Dateline NBC S32E03 The Clearing H 264

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00:00:09Tonight on Dateline...

00:00:11Do not move!

00:00:14It's pulse-pounding footage.

00:00:15Do not move!

00:00:16It's a train. You can't stop it.

00:00:18You're being railroaded.

00:00:19You're like, how do I stop this?

00:00:21Someone with a finger in my face going,

00:00:23you killed your wife.

00:00:26These women had located a body.

00:00:28The woods is very thick and almost impassable.

00:00:31I kept pushing these vines.

00:00:33That's when I saw Emily.

00:00:35There's some sort of cord wrapped around her neck.

00:00:38The question is simple.

00:00:39Is this homicide or suicide?

00:00:41It didn't look like a suicide.

00:00:43This is a murder case.

00:00:44You killed her!

00:00:45No, I didn't, sir.

00:00:47They did this thing to try to rattle.

00:00:48You killed her, she's dead.

00:00:50They searched the house, the attic, the car.

00:00:53They find nothing.

00:00:54Why have the cops fixed on him?

00:00:55It's an easy fix and an obvious one.

00:00:57The first suspect is always the spouse, right?

00:01:00We don't know her journey.

00:01:01We don't know those last minutes.

00:01:03Did you do that, Matt?

00:01:04Did you kill your wife?

00:01:05What do you think?

00:01:07I want to hear you say it.

00:01:08Why do you feel the need for me to say that?

00:01:10I'm Lester Holt, and this is Dateline.

00:01:21Here's Dennis Murphy with The Clearing.

00:01:30She absolutely loved the woods.

00:01:33That's something everyone can agree on.

00:01:36Deep in the forest, Emily nourished her soul in the joyous quiet.

00:01:40It's where she found peace and even food for her table.

00:01:45Did she also go there to escape?

00:01:47People here in Westerville, Ohio, still wonder about that.

00:01:51It is a big mystery.

00:01:53I would just love to know the details.

00:01:56What happened?

00:01:57What really happened that night?

00:02:02Take a look.

00:02:04What do you see?

00:02:05For most of us, it's just a snarl of bushes and brambles.

00:02:09Emily Noble saw that and something else.

00:02:11Maybe a salad and a soup for dinner.

00:02:14And herbal tea.

00:02:16She was obsessed with foraging, the art of discovering food in nature.

00:02:20She shared her passion with friends like Celeste Grohn.

00:02:23She had a book that was like four inches, maybe even thicker.

00:02:28And it had every single plant in it.

00:02:31And she could identify what they were.

00:02:34She liked to go out and forage around her neighborhood,

00:02:36which I think is really cool.

00:02:39Emily's friend Crystal Williams bartends at Dick's Den,

00:02:43a music venue in nearby Columbus.

00:02:45One of Emily's favorite hangouts.

00:02:47She was way into live music and she used to love to come here.

00:02:50I've cut a rug with her on the dance floor many times.

00:02:54I would say Emily was very much a free spirit.

00:02:57She just was this little fairy.

00:02:59You know, she just had so much light and energy in her.

00:03:03People were drawn to her neo-hippie, tiny dancer spirit.

00:03:07Friends like Wendy Carney Hatch.

00:03:09Just really cute, really adorable.

00:03:12With dark curly hair and bright eyes and beautiful teeth.

00:03:17Great smile.

00:03:18And when she walked, there was a little, like a little rhythm to her step.

00:03:24It may have seemed that Emily was dancing through life, but it hadn't been easy.

00:03:29She'd survived a lot of crushing sadness over the years.

00:03:33And in 2020, as the pandemic took hold, life got particularly hard.

00:03:38Like so many of us, Emily and her husband Matt were in lockdown.

00:03:43But on Sunday, May 24th, Emily and Matt wanted to get out and celebrate.

00:03:47It was Emily's 52nd birthday.

00:03:50It was also Memorial Day weekend.

00:03:52So they dipped their toes back into the local nightlife scene with a trip to some bars.

00:03:57It was right after the bars reopened from COVID.

00:04:01And they were the only people I had for the time that they were there.

00:04:05They were there for about 45 minutes.

00:04:08Jessica Selfridge was tending bar that night.

00:04:11She had time to observe her only customers.

00:04:13We talked a little bit about, like, COVID things.

00:04:16Like, I had to wear a mask, for instance.

00:04:19And they told me that since it was her birthday, they were going to continue to kind of bar hop

00:04:24a little bit.

00:04:27Emily and Matt got home around 7.

00:04:30Night turned into morning, into afternoon.

00:04:33At 2.47 p.m. on May 25th, Emily's friend Celeste Grone got a call from Emily's phone.

00:04:40So I picked up and I said, hi, Emily.

00:04:44And it was Matt.

00:04:45And he said, is Emily over there?

00:04:48And I said, no.

00:04:49And he said that they were supposed to go to a party in the afternoon.

00:04:55And he hadn't seen her.

00:04:57And she hadn't returned from a walk in the morning.

00:05:01And he was assuming it was a walk.

00:05:04And I said, well, is this normal?

00:05:06And he said, no, it's not normal.

00:05:09And I said, call the police.

00:05:11Celeste jumped in her car.

00:05:13Matt got back on the phone.

00:05:15My wife has been missing all day.

00:05:18Her purse is here with her ID.

00:05:21Her car is here with her car keys.

00:05:24And her phone is here.

00:05:27With his body cam rolling, Officer Rob Hollis of the Westerville, Ohio Police Department arrived at Emily and Matt's home.

00:05:37There was some momentary confusion after Matt came to the door because Celeste was just arriving, too.

00:05:43Matt did a double take.

00:05:45He's like, oh, there she is.

00:05:47You.

00:05:47He's looking at you.

00:05:48Thinking I'm Emily.

00:05:50You look just like her for like a second.

00:05:52Oh, my God.

00:05:53There she is.

00:05:54Okay.

00:05:55Matt Moore.

00:05:56Officer Hollis.

00:05:58Hello.

00:05:58Hi.

00:05:59Celeste.

00:06:00In a matter of minutes, Officer Hollis got most of the story.

00:06:03What's going on?

00:06:04He heard how Matt and Emily had gone out the night before.

00:06:07How they came home around 7 and went to bed early.

00:06:10Matt said he woke up after midnight.

00:06:12I get up in the middle of the night sometimes to go to the bathroom.

00:06:18Mm-hmm.

00:06:19And I don't go back in with her because I don't want to wake her up so I can end

00:06:23up in this bedroom or second bedroom.

00:06:25He told the officer he was noodling around on his phone till the wee hours.

00:06:29Not falling asleep again until around 6 and not out of bed until after 10 a.m.

00:06:35That's when he says he first noticed Emily was gone.

00:06:37He didn't go out to look for her, but said he waited.

00:06:40Waited for hours.

00:06:41I was just waiting for her to tell me when we should go.

00:06:45I'd text her twice and say we're going to the party.

00:06:47She didn't get back to me.

00:06:48He used the phone finder app and learned her phone was still in the condo.

00:06:53He thought maybe she went to the woods nearby.

00:06:56She forages.

00:06:57She goes for walks and she picks wild edibles.

00:07:00That's kind of our hobby.

00:07:02She goes around here.

00:07:05It's a real short walk.

00:07:07It's 15 minutes at the most.

00:07:09A lot of the time I was like, well maybe she's just out doing that.

00:07:12The officer's quick check of the condo revealed nothing in disarray.

00:07:16No surprises.

00:07:17Emily, it turned out, was a housekeeper extraordinaire.

00:07:20That garage was immaculate.

00:07:22The house was immaculate.

00:07:23Uh huh.

00:07:23Yeah.

00:07:24Emily was very neat.

00:07:26She's really meticulous.

00:07:28And she just, this is uncharacteristic.

00:07:30She would never go somewhere and not tell you where she would go.

00:07:32So I see that the bed was made.

00:07:34Did you do that or she did that?

00:07:35That is, is uh, I just noticed that.

00:07:38You're right.

00:07:39I didn't make the bed.

00:07:40She did.

00:07:41That bed was made when I got up to that.

00:07:43I didn't make it.

00:07:45So she was, I'm guessing, here this morning.

00:07:48The officer took off for a few minutes to speak with colleagues outside, then returned with some news.

00:07:54Your neighbor saw her in the garage about between 9 and 10 a.m. this morning.

00:08:00Said she was just standing in the garage.

00:08:02Awesome.

00:08:02When he was leaving, he saw her.

00:08:04She was just standing there.

00:08:05He said hello.

00:08:05She said hello.

00:08:06So we know.

00:08:08She's around.

00:08:09Somewhere around.

00:08:11Okay.

00:08:12Awesome.

00:08:12That seemed reassuring.

00:08:14Maybe the case of the missing Emily Noble would be one big false alarm.

00:08:19She'd come waltzing through that door any minute.

00:08:21Wouldn't she?

00:08:37The town of Westerville, Ohio, was waking up to a brand new day.

00:08:41And Emily Noble was still missing.

00:08:43Her husband, Matt, hadn't seen her for more than 24 hours.

00:08:47And now Westerville PD Detective Steve Grubbs was reading the responding officer's report about the visit with Emily's husband, Matt

00:08:54Moore.

00:08:55On my own, you know, proactively pulled up that report and read the narrative to it.

00:09:00And something about it just didn't sit with me.

00:09:02What made your nose twitch about it, if that's the right word?

00:09:04Yeah.

00:09:04That inner gut feeling, it just felt like something was off.

00:09:10Turns out the neighbor's account of seeing Emily that Memorial Day morning had gotten fuzzy.

00:09:15Now he wasn't so sure when he'd seen her last.

00:09:18Detective Grubbs figured this missing woman story needed a deeper dive.

00:09:22He asked to be assigned to the case and then headed to the condo with some other officers.

00:09:28Has she ever been gone this long before?

00:09:30No.

00:09:31Not at all, I guess.

00:09:33So our next step was this bloodhound to see if we could get a track someplace.

00:09:37By noon, a bloodhound was tracking Emily's scent.

00:09:41The dog led investigators to a gravel drive between two houses just a few blocks away.

00:09:46They knocked on the doors. No one answered.

00:09:50Detectives asked Matt Moore to take them to the nearby woods where Emily liked to walk.

00:09:54Matt actually showed Detective Peachy and I that the area that they would go and forage.

00:10:01Grubbs and two other detectives returned to the spot a little later, looked around,

00:10:05didn't see anything interesting.

00:10:07As police got to know Matt, they also learned more about Emily.

00:10:11Tell me about Emily Noble. Who is she turning out to be?

00:10:14She seemed to be a hard-working woman, worked for the state of Ohio.

00:10:19She worked at the Ohio Department of Medicaid.

00:10:22She and Matt had been married for two years.

00:10:25Matt had worked the tables in a Las Vegas casino before he left that job and moved to Ohio.

00:10:30Matt did not work, is that correct?

00:10:32He did not work.

00:10:33His mother had passed away and left him a sizable sum of money, so he didn't really need to work.

00:10:41The routine. He cooked, she took care of the house.

00:10:45They hung out, drank a bit, sometimes a lot.

00:10:48And when the COVID lockdown took hold, Emily started working from home.

00:10:53But life was rarely easy for Matt and Emily.

00:10:56He died a lot of death in her life.

00:10:58Yes. Yes, she had.

00:10:59She had a husband, right?

00:11:00Yep. She had a previous marriage and ultimately Mark committed suicide.

00:11:05By gun?

00:11:06Yes, sir.

00:11:07Wendy remembers how much Emily loved her first husband.

00:11:10How awful it was when he died in 2011.

00:11:13After Mark passed away, there was, there was a couple years that were pretty dark.

00:11:19She would get just really sad, you know?

00:11:24Emily's parents died a few years later in sudden accidental deaths.

00:11:29Those who knew her say Emily turned to nature to heal herself.

00:11:33Chris Barton, a lifelong friend, said Emily put aside her own sadness by looking out for the people she loved.

00:11:40Thinking about them instead of thinking about what was going on with her, I think, a lot of the time.

00:11:44Gave her something to concentrate on and what if it wasn't, that it wasn't herself.

00:11:49She kept a photo collection of the edible plants she grew and collected, a visual progress report of her devotion

00:11:55to foraging.

00:11:57She often foraged in this woodland park.

00:11:59We took a lot of pictures with our phones and it was just a place you could sit and just

00:12:04let nature be around you.

00:12:06She was a very good photographer.

00:12:08She really liked sunrise and sunset.

00:12:11She loved fog and water, nature, obviously.

00:12:19She took a lot of selfies, so many selfies.

00:12:23Four years after her first husband died, she met Matt and now he was part of the picture.

00:12:29Matt took this one showing him and Emily and his son Joey.

00:12:33This was their family unit because when Matt moved in with Emily, his teenage son did too.

00:12:40Police noticed that Joey was a painful subject for Matt Moore.

00:12:44The morning he reported Emily missing, he mentioned Joey right away.

00:12:48I have a gut feeling right here. It's when my son died.

00:12:53That was a terrible story.

00:12:55By the time Matt and Emily got married, Joey was suffering full-blown schizophrenia.

