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The Last Word with Lawrence ODonnell - Season 13 - Episode 14
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00:00Donald Trump did not just humiliate himself today on a world stage.
00:04He humiliated the United States of America.
00:08And while he was at it, he humiliated much of the American news media
00:12and almost all of the Washington news media
00:14who took Donald Trump's childish and empty threats about Greenland seriously.
00:21Viewers of this program have known from the start
00:24that the Greenland thing was a Trump joke, a Trump diversion.
00:27It was never worthy of real news coverage.
00:31And today, the American news media finally figured out
00:35when Donald Trump surrendered in the war that he was never going to fight.
00:41I never cared how many American reporters were sent to Greenland
00:45over the last few months to get the Greenland perspective on Donald Trump's madness.
00:48I never cared how many TV correspondents were there.
00:52I didn't care how many foreign policy experts wanted to warn us on television and elsewhere
00:56that a Trump invasion of Greenland would be the end of NATO
00:59because I knew and everyone should have known
01:02that Donald Trump was lying about the whole thing.
01:06The rule-out question is one of the laziest White House correspondents' favorite questions.
01:14And their favorite version of that question is asking a president,
01:17will you rule out using force?
01:21And with all presidents not named Donald Trump,
01:24that could sometimes be an okay question, sometimes even a good question.
01:29But with Donald Trump, it's a joke.
01:32And Donald Trump treats it as a joke, but the reporters don't get the joke.
01:37And so, no, Donald Trump wouldn't rule out using force to seize Greenland
01:41because if he did, he knew the Washington press corps would drop the story right there.
01:47And so Donald Trump, in desperate need of a diversion from the Epstein files,
01:50Donald Trump, in desperate need of a diversion from the inflation he has created
01:55with his illegal and unconstitutional tariffs,
01:58Donald Trump, in desperate need of a diversion from his decision
02:01to take health insurance away from millions of people this year,
02:06grabbed his old Greenland gimmick and gave it another try.
02:11And the press fell for it.
02:13Donald Trump has been talking about taking Greenland for six and a half years,
02:18and he has never once meant a single word of it,
02:22and that has always been obvious.
02:24And yesterday, when the stock market crashed
02:27because investors believed Donald Trump was actually going to impose
02:32more insane, unconstitutional, and illegal tariffs on Europe because of Greenland,
02:39Donald Trump knew the game was up.
02:41Stock market crash.
02:43That had to be the end of the game.
02:44Donald Trump knew exactly how to send that stock market back up today,
02:48and he did that at the World Economic Forum in Davos by saying,
02:52quote,
02:53I won't use force.
02:56And when he said that, the headline writers jumped into action as if suddenly it were news
03:03that the most powerful country in the world is not going to invade Greenland.
03:08It was news to everyone who couldn't figure out that there was no chance of the United States of America
03:16ever,
03:17even with Donald Trump as president, invading Greenland.
03:20Donald Trump said, I won't use force so that the stock market would go back up, which it immediately did.
03:27But he still wanted to sound tough.
03:30So he also demanded ownership.
03:33That was his word, ownership of Greenland.
03:36Ownership.
03:36That, of course, will never happen because Denmark and Greenland would somehow have to decide through some sort of negotiation
03:45that will also never happen to give or sell Greenland to Donald Trump,
03:50which will never happen.
03:52And so the story should die today.
03:54Finally, it should die.
03:56The press corps should wake up and begin to develop a bit of an instinct about what Donald Trump is
04:02serious about, which is very little.
04:04He is deadly serious about allowing ICE agents to do whatever they want to do on the streets of America,
04:12including shooting and killing unarmed women in their cars after they drop their kids off at school.
04:17Donald Trump knows that that story isn't playing well in most of America.
04:22So Greenland was also being used as a Trump diversion from the out-of-control behavior of Donald Trump's invasion
04:28forces in Minneapolis.
04:30And so all those correspondents in Greenland can now go back to Minneapolis, where Donald Trump really is conducting an
04:39invasion.
04:41CNBC's Joe Kernan was the lucky one to land an interview with Donald Trump after his big speech.
04:46And in that interview, Donald Trump tried and failed to make news.
