
42:59hominids and
43:00other strange
43:00entities like
43:01that, but as
43:03far as the
43:03Dogman side, I
43:04normally don't
43:05have people
43:05contact me
43:06about cryptids
43:07like that since
43:08there's so many
43:09other people
43:10and organizations
43:13to contact
43:14about things
43:14like that.
43:15I normally
43:16don't have
43:17people contact
43:18me through
43:20DogmanEncounters.com
43:21to tell me
43:22about that sort
43:23of thing.
43:24Right, and
43:26have you been
43:27able to
43:27ascertain
43:28anything about
43:28the sort
43:30of culture
43:31of the
43:31species?
43:32Do they, like
43:34Sasquatch, seem
43:35to travel in
43:36small family
43:37units?
43:37Do they
43:38migrate?
43:41Have you been
43:41able to pick
43:42up patterns of
43:43what they feed
43:43on, etc., that
43:45kind of thing?
43:46Oh, see, that's
43:47the thing.
43:47I'm not a
43:48researcher, so I
43:50don't ask
43:50questions like
43:51that.
43:52My main focus
43:53is on trying
43:53to help
43:54Dogman
43:54Eyewitnesses
43:55come to
43:55terms with
43:56their experiences
43:56and outside
43:58of that, just
43:59trying to keep
43:59up with the
44:00demands that
44:01are always
44:02going to be
44:02there when it
44:02comes to
44:03producing four
44:04podcasts, the
44:05two Dogman
44:06podcasts and
44:07the two
44:08Sasquatch
44:08podcasts.
44:09So, yeah, I
44:10don't ask
44:11questions like
44:11that that are
44:12really better
44:14reserved for
44:14researchers.
44:16Oh, sure.
44:17No, I can
44:18understand that.
44:20And I
44:21guess you've
44:21been able to
44:22ascertain
44:26number-wise,
44:27like percentage-wise,
44:29what's the
44:29number of
44:30percentage-to-percentage
44:32number of people
44:32reporting Bigfoot
44:34to Dogman?
44:35Does that seem
44:36pretty equal?
44:37Well, see, that's
44:39the thing.
44:40Those numbers with
44:41me are skewed
44:42because there's so
44:43many big Sasquatch
44:45podcasts out
44:46there, so many
44:47well-known Sasquatch
44:49researchers were.
44:50I'm not a
44:50Sasquatch guy.
44:52I'm a Dogman
44:52guy.
44:53So, yeah, I
44:55mean, I
44:55actively search
44:56for guests to
44:57come on my
44:58Sasquatch
44:59podcasts, but
45:00on the Dogman
45:01side, they
45:01find me.
45:03But, yeah,
45:05the people who
45:06contact me,
45:08the number of
45:09Dogman
45:09eyewitnesses
45:10just really,
45:11they grossly
45:12outweigh the
45:13Sasquatch
45:14eyewitnesses.
45:15Yeah, I
45:16could see, I
45:17could see why
45:18because of the
45:18popularity of
45:19your, you
45:20know, Dogman
45:21radio, you
45:23would naturally
45:24get that, you
45:25know, those
45:26people, those
45:27experiencers, but
45:30have you had
45:32eyewitnesses that
45:33have suffered a
45:34wound from one
45:35of these Dogman
45:37creatures and
45:38survived to,
45:40you know,
45:40obviously tell
45:41the tale, or?
45:43See, that's
45:44the thing, Jack.
45:45It doesn't
45:46take long at
45:46all if you
45:47sniff around
45:48YouTube.
45:49If you type
45:50in the word
45:50Dogman, you're
45:51pretty much
45:52guaranteed to
45:54stumble across
45:56a litany of
45:58Dogman attack
45:59videos.
46:00But, here's
46:01the funny thing.
46:02Like I told you
46:03at the top of
46:04the show, I've
46:04literally spoken
46:05with 5,000 to
46:066,000 Dogman
46:07eyewitnesses over
46:08the years.
46:09after speaking
46:10with so many
46:11Dogman eyewitnesses,
46:13the grand total
46:14of credible
46:14eyewitnesses I've
46:15ever spoken with,
46:17the total of
46:17credible Dogman
46:18eyewitnesses I've
46:20ever spoken with
46:21over the years
46:21since 2007,
46:23since I spoke
46:24with the first
46:25one who've ever
46:26told me about
46:28intentionally being
46:29harmed by a
46:31Dogman or
46:31Dogman they
46:32encountered, the
46:33grand total?
