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Murdered or Missing? - Season 1 Episode 2
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00:36When the Chohan family went missing from their home in West London, their relatives always feared the worst.
00:41And it seems those fears have now been realized.
00:51Detectives confirmed they have launched a murder investigation.
01:00Amajit Chohan's badly decomposed body was discovered near Bournemouth Pier.
01:07There are now concerns for other family members who disappeared with the millionaire businessman.
01:19Amajit's body washing up on Bournemouth Beach wasn't a case of someone's gone swimming and drowned, swam off a boat
01:27and drowned.
01:27He was gagged.
01:29He was murdered.
01:31The vibe around the team was horror and the sadness that we're now looking for the rest of the family.
01:37You know, where are they? Are they being detained somewhere? Or worse, have they been killed?
01:42I immediately authorized aircraft to fly over around that immediate area, see if we can identify any bodies in the
01:51sea.
01:56We had to find that family.
01:58And we had to do everything we could to try and find them.
02:20My job as a crime scene manager was basically we were on call for any serious incidents, that's murder, shootings.
02:30We would go out and assess the scenes and deal with it like a murder scene until we were happy
02:35that it was not suspicious.
02:38But certainly this one, the fact that he had tape around his face and was gagged, that really pushes it
02:44straight up to, this is a suspicious death.
02:48We've got to try and piece together, you know, what has happened to this man.
02:51He's obviously met a very uncomfortable end.
03:03The body was fully clothed and it often takes quite a while to remove each item of clothing.
03:11A either navy or purple sweatshirt, V-neck, long sleeve, had a certain amount of grit on it.
03:19A pair of blue jeans, heavily contaminated by sand.
03:23I felt each sock as I took it off.
03:26It felt squashy like any saturated sock.
03:30And there was a pair of navy boxer shorts.
03:34However, the important thing that was still left was the bindings round the lower face.
03:39It consisted of a mixture of a scarf and brown wide parcel tape that had been wound round and round
03:48the head repeatedly.
03:50There was a very mutilating injury to the top of the head, not just to the scalp but the skull
03:56underneath it.
03:57This was obviously a blunt force injury.
04:03If that had happened during life and we were dealing with a fresh body, you would expect to see bruising
04:10of the scalp.
04:11There was no bruising around that.
04:15He had fracture of the very bottom of the spinal column in his neck.
04:21If it had happened during life, you'd expect to see bruising around the fracture.
04:25There was no bruising around this one.
04:27And I felt that because that's a structure deep inside the body, that's probably a post-mortem fracture.
04:35Often called the undertaker's fracture.
04:37Because if a body is roughly handled after death, that is where it tends to break.
04:44I finished the autopsy saying this is a highly suspicious death.
05:02The matropotent police said he died in appalling circumstances.
05:12I could see that Ankur's body was slightly trembling.
05:16Then he regrouped himself and started asking more questions on where that was, how that was found.
05:25We were shocked, totally horrified by what we were being told, and trying to digest that information.
05:34I think both of us thought, so how do we find Nancy and the other family members?
05:41But my head was going, this is not looking good for us at all.
05:58The day that Amarjit's body washed up on Bournemouth Beach was the 10-year anniversary of Stephen Lawrence's murder.
06:09And at my level, we were very conscious of the fact the eyes of London, the eyes of the country,
06:14the eyes of the world were on the Met Police.
06:15What we did, how we did it, had we moved on?
06:22In fact, Amarjit Chohan was an Asian man.
06:26The person had been lying to us all along about him being in touch and missing and going to meet
06:31us and get passports.
06:32He was a white man.
06:37Kenneth Regan was a good liar, and he gave us this story of the Chohan family going off on holiday.
06:44What's wrong?
06:46Yeah, of course I'm running the business. I'm a partner.
06:50So all the focus was on Kenneth Regan and his associate, William Hornsey.