04:50Donald Trump told the obvious lie that he negotiated what he called a concept of a deal on Greenland,
04:59just like he had a concept of a health care plan all during his first term as president and never
05:06revealed that concept.
05:08Joe Kernan got the important clarification about Donald Trump's threatened illegal tariffs against Europe over Greenland,
05:15and that is that those tariffs have now disappeared in a Trump cloud of magic smoke.
05:24They're gone.
05:26And that is what Wall Street really wanted to hear today.
05:32Some of the nervousness we had in the last couple of days, the tariffs are off, nothing happens on February
05:371st?
05:37No, we took that off because it looks like we have pretty much a concept of a deal.
05:42A deal of ownership, a deal?
05:44Well, it's a little bit complex, but we'll explain it down the line.
05:47But the Secretary General of NATO and I and some other people were talking, and it's the kind of a
05:55deal that I wanted to be able to make.
05:56Where does Denmark, did they weigh in on what they want, what they would agree to?
06:01Well, I assume they did because he very much represents, he's a strong leader.
06:06Mark, you know Mark, and I assume he's been speaking to them.
06:11He's been speaking to all of them.
06:14Okay, a couple of things here.
06:16Donald Trump obviously has no concept of a deal, and the Secretary General of NATO, who is the only person
06:23Donald Trump claims he talked to about this,
06:25has no authority and would never dare to participate in a deal discussion about Greenland and Denmark or any other
06:32countries.
06:32As the Washington Post put it today, quote,
06:35Rutter is not empowered to negotiate the transfer of territory from one NATO member to another.
06:42Joe Kernan smartly asked what Denmark had to say about it, and you heard Donald Trump reveal there that he
06:49didn't dare talk to anyone from Denmark about it.
06:53Flew across the ocean, there he was in Switzerland, could have talked to Denmark, could have talked to anyone about
06:59it.
06:59He was afraid to.
07:00He didn't.
07:01And then there is the classic Trump diversion statement in the middle of his ramble about his concept of a
07:08deal.
07:08He said, quote, we will explain it down the line.
07:13No, he won't.
07:15Remember, we are still waiting for the Melania press conference about her immigration status when she entered the United States,
07:23which Donald Trump promised 10 years ago.
07:28They said my wife, Melania, might have come in illegally.
07:32Can you believe that one?
07:34No, no, no.
07:35They said headlines.
07:37Maybe she came in illegally.
07:39Maybe.
07:40Let me tell you one thing.
07:41She has got it so documented.
07:43So she's going to have a little news conference over the next couple of weeks.
07:46That's good.
07:46That's good.
07:48I love it.
07:49I love it.
07:52We're still waiting for that news conference.
07:55It's supposed to happen in a couple of weeks.
07:57It's been 10 years.
07:59The Trump-Greenland diversion should end now.
08:03The news media should drop out of this ridiculous pursuit.
08:08The American news media should learn their lesson.
08:12Taco is trending again today on social media.
08:15The Wall Street coined phrase, Trump always chickens out.
08:19They've used it in relation to the Trump tariffs, the worst and most insane of the Trump tariffs that Donald
08:24Trump has chickened out of, as Wall Street puts it.
08:27Taco is trending because Donald Trump once again backed down from his latest tariff threat against Europe, which this time
08:33was over Greenland.
08:35Donald Trump always tries to find a way to sound tough while he is, as the phrase goes on Wall
08:42Street, chickening out.
08:43And so today, he sunk into a deep hallucination in front of the world and lied in every word he
08:52said about an invented conversation with French President Emmanuel Macron.
08:57The proof of Donald Trump's unalterable stupidity is his inability to learn.
09:04And the proof of the pathology of Donald Trump's lying is that he has no capacity to understand that everyone
09:10in that audience today that he was lying to knew that he was lying.
09:15That's what makes it pathological.
09:17A liar who can still think is always doing the calculation about, can I get away with this lie?
09:25And sometimes they decide not to lie because it won't work.
09:28But a pathological liar has to lie and is incapable of doing the calculation of whether his lie is believable.
09:38The 25th Amendment to remove the president from office would be invoked for anyone other than Donald Trump after his
09:45hallucinated conversation with Emmanuel Macron today,
09:48which was also completely wrong on the policy point Donald Trump was trying and failing to make with that hallucination.