46:347, 8, maybe
46:359.
46:35So, if you're
46:37talking with a
46:37guy who deals
46:38with the volume
46:39I have over the
46:40years, and the
46:41number of
46:41credible eyewitnesses
46:42who've ever
46:43told me about
46:44being intentionally
46:45harmed by a
46:46Dogman they
46:47encountered is
46:48only 7 or 8 or
46:499, how is it
46:50that somebody who
46:52is probably lucky
46:53to talk with
46:56maybe 40 Dogman
46:58eyewitnesses in
46:59one year, how
47:01are they going to
47:02have every week,
47:03weekend, week out,
47:04a new Dogman
47:05attack victim.
47:07So, yeah, the
47:08danger these guys
47:09pose is really
47:12oversold.
47:14Well, you've got
47:14people who they
47:16think everything on
47:17YouTube must be
47:18true, so they
47:19listen to these
47:19shows and they
47:21think, okay,
47:22well, this
47:22presented as being
47:24a true story, so
47:25it must be true.
47:26So, they just buy
47:29into this whole
47:30idea that Dogmen
47:31are out there
47:31looking for any
47:32opportunity to rip
47:34you apart if you
47:36come into their
47:36presence, but
47:37that's why I just
47:39harp on the fact
47:41that, look, they're
47:41definitely not
47:42wired by nature
47:44to be that way.
47:46I'll never say
47:47that there aren't
47:48some deviant ones
47:49out there that
47:50are, that will
47:51rip you apart if
47:52the opportunity
47:52presents itself,
47:53but the norm
47:55definitely is not
47:56that way.
47:57And why is it that
47:58I have come to
47:59that conclusion?
48:00I didn't come to
48:01that conclusion,
48:02Jack, after taking
48:03a sample size of
48:0420 eyewitnesses.
48:06No.
48:07Thousands upon
48:07thousands of cases
48:09have given me a
48:10huge opportunity, a
48:11great opportunity,
48:13to look, to take a
48:1410,000 foot view
48:17and really get a
48:19good view of what
48:19this whole Dogmen
48:20phenomenon is all
48:21about.
48:22If after speaking
48:23with nearly as
48:24many eyewitnesses
48:25as I have, and
48:27finding that attacks
48:29are so rare, that
48:31tells me everything
48:31I need to know
48:32about what to
48:33expect if an
48:34eyewitness has an
48:35encounter with a
48:36Dogman normally.
48:38And again, normally
48:39that's the key word
48:40because again, I'll
48:41never say that
48:41that Dogmen are
48:43safe to be around.
48:44I'll never say that
48:45a Dogman would
48:47never attack someone
48:48because again, like
48:49I said, you've got
48:51deviant examples of
48:52whatever kind of
48:53critter out there.
48:54Why should Sasquatch
48:55be different?
48:56Why should Dogmen
48:56be different?
48:57I mean, you have
48:58deviant people who
48:59will kill you if
49:01the opportunity
49:01presents itself.
49:02Is that the norm?
49:04No, it's not the
49:04norm, but still you
49:06do have deviant
49:07examples and they're
49:08deviant examples
49:09because it's not
49:11the norm.
49:12I use the example
49:13of fire ants.
49:15Perfect example.
49:16If you go to
49:17Texas and put your
49:18hand down on a
49:19hundred fire ant
49:20mounds, how many
49:21times are you going
49:23to get lit up?
49:24Well, it's obvious.
49:25A hundred times out
49:26of a hundred.
49:27They're going to
49:28light you up.
49:29And why is that?
49:29It's because fire
49:31ants are wired to
49:32be that way.
49:33It's a repeatable
49:35result.
49:35Just like when
49:36scientists do
49:37tests, they look
49:39for repeatable
49:41results before
49:42they come to a
49:43conclusion.
49:43Well, it's a
49:45piece of cake to
49:46repeat those results
49:48when you put your
49:49hand on a fire
49:49ant mound to
49:51try to decide if
49:52those guys are
49:53wired to be
49:53dangerous, wired to
49:54be aggressive, if
49:56the opportunity
49:56presents itself, they
49:58most definitely
49:59are.
49:59That's why they
50:00attack every time.
