00:00The one who takes the weapons again says,
00:03why do they keep talking about peace,
00:04and that peace doesn't serve for anything?
00:06Why do they keep defending a peace process
00:08if that's been sent to collect?
00:09Why do they keep defending...
00:11Look at this, what you often hear,
00:15and they're going to forgive me,
00:16but a lot of people say, this is worth shit.
00:32It's very important the role of women in the North of the Cauca,
00:37because there are plans for peace,
00:38there are plans for resistance,
00:40there are plans for resilience,
00:42there are plans for saying,
00:43we don't want more war,
00:45we want peace,
00:46and that's our plan.
00:47But when one evaluates, they say,
00:48no, we've won,
00:49we really won,
00:50because we didn't have voting,
00:52today we have voting,
00:53today we have proposals,
00:54we have to follow up,
00:55so that it's going to advance.
01:10I think that the North of the Cauca
01:13is a territory that, structurally,
01:16has been codified for monoculture,
01:19for things that have to do with extractivism,
01:24with taking things out of the territories.
01:26And what role do women play?
01:28There is a fabric of the different women,
01:31there is a fabric of the different women,
01:31and there is a fabric of the Afro-Campesinas,
01:35that says,
01:37the peace without us is not possible in Colombia.
01:47need not to talk about mining.
01:52One can't talk about mining
02:06organizations like the OE, the Defensoría del Pueblo, the same
02:10entities of the state, in some committees, they think that we are giving
02:15clear information, precise and exact location to these groups
02:18and these entities, which are the ones who then send them to
02:21make arrangements or to build bases, all that.
02:47As a woman, I have had a lot of difficulties, starting from the house.
02:51To be able to measure, I have to do many, many things that I can't do
02:55right now, because I have to do the details to measure, to measure
03:00the things.
03:01Like, for example, when I studied, I had to do it, I had to do it
03:05and I had to leave it all ready for the kids, because they were younger
03:09and, obviously, the parents of them.
03:11And, of course, there is a percentage of men who belong to the social organizations.
03:17So, where you tell me, the only Consejo of Women is that we are
03:21women, but in the Consejo Territorial of Paz there are men, here
03:24in the part of the Cabildos, the majority are men, and in
03:29the PEDEP, the men were reflected.
03:31Where we, the women, said, come here, we are.
03:35For example, I learned to speak more
03:37to give me my space.
03:40Because, sometimes, one asked the word
03:41and they said, they were crazy.
03:42So, I had to learn to speak more
03:44in the spaces and say that my posture
03:47is this, or the posture that we have
03:49from the organization, or from the platform
03:51on which I come to represent.
03:53Because, sometimes, they asked me,
03:55but, you come from Afro,
03:57you come from Herpas, you come from...
03:58No, it's that here comes Sandra Peña,
04:00the EGA, and these spaces, and this is the posture
04:03that we have from those spaces in the North, for example.
04:09In the same political parties,
04:12men give them all the guarantees.
04:14They accompany them, they bring them,
04:17they offer them a lot of things.
04:20We, women, have to fight.
04:23No, you see that men give them all the support,
04:27but, we, women, are to seek us.
04:31But, at the end, one says,
04:33the vote that you get is a vote that you get
04:36is a vote that you get a conscience.
04:37It is a vote that you get
04:38because the people, the votes that you get
04:41is because the people have believed
04:42that one has those possibilities.
05:18being criticized.
05:19I doubt, yes.
05:20In fact, now more than ever.
05:23because I was sitting with people who we had talked, we had eaten, we had gone by there,
05:29and one goes with them and they go with their guardaespaldas, and they go with their clothes,
05:34and that creates a fear. And in fact, when here in the tambour
05:41it is sometimes so difficult, I have thought, for example, to stop many processes,
05:47but I came back and said, no, I can't stop. But of course, fear, yes, much, much, and more when
05:53one says the truth.
05:57The fear that is created within the leaders' families when they are threatened is like a tension.
06:03So this burden is not only for the leaders, or for the leaders, but for the rest of the family
06:07or people who are connected.
06:09In fact, they told me that to go with you is a danger, because they are aware of what moment
06:13they are going to give me a gun.
06:15When one is sitting to analyze and review, they say, well, is it worth it to go to the community
06:19if I am going to put it in danger?
06:21And it is painful. For example, my son, in the last year, in 2019, when he took me to move,
06:27he said, I don't want to move on, I don't want to move on. I don't want to know if
06:31something will happen here,
06:33all together. Things like that. And that a child of 8, 9, 10 years old is painful.
06:38Well, it's painful.
06:44I never expected a security scheme.
06:47The day that I came to that, I thought, well, this will be true.
06:50How is this?
06:52How is this?
06:53How is this?
06:53How is this?
06:54How is this?
06:55How is this?
06:55How is this?
06:56But when I start the whole exercise,
06:59I realize that this deprivation is one of the freedom that one has.
07:06Because they have to come to all parts.
07:10If you want to go to the hall, they have to stop at the door.
07:13If you are in a large event, where you move, they have to be.
07:17Because it is a responsibility for them what can happen with us.
07:21After so long, I have several reflections on that.