06:57And Belinda Bruin was someone who was working on behalf of Regan on a daily basis for Ciba Freight Amarjit's
07:04business.
07:05Complete focus now of the investigation was to track down Regan and Hornsey.
07:13And at this time, Belinda Bruin was also being sort of quite extensively interviewed because she clearly knew a lot
07:20of the background.
07:22And in a sort of throwaway comment, right at the end of her interview, she happened to sort of mention,
07:27I don't know if this has got anything to do with it, but I did come home, you know, a
07:31week or so ago.
07:32She had been working in London and had gone home to Tiverton and Devon earlier than she'd planned
07:38and had come across Regan, Hornsey and another man who she knew to be a guy called Peter Rees.
07:48They'd been digging in the corner of her field.
07:54She had a couple of fields opposite her house where she kept horses.
07:59She was quite angry and said, what are you doing?
08:03And Regan said, look, you know, I told you I'd sort out the drainage in your field for you, so
08:07I've done it as a favour.
08:09That set alarm bells ringing, to say the least.
08:14So we immediately dispatched Detective Sergeant Tony Bishop down to Belinda Bruin's property.
08:23We were told, once you find this ditch, get it dug up.
08:28We get there, and Belinda comes zooming up the lane in a massive panic,
08:33explaining that she's literally just bumped into Regan and Hornsey at the end of the lane.
08:40They had said to her, look, get in the car, we need to speak to you.
08:46As far as she was concerned, if she'd got in the car with them, that would probably be the end
08:50of her,
08:51because she's clearly a very loose end, as far as they're concerned,
08:55certainly in terms of all the activity in the field.
09:01The DCI had sort of said to us, right, you know, you two stay down there,
09:06and basically make sure Regan and Hornsey don't come back,
09:09and if they do come back, then arrest them.
09:13We didn't have any sort of protective equipment,
09:15so we were literally looking around, trying to sort of think,
09:18what could we arm ourselves with as potential weapons?
09:21We were looking at sticks and rocks.
09:25It was a pretty surreal moment in my policing career anyway.
09:30But Regan and Hornsey didn't come back.
09:36We found out at 2 o'clock the next morning,
09:39Regan and Hornsey booked onto a ferry going across to Calais.
09:48Why do people skip the country?
09:50Well, they skip the country because they've got something to hide, fear, run away from.
09:55We sent a couple of officers over to France
09:57to see if we could physically track where they were going.
10:02Over time, we did find out they'd gone to Spain.
10:09We started working with the authorities,
10:12Europol, Interpol, Spanish police.
10:14So if Regan and Hornsey had turned up at an airport
10:18and tried to book a flight to the Far East,
10:20we would have got them that way.
10:25Regan, Hornsey and Peter Rees
10:27were our three key suspects in this murder investigation.
10:31Police of Rees, we didn't know where he was.
10:34Norman McKinley, as the SIO, had made a decision of,
10:37I want to get Regan and Hornsey before Rees.
10:43The police then not just distributed two pictures of their prime suspects,
10:48but held them up for the TV cameras.
10:52I am satisfied that these two men are involved.
10:56It was a bold and dramatic move,
10:58but it showed just the sense of importance
11:01of this number one priority the Met police had at that time.
11:08I'm still hopeful,
11:09and I'm praying to God
11:12for my mother, my sister,
11:14and my two nephews.
11:22There was lots happening,
11:24both in London and in Devon.
11:28The next step was to excavate
11:31in the corner of Belinda's Field.
11:36There was evidence
11:37that an area had been recently dug up and re-filled.
11:41With forensic officers and exhibits officers,
11:44we did do, you know,
11:46literally a fingertip forensic search of this trench.
11:49They were looking for anything
11:50that would put the Chohans,
11:52or could put the Chohans,
11:54into a potential grave site.
11:58Very difficult process.
12:00Basically, everything has to be dug out
12:02and then put through sieves.