10:00It began with this.
10:03Under my most favored nation policy for drug prices, the cost of prescription drugs is coming down by up to
10:1190 percent, depending on the way you calculate.
10:14You could also say five, six, seven, eight hundred percent.
10:18No, you cannot say that.
10:20It is impossible for a price to come down more than 100 percent.
10:25When a price comes down 100 percent, Donald, we're going to say this again.
10:29The price becomes zero.
10:32There is no price below zero, Donald.
10:37Imagine how many times his teachers tried to tell him that.
10:40But Donald Trump alone in that room today is the only person there who doesn't know that.
10:46He doesn't know that arithmetic, that basic arithmetic.
10:49Donald Trump is the only graduate of the University of Pennsylvania who does not know that a price cannot come
10:56down more than 100 percent.
10:58Everyone at the University of Pennsylvania knew that in 1749 when Benjamin Franklin established the University of Pennsylvania.
11:08So one of the biggest things that I've done is the fact that we have now most favored nation.
11:13We will pay whatever the lowest prices in the entire world.
11:18So our drug prices are going to be coming down by staggering 90 percent.
11:23Again, you could say a thousand percent, two thousand percent.
11:29Donald Trump fails an intelligence test every time he speaks publicly, every single time.
11:38And he did again today.
11:40There is no most favored nation plan for American drug prices.
11:45Donald Trump claims there is and issued an announcement, just an announcement last year, claiming he has agreements, secret agreements,
11:53with pharmaceutical companies to charge Americans whatever is the lowest paid price in the world for any drug.
12:00Not one word of that agreement has been made public and not one drug price has declined in America because
12:07of it.
12:08Donald Trump then proved that he doesn't understand how most favored nation pricing would work if it did exist for
12:18American pharmaceutical consumers.
12:20Donald Trump stupidly believes that the way for the United States to pay the lowest price in the world for
12:26drugs is for other countries to raise the price of their drugs.
12:33That is not how it's supposed to work.
12:36The only thing that is supposed to happen is that the high price is supposed to go down to the
12:42lowest price, which is supposed to stay where it is.
12:45But Donald Trump isn't even pretending that he can even understand what his plan is supposed to do.
12:53Because he doesn't understand what his non-plan is supposed to do, he made up a conversation with the president
13:00of France in which he forced the president of France
13:03to raise drug prices to raise drug prices in France, something no politician would ever do.
13:08And, oh, by the way, something that is impossible for the president of France to do.
13:14But Donald Trump, in his publicly disintegrating brain today, believed that he found the way to sound tough about something.
13:26So when I called up Emmanuel Macron, I watched him yesterday with those beautiful sunglasses.
13:35What the hell happened?
13:41But I watched him sort of be tough.
13:46But he was at $10 for a pill.
13:50Emmanuel, and I said, Emmanuel, and I have all the big pharmaceutical companies are in total agreement.
13:56It wasn't easy, by the way.
13:57They're tough, smart.
13:59They've been getting away with the scam for a long time.
14:02But they gave it up.
14:04But they said, you'll never get the countries to approve it.
14:06I said, why is that?
14:07Because they won't.
14:08They always said, we're not paying any more.
14:10Get the rest for the United States.
14:12So over the years, they stayed the same.
14:13We just went up, up, up.
14:15And I mean, we would pay 13, 14, 15 times more than certain countries would.
14:20So I said, no, they'll approve it 100 percent.
14:23Sir, you'll never get them to approve it.
14:25I said, I guarantee you.
14:27OK, pardon me.
14:28I really don't want to interrupt him in mid-hallucination.
14:32But Donald Trump has no idea that socialists like Bernie Sanders have been trying to control
14:36the price of prescription drugs in America for all of Donald Trump's lifetime.
14:41And Republicans have said, absolutely not.
14:45Must not do that.
14:47Donald Trump doesn't know that the more socialistic countries of Europe, and virtually every country
14:51in the world, controls drug prices.
14:53Their governments control the price.
14:55They set the price and control it.
14:57And that's why the drug prices are low in those countries.
15:01Democrats have done everything they can over decades in legislation to try to control drug
15:08prices and have been opposed by Republicans every single step of the way.