07:25The Colombian government does not serve the defenders as women.
07:31They serve the common and silvestre.
07:34What do I want to say?
07:35For example, for me, the first jacket that came to me was of man.
07:39And now, like, one gets tired and says,
07:41well, finally, I'm going in this, I'm going in the other.
07:45What do I want to say?
07:57La veeduría nace, crece, se reproduce y no morirá.
08:01¿Por qué?
08:02Necesitamos que lo que está escrito y lo que fue pactado
08:05y que el desgaste que las comunidades hicieron entre las asambleas vereales,
08:10municipales, regionales y municipales, no se quede más en un papel,
08:13como en una lista de mercados y de peticiones.
08:16Todo lo que quedó en los PDE de verdad son las necesidades que tenemos las comunidades
08:20en las zonas rurales y en las zonas urbanas en los territorios.
08:24Porque, por ejemplo, en el caso de Buenos Aires y de algunas zonas del norte,
08:29algunas entidades que estaban pactadas se han ido.
08:31Por ejemplo, el desminado se nos fue, en Buenos Aires el desminado se nos fue
08:35y en el capítulo étnico quedó de que la Alsacia iba a ser ordenada
08:41y iban a ser el desminado.
08:44Hoy, pues, Jailo se fue y seguimos con los grupos al margen de la ley,
08:49la gente sigue expuesta y esto no puede seguir pasando.
08:53Entonces...
08:53¿El desminado por qué se fue?
08:55Por el contexto, por amenazas.
08:59Dijimos, no, y no nos puede volver a pasar lo mismo.
09:02Y empezamos, entonces insistimos mucho.
09:05Por ejemplo, en el municipio muchos de nosotros, por ejemplo, en Toribío,
09:09hemos llamado a la ART para que nos digan cómo van,
09:13qué están haciendo, cuánto valen, en qué van los proyectos,
09:17cómo es que hay que hacerlos.
09:18Porque si nosotros mismos no nos empoderamos, si nosotros mismos no reclamamos,
09:23además que son nuestros derechos, pues nos fregamos.
09:29Entonces nos toca a nosotras mismas las comunidades organizarnos, llamar,
09:33estar pendientes, no dejar...
09:35Porque hay un equipo motor, pero si ese equipo motor no se mueve
09:42y espera solamente las directrices que le dan desde la Agencia Nacional del Territorio,
09:47pues nos vamos a quedar quietos, nos toca a nosotros.
09:54Inicialmente, ¿qué hemos encontrado?
09:55Que la ART, que es la encargada de conectarse con las comunidades,
10:01pues no está respetando los grupos motores que hay en los municipios,
10:05no está implementando lo que la gente dijo,
10:08está haciendo lo que ellos creen que deben hacer.
10:17El proyecto que tuvimos de la universidad fue algo maravilloso.
10:22O sea, porque cuando se junta la academia con lo que tú sabes
10:26y como que te validan, te da mucha alegría, mucha satisfacción.
10:32Inicialmente nos estamos formando donde ha estado Remis, Avina y Javeriana,
10:38porque no podemos ir a hacer veeduría de lo que no sabemos cómo se hace,
10:42cuál es el procedimiento, cómo es que se solicita la información,
10:46cómo se transmite la comunicación a las comunidades que son dueñas de esos PD.
10:52Lo que no queremos es que se nos involucre lo que está sucediendo,
10:56el presupuesto que tiene el municipio como tal que le manda a la nación
11:02y que aparezca como obra PD.
11:05Eso queremos que sea desligado, porque si hemos estado viendo
11:07que los municipios tienen en sus planes de desarrollo alcantarillado,
11:12pero entonces ahorita quieren hacer esa alcantarilla
11:14y meterlo como una obra PD.
11:15Eso no puede suceder, las obras PD son obras PD.
11:18Que pueden ir de la mano, claro, si el alcalde tiene 50 pesos
11:22y en las obras PD vienen otros 50, son 100 pesos y vamos a poder avanzar más.
11:28Pero no nos pueden hacer pasar los 50 pesos que tiene el alcalde
11:31con los otros 50 que se van a hacer.
11:41Para nosotros quienes vivimos todos los efectos de la guerra,
11:47sabemos la bendición que es un proceso de paz,
11:51porque el proceso de paz nos dio en su momento tranquilidad,
11:55el proceso de paz nos dio posibilidades de avanzar,
11:59el proceso de paz hizo que no escucháramos el sonido de las bombas.
12:02A nosotros que en varias oportunidades nos tumbaron los negocios,
12:07a mucha gente le tumbaron sus casas, los incendios,
12:11los secuestros, las masacres, las muertes,
12:14todo lo que te conlleva la guerra,
12:18entonces hace que quienes hemos vivido ese panorama,
12:23decimos la mejor salida,
12:26lo mejor que le puede pasar a este país
12:29son la solución negociada de los conflictos.
12:31Es indiscutible.
12:34Si hablamos, nos matan.
12:36Y si no hablamos, también.
12:38Entonces mejor hablemos,
12:40porque en este país tiene que conocerse la verdad.
12:43La verdad.
12:43La verdad.
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