12:04I think it had rained for nearly two weeks
12:06non-stop down there,
12:07so it was like a caulk mire.
12:11I don't think any of us really thought
12:13that there were going to be any bodies in this field.
12:15You know, it just seemed too incredulous.
12:35Police already knew about Kenneth Reagan's
12:38significant criminal past
12:40and that he had associates,
12:42some of the highest and most dangerous criminals
12:45in London and the south of England.
12:50We then found out that in the 90s,
12:53when he'd been charged with possession
12:55with intents to supply heroin,
12:57he had turned Queen's evidence
12:58and actually gave information
13:00against his co-conspirators.
13:05As a result, given that evidence,
13:06he had a reduced sentence
13:08from 20 years to 8 years.
13:11The names that Reagan handed over
13:13to the police in 1998
13:15resulted in a £100 billion cocaine operation
13:19being busted
13:19and 15 people being convicted,
13:22one of which, quite astonishingly,
13:25was his best mate, William Hornsey,
13:27who somehow had forgiven Reagan
13:30for landing him behind bars
13:31and they were now as thick as thieves
13:33in an even closer association.
13:43I got a phone call
13:45from one of the officers
13:47in the field in Devon.
13:49We haven't found any bodies,
13:50but we have found something.
13:55They've recovered Indian jewellery,
13:59bits of hair,
14:02certainly poppers,
14:03which look like they might have come off
14:04nappies or children's clothes.
14:06There was burnt bits of wood and furniture.
14:08We weren't sure where that had come from
14:10at that stage.
14:12In our minds,
14:13we think the family were buried here
14:15and Reagan, Hornsey and Rees
14:18have then come back
14:19and excavated the bodies.
14:23There was clear indication
14:24that bodies have been buried too.
14:29Certainly, we believe one body
14:31and that is Mr. Chohan.
14:34It's too early to say
14:36whether the other members of the family,
14:38that is the two children
14:40and the two female adults
14:43who are here.
14:55Reagan, having told us
14:56all these stories,
14:58he was the focus.
15:01Some people that worked
15:03at CBER were saying
15:04that all they could hear
15:06are raised voices
15:07whenever Amadjic was on the phone.
15:09And then we heard
15:11that he was quite nervous
15:12about going to this meeting
15:13at Stonehenge
15:14about the business.
15:17Subsequently,
15:18we found out that meeting
15:19was with Reagan
15:20and these two Dutch guys.
15:23We believe that
15:25he met with Reagan,
15:26Hornsey was there
15:27and Rees,
15:28but Rees was making out
15:29he was a Dutch buyer.
15:30So, we start to look
15:33what's around Stonehenge
15:34and we quickly established
15:37that Kenneth Reagan
15:38was living with his father
15:40in Wiltshire,
15:41which is not that far away.
15:44Officers had visited
15:46Kenneth Reagan's father's address
15:48on the weekend
15:50that we knew
15:51that Chohan had gone missing.
15:53Kenneth Reagan had told his father
15:55that he was packing him off
15:56for the weekend.
15:58The father,
15:59when he spoke to us,
16:00said that when he came home,
16:01he had new carpets
16:03and a new sofa in the house.
16:10You go in there thinking
16:11this is possibly
16:13a major crime scene.
16:16And when you walk
16:17in the front door
16:17and you smell fresh paint,
16:19that definitely makes you think,
16:21has there been a cover-up?
16:24There was a new carpet.
16:26You could see where
16:27maybe an old carpet had been
16:28and certainly some new wallpaper
16:30had been put up.
16:33There seemed to be
16:34some bits of furniture missing,
16:35which may account for
16:37some of the bits of wood
16:38burnt down in Devon.
16:41To me,
16:42this is covering up
16:44something that's happened
16:45in this house.
16:47So we called Claire Austin
16:48from the Forensic Science Service
16:50to come out
16:51and we use luminol,
16:53which is a chemical
16:54which we spray around
16:55and then we leave it
16:56for a few days
16:56and then we go back
16:57and we can see
16:58where possibly blood
17:00has been cleaned up.