15:14And Joe Biden managed to have a major breakthrough on prescription drug prices for Medicare, forcing
15:22the pharmaceutical companies to negotiate their prices down by law.
15:27That's in law.
15:29That's in law.
15:29But most drug prices still in this country don't come close to being regulated.
15:35And other Democratic presidents have also tried and mostly failed to get price regulation
15:42on drugs in this country.
15:44And every Republican in Congress and every Republican president has opposed that.
15:52And I said, Emmanuel, you're going to have to lift the price of that pill to $20, maybe $30.
16:01Think of that.
16:02That means it's a doubling, a doubling of prescription drugs.
16:08Might be a tripling, might be a quadrupling.
16:10It's not easy.
16:12No, no, no, Donald, I will not do that.
16:14I said, yes, you will, 100%.
16:17He said, no, no, no, you're asking me to double.
16:22I said, Emmanuel, you've been taking advantage of the United States for 30 years with prescription
16:27drugs.
16:28You really should do it.
16:30And you will do it.
16:31I have no doubt.
16:33In fact, I am 100% sure you're going to.
16:35No, no, no, I will not do it.
16:39Everyone in that audience knows that he was hallucinating and hallucinating a lie.
16:45So back to Donald Trump claiming he told the president of France that he would have to
16:49increase the French price of pharmaceuticals.
16:53Imagine, just imagine, telling a politician anywhere, hey, I want you to raise the price
17:00of drugs in your country.
17:02That is an insane political proposition on its face.
17:08Here's the Trump version.
17:11I said, Emmanuel, you're going to be doubling or tripling.
17:14No, no, no.
17:15I said, here's the story, Emmanuel.
17:17The answer is you're going to do it.
17:19You're going to do it fast.
17:20And if you don't, I'm putting a 25% tariff on everything that you sell into the United
17:25States and a 100% tariff on your wines and champagnes.
17:30And that's about 10 times more than what I'm requesting.
17:34And you're going to do it.
17:35I don't want to go public with it.
17:36But you may make me do that.
17:38No, no, Donald, I will do it.
17:41I will do it.
17:43It took me, on average, three minutes, a country, saying the same thing.
17:49You will do it.
17:50But they all said, no, no, no, I will not do it.
17:53You're asking me to double the cost of prescription.
17:56I said, that's right, because you've been screwing us for 30 years.
18:04And they said, we will not do it.
18:06I said, that's all right.
18:08On Monday morning, we're putting a 25, 30, 50.
18:12I gave different numbers for different countries.
18:20Donald Trump claims he wants the United States to have the lowest drug prices in the world.
18:24But at the same time, he claims he wants to raise the lowest drug price in the world.
18:29He wants France and other countries to raise their lower drug prices so that the United States
18:33only has to match a much higher lowest drug price.
18:39The man had absolutely no idea what he was saying.
18:43One second of that lying hallucination had no idea what was coming out of his mouth.
18:53Those three-minute deals he claims he made, just describing that one hallucination with the president of France
19:00took him more than three minutes.
19:02His ignorance is getting bigger.
19:06Knowledge is actually the antidote to ignorance.
19:09Ignorance gets reduced through knowledge.
19:11But Donald Trump is uneducable.
19:16Donald Trump hears the phrase, most favored nation, has no idea what it means,
19:23throws it into a hallucination about drug prices, has no idea how they work,
19:28and thinks he's somehow doing Americans a favor by convincing the French president
19:33to raise the cost of drugs, which would in effect raise the cost of drugs around the world
19:38and raise the cost of drugs from what would have been a lower price for Americans.
19:45The French government actually put out a statement, complete with Donald Trump's favorite phrase,
19:50fake news.
19:51The statement says, quote,
20:10In the middle of Donald Trump's dazed and confused incoherence today, he said one of his favorite phrases.
20:15He said, I'll be honest with you.
20:18He throws that in from time to time.
20:21That's something you've never heard me say on this program.
20:25As someone who cares about words and their meaning, to me, it would mean that whenever I don't say it,
20:31that I'm not being honest with you.
20:35And whenever Donald Trump says, to be honest with you, what he says next is never honest.
20:42The impulse to say, I'll be honest with you, comes from his pathological lying.