00:13:00Emily and Matt were doing their best with him, but nearly a year into the marriage, Joey died by suicide.

00:13:07Just 17 years old.

00:13:09He was found hanging in a nature preserve in Westerville.

00:13:13This was the second child Matt lost.

00:13:15The first son was only a toddler when he died of a sudden illness.

00:13:19I can't even imagine...

00:13:21Matt's friend, Arturo Ruggiroli.

00:13:23Tell me about losing Joey and what that meant for him.

00:13:26It was oblivion.

00:13:29There was nothing left of the person who he was for a while.

00:13:35Emily was also devastated by Joey's death.

00:13:38And now she was missing.

00:13:40Talented, complicated, beloved Emily.

00:13:43Westerville police are searching for a woman who has been missing since Memorial Day.

00:13:48Calls poured into the police tip line.

00:13:51Emily seemed to be everywhere.

00:13:52She was at the grocery store.

00:13:54She's at a homeless shelter.

00:13:56She's sleeping under a bridge.

00:13:57She's sleeping in a doorway.

00:13:59The Westerville PD chased down those tips, but nothing led to Emily.

00:14:04They headed to the bar where Matt and Emily were seen the night of her birthday.

00:14:08When I talked to the detective, he told me that she had gone missing and asked me how they were

00:14:14behaving that night and everything like that.

00:14:16They had the kind of banter that was like they were very lovey-dovey one minute and then they would

00:14:22be more so like there was tension the next minute.

00:14:27There wasn't much more to tell, but police did have one solid clue from those bloodhounds.

00:14:33Remember, they tracked Emily's scent to that driveway a few hundred yards away.

00:14:37Was that telling police something?

00:14:39Did she voluntarily get into a car in that driveway and take off?

00:14:43Was she dragged there and kidnapped?

00:14:47All good questions.

00:14:48Maybe police were looking at a stranger abduction.

00:14:51Or maybe the disappearance of Emily Noble had nothing to do with any stranger.

00:14:56Guys, I did not hurt my wife.

00:14:59I did not hurt my wife.

00:15:00I loved her.

00:15:17The Westerville PD was working the case of the missing Emily Noble, tracking down tips following leads.

00:15:24That driveway where bloodhounds lost Emily's scent, detectives went back to the two houses there and interviewed a homeowner.

00:15:30The people that resided there had no interaction with Emily, had not seen or heard anything, and they were ultimately

00:15:38cleared altogether.

00:15:41Dead end.

00:15:42I feel like we were trying to catch a ghost at that point because we didn't know what we were

00:15:47dealing with.

00:15:48You know, is she suicidal?

00:15:50Was she kidnapped?

00:15:52Did she run away with a boyfriend?

00:15:54All viable threads, theoretically.

00:15:55At that point, absolutely.

00:15:57Another viable thread, of course, was Matt.

00:16:00Investigators keyed in on the fact that he didn't even go out looking for Emily before he reported her missing.

00:16:06Didn't leave the house.

00:16:07Didn't do any sort of searching on his own.

00:16:11Just kind of hung out at the house.

00:16:13Police started hearing troubling things from her friends about her marriage to Matt.

00:16:18What is he doing during the day?

00:16:20Drinking.

00:16:21Really?

00:16:23Oh, Emily would get so mad.

00:16:25If he was drinking during the day, she said, do you need to wait till I get home from work?

00:16:31Wait till the bell hits five o'clock?

00:16:32Right.

00:16:33Emily's friend Wendy detected unhappiness in one of those photos from the night before Emily disappeared.

00:16:39She's looking at the camera, kind of steely-eyed, and he looks like he's crying.

00:16:45And I just think that picture's worth a thousand words.

00:16:49Others called the detectives with speculation about darker things.

00:16:53They felt that he was almost controlling.

00:16:56They felt that when Matt was in the picture, Emily was not her normal self anymore.

00:17:01There was never anything specific that Emily said that Matt has done this to me,

00:17:07but it just seemed to be a lot of speculation from the friends that something isn't right with Matt.

00:17:14Two days after Matt reported Emily missing, the husband agreed to sit down with detectives at the police department.

00:17:21This is a voluntary interview.

00:17:23Okay.

00:17:25Obviously, we need to do the best we can to get the full story.

00:17:30Anything you say can be-

00:17:31Detective Grubbs read him his rights, began probing about events before and after Emily's disappearance,

00:17:37and broke the news that John Kramer, the neighbor who said he'd seen Emily the morning she disappeared,

00:17:43now couldn't be sure of the timing.

00:17:45John, his son's backtracking.

00:17:47All right.

00:17:47So, yeah, that's kind of up in the air.

00:17:50And he really said, like, eight to nine, and then he's now saying,

00:17:53I can't-

00:17:54He's saying, I can't swear to it.

00:17:56He said, maybe, maybe not.

00:17:57Could have been Sunday.

00:17:58So, that makes it look bad for me, I guess.

00:18:02They turned to Matt's relationship.

00:18:04He'd handed over Emily's phone, and they'd been going through it.

00:18:08They asked Matt to rate his marriage.

00:18:10So, a scale of one to ten relationship with her,

00:18:13ten being bliss, every day, honeymoon like a honeymoon,

00:18:17and one being can't-

00:18:18Did you read our texts?

00:18:19Can't, can't, can't stand each other.

00:18:20I'm just asking.

00:18:21Which, what would you, what would your rate of like?

00:18:22It would, it would fluctuate.

00:18:24Like a sign, a sign wave, but we were on since six months, it was an eight.

00:18:30The last six months?

00:18:31Absolutely.

00:18:32An eight out of ten.

00:18:34But then detectives shared a text they'd found from Emily to a friend.

00:18:37This was, this was a month ago, okay?

00:18:39Mm-hmm.

00:18:40This is, this is, this is heavy.

00:18:42Matt picked a flight with me yesterday

00:18:44And said some awful things

00:18:45I'm not wearing my wedding ring

00:18:49And that doesn't sound like

00:18:50Somebody who's in a happy relationship

00:18:52I found out my wife texted that

00:18:54To somebody a month ago

00:18:55I get it

00:18:57I'm not going to say that those things

00:18:59Of course there was a rollercoaster

00:19:01Relationship but it wasn't like anything

00:19:03That was anything you would think

00:19:05That someone would hurt someone over

00:19:08It's not as heavy as you think it is

00:19:10She would be like that at times

00:19:12Because of her anger issues

00:19:15It always swung back

00:19:17What about some of the things

00:19:19They'd heard from Emily's friends

00:19:20That maybe there was more going on

00:19:23Than a burnt out romance

00:19:24One even suggested Matt had hurt Emily

00:19:27There was a time

00:19:29Within the last year

00:19:31Where she had bruises on her

00:19:33And this friend

00:19:34Hold on

00:19:36Don't I roll yet

00:19:38Let me get it out

00:19:41Where the friend was concerned

00:19:43That you were being

00:19:45Physically abusive towards her

00:19:46It never happened

00:19:48Let him finish

00:19:49I don't know where you're going with this

00:19:50Again and again

00:19:52Matt insisted he would not harm Emily

00:19:54Guys I did not hurt my wife

00:19:56I did not hurt my wife

00:19:58I loved her

00:20:00He took off his shirt when they asked

00:20:02And showed them he had no scratches

00:20:04No bruises

00:20:05And at the detective's suggestion

00:20:07He agreed to take a voice stress analysis test

00:20:11A type of lie detector

00:20:13The tension in this tiny room

00:20:15Was about to explode

00:20:16You f***ing killed her

00:20:17No I didn't sir

00:20:19F***ing I didn't

00:20:20I didn't kill her

00:20:20You killed her

00:20:21You killed her

00:20:54Detective Grubbs told Matt

00:20:56A computer would measure the stress in his voice

00:20:58When he answered questions

00:20:59Some random

00:21:00Some not

00:21:01Do you know where Emily is?

00:21:03No

00:21:04Is this the month of May?

00:21:06Yes

00:21:07Did you kill Emily?

00:21:09No

00:21:09Voice stress analysis tests

00:21:11Are considered unreliable

00:21:13By many experts

00:21:14Still the police told Matt

00:21:15That the results of his test

00:21:17Indicated deception

00:21:18I don't know what happened to Emily

00:21:20I don't know what happened to her

00:21:24I took it

00:21:24I failed this test

00:21:26I failed it

00:21:27The detectives kept returning

00:21:29To the question at hand

00:21:30What do you think happened to Emily?

00:21:33I would be guessing

00:21:34But I think she'd hurt herself

00:21:36How do you think she hurt herself?

00:21:38She would say that

00:21:41If she was going to do it

00:21:42She would hurt herself

00:21:43Emily had been surrounded by suicides

00:21:46So Matt was guessing

00:21:47That's what might have happened

00:21:49She would do it

00:21:50Where she would be easily found

00:21:53They kept pressing him

00:21:54Prodding

00:21:55Until

00:21:56The pot boiled over

00:21:57You f***ing killed her

00:21:59No I didn't sir

00:22:00F***ing didn't

00:22:01I didn't kill her

00:22:02You killed her

00:22:02And it was an accident

00:22:03And we need to get this resolved today

00:22:06It didn't happen

00:22:07It did happen

00:22:07She's dead

00:22:09How do you

00:22:10Where is she?

00:22:11What are you talking about?

00:22:12That's why we have you here

00:22:13People are saying they've seen her

00:22:15At that point

00:22:16Emily was still a missing person

00:22:18Gone only two days

00:22:19Was it too soon to hit him

00:22:21With the big stuff?

00:22:22I don't think so

00:22:23You didn't have evidence

00:22:24That she was even dead

00:22:25Not to mention murdered

00:22:26That's correct

00:22:27But we also

00:22:29Don't know what we're dealing with

00:22:30And if Emily is alive

00:22:32And needs help

00:22:33Time is of the essence

00:22:34And we are

00:22:35Trying to recover her

00:22:36As quick as we can

00:22:38But there'd be no more

00:22:39Talking to Matt Moore

00:22:40He refused to communicate directly

00:22:42With the police

00:22:43After that interview

00:22:44Instead

00:22:45He called his friend Arturo

00:22:47When he spoke to me

00:22:49He told me

00:22:51He went and did an interview

00:22:52And by the end of the interview

00:22:53They had accused him

00:22:55Of murdering his wife

00:22:57They were right in his teeth

00:22:57Weren't they?