17:03The problem is luminol reacts
17:06with peroxide
17:08and they'd use bleach
17:09to clean up.
17:11We found sort of 20 areas
17:13which possibly was blood
17:15and they were swabbed
17:16and sent off for analysis.
17:19But it all came back negative.
17:23After spending several days
17:25examining inside of Forge Close,
17:27we looked around
17:27the outside of the house
17:28to see if there was
17:30anything out there
17:30and approximately four feet
17:32in height from the ground
17:34on the outside wall
17:35of the house,
17:36we found a small blood stain
17:39that looked like it had come
17:40from above
17:41in a downward trajectory
17:44and that was then sent
17:45for DNA analysis
17:46and found to match
17:48one of the Chohan males
17:49of the family.
17:51Hello.
17:53Nina, Nina, Nina, Nina.
17:56We started to realise
17:58that potentially all five
17:59of the Chohan family
18:00had been murdered.
18:06Kenneth Reagan
18:07was actually very, very canny.
18:10He covered his tracks
18:11very well initially
18:12and he wrote letters.
18:14He told people
18:15he'd been speaking to Amajit
18:16and Amajit was running away.
18:20When Chohan's belongings
18:21were recovered
18:22in a suitcase
18:23sometime later on,
18:24there were 23
18:26blank piece of papers
18:27signed by Amajit Chohan.
18:32Some of the documents
18:34that we recovered
18:34were printed
18:35on Resey's home computer
18:37or on his word processor.
18:39We managed to match
18:40the paper up.
18:42I can only imagine
18:44that Amajit Chohan
18:45signed those pieces of paper
18:47under duress.
18:48So they're either
18:49torturing him
18:50or his family
18:51being tortured
18:52in front of him.
18:52in front of him.
19:13The police had been given
19:15information
19:16that Peter Rese
19:17was in hiding
19:19in a bed and breakfast
19:21at a forest of Dean.
19:24He'd watched this press conference
19:27and said something
19:29spontaneous like
19:30I know this case
19:33and he told the owner
19:34of the bed and breakfast
19:35and she got really worried
19:36and frightened
19:37and she rang the
19:38Metspotton police
19:39to give more information.
19:41I think he was cornered.
19:44He didn't know me
19:45from Adam.
19:46He just started saying
19:48have I seen him on TV?
19:51And I said no
19:52should I have done?
19:53And he just said
19:54that he was involved
19:55with an Asian family
19:57that had disappeared.
19:59They could put me
20:00at the scene
20:01but I didn't kill anybody.
20:03He was going
20:03I can't pin that on me
20:05and I'd say to him
20:06you know
20:06what is going on
20:07you know.
20:08He just said that
20:09Regan was crazy.
20:12It was Regan
20:13he's a psycho.
20:14I knew what I had to do.
20:20It wasn't that long
20:21before Peter Rees
20:22was found
20:24by a police team
20:25from the Met
20:25just drinking in a pub.
20:27When he was arrested
20:28he knew his time was up
20:31and sort of came quietly.
20:34Rees was charged
20:35and interviewed by police
20:37and predictably
20:38they said
20:39not a single word.
20:42He was someone
20:44I think
20:44overawed
20:45by the fact
20:46that he was dealing
20:46with such
20:47superior league
20:48criminals.
21:10Months after
21:11the body of Armajid Chohan
21:12came up
21:13at Bournemouth Pier
21:14a body came up
21:15in a fishing trawler
21:17just off the coast
21:18at Dorset.
21:20They found the body
21:22it had been
21:23tightly wrapped
21:24in tarpaulin
21:25arousing some suspicion.
21:27The body had been
21:28in the water
21:29for some time
21:30in quite a dilapidated state.