20:47It is a trademark line of lying salesmen like Donald Trump.
20:52Imagine, imagine a president of France having to respond to the hallucinations of a madman.
20:57Imagine leaders of countries around the world having to deal with that madman in one way or another for the
21:04next three years.
21:05It was Republican President Gerald Ford who used the phrase long national nightmare to describe the corrupt presidency of Richard
21:14Nixon,
21:14who chose Gerald Ford as vice president after Nixon's first vice president pleaded no context to tax evasion.
21:23The presidency of Richard Nixon was a long national nightmare.
21:29But the presidency of Donald Trump is worse, much worse.
21:35He is the world's nightmare now.
21:40Congressman Brendan Boyle will join us after this break.
21:48Standing in front of an audience of the richest people in the world today in Switzerland,
21:53some of whom know a thing or two about economics.
21:56Donald Trump admitted he has no idea how to make housing affordable for the people who could not afford to
22:05be in that room today.
22:09Now, if I want to really crush the housing market, I could do that so fast.
22:13People could buy houses.
22:15But you would destroy a lot of people that already have houses.
22:19In some cases, they've mortgaged their house, and the mortgage would be very low.
22:25And all of a sudden, the mortgage, without any changes, becomes very high, and they end up losing the house.
22:32Joining us now is Democratic Congressman Brendan Boyle of Pennsylvania.
22:34He's the top Democrat on the House Budget Committee and a member of the House Ways and Means Committee.
22:39And Congressman Boyle, I've never done this to you before,
22:41but do you want to take a try at translating what Donald Trump maybe even thought he was saying?
22:50So, I took from that.
22:53I'm struggling because it's so illogical.
22:55But I think he might be talking about adjustable rate mortgages, and that may, you know,
23:01it might be a three-year or a five-year arm where it's fixed for a certain amount of time,
23:05and then it adjusts.
23:06But that is the best spin I can possibly put on an entire speech, as you documented,
23:13that is just filled with incoherent rambling one sentence after another.
23:18And my God, we have three more years of this.
23:21It is only going to get worse from here, not better.
23:26We've now shown you everything he said about affordability, broadly interpreted.
23:31Whatever that madness was that he just said about mortgages and home ownership,
23:35that's an affordability issue.
23:37Clearly, he has no comprehension of it.
23:38The other is prescription drug costs and pharmaceutical costs generally in the United States.
23:45He obviously has no idea how those prices are set around the world,
23:49and he has no idea what to do about it here at home.
23:53He actually thinks he can somehow negotiate lower drug prices in America by calling the president of France.
24:04Well, it obviously makes no sense.
24:07I would point out, because I think it has sometimes been forgotten,
24:10only once in American history has Medicare had the ability to negotiate the cost of some of the most expensive
24:18drugs.
24:18That is because a few years ago, Democrats, without even one vote from a Republican,
24:24Democrats in the House, Democrats in the Senate, and a Democratic president signed that bill into law,
24:31which is why Medicare actually now has the ability to negotiate down the cost of some drugs.
24:37Republicans, time and time again, will say one thing,
24:40but then once in office, they will do the exact opposite,
24:43and that is whatever industry tells them to do.
24:47And that structure was put in place in a way that the list of drugs was supposed to expand every
24:55year.
24:55They're supposed to add more drugs each year to that price-controlled group of drugs.
25:02That's exactly right.
25:03And so, as each year goes on, the list of drugs is supposed to expand.
25:10And, of course, we've already made great progress in that.
25:12However, now that there's been a change of administration since last year, since last January 20th,
25:19what we are seeing, this administration is not using the expanded power that Congress passed a few years ago,
25:26because, of course, they want to keep prescription drugs higher than they otherwise could be.
25:32It's such an important point.
25:34Donald Trump doesn't even know, because this is the kind of thing he couldn't know.
25:38But Health and Human Services, everybody there knows about it, and they're not using the power.
25:43The executive branch, Donald Trump, already has the power to add 10 more drugs every year, at least,
25:49to this list of drugs whose prices are pushed down by the federal government,
25:54and he is refusing to do it while he's pretending in his hallucination
25:59that he's talking to France about lowering our prices.
26:02That is exactly right.
