00:00What was the case of the Captain Gordillo?
00:06You can discover part of what was happening
00:10and you can advance in the process
00:12that quickly gave the confession of the Captain Gordillo
00:15that was the official at the command of
00:17at least two units of the ejército of Vélez.
00:23The national government,
00:26along with the 17 Brigade,
00:28they solicit money for paramilitarists
00:31to pay false witnesses.
00:34The paramilitarists put the resources
00:36and the ejército takes to Bogota some false witnesses
00:39that are presented to the Fiscalía and the Diplomatic Corps
00:42and they say that it was a massacre
00:46committed by the FARC
00:47in an adjustment of accounts with the community of peace
00:49and that determines that the community of peace
00:52that they have already planned
00:54and that they have already planned
00:54and that they have completely broken
00:56with the state and the administration of justice.
00:58A decision that I,
01:00despite being a lawyer,
01:01I see not only with an ethical degree,
01:04but legitimate,
01:05because there was no response.
01:08After that,
01:09in an exercise of support,
01:10of a professional of rights
01:13named Jorge Molano
01:14and Gloria Cuartas,
01:16ex-alcaldess of Apartado,
01:18there is a support to the Fiscalía,
01:21a fiscal who took the reins,
01:24who tried to accompany him,
01:25who was threatened,
01:26who was arrested,
01:27who was not supported by the same Fiscalía,
01:29but finally presented an accusation
01:30against 10 military officers,
01:32of which they were assaulted in the first place,
01:36only four of them were condemned in the second place.
01:38We presented the accusation
01:40in the year 2012,
01:43if I don't miss my memory,
01:44in September of 2012,
01:48and seven years later,
01:51the last year,
01:53the sentence of the Supreme Court of Justice
01:55where they condemn all,
01:57the commander of the battalion,
01:58the chief of operations of the battalion,
02:00the commanders of the companies
02:03Anzuategui I, Anzuategui II
02:04and Bolívar I,
02:06and other commanders of the battalion.
02:09And so,
02:11the Fiscalía General of the Nation
02:12had advanced against two commanders
02:15of the brigade,
02:16the generals Fandiño and Zapata,
02:17and four coronels,
02:19three of the brigade
02:20and another commander of another battalion,
02:22the coronels Acosta,
02:23Sely,
02:25Castaño
02:27and Duque,
02:29but finally,
02:33the fiscal Montalegre
02:35and Néstor Humberto Martínez
02:36congelan the investigations.
02:39There is a decision in this country
02:41of not to touch military command.
02:43This is a structural issue,
02:44a military issue
02:46of our administration of justice.
02:48And,
02:48with the entry
02:49to the law of peace,
02:51the FBI ends up having
02:53the excuses
02:53to not process them.
02:55The process
02:56seemed to die
02:57in the FBI
02:57and, in fact,
02:58in the law of peace,
03:00the law of peace
03:01is offered
03:02a number of benefits
03:03without any support.
03:05I do not believe
03:06in the explanation,
03:07because the truth is
03:07that here is extremely clear
03:09the fact,
03:10but the recognition
03:11of responsibility
03:12by the condemned.
03:13The law of peace
03:15is not a military justice
03:19We do not have
03:19an independent justice
03:20and autonomous justice.
03:22I believe
03:22that these new jurisdictions
03:24and I believe
03:25that part of these new mechanisms
03:26that have been created
03:28from a little
03:30have been contagious
03:30from this military.
03:32These are things
03:32like the connection
03:34of people who come
03:36from the military justice
03:37saying that
03:38that is also justice,
03:39something that is not true,
03:40but also things
03:41like, for example,
03:44the reservism
03:45in the actions.
03:47When we are in the
03:48ordinary decisions
03:49against the military
03:49we have to protect,
03:51we do not allow
03:51to spread images
03:53or express situations.
03:55And the same
03:55happens in the
03:56special jurisdiction
03:56for the peace.