00:22:58The way he made it sound

00:23:00Was

00:23:01Very much

00:23:03Of a panic

00:23:04Of a fear

00:23:05Of

00:23:06I'm looking for help

00:23:07From these people

00:23:08They're accusing me

00:23:09Of murder

00:23:10Now I don't know

00:23:11What to do

00:23:12I need help

00:23:13Help did come pouring in

00:23:15But not for Matt

00:23:16We're going to focus

00:23:17On the Alum Creek area today

00:23:19As May 2020 ended

00:23:21And June began

00:23:22The country was still

00:23:23In the grip

00:23:24Of the first wave

00:23:25Of COVID

00:23:25With millions

00:23:26In lockdown

00:23:27But in Westerville

00:23:29Scores of people

00:23:30Took part in a

00:23:31Socially distanced activity

00:23:32That might do some good

00:23:33Searches

00:23:34Organized by the Facebook group

00:23:36Finding M Noble

00:23:38Started by her friend Wendy

00:23:39A lot of us became

00:23:41Really obsessed

00:23:42With the whole thing

00:23:44I had a lot of time

00:23:45On my hands

00:23:46So I would go to searches

00:23:47And do whatever I could

00:23:49To try to get Emily home

00:23:50Because she would do that

00:23:51For anyone

00:23:52We will continue this

00:23:53Until we get

00:23:54Some kind of closure

00:23:56Lisa Gordish

00:23:58One of Emily's

00:23:59Acquaintances from high school

00:24:00Signed up to search

00:24:01Early on

00:24:02They had a public search

00:24:04That met at the

00:24:05High school

00:24:06Where we had graduated from

00:24:07And I showed up

00:24:09And went on that search

00:24:10It was exhausting work

00:24:12But Lisa did it

00:24:13Again and again

00:24:14Even organizing

00:24:16Her own searches

00:24:16Her sister

00:24:18Sherry Reynolds

00:24:18Joined her

00:24:19It was just this thing

00:24:21That kind of grabs

00:24:22Ahold of you

00:24:22And you can't let go

00:24:23It's sort of like

00:24:24What you did

00:24:25In the summer of 2020

00:24:26Yes

00:24:27We'd have probably

00:24:28Five, six, seven people

00:24:29On most searches

00:24:30With us

00:24:32But you know

00:24:33Who was not out there

00:24:34On those public searches

00:24:35Matt

00:24:36The cops thought

00:24:38That was odd

00:24:40Celeste

00:24:40Often out searching herself

00:24:41Asked Matt directly

00:24:43Where was he

00:24:44And he said

00:24:45Oh no

00:24:45Those people hate me

00:24:46He wasn't entirely wrong

00:24:47At that point

00:24:48Was he Celeste

00:24:48No

00:24:50No surprise

00:24:51Social media

00:24:52Had picked up the story

00:24:54And many posts

00:24:55Were negative

00:24:56About Matt

00:24:56Even cruel

00:24:58Comments like this

00:24:59Can we all just agree

00:25:01The husband is guilty

00:25:02As F

00:25:02And hope the police act

00:25:04And this

00:25:04And his 17 year old son

00:25:06Hung himself

00:25:07Almost a year ago

00:25:08My daughter was close

00:25:09Friends with him

00:25:10And said Matt

00:25:11Was an awful father

00:25:14Cameron Kissel

00:25:15Joey's good friend

00:25:16Had stayed in touch

00:25:17With Matt

00:25:17After Joey's death

00:25:19He says Matt

00:25:20Was far from

00:25:20An awful father

00:25:21And had tried

00:25:22Everything to help

00:25:23His son

00:25:23And in the months

00:25:25After Emily

00:25:25Disappeared

00:25:26Cameron says Matt

00:25:27Was searching

00:25:28In his own way

00:25:29Every Monday

00:25:31I would get

00:25:31Off of work

00:25:32And we would go out

00:25:34Searching for Emily

00:25:35Hanging flyers

00:25:37Passing out

00:25:37These business cards

00:25:38He had made

00:25:39Brainstorming

00:25:40Where she could have been

00:25:41What could have happened

00:25:43Matt's brother

00:25:44Traveled to Westerville

00:25:45To help out

00:25:46So did Arturo

00:25:48We held out hope

00:25:49All the way through

00:25:50That this was some kind

00:25:52Of mental break

00:25:53Perhaps

00:25:54That she needed

00:25:56Some time away

00:25:57And she's going

00:25:58To turn up

00:25:58The drumbeat

00:26:00Of negative comments

00:26:01In town continued

00:26:02There was even

00:26:03A rumor going around

00:26:04Which police heard

00:26:05That Arturo

00:26:06And Matt's brother

00:26:07Had come to Westerville

00:26:08Not to help find Emily

00:26:09But to help Matt

00:26:10Cover up some

00:26:11Nefarious deed

00:26:12This is episode

00:26:15246 of The Vanished

00:26:16After his police interview

00:26:18Matt was getting

00:26:19Legal advice

00:26:20To stop talking

00:26:21But he did speak

00:26:22To The Vanished

00:26:23A true crime podcast

00:26:24About missing people

00:26:25Even then

00:26:26He didn't say much

00:26:27I feel horrible

00:26:29Because I can't help

00:26:30I can't help

00:26:31Find my wife

00:26:31It's this thing

00:26:32I want to

00:26:33They told me to shut up

00:26:34And I can't

00:26:34I can't shut up

00:26:35Because I'm just

00:26:36Trying to find her

00:26:36If he'd been trying

00:26:38To help his case

00:26:39It didn't work

00:26:40A podcast producer

00:26:41Spoke to Detective Grubbs

00:26:43After she interviewed Matt

00:26:44She told the detective

00:26:46She believed Matt

00:26:47Killed his wife

00:26:47The dark cloud

00:26:49That had settled

00:26:50On Matt

00:26:50Would not budge

00:26:51And Emily's whereabouts

00:26:53Were still unknown

00:26:54But that was about

00:26:56To change

00:27:13It was a long

00:27:14Hot summer

00:27:14Of fruitless searching

00:27:16Detective Grubbs

00:27:17Kept a progress report

00:27:18That reads like

00:27:19A litany of dead ends

00:27:201120 AM

00:27:22Searched the area

00:27:23Underneath the bridge

00:27:24On Polaris

00:27:25Just west of Cleveland Avenue

00:27:27I traveled to the UDF

00:27:29To follow up

00:27:29On a previous

00:27:30Tip line call

00:27:31I checked

00:27:31Confluence Park

00:27:32For Noble

00:27:33As the summer waned

00:27:35The tips did too

00:27:36The big searches

00:27:38Weren't so frequent

00:27:39But sisters Lisa and Sherry

00:27:41Were still out there

00:27:42Searching every week

00:27:43We grew up

00:27:45With a family

00:27:46Of puzzle solvers

00:27:47And so once

00:27:49That puzzle was there

00:27:50It became very difficult

00:27:52To stop

00:27:52Over that summer

00:27:54The sisters picked up

00:27:55Another teammate

00:27:56Sue Sexton

00:27:57Sue was happy

00:27:58To search anywhere

00:27:59And motivated

00:28:00For a particular reason

00:28:0222, 23 years ago

00:28:03This year

00:28:04A neighbor of mine

00:28:05Named Patty

00:28:05Went missing

00:28:07And to this day

00:28:08She hasn't been found

00:28:10Not resolved

00:28:10Never resolved

00:28:11This time she hoped

00:28:13It would be different

00:28:14On a late summer day

00:28:16They came across

00:28:16Something that

00:28:17Looked like evidence

00:28:18It was a ceramic

00:28:19Christmas ornament

00:28:20Was it connected

00:28:22To Emily

00:28:22They sent pictures

00:28:23To Emily's family

00:28:24But no one recognized it

00:28:26The family and friends

00:28:27Of missing Westerville

00:28:28Woman Emily Noble

00:28:29Continued their search

00:28:30For answers

00:28:32In September

00:28:33Local media covered

00:28:35Another big community

00:28:36Search for Emily

00:28:37Another exercise

00:28:38In frustration

00:28:40But with fall coming

00:28:41Lisa, Sue and Sherry

00:28:43Believed time

00:28:44Was running out

00:28:44I was afraid

00:28:45When the leaves

00:28:46Started to fall

00:28:47That that evidence

00:28:49Would be covered up

00:28:49So I felt this urgency

00:28:51You know

00:28:52We have to go now

00:28:53We have to go now

00:28:53We can't wait

00:28:55So one day

00:28:56In mid-September

00:28:57They decided

00:28:57To go back

00:28:58To where they'd

00:28:59Spotted that ornament

00:28:59Maybe it meant something

00:29:01And we had talked

00:29:03To Detective Grubbs

00:29:04The week before that

00:29:05And he said to us

00:29:08Specifically

00:29:09Don't be afraid

00:29:11To go someplace

00:29:11We've already gone

00:29:14They showed me

00:29:15Around the spot

00:29:16They were intent

00:29:17On researching

00:29:18The first thing we did

00:29:20Was look for the ornament

00:29:21After all this time

00:29:22They thought it might

00:29:23Still be there

00:29:27Lisa, you found it?

00:29:30Remarkably, it was

00:29:32Here's the little ceramic

00:29:34Angel that we found

00:29:35I'll be

00:29:36You found that very piece here

00:29:38Yeah, it was right here

00:29:40On the ground

00:29:41But on that day

00:29:43Back in mid-September 2020

00:29:44They wanted to push past this spot

00:29:46It was getting close to dark

00:29:48It's September

00:29:49It's getting chillier

00:29:50My feet were soaking wet

00:29:53Oh

00:29:54We were tired

00:29:57And I said to Sue

00:29:58When we were here before

00:29:59There's an area that goes down

00:30:01Over that way

00:30:03That we haven't done yet

00:30:06And before it got dark

00:30:08I just needed to go that way

00:30:10They split up

00:30:11Sherry peeled off

00:30:13To check one area

00:30:14Sue headed to the creek

00:30:15And Lisa headed to a spot

00:30:17She'd noticed before

00:30:18It looked all but impassable

00:30:20Even with a bustling

00:30:22Four-lane highway

00:30:22Just yards away

00:30:23Right over there

00:30:24This particular section of woods

00:30:26Was thick with branches

00:30:28And vines

00:30:28Clearly no one thought

00:30:30To wade in

00:30:31But on that early evening

00:30:33September 16, 2020

00:30:34Lisa Gordish did

00:30:36So you're walking

00:30:37And pushing

00:30:37Mm-hmm

00:30:38Until I come to this clearing

00:30:43And stopped and turned

00:30:44And jumped

00:30:45Because there was

00:30:47What I thought was a little girl

00:30:48Sitting on her knees

00:30:50Facing away from me

00:30:52And I said

00:30:52Hi there

00:30:54Because I just

00:30:55Was startled

00:30:57That there was another person

00:30:58Here with me

00:30:59And then it started to sink in?

00:31:01Yeah

00:31:01That something's wrong

00:31:03Like this isn't what I think it is

00:31:05The small figure was clothed

00:31:07Upright

00:31:08With long dark hair

00:31:09And terribly still

00:31:10In one of those split second moments

00:31:13That seemed to take forever

00:31:14The truth dawned on Lisa

00:31:16It had to be Emily Noble

00:31:18The little that remained of her anyway

00:31:20I made my way back

00:31:22To behind that log

00:31:24To have a sense of protection

00:31:26Protection?

00:31:28My first feeling was really fear

00:31:32She called out to Sue and Sherry

00:31:33I could tell by the pitch of her voice

00:31:35That it was getting higher and higher

00:31:37And that alarmed me

00:31:38And I knew something

00:31:40I knew something was wrong

00:31:41And it took me a minute

00:31:43To figure out what I was looking at

00:31:44And I realized that my brain was telling me

00:31:47It was a small skeletal thing

00:31:50But I still couldn't

00:31:51Completely wrap my eyes around it

00:31:53So I pushed through

00:31:54Just a little bit further

00:31:56That's when I could put it together

00:31:57That I was seeing a

00:32:00Smaller

00:32:01Skeletal remains

00:32:03Tess would later confirm

00:32:04What the searchers knew to be true

00:32:06This was Emily Noble

00:32:09She wasn't going to let us leave without her

00:32:11Emily

00:32:11You thought there was a spiritual

00:32:14Dynamic here, huh?

00:32:15I think there had to be

00:32:17Yeah

00:32:18Emily wanted to be found

00:32:219-1-1, what is your emergency?

00:32:23Hi, um

00:32:24We are searching for Emily Noble

00:32:27We are in a wooded area

00:32:28There's a person here

00:32:31And I don't know if it's her

00:32:32A dead body

00:32:33It is a dead body?

00:32:34It is

00:32:41Do we need guns or nothing?

00:32:43The sun was setting when the police pulled up

00:32:45Body cams rolling

00:32:46Shock all across the county

00:32:48Yeah

00:32:49All this time

00:32:51Law enforcement hasn't found her

00:32:52The dogs haven't found her

00:32:53You guys

00:32:54Searching on a Wednesday

00:32:56Have found

00:32:56Yeah

00:32:57Missing Emily Noble

00:33:05We were there quite a long time

00:33:06Yeah

00:33:07Gave our statements

00:33:09I'm going to need information from you guys

00:33:11Okay

00:33:12What were you guys doing back here?

00:33:14Looking for Emily

00:33:14Okay

00:33:19What do we got?

00:33:21The image of Emily's remains is blurred in this police video

00:33:25With more officers arriving

00:33:27With more officers arriving

00:33:27The police took stock of the awful scene

00:33:31Detective Grubbs arrived about an hour later

00:33:33I would say let's keep this dark right now

00:33:36Since we're so close

00:33:37At that point, are you starting to worry about blowback?

00:33:40My goodness, she's been here for almost four months

00:33:42And we missed her

00:33:43Absolutely

00:33:44It's

00:33:45It was

00:33:46The blowback is a good word for it

00:33:49But it was almost

00:33:52It was embarrassing

00:33:55Because now he knew what Lisa, Sherry, Sue

00:33:57And everyone else knew

00:33:59After that long summer of searches big and small

00:34:02From downtown Columbus to rural areas miles away

00:34:05Emily never got very far

00:34:07Those houses?

00:34:09That's right where she lived

00:34:11And that's where Matt Moore was that very night

00:34:14When he got the news

00:34:15Next, he tells us his story

00:34:18My sister called me

00:34:19And she's like

00:34:20They found a body by your house

00:34:21And I was just like

00:34:24What?

00:34:25What?

00:34:26Where?