21:32We had a special
21:33post-mortem
21:34and samples
21:35were taken
21:37and it came back
21:38that it was
21:39Nancy Chohan.
21:48It was a moment
21:49knowing that
21:49she was dead
21:52she had a head injury
21:53it was quite obvious
21:55that she'd recently
21:55given birth
21:58she was just postnatal
22:00it's so sad
22:02I don't know how
22:03anyone could do that
22:17it's only when
22:18we are told
22:20what happened
22:21it becomes even
22:23more horrifying
22:23because you realize
22:24that you're not
22:25going to find them.
22:27It's just breaking.
22:32The funeral director
22:33actually rang
22:34and said
22:34I understand
22:35that you want
22:36to see the body
22:36can I tell you
22:37that it's battered
22:39because Nancy
22:40had received
22:40a hammer blow
22:42on her head
22:44and I said
22:44look I need
22:45to talk to Anka
22:46I don't need to see
22:46but Anka's
22:47insisting in it
22:48and I actually
22:48went to the funeral
22:49director
22:50with Anka
22:52and Jean
22:53the funeral director
22:54actually tried
22:55to be as sensitive
22:56as possible
22:57what she'd done
22:58was clothed
22:59the coffin
22:59and put a scarf
23:01around the skull
23:02but actually
23:03had a massive
23:04image of Nancy
23:05in her beautiful
23:06sari
23:09For me
23:10it was not
23:10a skeleton
23:11for me
23:11it was
23:13my baby sister
23:16for me
23:17she was
23:17she was
23:19still alive
23:19and I was
23:20talking to her
23:24and
23:26that was it
23:29a tearful goodbye
23:31that's what I said
23:47then we heard
23:48from the
23:49Metropolitan Police
23:49that
23:51the mother
23:51had been found
23:56Mrs. Cor's skull
23:57was found
23:58on Allen Bay Beach
23:59on the Isle of Wight
24:03some children
24:04playing football
24:05came across
24:05a skull
24:10Anka
24:11is a man
24:11who
24:12has lost
24:13everything
24:15in a period
24:16of months
24:17there is still
24:18I think
24:19in Anka's head
24:20you'll find
24:20the children
24:21it's not
24:23common sense
24:23it's irrational
24:26When Nancy
24:27Chohan
24:28was dredged up
24:29by a trawler
24:30the trawler
24:30men did see
24:31a package
24:32fall
24:32or something
24:33fall from
24:34her body
24:37we can only
24:39assume
24:39that they
24:39were the children
24:43Speaking to
24:44sort of
24:45marine experts
24:46they said
24:46that children
24:47bodies that size
24:48would just
24:49never resurface
24:54I don't think
24:54we'd believe
24:55before that day
24:57that anyone
24:57would be capable
24:58of murdering
24:59three generations
25:00of one family
25:01two baby boys
25:02a mum
25:03a dad
25:03and a grandmother
25:04I didn't think
25:05anything like that
25:06was possible
25:06we've seen some
25:07horrific cases
25:08in our time
25:08but at this time
25:09it was the realisation
25:11that the family
25:12were all dead
25:14it was
25:15shocking
25:20by now
25:21the investigation
25:22had become
25:23a huge
25:24widespread
25:25investigation
25:25you know
25:26you've got
25:27crime scenes
25:27in London
25:28potentially
25:29crime scenes
25:29in Stonehenge
25:30the crime scene
25:31where Chohan
25:32has been held
25:33as a prisoner
25:36Linda Bruin
25:37I think she
25:37literally only
25:38had like one
25:38or two neighbours
25:39but the neighbour
25:41did also
25:41recount to us
25:42what Linda
25:43had said
25:43about Kenneth
25:44Regan
25:44William Hornsey
25:45and Peter
25:46Rees