03:57You just have heard
03:58that in the military
04:00in the case of
04:01false positives
04:02there is a
04:03exemption of
04:05safeguarding
04:05the versions
04:06that in a process
04:07of transitional justice,
04:09restorative justice,
04:09the truth
04:11is absurd.
04:12Well,
04:13they are repeating
04:14what is already happening
04:15in the ordinary.
04:16This should be
04:17public knowledge.
04:18The majority
04:19of the military
04:20that are coming
04:21to the JEP
04:21are receiving
04:22money from the army,
04:24money from the
04:24money from the
04:24army.
04:25And the other
04:28element
04:29that is not
04:30said,
04:31but that is
04:31a lot of
04:33is the
04:34closing.
04:34The transitional justice
04:35is to
04:36that this
04:37is not
04:37again
04:37to speak.
04:38the
04:39country
04:39in 10 years
04:40to speak
04:40for
04:40to speak
04:41to speak
04:45The conflict
04:46is a problem
04:47of the past
04:48that we have
04:49closed the door.
04:51What is
04:51the way
04:52to speak?
04:56In some countries
04:57they have worked
04:58better than others.
05:00What happened
05:01in Colombia
05:01is incredibly
05:02innovative.
05:03under the
05:06centralization
05:07of victims
05:07and restorative justice.
05:12A restorative justice
05:13centered
05:14in Chapinero
05:16in Bogotá
05:17with very limited
05:18territorial scenarios
05:19I will show you
05:20an example.
05:21The version
05:21of Mario Montoya
05:22that just happened
05:24didn't have
05:25any possibility
05:25that the families
05:27of the whole country
05:28who were
05:29victims of
05:30execution
05:31in a false false
05:32or in a false
05:33operation
05:35could
05:36access
05:37to this type
05:37of things.
05:38And it continues
05:38to be a
05:39hidden truth
05:39in the case
05:42of the public
05:43reparations
05:44are of
05:45immaterial.
05:45That is,
05:46painting a mandala,
05:47excuse me,
05:47a tree
05:48and it seems
05:51a bit sarcastic
05:52to say,
05:53but what will
05:54happen?
05:55It will be very difficult.
05:57Some military
05:57will have
05:58more resources
05:59and they will
05:59make a job
06:01that they themselves
06:02will dictate,
06:03a psychosocial
06:04and the recognition
06:06and the transformation
06:07of the situation
06:08of the victims
06:09is not
06:09because
06:10this or any
06:12jurisdiction
06:13do not have
06:13the ability
06:14to transform
06:14poverty
06:15and because
06:17the state
06:17and the national government
06:18will be more
06:19isolated
06:20from these discussions.
06:21What is
06:23the case
06:24of the police?
06:26In a year,
06:29the same
06:29brigade
06:30that did
06:30the act
06:31tutel
06:32was a
06:32community
06:32and the
06:33judge
06:35the second
06:36municipal
06:37municipal
06:39who
06:44censored
06:45the community
06:45and prohibited
06:46to present
06:46any type of
06:47public
06:47against the
06:48brigade
06:48indicating their
06:49tolerance to the
06:51paramilitary structures
06:51that are held today.
06:53It is the
06:55world
06:55the opposite
06:55and the justice
06:57does not
06:58end up
06:59to this type of
07:00case.
07:06What is the problem
07:07is the prison
07:08and I think
07:09the victims
07:10have also clear
07:11that this is not a problem
07:12to add years of prison.
07:13This is a topic
07:14that
07:15can be told
07:16to all the responsible
07:17in a way
07:18in the framework
07:19of a due process
07:21that they were
07:21and why they were
07:24and that
07:25the society
07:26can be known.
07:27It is to say
07:27that there are serious
07:27judgments
07:28against everyone,
07:30against the
07:31maximum,
07:31the medium
07:32and the low
07:33and that we can
07:35say that in the face.
07:37of the
07:38the
07:38people
07:40who are
07:41equal to
07:42and that
07:42cannot be
07:42You
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