00:34:40Yeah, lock it down

00:34:42Lock this woods down for now

00:34:4246, down for

00:34:43Make it as big as we can

00:34:45After Emily Noble's remains

00:34:47Were discovered in a tiny clearing in the woods

00:34:50Westerville police officers

00:34:51And emergency responders

00:34:52Worked into the night

00:34:54Processing the scene

00:34:55That's a

00:34:56Like a

00:34:57Computer cord

00:34:59That's a USB

00:35:00That's a USB

00:35:00Yep

00:35:02Emily's skeletal remains

00:35:03Were found in a kneeling position

00:35:05A USB cord suspended from a branch

00:35:08Was looped around her neck bones

00:35:10And a water bottle

00:35:11Containing alcohol

00:35:12Was lying nearby

00:35:13Emily, it seemed

00:35:15Had hanged herself

00:35:17Can you imagine her finding her way down to that clearing in the woods

00:35:20And that dense brush

00:35:21And doing what she did

00:35:22She was a brave person

00:35:24Brave

00:35:25Extremely brave

00:35:26It was just

00:35:27She had enough

00:35:29Matt Moore wanted to share his side of the story

00:35:32To tell us of the grief and guilt and terrible sadness

00:35:35He says he felt when Emily's body was discovered

00:35:39Another apparent suicide

00:35:41Emily's first husband

00:35:43Matt's son

00:35:44And then Emily herself

00:35:47I've never been more in love with a person in my entire life

00:35:49I feel awful that I didn't spend more time thinking about

00:35:53How she felt

00:35:54That she would do something like this

00:35:56But

00:35:58She wasn't sick like Joey

00:36:00It was Emily

00:36:02From the moment Emily disappeared

00:36:04Matt was well aware

00:36:05That he was the subject of intense scrutiny

00:36:07That he was seen as a killer

00:36:09He wanted to tell us

00:36:10He's not the bad guy

00:36:11He was made out to be

00:36:12And he wanted to talk about

00:36:14The good times with Emily

00:36:15Starting with their love story

00:36:19Emily and Matt were together

00:36:20For the better part of five years

00:36:22They met online

00:36:24It was 2015

00:36:25He called her

00:36:26But he says

00:36:27She picked him

00:36:28Tell me first impressions

00:36:30She's an online name to you

00:36:31She was, yeah, this

00:36:34Mysterious

00:36:34Click right, click left

00:36:35Kind of things

00:36:36Dark eyed

00:36:37Small, petite

00:36:38Kind of

00:36:39Who's that

00:36:40And we met

00:36:41And we just

00:36:42Right immediately

00:36:43She picked me

00:36:44You know how

00:36:45Girls

00:36:45They pick you

00:36:47I got picked

00:36:48So I became Emily's boyfriend

00:36:52Two years into the relationship

00:36:54Matt moved back to Las Vegas

00:36:56The romance apparently over

00:36:58Matt says he was focused on Joey

00:37:00Struggling with his signs of serious mental illness

00:37:03He went from being an amazing guitar player

00:37:05To not being able to play anymore

00:37:06And then he would all of a sudden get better again

00:37:10It's a weird

00:37:12It's just

00:37:12It's horrible

00:37:13Hearing voices, that kind of thing?

00:37:15Sure

00:37:15By then he was in the hospital

00:37:18But when you got someone that's sick

00:37:19Like that

00:37:20I needed help

00:37:21And she just

00:37:22There she was one night

00:37:23She?

00:37:24Emily

00:37:25She's what?

00:37:26On the phone?

00:37:26Or you're messaging?

00:37:27Text me

00:37:27And just

00:37:28Hey, what's going on?

00:37:29I'm just like

00:37:31Hey

00:37:31I need help

00:37:33You want to get married?

00:37:34She's like

00:37:35Yeah

00:37:35Really?

00:37:36Just as simple as that?

00:37:37Mm-hmm

00:37:37Yeah

00:37:38It was like magic

00:37:39It literally was like magic

00:37:40She knew that offer was sort of

00:37:41You get Joey too, right?

00:37:42Yes

00:37:42She knew I was

00:37:43I needed help with Joey

00:37:45She knew

00:37:46That's when Matt and Joey

00:37:47Packed up the car

00:37:48And drove east to Emily's

00:37:49Tidy little condo in Ohio

00:37:51As Matt tells it

00:37:52The three of them made it work

00:37:54She taught us so much

00:37:55This is the way

00:37:56I want things done here

00:37:57And we did it

00:37:58It sounds like she's Charles in charge here, huh?

00:38:00She is

00:38:01She ran the show

00:38:02Every aspect of it

00:38:03Emily has rules

00:38:03And they will be followed

00:38:04They will

00:38:05And it was a good

00:38:06They were good rules

00:38:06We needed it

00:38:07They were structured

00:38:08It was folding laundry

00:38:10Loading the dishwasher

00:38:12That was one of his jobs

00:38:13Everything

00:38:14Then after the dreadful event

00:38:16Joey hanging himself

00:38:17Matt and Emily struggled

00:38:19Both grieving

00:38:20Matt drank heavily

00:38:21Emily saw a therapist

00:38:23Fighting anxiety and depression

00:38:25I knew she had serious problems

00:38:27But it was just

00:38:28I didn't have the bandwidth

00:38:30In my head

00:38:30To deal with her

00:38:31She was suicidal

00:38:33She made it apparent

00:38:35She said

00:38:36She would say it

00:38:36I'm going to kill myself

00:38:37If you leave me

00:38:38That was conversations

00:38:39Spoken up

00:38:40I don't know

00:38:41Like three times

00:38:41She said it

00:38:42She would just come into the room

00:38:43What triggered that thing?

00:38:44Because I just wasn't

00:38:45Paying attention to her

00:38:46I think

00:38:47This is after Joey

00:38:48She would say

00:38:48Yeah

00:38:49And just like

00:38:49You know what

00:38:51You got to leave me be

00:38:53Had you ever said

00:38:53I'm out of here?

00:38:54Absolutely not

00:38:55I was never going to go anywhere

00:38:56I was so in love with her

00:38:57And I was just

00:38:57I couldn't have made it

00:38:59Without her

00:38:59No, I needed her

00:39:00Did you also love her?

00:39:02To death

00:39:02Different things

00:39:03Needing and loving

00:39:04To death

00:39:06She was perfect

00:39:09That's how Matt says

00:39:10He saw the relationship

00:39:11But what about Emily?

00:39:13Matt said some awful things

00:39:15Remember that text

00:39:15Police confronted him with

00:39:16The one Emily sent a friend

00:39:18Saying she wasn't wearing

00:39:20Her wedding ring

00:39:21In fact when her body was found

00:39:23Her wedding ring was nearby

00:39:25As Matt recalled

00:39:26It was just part of the

00:39:28Back and forth of life

00:39:29With Emily

00:39:30Emily would go from

00:39:31This extreme

00:39:32I'm taking my wedding ring off

00:39:34And then the next day

00:39:35Would be right back

00:39:36To everything was fine

00:39:37Fine

00:39:38And even fine

00:39:40Like the day

00:39:41Matt flew a drone

00:39:42Inside the condo

00:39:43Just two weeks

00:39:44Before Emily disappeared

00:39:48That's Emily

00:39:49Laughing in the background

00:39:51And then

00:39:52She was gone

00:39:53And the police

00:39:54Refused to believe

00:39:55That he wasn't involved

00:39:57You killed her

00:39:58And it was an accident

00:39:59They did this thing

00:40:00To try to rattle me

00:40:01But there was nothing to rattle

00:40:02Because I didn't do anything

00:40:04He says at first

00:40:05He did want to help police

00:40:06Find his wife

00:40:07I took a lie detector test

00:40:09Why'd you agree to that?

00:40:10Why'd you agree to a lie detector?

00:40:11Why would you be afraid

00:40:12Of a lie detector test

00:40:13If you don't have anything

00:40:13To lie about?

00:40:14I didn't think anything of it

00:40:15I didn't know

00:40:16While the police

00:40:17In much of the town

00:40:18Had branded him a killer

00:40:19He says he was clinging

00:40:21To hope that Emily

00:40:22Had decided to take off

00:40:23On her own

00:40:24He even gave

00:40:25$10,000

00:40:26To Crimestoppers

00:40:27So they could offer

00:40:28A reward for information

00:40:30The dogs took them

00:40:31To this guy's driveway

00:40:33And lost her scent

00:40:34In the middle of the road

00:40:35Like she had gotten in a car

00:40:36I'm hopeful

00:40:37That's what happened

00:40:38Were you a little hesitant

00:40:39To go over to the parking lot

00:40:40At the church

00:40:41And join all the searchers?

00:40:42The police, yeah

00:40:43You don't join police

00:40:45On searches

00:40:45After you've been accused

00:40:46Of murder

00:40:46Was this the case

00:40:48That law enforcement

00:40:48Had left the station

00:40:49And could not be slowed down?

00:40:51Yeah, it's like a train

00:40:52Comes pulling out of the

00:40:53Is that what you were feeling?

00:40:54Yeah, like a

00:40:55And you can't

00:40:56It's on a train track

00:40:56It's a train

00:40:57You can't stop it

00:40:58You're like

00:40:58You're being railroaded

00:40:59You're like

00:41:00How do I stop this?

00:41:01Well, they found her

00:41:02Maybe that would stop it

00:41:06Emily found

00:41:07And it looked like

00:41:08She died by suicide

00:41:09Not murder

00:41:11Those cruel accusations

00:41:12From the police

00:41:13And the court of public opinion

00:41:14Were all behind him

00:41:16Right?

00:41:17Remember, you're watching

00:41:18Dateline

00:41:19There's more to come

00:41:20For Matt

00:41:21Right around the corner

00:41:36The question

00:41:37What had happened

00:41:38To Emily Noble

00:41:39Had been answered

00:41:40At least as far as

00:41:42Matt Moore

00:41:42And his friends

00:41:43Were concerned

00:41:45I remember

00:41:46The day they found

00:41:47Her body

00:41:47That's when things

00:41:48Like, you know

00:41:49Definitely changed

00:41:50Because now we knew

00:41:51What happened

00:41:53He was lying on the couch

00:41:54With his hands over his eyes

00:41:56Hands over his head

00:41:57Because he couldn't believe it

00:41:59He didn't want to believe it

00:42:00What details of the discovery

00:42:03Stuck with you?

00:42:04That she had hung herself

00:42:08That it was somewhere

00:42:10She was familiar with

00:42:12That USB cord

00:42:13The kneeling position

00:42:15Matt Moore says

00:42:16The awful truth

00:42:17Was clear

00:42:17To him anyway

00:42:20She put the thing

00:42:21Around her neck

00:42:22And she just leaned into it

00:42:23It's a partially

00:42:25Suspended hanging

00:42:26Looking back

00:42:27On her last day

00:42:28Before their birthday

00:42:29Night out

00:42:30He wonders

00:42:31If he missed the signs

00:42:32They had taken a drive

00:42:33Out to the country

00:42:34We collected spring water

00:42:36On the way back

00:42:37Halfway through

00:42:38We stopped

00:42:38It's gorgeous

00:42:39Sun shining

00:42:40It's just a beautiful day

00:42:41She was a little quiet

00:42:43And when using that word quiet

00:42:45What was different

00:42:45What were you thinking?

00:42:46I would say things

00:42:47Because I'm a clown

00:42:48To try to make her laugh

00:42:49And she didn't laugh at all

00:42:51She just like

00:42:52Looked out the window

00:42:53And now

00:42:54Maybe Matt thought

00:42:55That discovery in the woods

00:42:56Would put an end

00:42:57To all the questions

00:42:58But police were not ready

00:43:00To declare this

00:43:01Case closed

00:43:02Just seeing her

00:43:03Finding the remains

00:43:03Did it explain

00:43:04What had happened here?

00:43:05Did it tell its story?

00:43:07At that point

00:43:08No

00:43:08And it

00:43:09It still didn't seem

00:43:11Right

00:43:11It just

00:43:12It's that inner gut feeling

00:43:14That you have

00:43:15It just

00:43:15It seemed like

00:43:16There was more

00:43:16To the story

00:43:17Than what we were seeing

00:43:18At this point

00:43:18She took off

00:43:19She went into the woods

00:43:20And she hung herself

00:43:21That's one theory

00:43:22Absolutely

00:43:23And another theory

00:43:24Is that

00:43:25This was staged

00:43:26To look like a suicide

00:43:28The question

00:43:29Quickly took shape

00:43:30Was it suicide

00:43:31Or homicide?