25:46digging in the
25:47field
25:48a neighbour
25:49had seen them
25:50with a white
25:50transit van
25:51that they had
25:51tried to sort
25:52of block
25:53the view
25:53into the field
25:56so we started
25:57looking at
25:58Regan
25:58Hornsey
25:59and Rees
25:59as to
26:00any vans
26:02any cars
26:02they've hired
26:03have they hired
26:04any diggers
26:06we established
26:07that Regan
26:08had hired
26:09a white
26:10transit van
26:10using his own
26:11driving licence
26:12paying by his own
26:13credit card
26:14making no attempts
26:15to sort of
26:15cover their tracks
26:18the guy who ran
26:19the van hire
26:20company
26:20you know
26:21actually remarked
26:22that when they
26:23returned the van
26:24there was just
26:25this awful smell
26:27but the inside
26:29of the van
26:29had been
26:29pressure washed
26:30which according
26:31to the van
26:32hired guy
26:32is unheard of
26:33no pressure
26:33washes the van
26:35and Regan
26:36sort of explained
26:37that they'd been
26:37moving some
26:38dead livestock
26:38well it was clear
26:40that that van
26:41had obviously
26:41been used
26:42for something
26:42by Regan
26:43clearly he hadn't
26:44been moving
26:45livestock
26:45so the van
26:46was immediately
26:47seized
26:47and brought in
26:48for a forensic
26:49examination
26:54Regan
26:55Horntsey
26:55and Rees
26:56seem to be
26:56very forensically
26:57aware
26:58their actions
26:59of redecorating
27:00forged close
27:00and cleaning
27:02the back
27:02of the van
27:03suggest that
27:04they were aware
27:04of their actions
27:05and trying to
27:06get rid of
27:06any evidence
27:08I think
27:08someone would
27:09expect if they
27:09pressure washed
27:10an area
27:11to have got rid
27:12of all the
27:13evidence that
27:14could be there
27:14but blood
27:15will go
27:15in places
27:16you won't
27:17expect it to go
27:19we went over
27:20it literally
27:21millimetre by
27:23millimetre
27:23looking for blood
27:24looking for blood
27:25in crevices
27:26or gaps
27:27or areas
27:27that might
27:28have escaped
27:30we did find
27:31blood inside
27:32the van
27:32that looked
27:33like it had
27:33been as a
27:34result of
27:34an impact
27:35and that blood
27:35was sent
27:36away for
27:37DNA analysis
27:39and that blood
27:40matched that
27:40of Amarjit
27:41Chohan
27:45we were
27:46making
27:46huge
27:47extensive
27:47CCTV
27:48inquiries
27:52we were
27:52able to
27:53track
27:53your
27:53transit
27:53van
27:54going
27:54into
27:54a
27:54service
27:55station
27:56down
27:57to the
27:57coast
27:58and
27:59we found
27:59that
28:00Regan
28:01had bought
28:01a boat
28:06the boat
28:07was brought
28:07into the
28:08lab
28:08and it
28:08was stored
28:09in one
28:09of our
28:09forensic
28:10garages
28:10and me
28:11and some
28:11assistants
28:12examined
28:13the boat
28:14we spent
28:15several days
28:16going over
28:16it
28:16doing a
28:17fingertip
28:17search
28:18of it
28:18we think
28:19that they
28:20were transported
28:21in the
28:21open part
28:22of the
28:22back of
28:22the boat
28:24and when
28:25we lifted
28:25up one
28:26of the
28:26mats
28:26we found
28:27some
28:27hair
28:29the hair
28:29looked like
28:30it had just
28:30fallen off
28:31the head
28:31so it was
28:31obviously
28:32off someone
28:32who had been
28:33dead
28:33and whether
28:34they had a
28:34head trauma
28:35or something
28:35it was
28:37black
28:38very black
28:39hair
28:41finding
28:42something like