50:01Well, when you're
50:02talking with a guy
50:03who's spoken with
50:04five to six
50:05thousand people who
50:07have had dogman
50:08encounters, but only
50:09seven, eight, maybe
50:10nine of those people
50:12were attacked, that
50:14tells you right there
50:15that that kind of
50:16aggression towards us
50:17is not the norm.
50:18If anyone has any
50:20kind of critical
50:21thinking skills, that's
50:23immediately evident
50:24that's the case.
50:26But too many people,
50:27again, they watch
50:28these bogus podcast
50:30episodes about the
50:32dangerous dogman
50:34that'll split your
50:35skull and gobble
50:36down your brain as
50:38soon as the
50:38opportunity presents
50:39itself.
50:41And eyewitnesses,
50:42they listen to this
50:43crap, they buy into
50:45it, they're already
50:45having a hard time
50:46dealing with their
50:47traumatic encounter,
50:48they listen to this
50:49crap, and then now
50:50I've got to talk
50:51them off the ledge.
50:52It's just really
50:53frustrating.
50:55I can see why, and
50:57there's far too much
51:00just crap that's out
51:02there on YouTube.
51:02That's why I trust
51:03your findings and
51:05stats over some
51:07random YouTube
51:08videos because you've
51:09had that kind of
51:10exposure to the
51:11eyewitnesses around
51:13the country.
51:16Before we have to
51:17go, I wanted you
51:19to kind of tell
51:20everybody where
51:21they can find you
51:22and send you an
51:25email or a
51:25communication of
51:26some kind and be
51:28able to perhaps
51:30come on your show
51:31or ask you a
51:33question, what have
51:34you.
51:34How do people get
51:36a hold of you
51:36there?
51:37Well, the easiest
51:38way, if anyone's
51:41had a dogman
51:41encounter that they
51:42want help with, I'm
51:44your guy.
51:45That's what I do.
51:45I'm not an
51:46accountant, I'm not
51:47an attorney, I'm
51:49not a mechanic.
51:51I help dogman
51:52eyewitnesses come to
51:53terms with their
51:54encounters for a
51:55living.
51:56Again, like I said,
51:57if you have had an
51:58encounter that you
51:59need help dealing
52:00with, then just
52:00please go to
52:02dogmanencounters.com
52:03and submit a
52:04report.
52:05If you submit a
52:06report, then I'll
52:07reach out to you to
52:08schedule a
52:09consultation with you
52:10so I can find out
52:11what happened and
52:12we can try to take
52:13it from there to
52:14get you back on
52:15the tracks.
52:16But if you don't
52:18need help with your
52:19encounter, if you
52:19would just like to
52:20come on Dogman
52:21Encounters Radio and
52:22share your experience
52:24or experiences as it
52:25sometimes happens with
52:26the listeners, then
52:27yeah, still just go to
52:29dogmanencounters.com and
52:31submit a report and
52:32I'll just contact you
52:33that way and we'll
52:35take it from there.
52:36Now understand, also
52:37fairly recently, about
52:39a year ago, I
52:40started publishing
52:41episodes of another
52:43Dogman podcast that
52:46features fictional
52:47stories about dogmen.
52:49That show is called
52:50Dogman Tales, T-A-L-E-S
52:54because they're tales.
52:56So if you are one of
52:58those people and there
52:59are quite a few people
53:00out there who just
53:00can't get enough of
53:01the whole Dogman
53:02topic, the whole
53:03Dogman phenomenon, for
53:05some people, the
53:06fictional side of
53:07stories is what
53:08they're after.
53:09If that's you, if
53:11you do a search on
53:12your favorite podcast
53:13platform, podcast app
53:15for Dogman Tales,
53:18again, T-A-L-E-S,
53:20then the show will
53:21pop up and you can
53:23check out the
53:24episodes that way.
53:27Well, thank you
53:28again, Vic, for
53:28coming on the show.
53:29I can't thank you
53:30enough and we'll have
53:31to have you back
53:32another time when we
53:33have more time to
53:34discuss this amazing
53:35topic.
53:36And until next week,
53:38guys, well, next
53:40week we'll be
53:40jumping down another
53:41deep, dark rabbit
53:42hole here on PIA
53:44Radio Live, and
53:46until then, I will
53:47see you guys on the
53:49radio.
54:08data.
54:08.
54:08.
54:09.
54:09.
54:09.
54:12.
54:12You
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