00:43:33The only way

00:43:34That we're going

00:43:34To be able to

00:43:35Get a better feel

00:43:36For that

00:43:36Is through

00:43:37Emily's body itself

00:43:39She'd been out

00:43:39In the elements

00:43:40All summer

00:43:40That's correct

00:43:42Her remains

00:43:43Were mostly bones

00:43:44By then

00:43:44There's no going back

00:43:45But if you had

00:43:46Found her two days in

00:43:47It would have been

00:43:48A different story

00:43:49Absolutely

00:43:49You could have had

00:43:51Visible bruising

00:43:52You could have had

00:43:53Marks around the neck

00:43:54Any defensive wounds

00:43:56Any other evidence

00:43:58That could have been there

00:43:59Was just gone

00:43:59Due to the passage of time

00:44:02Emily's friends

00:44:03The ones we spoke to

00:44:04Didn't need an autopsy

00:44:06To confirm

00:44:06What they already believed

00:44:08Despite what Matt

00:44:09Had said about Emily

00:44:11They were convinced

00:44:12She would never

00:44:13Ever end her own life

00:44:15It's just not

00:44:15In her nature to me

00:44:16You know

00:44:18I just don't

00:44:19Of all the things

00:44:20That she's been through

00:44:21I can't think of anything

00:44:22That would bring her

00:44:23To do that

00:44:25You know

00:44:25Or anybody

00:44:27Could drive her

00:44:28Over the edge

00:44:29Like that

00:44:29You know

00:44:32And remember

00:44:32Emily's last night

00:44:34Was her birthday

00:44:35Friends say

00:44:36She wouldn't harm herself

00:44:37On that day

00:44:38Of all days

00:44:38Her sister's birthday

00:44:40Is the day after hers

00:44:42So they always talked

00:44:43On the 25th

00:44:44Because they were

00:44:45The same age

00:44:46For a day

00:44:47And she promised

00:44:48Her sister

00:44:49She would not kill herself

00:44:51So I know

00:44:52She didn't kill herself

00:44:55Despite her past troubles

00:44:56Many friends say

00:44:58She loved her life

00:44:58Too much to end it

00:45:00She was always

00:45:01Full of life

00:45:02And love

00:45:03And bubbly

00:45:04And just

00:45:05So much fun

00:45:07Detective Grubbs

00:45:08Was listening to

00:45:09Emily's loved ones

00:45:10And their concerns

00:45:11Were mirroring his own

00:45:12He knew Emily

00:45:13Had been ripped up

00:45:14By Joey's death

00:45:15But his takeaway

00:45:16Emily was dealing with it

00:45:18Matt was not

00:45:19She had been

00:45:21Seeing a counselor

00:45:22And the most striking

00:45:25Thing with that

00:45:25Is that

00:45:26She was concerned

00:45:28About Matt's mental health

00:45:30After Joey's suicide

00:45:32And she was trying

00:45:33To figure out

00:45:34The best way

00:45:35Possible

00:45:36To help Matt

00:45:37Through all this

00:45:37So she's telling

00:45:38The therapist

00:45:39He's

00:45:40I'm worried about

00:45:40My guy here

00:45:41Yes

00:45:42Delaware County

00:45:43Assistant Prosecutor

00:45:44Mark Sleeper

00:45:45Was looking hard

00:45:46At the Emily Noble case

00:45:48And noticing

00:45:49Even little details

00:45:50Remember how the bed

00:45:51Was made

00:45:52The morning Emily

00:45:53Was reported missing

00:45:54So I see that

00:45:54The bed was made

00:45:55Did you do that

00:45:56Or she did that

00:45:57That seemed to be

00:45:58A clue for investigators

00:45:59They suspected

00:46:00Emily never actually

00:46:01Got to bed that night

00:46:02Because she

00:46:03Was already dead

00:46:04I find it ultimately

00:46:06Very ridiculous

00:46:06To think that

00:46:07Emily woke up

00:46:08That morning

00:46:09After having a nice

00:46:10Evening out

00:46:10Decided to make her bed

00:46:12Before she wandered off

00:46:12Into the woods

00:46:13To hang herself

00:46:13On the other hand

00:46:14And she is a neatnik

00:46:15There's a house

00:46:15That you could

00:46:16Literally eat off

00:46:17The floor

00:46:18I mean I don't think

00:46:19That's totally inconsistent

00:46:20I find it

00:46:22In light of

00:46:22All the other evidence

00:46:23To be an absurd

00:46:25Version of events

00:46:27So if not suicide

00:46:28Just because it

00:46:29Couldn't be

00:46:29It had to be

00:46:30Homicide

00:46:31That notion

00:46:32Started percolating

00:46:33Through social media

00:46:34And took hold

00:46:35And all of a sudden

00:46:37The Facebook page

00:46:38That read

00:46:38Finding M Noble

00:46:39Changed to

00:46:40Justice for Emily Noble

00:46:42Matt thought

00:46:43Law enforcement

00:46:44Was bearing down

00:46:45On him

00:46:45His friends did too

00:46:47The police started

00:46:48Following him

00:46:48Around everywhere

00:46:49He'd see him

00:46:50On his security cameras

00:46:51They would just

00:46:52Pull up and wait

00:46:53Right outside of his house

00:46:54At weird hours

00:46:55In the morning

00:46:56And at night

00:46:56He became very paranoid

00:46:59Of going anywhere

00:47:00Because he

00:47:01I mean he was afraid

00:47:02Something was going

00:47:03To happen to him

00:47:04Matt Moore

00:47:05Had every reason

00:47:06To worry

00:47:06Put your hands

00:47:07Over your eyes

00:47:08Do not

00:47:09Move

00:47:10Put your hands

00:47:11Back on your head

00:47:12A takedown

00:47:14In sleepy Westerville

00:47:31The Westerville Police Department

00:47:33In a suburban village

00:47:34With tidy houses

00:47:35And manicured lawns

00:47:37Takes pride

00:47:38In its community relations

00:47:39And crime prevention

00:47:41Steve Grubbs

00:47:42Had been a full-time detective

00:47:44About two and a half years

00:47:45When he asked

00:47:45For the Emily Noble case

00:47:48This was his first time

00:47:49Leading a homicide investigation

00:47:52Police had already

00:47:53Searched Matt

00:47:54And Emily's neighborhood

00:47:55Their cars

00:47:56Their home

00:47:56All just a short distance

00:47:58From the woods

00:47:59Where she was found

00:48:00Was there any reason

00:48:01To believe that

00:48:02She had been killed

00:48:02Somewhere and then

00:48:03Brought to that place

00:48:04No, we didn't

00:48:05Strung up

00:48:05We, you know

00:48:07The condo

00:48:08Obviously had been

00:48:09Thoroughly searched

00:48:10At that point

00:48:11With no trace

00:48:12Of a crime

00:48:13Anywhere else

00:48:14Detective Grubbs

00:48:15Operated on the theory

00:48:16That Emily was killed

00:48:18In the woods

00:48:18And that Matt

00:48:19Was clearly the killer

00:48:20Even Celeste

00:48:22Who Matt considered

00:48:23A friend

00:48:23Had come around

00:48:24To the police

00:48:25Point of view

00:48:26Did you believe

00:48:26At that point

00:48:27Celeste

00:48:27That she was

00:48:28In fact murdered

00:48:29And had not

00:48:30Committed suicide

00:48:31And that Matt

00:48:32Had something to do

00:48:33With it

00:48:33Maybe the person

00:48:34Who killed her

00:48:34Yes

00:48:35I have a friend

00:48:36Who is a former

00:48:38Homicide detective

00:48:39And she went through

00:48:41The fact that

00:48:43Usually when

00:48:44A person disappears

00:48:47The killer is the spouse

00:48:49Or someone very close to them

00:48:53Put together your theory

00:48:55In one place

00:48:55Of what happened to them

00:48:56Say from the time

00:48:57They returned

00:48:57From their evening

00:48:58Of birthday celebration

00:48:59And the drinks

00:49:00I would suspect

00:49:01That Emily might have

00:49:02Got a little snippy

00:49:03Because sometimes she does

00:49:04You know

00:49:05We're all human

00:49:06And it probably

00:49:07Just kind of backfired

00:49:09Court of public opinion

00:49:11Calls these things

00:49:11Pretty quickly

00:49:12I mean

00:49:12We don't need to go to trial

00:49:13We've got it figured out

00:49:14You've done enough

00:49:15Of these shows

00:49:15I mean you know

00:49:16The spouse is always

00:49:17A suspect right

00:49:18That's the bias out there

00:49:19Yeah for sure

00:49:19Does it bleed into

00:49:20Official investigations

00:49:21I wonder

00:49:22Um I don't think so

00:49:23I mean

00:49:24I think that

00:49:25Law enforcement knows

00:49:26That that's a person

00:49:27That they have to look at

00:49:28And either clear

00:49:29Or figure out

00:49:30That they've got

00:49:30A real suspect there

00:49:31And um

00:49:32But I don't think

00:49:34That had any impact

00:49:35In this particular case

00:49:37For now

00:49:38Public opinion

00:49:38Had to wait in the wings

00:49:40The mechanics

00:49:41Of strangulation

00:49:42Were about to take

00:49:43Center stage

00:49:44I think it's a story

00:49:45Going to be told

00:49:46By bones

00:49:46This is going to be

00:49:47An expert

00:49:48An expert's duel

00:49:49Yeah I think that's fair

00:49:50Once the remains

00:49:51Were found

00:49:51They ultimately

00:49:53Ended up with

00:49:53Ohio State

00:49:54Emily's remains

00:49:56Were so dried out

00:49:57And decomposed

00:49:58The coroner decided

00:49:59They needed

00:49:59A special kind

00:50:00Of examination

00:50:01So he called

00:50:03On some experts

00:50:03At the Ohio State

00:50:04University

00:50:05To analyze Emily's bones

00:50:07They issued

00:50:08This report

00:50:09Which concluded

00:50:10That Emily suffered

00:50:11Fractures in her neck

00:50:12And her face

00:50:13Some old

00:50:13Some from around

00:50:15The time of death

00:50:16It's called

00:50:17Perimortem trauma

00:50:18A fracture along

00:50:19The nasal bones

00:50:21And the second

00:50:22Is the perimortem fracture

00:50:24Of

00:50:24In the neck

00:50:27No surprise

00:50:28Perhaps

00:50:28That the bones

00:50:29In her neck

00:50:29Were fractured

00:50:30But a new

00:50:31Nasal fracture

00:50:32That was interesting

00:50:33Could it have been

00:50:34An old ski accident

00:50:35Or a car accident

00:50:35Or something

00:50:36And it just healed itself

00:50:37No according to

00:50:38The doctors

00:50:39It happened

00:50:39Around the time

00:50:40Of her death

00:50:40So something

00:50:42She's been beaten

00:50:42About the face

00:50:43That's correct

00:50:44Prosecutors sent

00:50:45The report

00:50:46To an emergency

00:50:47Physician

00:50:47With special training

00:50:48In forensic medicine

00:50:49His name

00:50:50Is Bill Smock

00:50:51He produced

00:50:52His own report

00:50:53With an illustration

00:50:54Concluding

00:50:55That Emily Noble

00:50:56Was murdered

00:50:57This he said

00:50:58Was a stage suicide

00:51:00After Dr. Smock's

00:51:01Report came back

00:51:02I think it

00:51:03Confirmed what I

00:51:04What I believe

00:51:05That we had a homicide

00:51:06And it was worth

00:51:07Prosecuting

00:51:07Is Smock

00:51:08The most important

00:51:09Development in your case

00:51:10Oh he's very important

00:51:11For sure

00:51:13The Westerville police

00:51:14Also knew this

00:51:15Matt's first wife

00:51:17Had accused him

00:51:17Of domestic violence

00:51:18Two decades earlier

00:51:19In Las Vegas

00:51:20She told police

00:51:22He choked her

00:51:23It was wrong

00:51:24I shouldn't have

00:51:24Put my hands on her

00:51:25But you know

00:51:25It was a long time ago

00:51:26It was what it was

00:51:28They came

00:51:28Arrested me

00:51:29They let me go

00:51:30I went home

00:51:30No charges

00:51:31No

00:51:31No they dropped everything

00:51:33And it wasn't any problem

00:51:34After that

00:51:34We had

00:51:35We had Joey

00:51:36There wasn't any violence

00:51:38After that

00:51:38But that old story

00:51:40Looked bad

00:51:4120 years later

00:51:42Now armed with those

00:51:43Forensic reports

00:51:44The Westerville police

00:51:46And prosecutors

00:51:46Figured they had

00:51:48What they needed

00:51:48I think that

00:51:50There were no other

00:51:52Suspects in this universe

00:51:53That could have

00:51:53Committed this crime

00:51:54On that timeline

00:51:55On June 17th

00:51:572021

00:51:57Law enforcement

00:51:59Descended on Matt Moore

00:52:00Like SEAL Team 6

00:52:02The police video

00:52:03Looked like an

00:52:04Action movie takedown

00:52:05On a suburban street

00:52:06Put your hands

00:52:06Over your eyes

00:52:08Do not f***ing move

00:52:10Use your left hand

00:52:12And unlock the door

00:52:13Put your hands

00:52:14Back on your head

00:52:16Do not move

00:52:17They were ready for me

00:52:19Perfect

00:52:20It's pulse pounding footage

00:52:22It's porn for the blue line crowd

00:52:24It got over half million views

00:52:25Just that alone

00:52:26On YouTube

00:52:27Alright

00:52:27Step on down man

00:52:28I mean here are these guys

00:52:29Body armor tactical weapons

00:52:31You guys could have just called me

00:52:32That's kind of a joke

00:52:33I was like what are you doing

00:52:34What's with all this

00:52:35You know

00:52:36Literally you could have just called me

00:52:40And then you were charged with

00:52:41First degree murder

00:52:42Two counts of murder

00:52:45And one count of felonious assault

00:52:48With that

00:52:48Matt Moore was issued

00:52:50A jail jumpsuit

00:52:51And waited for trial

00:52:52More than one year later

00:52:54His fate would hang

00:52:55On the opinion

00:52:56Of forensic experts

00:52:58One in particular

00:52:59Was prepared to tell the jury