28:42the hair
28:43on the
28:43boat
28:43was a little
28:44bit of a
28:44breakthrough
28:45I remember
28:46we phoned
28:46the police
28:47officer in
28:47charge
28:47and gave
28:48him the
28:48news
28:49that we'd
28:49found
28:49this
28:49hair
28:49and rushed
28:51it through
28:51for forensic
28:51analysis
28:52to see
28:52if we could
28:53get any
28:53DNA
28:53from it
28:56we got a
28:57partial profile
28:57of DNA
28:58it indicated
28:59the hair
29:00had possibly
29:00come from
29:01an Asian
29:01male
29:01that we
29:02believed
29:02to have
29:03originated
29:03from
29:03Mamajit
29:04Chohan
29:06that was
29:07an indication
29:08that the
29:09bodies had
29:09come out
29:10of the
29:10pit
29:10in Devon
29:11put into
29:12a speedboat
29:13and taken
29:14out to
29:14the sea
29:18we subsequently
29:19realised
29:20looking at
29:21all the
29:21timeline
29:21that was
29:22when Regan
29:23was becoming
29:24spooked
29:24by the
29:24police
29:25investigation
29:25and probably
29:26felt
29:27that they
29:27could just
29:28lead us
29:28a bit
29:28of a
29:28merry
29:29dance
29:29with the
29:30story
29:31about
29:31meeting
29:31Chohan
29:32in
29:32Newport
29:35that's
29:36when they
29:36went back
29:36to Devon
29:37exhumed
29:38the bodies
29:39from their
29:39makeshift
29:40grave
29:40put in
29:41this
29:41transit
29:42van
29:43then
29:44put them
29:44on the
29:44boat
29:45and went
29:45out to
29:46sea
29:46there was
29:47a local
29:48police
29:48marine
29:49unit
29:49coming
29:49into
29:50harbour
29:50as they
29:51were
29:51going
29:51out
29:51they
29:52pulled
29:52up
29:52alongside
29:53to say
29:53look
29:54pretty
29:55choppy
29:55conditions
29:55out there
29:56you know
29:56you guys
29:57know what
29:57you're doing
29:58Regan and
29:59Horstie were
29:59sort of
30:00yeah thank you
30:00very much
30:01yeah we know
30:01what we're
30:02doing
30:02we're fine
30:02so off they
30:04went
30:04you know
30:04and we know
30:05now that once
30:06they got
30:07out to sea
30:08all the bodies
30:09were dumped
30:10into the
30:10channel
30:17the thing
30:17the thing
30:18the thing with
30:18Regan is
30:18it seemed
30:19that crime
30:20had moved
30:20on
30:21since he
30:22was last
30:22sort of
30:22in prison
30:25he just
30:25didn't seem
30:26aware
30:27of
30:28any
30:29phone
30:29cell
30:29site
30:30evidence
30:30that we
30:30could
30:31use
30:34sophisticated
30:34criminals
30:35tend to use
30:35sort of
30:36burner phones
30:36that they
30:37use for a
30:37very short
30:38period of
30:38time
30:38and then
30:39they
30:39discard
30:39but
30:40throughout
30:40this
30:41entire
30:41crime
30:42Kenneth
30:43Regan
30:43William
30:44Horstie
30:45and Peter
30:45Reese
30:46each
30:46kept
30:46the
30:46same
30:47mobile
30:47phone
30:49now
30:49everybody
30:50knows
30:50about
30:51phones
30:51being
30:51tracked
30:52but in
30:532003
30:53you've got to
30:54remember
30:54this was
30:54cutting edge
30:55technology
30:55and not
30:57many people
30:57actually
30:57comprehended
30:58or understood
30:59it
31:01you could
31:02not pinpoint
31:03but you could
31:03find a location
31:04of where a
31:05phone had been
31:06and when it
31:06was last used
31:07there was an
31:08awful lot of
31:08telephone evidence
31:09showing
31:10Regan
31:11Horstie
31:11and Reese
31:11moving around
31:13the country
31:13at the times
31:15to the sites
31:16where we know
31:16the bodies
31:17were buried
31:17originally