26:04He could literally tomorrow lower the cost of drugs for some of the most expensive drugs
26:10that are in the Medicare program.
26:12And I do want to point out that wouldn't just benefit those who are on Medicare.
26:17Medicare is such a large program that once you would negotiate that price down,
26:22basically the price that Medicare would pay for those drugs,
26:24frankly, it would set the market and reduce the cost of those drugs for everyone else.
26:30No, Trump instead would rather keep rambling about made-up conversations with world leaders
26:36than actually do something that would bring down the cost of prescription drugs in the United States.
26:41As a member of the Ways and Means Committee, you have original constitutionally granted jurisdiction over tariffs,
26:49and there's Donald Trump today in his hallucination linking tariffs this time
26:54to the price of prescription drugs around the world.
26:58Again, it makes no sense, and it was disappointing that Speaker Mike Johnson uttered a phrase today
27:05that I had never heard Article II tariff power.
27:09Article II of the Constitution, which covers the presidency, doesn't say anything about tariffs.
27:14It is Article I, the Congress, and then specifically the Ways and Means Committee,
27:18the only committee to actually be explicitly mentioned in the Constitution,
27:22that rests that power with the legislative branch.
27:26I am hopeful, you can never be too hopeful or optimistic with this Supreme Court,
27:31but I am hopeful, based on how opening arguments and the oral hearing went a couple months ago,
27:36that we will soon get a Supreme Court decision that will clarify,
27:40and we can finally end this unilateral tariff nonsense from this president,
27:46which is completely contrary to the intent of our founders.
27:50Congressman Brendan Boyle, thank you very much for joining us tonight.
27:54Coming up, the leader of Donald Trump's invasion forces in Minneapolis today
27:58proved there's no reason for ICE agents to be wearing masks there
28:02because he was facing a crowd of peaceful protesters today,
28:06and he wasn't wearing his mask at any point.
28:10The local prosecutor with jurisdiction over homicide investigations in Minneapolis
28:14is now facing a criminal investigative subpoena from the Trump Justice Department.
28:18She will join us next.
28:20County Attorney Mary Moriarty is our next guest.
28:27The leader of Donald Trump's invasion forces in Minneapolis proved once again today,
28:32as he has proved before, that there's no reason for the federal agents working for Donald Trump
28:37to wear masks.
28:38Here is Greg Bovino getting ready to throw gas at peaceful protesters in Minneapolis today
28:45and wanting all the public credit he can get for it in right-wing Republican media by not wearing a
28:54mask.
28:55If it's okay for Greg Bovino not to wear a mask,
28:58why isn't it okay for everyone under his command?
29:02Greg Bovino knows he will, of course, be fired from his position by the next Democratic president,
29:07and so he is obviously now doing everything he can to earn a lucrative spot in right-wing Republican media
29:14and making his face as recognizable as possible for the day after the Trump presidency.
29:21Donald Trump's Justice Department has issued criminal investigative subpoenas
29:24to Democratic officials in Minneapolis, in Minnesota, including our next guest.
29:30The subpoenas have targeted Minnesota Governor Tim Walz, Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison,
29:34the mayor of Minneapolis, the mayor of St. Paul,
29:38and the local prosecutor, county attorney Mary Moriarty,
29:43who has jurisdiction over homicide investigations in Minneapolis
29:46and has pledged to investigate the killing of Renee Goode by Donald Trump's ICE agent, Jonathan Ross.
29:54Joining us now is Hennepin County Attorney Mary Moriarty.
29:57Thank you very much for joining us tonight.
30:00I know this is the most difficult time, certainly, of your career there,
30:04and there must be no moment of the day where you have time to take your attention off of what
30:12your duties are,
30:12and so we appreciate every minute you can give us tonight.
30:16First of all, let's just deal with your subpoena as the first item here.
30:22When did you get the subpoena?
30:23What does it require of you?
30:27The idea of the subpoena is really interesting because I was actually in a meeting with our team on the
30:34Renee Goode case,
30:35and we were getting updates on it.
30:37And suddenly I started getting, I got a text from media saying,
30:41hey, we want to talk to you about your subpoena.
30:43And I have not been subpoenaed, and it was leaked by the administration that the subpoena was on me
30:54and that I was being criminally investigated when, in actuality, the subpoena was served on Hennepin County.