00:53:00That Emily's bones proved

00:53:02She was murdered

00:53:03This death

00:53:06Is a homicidal death

00:53:08Based upon the nature

00:53:09Of the fractures

00:53:10In Emily's neck

00:53:27On August 17th

00:53:292022

00:53:29The courthouse

00:53:31In Delaware County

00:53:32Ohio

00:53:32Was abuzz

00:53:33As TV cameras

00:53:35Began covering

00:53:35The trial

00:53:36Of Matthew Moore

00:53:37This is a staged

00:53:40Suicide scene

00:53:41I watched as much

00:53:42Of the trial

00:53:43As I could stand to

00:53:44When I wasn't there

00:53:45It was just a sad story

00:53:47It was really sad

00:53:49To see

00:53:49See it unfold

00:53:52It had been more than

00:53:53Two years

00:53:54Since Emily Noble's

00:53:55Disappearance

00:53:55And the case

00:53:56Against her husband

00:53:57According to the prosecution

00:53:58Was clear

00:53:59Emily's bones

00:54:01Showed she was murdered

00:54:02And Matt Moore's

00:54:03Behavior gave him away

00:54:05I was dispatched

00:54:06To an address

00:54:07On a report

00:54:08Of a missing person

00:54:09Sergeant Robert Hollis

00:54:11The responding officer

00:54:11With a body cam

00:54:12Testified the first day

00:54:14Hey how you doing

00:54:15He told the jury

00:54:16About his conversation

00:54:17With Matt Moore

00:54:18How Matt

00:54:19Actually described

00:54:20The spot

00:54:21Where Emily

00:54:21Would eventually be found

00:54:22We're on that bridge

00:54:24There's

00:54:25Where she likes to go

00:54:26Where a lot of the edibles are

00:54:27So literally

00:54:28That's her walk

00:54:30Did you go there today

00:54:31Looking for her

00:54:32No I didn't

00:54:33If your wife is missing

00:54:34And you think you know

00:54:35Where she is

00:54:35Why not just go walk

00:54:36That path

00:54:38Emily's loved ones

00:54:39Testified of course

00:54:40I was called to the stand

00:54:41Tell me about that moment

00:54:43You're here

00:54:43He's there

00:54:44You're looking in his eye

00:54:45What's going on

00:54:45Do you see him

00:54:46In the courtroom today

00:54:49I had to look around

00:54:50He was all shaven

00:54:52And his hair short

00:54:53And dressed nicely

00:54:57Yes

00:54:58It wasn't Wild Mountain Matt

00:55:00No it wasn't

00:55:02No

00:55:02I love Celeste

00:55:03She was Emily's best friend

00:55:05Absolutely

00:55:06It broke my heart

00:55:07When I finally came to realize

00:55:09That she thought

00:55:10I did something

00:55:10To her

00:55:12Celeste told the jury

00:55:13That Emily seemed just fine

00:55:15A couple of days

00:55:15Before she disappeared

00:55:16Certainly not depressed

00:55:18And what was Emily's demeanor

00:55:20While you guys were together

00:55:21She was very happy

00:55:23While we were together

00:55:24Another friend

00:55:26Suzanne Cavanaugh

00:55:26Testified that

00:55:27If Emily had a problem

00:55:28It was Matt

00:55:30She said he drank to excess

00:55:32And seemed possessive of Emily

00:55:34What's more

00:55:35The last time she saw Emily

00:55:36There were bruises on her arms

00:55:38Did you ask Emily about it?

00:55:41I did

00:55:42And

00:55:43Could you describe for the jury

00:55:45Her emotional state

00:55:48Based on

00:55:50What you asked her about the bruises?

00:55:53It was very defensive

00:55:59Our conversation became very heated

00:56:02The prosecution continued to build

00:56:05Its backdrop story

00:56:06Of a marriage and trouble

00:56:07They used text between Emily and Matt

00:56:09To bolster their theory

00:56:11This is one of the exchanges

00:56:12Detective Stephen Grubbs

00:56:14Read to the jury

00:56:14Starting with a text from Emily

00:56:17It's difficult

00:56:18To impossible

00:56:19To talk with you

00:56:20When you have vodka brain

00:56:21And what was the defense response to that?

00:56:25Matthew Moore says

00:56:25That is an excuse

00:56:26You are afraid to be confronted

00:56:28With things you don't agree with

00:56:30Your intellect is shallow

00:56:33Prosecutors showed the interrogation

00:56:34Not the part where police accused Matt of murder

00:56:37But this part

00:56:38Where Matt early on

00:56:39Seemed to bring suspicion upon himself

00:56:42I want to get this going

00:56:43Because I didn't do it

00:56:44And I want you to find

00:56:45Whatever the hell happened to her

00:56:46Me too

00:56:47I want it to happen

00:56:50Detective

00:56:51As you began that discussion

00:56:53With Mr. Moore

00:56:54Anything stand out to you

00:56:55About your initial interaction with him?

00:56:57Yes

00:56:57He stated he didn't do it

00:57:01And you accused him of doing anything

00:57:04In particular at that time?

00:57:06No sir

00:57:07The jury heard that Matt

00:57:08Stopped talking directly to police

00:57:10And didn't participate

00:57:11In the public searches

00:57:12And remember the public speculation

00:57:15That Matt's friend and brother

00:57:16Helped him in some mysterious

00:57:18Possibly nefarious way

00:57:20The prosecutor didn't get specific

00:57:22But he did tell the jury

00:57:24That Matt wrote each man a check

00:57:25For $5,000

00:57:27This is another copy of a check

00:57:29That was filled out and signed

00:57:31By Matthew Moore

00:57:32And who was that check written to?

00:57:35Arturo Rogaroli

00:57:37On day five of the trial

00:57:38The prosecution got down

00:57:40To the all-important science

00:57:42The state's expert

00:57:43Amanda Agnew

00:57:44Director of the

00:57:45Skeletal Biology Research Lab

00:57:47At The Ohio State University

00:57:49Issued the report

00:57:50That jump-started the case

00:57:51Against Matt Moore

00:57:52She concluded

00:57:53There were four fractures

00:57:55In Emily's neck bones

00:57:56The hyoid bone

00:57:59Which is very high

00:58:01In the neck

00:58:02Sort of underneath your jaw

00:58:05As well as the laryngeal cartilages

00:58:11That surround your voice box

00:58:14Essentially

00:58:15She also testified

00:58:17See those red arrows

00:58:18That Emily's nasal bones

00:58:20Were fractured around the time of death

00:58:22There was some perimortem trauma

00:58:24In the

00:58:26Or on the nasal bones

00:58:28And around the nasal aperture

00:58:31Or where the nose is

00:58:32On the face

00:58:33Say we call the next witness

00:58:35And then came the prosecution's

00:58:37Star witness

00:58:38Dr. Bill Smock

00:58:39Who serves as medical director

00:58:41For the Training Institute

00:58:42On Strangulation Prevention

00:58:44He told the jury

00:58:45Emily suffered what he called

00:58:47An acute fracture to her face

00:58:49Miss Emily Noble sustained

00:58:50Significant blunt force trauma

00:58:52To her face

00:58:52If there is enough force

00:58:54To create a fracture

00:58:56Even a small fracture

00:58:57That says there is

00:58:58Significant blunt force trauma

00:59:00To the nose

00:59:00And you see that?

00:59:01Yes

00:59:03His point

00:59:04Emily was punched in the face

00:59:06When she died

00:59:06That's certainly not consistent

00:59:08With suicide

00:59:09But the overriding question was

00:59:11Did Emily kill herself

00:59:13With that USB cord?

00:59:15Dr. Smock's answer was

00:59:16No way

00:59:17He used that illustration

00:59:19From his report

00:59:20Along with a model

00:59:21To demonstrate the location

00:59:23Of those fractured bones

00:59:24They are too far apart

00:59:26He said

00:59:26To have been broken

00:59:27By one thin cord

00:59:28So you've got

00:59:30A significant distance

00:59:32Between these four

00:59:35And or two

00:59:36On either side

00:59:37Anatomical structure

00:59:38Here and here

00:59:40Smock testified

00:59:41Someone's hands broke

00:59:43Those bones in Emily's neck

00:59:44Not a ligature

00:59:45Then he added some details

00:59:47That didn't appear

00:59:48In his original report

00:59:49Now in your training

00:59:51And experience

00:59:51Have you ever seen

00:59:53The same fracture pattern

00:59:56To a woman

00:59:58Weighing less than 110 pounds

01:00:00No ma'am

01:00:01I've never seen it personally

01:00:02And it's not in the medical literature

01:00:04Nowhere in the history

01:00:07Of forensic medicine

01:00:08Are there fractures

01:00:09Like Emily had in her neck

01:00:11Associated with an incomplete hanging

01:00:13For somebody that's her weight

01:00:14Never been reported

01:00:16Where is this database?

01:00:17Where do you go to?

01:00:18You go to the forensic medical literature

01:00:20Do you trust that database, doctor?

01:00:22I do

01:00:22It's the only database that we have

01:00:24Ultimately, as we sit here today

01:00:25I still believe

01:00:27The strongest piece of evidence

01:00:28Is Dr. Smock saying

01:00:29That those quadruple fractures

01:00:30Could not have been caused

01:00:31By that ligature

01:00:32This was making sense

01:00:34To friends like Wendy

01:00:35She didn't weigh enough

01:00:37To break her own hyoid bones

01:00:40By hanging from a little bush

01:00:41On her knees

01:00:45So at this point

01:00:46You may be wondering

01:00:47Experts, okay

01:00:48But where's the good stuff

01:00:50That all juries want to hear?

01:00:51The DNA

01:00:52The blood evidence

01:00:53Crime scene analysis

01:00:54Maybe a witness

01:00:56Or a surveillance camera shot

01:00:57Nope

01:00:58They had none of that

01:01:00And if you're going into trial

01:01:02With a physical evidence-like case

01:01:04As this was

01:01:04You certainly don't want to be opposed

01:01:06By this lawyer

01:01:07She has a fearsome success record

01:01:10In loss-caused cases

01:01:11Up next

01:01:13Diane Manashi

01:01:14For the defense

01:01:15Detective, how are you?

01:01:31Matt Moore's defense attorney

01:01:32Got straight to the point

01:01:33In her opening statement

01:01:34The evidence will show

01:01:36That the state's theory

01:01:37Is based on speculation

01:01:39And inferences

01:01:40Diane Manashi said

01:01:42Prosecutors didn't have

01:01:43Any evidence that Matt Moore

01:01:44Killed his wife

01:01:45And simply members of the jury

01:01:47Their theory

01:01:50Doesn't make sense

01:01:52Even so

01:01:53Matt Moore became

01:01:54The only suspect

01:01:55Within days of

01:01:56Emily's disappearance

01:01:57Why have the cops fixed on him?

01:01:59What's happened?

01:02:00Well, because it's an easy fix

01:02:02You know

01:02:03It's an easy fix

01:02:03And an obvious one

01:02:04And I think that

01:02:06You can't just focus

01:02:06On one person, right?

01:02:08You need to exhaust

01:02:09All possible avenues

01:02:10And suspects

01:02:10And they just didn't do that

01:02:12Detective, how are you?

01:02:14I'm okay, ma'am

01:02:14How are you?

01:02:15So when it came time

01:02:16To cross-examine

01:02:17Lead investigator

01:02:18Steve Grubbs

01:02:19The defense attorney

01:02:20Zeroed in on basic things

01:02:22She said the police

01:02:23Failed to do

01:02:24And the shirt

01:02:25That is pictured here

01:02:26Was found in

01:02:28The hamper

01:02:30Yes, ma'am

01:02:31In other words

01:02:32The very shirt

01:02:33Matt was wearing

01:02:34On his last night

01:02:35With Emily

01:02:36That shirt

01:02:37Was that submitted

01:02:38For testing?

01:02:44I don't think it was

01:02:45No

01:02:47Investigators never found

01:02:48Anything to connect

01:02:49Matt to the crime

01:02:50No blood

01:02:51No tissue

01:02:51No fibers

01:02:52And remember the dogs

01:02:54That tracked Emily

01:02:55Sent here?

01:02:56Did the investigators

01:02:57Drop the ball

01:02:58When it came to

01:02:59Following up?

01:02:59I just want to make sure

01:03:00The jurors know

01:03:01That you never conducted

01:03:02Any surveillance

01:03:03With respect to that house

01:03:05That's located

01:03:06Where the bloodhounds

01:03:07Tracked on two

01:03:08Different occasions

01:03:10Is that correct?

01:03:11That's correct

01:03:12I didn't see

01:03:13In your police report

01:03:14Either that you

01:03:14Ever requested

01:03:15Any CCHs

01:03:17Or criminal histories

01:03:17On anyone

01:03:19That lived in

01:03:20That house

01:03:21Or in and around

01:03:22That area

01:03:23Would you agree

01:03:24With me on that?

01:03:25That's correct

01:03:27And what about

01:03:28Those text messages

01:03:29That Emily and Matt

01:03:30Sent one another

01:03:31Prosecutors presented

01:03:32Them as proof

01:03:33Of a failed marriage

01:03:34Evidence of a motive

01:03:35For murder

01:03:36On cross

01:03:37The defense lawyer

01:03:38Dug in

01:03:39Let me be very clear

01:03:41Messages from Matt

01:03:43Moore's phone

01:03:44Do not include

01:03:45The following words

01:03:46Let's go through this

01:03:48I hate you

01:03:49Correct?

01:03:50That's correct

01:03:51I want you dead

01:03:52Correct?

01:03:54Correct

01:03:54That is never in there

01:03:56I am going to kill you

01:03:58Correct?

01:03:59Correct

01:04:00I am going to divorce you

01:04:02Not in there

01:04:03Correct?

01:04:05No

01:04:06In fact the one message

01:04:08You did read

01:04:08Was where he said

01:04:10If you

01:04:11If you

01:04:12Want to divorce me

01:04:14Let me know

01:04:17Isn't that correct?

01:04:18That's correct

01:04:20As for the very first lead

01:04:21Police had

01:04:22The across the street

01:04:23Neighbor who said

01:04:24He saw Emily

01:04:25On Memorial Day morning

01:04:26Your neighbor saw her

01:04:28In the garage

01:04:29About between 9 and 10 a.m.

01:04:31This morning

01:04:32Police said the neighbor

01:04:33John Kramer

01:04:34Later changed his story

01:04:35But when defense attorney

01:04:37Menashe sent her own

01:04:38Investigator to talk to him

01:04:39The investigator reported

01:04:41That Kramer just wasn't

01:04:42100% certain

01:04:43He saw Emily that morning

01:04:45John Kramer

01:04:46For the record

01:04:47Did not retract

01:04:48His testimony

01:04:49Or his statement

01:04:50To police

01:04:51What he said is

01:04:53He can't be

01:04:54Positive

01:04:55He's not positive now

01:04:57That he saw her

01:04:59On the morning of the 25th

01:05:00That's what he said

01:05:02When she wasn't

01:05:03Going after testimony

01:05:04Menashe was picking away

01:05:06At the prosecutor's actions

01:05:07Saying they put up

01:05:09Evidence without explanation

01:05:10What about those checks?

01:05:13What about those checks?

01:05:15Like those $5,000 checks

01:05:17Matt wrote to his brother

01:05:18And his friend Arturo

01:05:19It's like

01:05:20That expression

01:05:22That we all know

01:05:23When you just

01:05:23Throw things up

01:05:25And you see what'll stick

01:05:26And the rumor mill had it

01:05:28To hear the guy from Vegas

01:05:29Coming in

01:05:29Hating and abetting

01:05:30Right

01:05:31Maybe helping him

01:05:32Clean up and move

01:05:32Things around

01:05:33You know

01:05:33A good fella

01:05:34Coming out there

01:05:35And money transacting

01:05:36Over a missing person

01:05:38Something weird

01:05:39Must have happened

01:05:40But if I was that guy

01:05:42Would I have accepted

01:05:43A check?

01:05:44In the end

01:05:45Arturo says

01:05:45Matt was just

01:05:46Helping him with his

01:05:47Expenses during a tough time

01:05:50One by one

01:05:51The defense attorney

01:05:51Went after the

01:05:52Prosecutor's witnesses

01:05:53When she crossed

01:05:55Emily's friend

01:05:56Sue Cavanaugh

01:05:56Who testified

01:05:57She'd seen bruises

01:05:58On Emily's arm

01:05:59Menashe made the point

01:06:01The two women

01:06:02Were no longer close

01:06:03February of 2019

01:06:05Is the last time

01:06:07You see Emily

01:06:08In person

01:06:09Is that right?

01:06:10Yes

01:06:10You're aware

01:06:11That she went missing

01:06:12On May 25th

01:06:14Of 2020

01:06:17Correct

01:06:17As his attorney

01:06:19Chipped away

01:06:20At the state's case

01:06:21Matt started to feel

01:06:22That maybe

01:06:23Just maybe

01:06:23This would all be

01:06:25Behind him soon

01:06:26As you watched her

01:06:27Work the case

01:06:28I couldn't

01:06:29Work the room

01:06:29What were you seeing?

01:06:31There was things

01:06:32I can't be real specific

01:06:33About it

01:06:33But there was things

01:06:34That she would figure out

01:06:35On the fly

01:06:35They would do

01:06:36What they were doing

01:06:37And she would get up there

01:06:39And be like

01:06:39Wow

01:06:40There's things that

01:06:41I need to tell her

01:06:43So that she can

01:06:44Get up there

01:06:44And argue that point

01:06:45That they just made

01:06:45And she would get up there

01:06:46And she knew exactly

01:06:47What to say

01:06:47I'm like

01:06:47How would she know that?

01:06:49That said

01:06:50The defense faced

01:06:51A huge challenge

01:06:52Taking on the renowned expert

01:06:53Who insisted that

01:06:54Emily Noble died

01:06:55By manual strangulation

01:06:57After a punch in the face

01:06:59But what if that wasn't

01:07:01What really happened?

01:07:02I did not see

01:07:03Any skeletal evidence

01:07:04That she was punched

01:07:05In the face

01:07:19Emily Noble had a lot of friends

01:07:21And almost everyone we spoke to

01:07:23Was rooting for the state

01:07:25I was hopeful

01:07:26There would be a conviction

01:07:27I thought he killed her

01:07:28I thought he was guilty

01:07:29And I thought

01:07:30There was enough evidence

01:07:31To convict him

01:07:33They heard the forensic evidence

01:07:34That Emily was punched in the face

01:07:36And strangled by someone's hands

01:07:38Presumably Matt Moore's

01:07:40You can't punch yourself

01:07:41In the face

01:07:42And then they watched

01:07:44As Diane Menaschi

01:07:45Attempted to take apart

01:07:47The prosecution's forensic evidence

01:07:48Bit by bit

01:07:49You're only as good

01:07:51As the information you get

01:07:52In court

01:07:53She suggested

01:07:54That the first scientist

01:07:55To handle Emily's delicate remains

01:07:57May have damaged them

01:07:58Well the bones were soaked in bleach

01:08:00And we know that bleach

01:08:02Weakens and whitens bones

01:08:03We also know that the bones

01:08:05Were moved everywhere

01:08:05They were moved

01:08:07To the morgue

01:08:08To a cooler

01:08:09To the slab

01:08:10To a cooler

01:08:11To OSU

01:08:12If you get the bones

01:08:13That haven't been properly handled

01:08:15And preserved

01:08:16And are more brittle

01:08:17Than they should be

01:08:17Right?

01:08:18You're getting garbage

01:08:20This is not

01:08:21It's an expression

01:08:22Diane Menaschi likes

01:08:24Garbage in

01:08:25Garbage out

01:08:26Meaning when you put

01:08:27Bad data in the pipeline

01:08:28You get bad results

01:08:29So when she got a crack

01:08:31At the prosecution's

01:08:32Star witness

01:08:33Dr. Smock

01:08:34Have you ever heard

01:08:34The expression

01:08:35Garbage in

01:08:35Garbage out?

01:08:37Yes ma'am

01:08:38She suggested

01:08:39All his damning conclusions

01:08:40Were based on faulty

01:08:42And certainly not

01:08:43First hand information

01:08:44You were not at the scene

01:08:46To see how the literature

01:08:48Was around her neck

01:08:49Correct?

01:08:50That is correct

01:08:52There is no one

01:08:54That saw that

01:08:55Right?

01:08:56Well the picture

01:08:57We don't have it

01:08:58And you were not there

01:08:59And you were not there

01:09:00That is correct

01:09:01I was not there

01:09:02You also were not there

01:09:03And do not know

01:09:06If

01:09:08Over the course of four months

01:09:10The ligature began in one place

01:09:12And ended up in the other

01:09:14As the corpse

01:09:15Went from a 90 pound woman

01:09:17To being 18 pounds of skeleton

01:09:20You do not know that either

01:09:21Because you were not there

01:09:22That is correct

01:09:25Once the defense was through

01:09:26With the prosecution witnesses

01:09:28She got started on her own

01:09:30There were only two

01:09:31And this was the one who counted

01:09:33I'm Dr. Heather Garbin

01:09:35And where do you work?

01:09:37I am a full professor of anatomy

01:09:39At Des Moines University

01:09:41Dr. Heather Garbin

01:09:42Is also a board certified

01:09:44Forensic anthropologist

01:09:45Someone who analyzes skeletal remains

01:09:48To help solve criminal cases

01:09:49She examined hundreds of photos

01:09:52Of Emily Noble's remains

01:09:53And came to at least one surprising

01:09:55Case-altering conclusion

01:09:57Emily wasn't punched in the face

01:09:59When she died

01:10:00She saw old fractures

01:10:02From a broken nose

01:10:03That had healed years before

01:10:04But found no evidence

01:10:06Of perimortem

01:10:07Time of death

01:10:07Fractures in her face

01:10:09No evidence of perimortem fractures

01:10:11To the craniofacial region

01:10:12I did not see any skeletal evidence

01:10:15That she was punched in the face

01:10:16If you could take out

01:10:18The blow to the face

01:10:20Right?