31:01I, as county attorney, my civil division represents the county.
31:06So I think there's yet another example of intimidation of, you know, leaking that it was actually a subpoena towards
31:13me in criminal.
31:15They are certainly looking at immigration policies throughout the state and the city.
31:21But it is interesting that we are the office with jurisdiction,
31:26are doing an investigation, shooting, along with our partners at the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension.
31:35And what does the subpoena demand?
31:45I'm sorry, Mary, I think we may have lost our sound connection to Mary Moriarty.
31:52Does the control room know what's going on on this connection?
31:56Apparently not.
31:58We're going to try to go back to Mary Moriarty now.
32:02What does the subpoena demand?
32:06Well, the subpoena, the subpoenas, they all seem to demand records and practices and policies regarding immigration.
32:17And so it is clearly about immigration.
32:20And I think given everything that's going on, it is an attempt to intimidate all of us here in Minnesota,
32:26because I think the resistance is very strong.
32:30Minnesotans are standing together very well, fighting back against what feels like an occupation by our own federal government.
32:39What can you tell us about your investigation of the killing of Renee Goode?
32:45So typically in Minnesota, if a law enforcement officer, state law enforcement officer, takes the life of a member or
32:54a killing man,
32:56there is a complete and thorough investigation by our Bureau of Criminal Apprehension.
33:01Now, it was a federal officer, which doesn't remove jurisdiction from us.
33:06We have jurisdiction to charge this federal officer if we feel that we have enough evidence to do so.
33:14The thing that was different about this is that the federal government was doing an investigation.
33:22We had an agreement with them.
33:24They were allowing the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension to do a joint investigation with them.
33:29And then suddenly they were kicked out of it.
33:31We have asked repeatedly, as have many others, for the evidence that the feds took, including Renee Goode's car, the
33:41gun, any ballistics, that kind of thing.
33:45We opened a portal.
33:47We were asking our community for information that they might have, and that's been very fruitful.
33:51And so we are currently in the process of gathering all of the evidence that we can so that we
33:58can make a decision about whether charges are appropriate or not.
34:02Is this going to get to the point of you sending subpoenas to the Justice Department, to the FBI, in
34:09effect, to obtain that evidence?
34:15So there are a lot of legal hurdles here.
34:20For instance, the question would be, would the federal government honor a subpoena?
34:25And if we did charge, I anticipate, we anticipate that the federal government, or at least the agent, would remove
34:34it.
34:35The interesting thing about that, however, is that even if it was removed to federal court, state law would remain.
34:44Our team would continue to prosecute it.
34:47So the only difference would really be it's a federal judge and the jury would be drawn from Minnesota as
34:54opposed to Hennepin County.
34:56And Hennepin County is really Minneapolis.
35:03Mary Moriarty, thank you very much for joining us tonight.
35:08I think we did lose her sound there toward the end.
35:11And coming up, Donald Trump's old friend, the convicted sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell, is now scheduled to testify to the
35:17House Oversight Committee next month,
35:19where she will surely be asked about her friendship with Donald Trump.
35:24Congressman Ro Khanna will be in that hearing, and he joins us next.
35:31Donald Trump's old friend and now convicted sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell is now scheduled to testify to the House Oversight
35:39Committee on February 9th
35:41about the crimes she committed with sex trafficker and child rapist and best friend of Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein.
35:49Today, Congressman Robert Garcia, the top Democrat on the House Oversight Committee, said,
35:53For months, Ghislaine Maxwell has defied the subpoena, ordering her to testify to the Oversight Committee.
35:58After pressure from Oversight Democrats, Chairman Comer has finally decided to call her in to testify.
36:04Let's be clear, the cover-up is continuing.
36:07She has gotten special treatment from the Department of Justice for months.
36:10Let's end the cover-up now.
36:12Joining us now is Democratic Congressman O'Connor of California.
36:15He's a member of that committee.
36:17Congressman O'Connor, thank you very much for joining us tonight.
36:20What are you expecting from the Ghislaine Maxwell testimony?
36:24Well, first, let me say, talking to survivors, they have such disdain for Maxwell.