01:10:20That was just one more thing

01:10:21To take out of the theory

01:10:22And remember how Dr. Smock

01:10:25Demonstrated that a USB cord

01:10:26The ligature

01:10:27Could not break those bones

01:10:29In Emily's neck

01:10:29Well, the defense argued

01:10:31He's getting his anatomy

01:10:33All wrong

01:10:33Starting with a drawing

01:10:35He used in his report

01:10:36So it was

01:10:37In response to this drawing

01:10:39That you included these

01:10:41Images in your report

01:10:44Yes, because I felt

01:10:45It was misleading

01:10:46Misleading, she says

01:10:48Because the bones

01:10:49That were broken

01:10:49In Emily's neck

01:10:50Look far apart

01:10:52In this picture

01:10:52And in Dr. Smock's model

01:10:55Dr. Garvin pointed out

01:10:56That's not what

01:10:57The human neck looks like

01:10:58She showed us

01:10:59A 3D printout

01:11:00A model

01:11:01Of the throat structure

01:11:02That's very close

01:11:03To real life scale

01:11:04These bones are close together

01:11:06And connected with a membrane

01:11:08Dr. Garvin says

01:11:09Given the right circumstances

01:11:11Those bones could break

01:11:12With a USB cord

01:11:13If the ligature

01:11:15Is going around the neck

01:11:16And puts pressure

01:11:18Right here

01:11:19On either side

01:11:20You're going to get

01:11:21Bending of the bone

01:11:22And a fracture

01:11:23Of the hyoid bone here

01:11:24And a fracture

01:11:25Of the thyroid cartilage there

01:11:27Dr. Garvin says

01:11:28No one can say for sure

01:11:29How Emily's neck bones

01:11:31Were fractured

01:11:31No matter what Dr. Smock says

01:11:33About the medical literature

01:11:35I'm trained

01:11:36At looking at skeletal material

01:11:38And determining

01:11:39What kind of mechanism

01:11:40Would cause those fracture patterns

01:11:41In Emily Noble's case

01:11:43The two fractures

01:11:44On either side

01:11:46Appeared to occur

01:11:46From some source

01:11:47Of compression

01:11:48But you're going to get

01:11:49That same compression

01:11:50Whether there's a ligature there

01:11:52Or manual strangulation

01:11:53You can't differentiate

01:11:55Between them

01:11:55Nothing further

01:11:58Watching in court

01:11:59Matt Moore says

01:12:00He was still wondering

01:12:01When the proverbial

01:12:02Other shoe would drop

01:12:03I didn't know

01:12:04There had to have been something

01:12:05I'm arrested for murder

01:12:07There must be evidence

01:12:08Something

01:12:09There must be something

01:12:10That's there

01:12:12If he was waiting

01:12:13For a moment of truth

01:12:14It happened

01:12:15Sort of

01:12:15At the prosecution's

01:12:17Closing argument

01:12:18Only then

01:12:19Did assistant prosecutor

01:12:20Mark Sleeper

01:12:20Offer the state's theory

01:12:22Of when and where

01:12:23Matt Moore killed

01:12:24Emily Noble

01:12:25Emily Noble

01:12:26Comes home

01:12:27Goes on a walk

01:12:28While the defendant's

01:12:29On a long phone call

01:12:30And playing around

01:12:31On his phone

01:12:32After he gets off that

01:12:33There's a 40 minute

01:12:35Gap of time

01:12:36Where there's no activity

01:12:37On his phone

01:12:38Between 8.42pm

01:12:40And 9.23pm

01:12:4240 minute gap

01:12:44The defendant knows

01:12:46The place where Emily

01:12:47Goes to forage

01:12:50Knows where he could find her

01:12:51Ladies and gentlemen

01:12:52I submit to you

01:12:53That's an opportunity

01:12:53At that time

01:12:54For him to go

01:12:55Leave the house

01:12:57And to go

01:12:58Confront her

01:12:58In the woods

01:13:00And where the physical

01:13:01Evidence shows

01:13:01She was struck in the face

01:13:04Causing fractures

01:13:04In her nose

01:13:05And she was manually strangled

01:13:09Causing four fractures

01:13:10To her neck

01:13:11The prosecution

01:13:12Offered no new

01:13:13Physical evidence

01:13:14As it laid out

01:13:15Its theory

01:13:16Of a murder

01:13:16In the woods

01:13:17I heard

01:13:19No, no

01:13:19You heard

01:13:21For the first time

01:13:22That the state

01:13:23Thinks Emily

01:13:24Was killed

01:13:25In the woods

01:13:26If the state

01:13:27Doesn't know

01:13:28Until the end

01:13:28Of their case

01:13:29In closing

01:13:29Where they believe

01:13:31You know

01:13:32This alleged murder

01:13:32Happened

01:13:33I mean

01:13:33If that isn't

01:13:34Reasonable doubt

01:13:35What is

01:13:35Our justice system

01:13:37Has to be better than this

01:13:38Was it coming out

01:13:39Of the blue late

01:13:40No, I think

01:13:41I think

01:13:41The point taken

01:13:43Let me just explain

01:13:44It this way

01:13:44So

01:13:45Is it possible

01:13:46That

01:13:48The homicide

01:13:48Or murder

01:13:49Would have occurred

01:13:49Inside the condo

01:13:50Yes

01:13:51Is it possible

01:13:52The murder had occurred

01:13:52In the woods

01:13:53Yes

01:13:54We didn't have

01:13:55Any evidence

01:13:55That said

01:13:56Definitively

01:13:57Which one

01:13:58Of those two places

01:13:58If I had to bet

01:14:00I would bet

01:14:00It happened in the woods

01:14:01I think that makes

01:14:02The most sense

01:14:02Given the other evidence

01:14:03So I'm going to say this

01:14:0524 years

01:14:06Over 150 jury trials

01:14:07I've never had a harder

01:14:08Closing argument than this

01:14:10Because honestly

01:14:11Most

01:14:12I've got evidence

01:14:14To attack

01:14:15This case

01:14:16Is totally speculation

01:14:19Menashe said

01:14:20Police and prosecutors

01:14:21Were laser focused

01:14:22On anything

01:14:23That made Matt Moore

01:14:24Look guilty

01:14:24And they ignored behavior

01:14:26That suggested

01:14:27He was innocent

01:14:27Not only did he tell police

01:14:29Where Emily liked to forage

01:14:31He also brought them

01:14:32Right to the edge

01:14:33Of the woods

01:14:33Where her remains

01:14:34Were later found

01:14:35If he had killed her

01:14:36Why would he have

01:14:37Directed police

01:14:38To the evidence

01:14:39He takes them

01:14:41To the exact area

01:14:44And says

01:14:45This is where

01:14:45She forges

01:14:46And then

01:14:47Even the state of Ohio

01:14:48In their closing argument

01:14:49Just now had to concede

01:14:51That do you know

01:14:51What he says

01:14:52You might want to go in

01:14:55Oh

01:14:55That's a bad fact

01:14:57Right

01:14:57And you know

01:14:58Why he wouldn't want

01:14:59To go in

01:15:00Is it because

01:15:01He doesn't want

01:15:02To find her

01:15:04Actually

01:15:04I agree with that

01:15:07And you know

01:15:07Why he doesn't want

01:15:08To find her

01:15:09Because ten months

01:15:10Earlier

01:15:11His son

01:15:12Was hanging

01:15:13From a tree

01:15:15In the woods

01:15:19I wouldn't want

01:15:19To go in

01:15:20Wooded area

01:15:21Either

01:15:22Once the closing

01:15:23Arguments ended

01:15:24Matt Moore's fate

01:15:25Was in the hands

01:15:26Of the jury

01:15:26Matt Moore

01:15:28Guilty of homicide

01:15:29Or no

01:15:43He'd sat in jail

01:15:44For fourteen months

01:15:46Thinking about

01:15:47How he got to this point

01:15:48The case against him

01:15:50And that question

01:15:51Everyone was asking

01:15:52They say you

01:15:53Punch her in the face

01:15:54And then put your

01:15:55Hands on her throat

01:15:56And manually

01:15:57Choke the life out of her

01:15:58And then strung her

01:15:59Up in this

01:16:00And then dragged her

01:16:01In the woods

01:16:01Sixty feet

01:16:02In the dark

01:16:03And found a branch

01:16:04And did all this weird

01:16:05Did you do that Matt

01:16:06Did you kill your wife

01:16:07What do you think

01:16:09I want to hear you say it

01:16:10Why

01:16:10Why do you feel

01:16:11The need for me

01:16:12To say that

01:16:12Well

01:16:13Did you do it

01:16:14This isn't

01:16:14No

01:16:15I mean

01:16:16No

01:16:16There would be

01:16:17Evidence of it

01:16:18Wouldn't you think

01:16:20So the case is all

01:16:21Made up

01:16:23It's not made up

01:16:25Police do what they do

01:16:26They're like

01:16:27Any other

01:16:28Business

01:16:28They look for

01:16:30Crime

01:16:30And it was an

01:16:31Opportunity for them

01:16:33To spend money

01:16:37That's the only way

01:16:38I can put it

01:16:38In an easy way

01:16:39I mean

01:16:40You'd have to talk

01:16:41To them

01:16:42But as far as

01:16:42Me killing him

01:16:43No

01:16:43I loved her

01:16:44Why would I do that

01:16:46After seven days

01:16:47Of testimony

01:16:48The jury faced

01:16:49The same question

01:16:50Guilty or not

01:16:52Oh my gosh

01:16:53I was so eager

01:16:54To hear what the

01:16:55Other jurors

01:16:56Were thinking

01:16:56Because

01:16:56We spoke with

01:16:57Three jurors

01:16:58From left to right

01:16:59Connie, Carol

01:17:00And Jen

01:17:00They told us

01:17:02That more than

01:17:02Half the jury

01:17:03Came to deliberations

01:17:04Thinking Matt

01:17:05Was innocent

01:17:06The rest thought

01:17:07He might have

01:17:07Killed Emily

01:17:08I thought she was

01:17:09A homicide victim

01:17:10You did

01:17:11To me it did

01:17:13Look staged

01:17:14Matt Moore

01:17:15Guilty of homicide

01:17:17Or no

01:17:17Absolutely not

01:17:18Carol, Matt Moore

01:17:19Did he kill his wife

01:17:20Did he kill his wife

01:17:21Or not

01:17:21If he did

01:17:22He is a mastermind

01:17:24And I just

01:17:25Don't think

01:17:25I think he's

01:17:26An average Joe

01:17:28But on this

01:17:29They agreed

01:17:30The prosecution's

01:17:31Case had problems

01:17:32It was all

01:17:34Little pieces

01:17:35And trying to

01:17:37Knit them together

01:17:38Into a particular view

01:17:41And I just felt

01:17:43That it was just

01:17:45Too incoherent

01:17:48They had particular

01:17:49Problems with the

01:17:50Prosecution's

01:17:51Star witness

01:17:52It was a stretch

01:17:53For him

01:17:53He was more concerned

01:17:55With giving his resume

01:17:57Than trying to

01:17:58We're talking about

01:17:59Smocking it

01:18:00Than to help

01:18:01With the case

01:18:03I felt like he was

01:18:04Stretching quite a bit

01:18:05To make some of

01:18:06These assumptions

01:18:09Jurors deliberated

01:18:10For a short time

01:18:11On day one

01:18:12Then returned

01:18:12The next day

01:18:13You come back

01:18:14That next morning

01:18:15And you do have

01:18:15What I call a straw vote

01:18:16You go around the table

01:18:17Were you surprised

01:18:18At the result

01:18:21I think I was

01:18:22A little bit surprised

01:18:24They had a verdict

01:18:25As they filed back

01:18:27Into court

01:18:27Matt Moore took

01:18:28One look at them

01:18:29And feared the worst

01:18:31It's like they're not

01:18:32Looking at you

01:18:32It was too quick

01:18:33I was just like

01:18:34They need time

01:18:35To think this through

01:18:36They didn't spend

01:18:37A lot of time

01:18:37Doing that

01:18:38So I was just

01:18:38I was ready to go

01:18:40You thought that was it

01:18:40That was it

01:18:41I was done

01:18:42Verdict on count one

01:18:43We the jury

01:18:45Being duly impeneled

01:18:46And sworn

01:18:46Find the defendant

01:18:47Matthew L. Moore

01:18:48Not guilty of murder

01:18:50As he stands

01:18:51Not guilty on all three counts

01:18:53Murder and felonious assault

01:18:55After more than a year in jail

01:18:57Matt Moore

01:18:58Was a free man

01:19:00I didn't want to cry

01:19:01In public

01:19:02You know

01:19:03You did

01:19:04You were holding your head

01:19:04In your hands weeping

01:19:06Yeah

01:19:06But I caught myself

01:19:08And I gathered myself up

01:19:09And I was just

01:19:10Okay

01:19:10Great

01:19:11Let's get out of here

01:19:12I was just very

01:19:14Very happy for Matt

01:19:15And so for me also

01:19:16It was just such

01:19:17A joyous moment

01:19:18At the other table

01:19:20A bitter defeat

01:19:21It was very difficult

01:19:22You were certain

01:19:23He'd killed his wife

01:19:24Yeah

01:19:26Still am frankly

01:19:28As for Emily's friends

01:19:29Celeste didn't see it coming

01:19:31Um

01:19:32Dumbfounded

01:19:34Dumbfounded

01:19:35Like

01:19:35How did this happen

01:19:37Wendy kind of did

01:19:39I just had a feeling of dread

01:19:41That it wouldn't end in a conviction

01:19:43Maybe Krista spoke for many

01:19:45Based on the evidence presented

01:19:47I wasn't surprised

01:19:49That he wasn't found guilty

01:19:51Even though in my

01:19:51In my heart

01:19:53I think he's guilty

01:19:56And it's not just

01:19:57Because I'm malicious

01:19:58Or anything

01:20:00But I

01:20:01100% don't believe

01:20:03She would ever take her own

01:20:05Life

01:20:05Ever

01:20:09With the verdict rendered

01:20:10The judge addressed Matt directly

01:20:12Mr. Moore

01:20:15I think from day one

01:20:18Everyone's wanted justice

01:20:19For your wife Emily

01:20:20But I think the jury

01:20:22Has also said

01:20:23Justice for Emily

01:20:24Is not injustice for you

01:20:27Despite the jury's verdict

01:20:29Emily's death certificate

01:20:30Still reads

01:20:31Homicide

01:20:31Do you think there's a chance

01:20:33That Emily Noble was murdered

01:20:35I do

01:20:37I do

01:20:38Not by Matt

01:20:39Not by your guy

01:20:40No

01:20:40But I

01:20:41It's

01:20:42And I think this goes back to

01:20:43All things are possible

01:20:45And the only thing

01:20:47That

01:20:47That isn't possible

01:20:48And wasn't shown

01:20:49Beyond a reasonable doubt

01:20:50Is that Matt did it

01:20:52Matt knows

01:20:53He'll live with some level

01:20:54Of whispers and suspicions

01:20:56For the rest of his life

01:20:57The people who were out there

01:20:58Think he got away with murder

01:20:59And some of those

01:21:00Include the old friends

01:21:01Sure

01:21:01And probably some family

01:21:03What do they not get

01:21:04What are they not

01:21:04Interessing

01:21:08Well they

01:21:08I mean

01:21:09They've known me

01:21:09For so long

01:21:10It's just hard for me

01:21:10To believe

01:21:11I'm not a violent person

01:21:12I'm not

01:21:12I don't get upset

01:21:13I'm like really laid back

01:21:14But if they think

01:21:16What they think

01:21:17Is because of what

01:21:18The media

01:21:19And police

01:21:20What they're capable of

01:21:22They've manipulated you

01:21:25Freedom gave Matt

01:21:26A chance to live his life again

01:21:28But also the space

01:21:30He says

01:21:30To grieve for Emily

01:21:31I didn't have any time

01:21:33To think about her

01:21:34Because I had all this

01:21:35Police pressure

01:21:37And community pressure

01:21:38And all this

01:21:38Just this weird thing

01:21:40And when he said

01:21:40Not guilty

01:21:41And it's just like

01:21:42The

01:21:42All of a sudden

01:21:44Emily just

01:21:44I could deal with it

01:21:45I could

01:21:46Okay now it's time

01:21:46For Emily

01:21:47You know

01:21:48His old life is gone

01:21:49He's broke

01:21:50Trying to scrape together

01:21:52A new life

01:21:52And he's angry

01:21:54Mostly at the police

01:21:55He's written an e-book

01:21:57Called Emily

01:21:58A stage suicide in Ohio

01:22:00I needed to write

01:22:02My story

01:22:03For me

01:22:04More than anything

01:22:06Because I wanted

01:22:06People to know

01:22:07What happened

01:22:11He's back in the

01:22:12Las Vegas area now

01:22:13Far from Westerville, Ohio

01:22:15Where most of Emily's

01:22:16Friends still live

01:22:17And still think about her

01:22:22I miss her laugh

01:22:25And her smile

01:22:28She was just fun

01:22:29To be around

01:22:30Everybody was her friend

01:22:32And all of her friends

01:22:35Were her best friend

01:22:36I miss her being here

01:22:40I miss her laugh

01:22:41For sure

01:22:43Throwing her head back

01:22:44And

01:22:48Just

01:22:49Yeah

01:22:52She left behind images

01:22:53For her loved ones

01:22:54To ponder

01:22:55Exquisite skies

01:22:57Her collections

01:22:58Of edible plants

01:22:59The wood she loved

01:23:01And her own face

01:23:03Gazing back

01:23:04Into the camera

01:23:05What was she thinking

01:23:07In the days and weeks

01:23:08Before her death

01:23:09Years after she went

01:23:10Into the woods

01:23:11It's the biggest mystery

01:23:13Of all

01:23:18That's all for this

01:23:19Edition of Dateline

01:23:21We'll see you again

01:23:22Thursday at 10

01:23:239 central

01:23:24And of course

01:23:25I'll see you each

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01:23:27Nightly News

01:23:27I'm Lester Holt

01:23:29For all of us

01:23:30At NBC News

01:23:31Good night

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