36:31They view her as someone who really abused them, trafficked them, and is trying to get special treatment.
36:39I want to hear from Maxwell.
36:41Who were the other men who visited Epstein's Island?
36:45Who were the other men who were engaged in any form of trafficking?
36:49And who were the men who showed up at these parties?
36:52She knows that.
36:53She should be sharing that information.
36:56When I read the testimony that has been given under oath in court and in depositions about Ghislaine Maxwell,
37:03many of these young girls at the time, it really sounds like they would never have been in Jeffrey Epstein's
37:11house
37:11if Ghislaine Maxwell hadn't lured them in there.
37:15Sometimes, talking to the survivors, they actually have more anger at Maxwell than even at Epstein.
37:22I mean, Maxwell basically lured them, trapped them.
37:26Maxwell told them, go recruit other young girls.
37:30Maxwell guilted them in saying, well, if you don't bring other young girls in, then you're going to continue to
37:38be abused.
37:38And Maxwell is the one who threatened them, saying, don't go to the police, don't go to the FBI.
37:45She's a despicable actor.
37:47But she also has knowledge that this was not just Maxwell and Epstein.
37:51There were many other rich and powerful men who participated in the abuse or knew about the abuse.
37:56And she can be and must be forthcoming about those names, which, by the way, don't implicate her Fifth Amendment
38:01rights.
38:02I mean, the lawyers say she's going to take the Fifth Amendment.
38:04Her naming other people involved does not implicate her.
38:08Yeah. And the testimony, under oath testimony about her, is that she herself had sexual contact with some of these
38:15victims.
38:17Yes. I mean, without going into the details, I would just say that the survivors believed that she was equally
38:25responsible, if not more, for the abuse.
38:28And where she may have more knowledge than anyone is who else was involved and why there's been a cover
38:37-up.
38:37She could really end up exposing a lot of these individuals.
38:43The committee today voted to hold Bill and Hillary Clinton in contempt because they have not responded to the subpoenas
38:52the way the committee wants them to.
38:54Some Democrats voted for that. Republicans did vote for that.
38:58How did you vote on the Clinton subpoenas?
39:01I voted no on both.
39:04First of all, the idea of holding Hillary Clinton in contempt is laughable.
39:08But both of the motions was political theater.
39:12There's only one person who should be held in contempt in this country, and that is Pam Bondi.
39:17She needs to release the files.
39:19After she releases the files, the Clintons should come and testify.
39:23But President Clinton should demand that Donald Trump is seated right next to him, who has 13,000 mentions in
39:30the Epstein files.
39:30This is Comer knowing that Trump is in trouble, knowing that his base is angry at him, trying to distract
39:38and blame the Clintons.
39:39It's not going to work.
39:42As you go forward, if Ghislaine Maxwell simply plans to take the Fifth Amendment on every question, how would the
39:51committee handle that?
39:53Well, we should push back to say that there are questions that have nothing to do with her own criminal
40:00culpability and that that's an improper use of the Fifth Amendment.
40:05But, of course, we can hold her in contempt.
40:10But we need to make sure that she is exposed so that Donald Trump does not try to cut some
40:17deal with her, move her, pardon her, move her into a less secure prison, the things that they have been
40:24doing.
40:26Yeah. And in this particular setting, unlike a judicial setting where the Fifth Amendment really is a shield and it's
40:33and it's very it's next to impossible to move around it in any way or even inquire about it.
40:37You can follow up and say, why are you refusing to answer this question about when you first met Donald
40:45Trump or whatever that question is?
40:47Absolutely. We can ask her about her relationship with Donald Trump.
40:52We can ask her about her relationship on Mar-a-Lago.
40:55We can ask her about her relationship with other people who came to these parties, who came to these parties.
41:03Does she know whether other men were involved in trafficking or abusing or raping underage girls?
41:11I suppose she could keep taking the Fifth Amendment, but then the American people will know that she's basically lying.
41:17And it's really important to explain that the questions that she's being asked have nothing to do with her own
41:24criminal culpability.
41:25She's covering up for other rich and powerful people to prevent them from having criminal culpability.
41:31February 9th, Ghislaine Maxwell testifies.
41:34Congressman Ro Khanna, thank you very much for joining us tonight.
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