31:18and also
31:19when they
31:19moved them
31:20down to the
31:21south coast
31:27we started to
31:28look and see
31:29where
31:29Amarjit Chohan's
31:30phone had
31:31gone
31:31you know
31:32around the
31:32time of the
31:33alleged
31:33sale of the
31:34business
31:34and it's
31:35quite clear
31:35that Chohan's
31:37mobile phone
31:38is mirroring
31:39Kenneth Regan's
31:40mobile phone
31:42Chohan would
31:43have realised
31:43at some point
31:44he'd been duped
31:45was clearly
31:46then taken
31:47down to
31:47Regan's
31:49dad's
31:49house down
31:50in Wiltshire
31:51where he was
31:52held prisoner
31:52and tortured
31:55and made to
31:56sign a number
31:57of sheets of
31:57paper that were
31:58subsequently used
31:59by Regan
32:00to be made
32:02into letters
32:02of power of
32:03attorney
32:03so that they
32:05could be
32:05presented to
32:06the CBER
32:07employees
32:08and obviously
32:08any authorities
32:10that came
32:10sort of asking
32:12I think he
32:13probably really
32:14felt or
32:15bomb proof
32:15that he'd
32:15covered their
32:16tracks
32:20then once
32:21Chohan was
32:22either being
32:22held prisoner
32:23or had already
32:23been murdered
32:24Regan and
32:25Horntsey then
32:26had to
32:26deal with
32:27the rest
32:28of the family
32:29they couldn't
32:30leave that
32:31avenue open
32:33we'll never
32:34know what
32:35exactly took
32:36place in that
32:36house but
32:37quite clearly
32:38Regan and
32:38Horntsey
32:39murdered Nancy
32:40Chohan
32:41murdered
32:42Charanjik
32:43Cor and
32:44most chilling
32:44of all
32:45murdered those
32:46two young
32:47boys one
32:48who was
32:48eight weeks
32:49old
32:50Kenneth
32:51Regan
32:51was a
32:52fairly major
32:53criminal and
32:55had been
32:55involved in
32:56the large
32:57scale importation
32:58of drugs but
33:00it's beyond
33:00belief that
33:02they went
33:03to those
33:03lengths just
33:04for the pure
33:05greed of taking
33:06over this
33:07warehouse so
33:08they could use
33:08that as a
33:09front for
33:09importing drugs
33:11again
33:17Regan and
33:18Horntsey they
33:18jumped on a
33:19ferry went
33:19off to
33:20France we
33:20know that
33:22they're both
33:23wanted for
33:24multiple murders
33:25they've both
33:25got sort of
33:26extensive criminal
33:27connections
33:27certainly with
33:29the ability to
33:30make false
33:30documentation
33:31passports etc
33:35we were able
33:36to see through
33:37cell site
33:37analysis where
33:38Regan's phone
33:39was where
33:40Horntsey's phone
33:41was they were
33:43actually in
33:44Belgium
33:48so officers
33:49were dispatched
33:50and they worked
33:51with the northern
33:52part of the
33:52Belgium
33:53authorities and
33:55we identified
33:55where Regan
33:59was
34:00he was tracked
34:00down to a
34:01campsite and
34:02was pretty
34:03robustly taken
34:04into custody
34:06he was adamant
34:07he wasn't
34:08coming back
34:08voluntarily
34:10but it was
34:11upheld by the
34:12high court in
34:12Brussels and
34:13we were given
34:1515 days to
34:17extradite him
34:18basically
34:22meanwhile
34:22Horntsey was
34:23elsewhere in
34:24Belgium
34:24in the southern
34:25part and we
34:26asked the
34:27northern authorities
34:28to contact their
34:29counterparts in the
34:30southern part but
34:31one lot were
34:32Flemish and one
34:33lot were French
34:33and they didn't
34:34really talk to
34:35each other
34:35so we missed the
34:37opportunity of
34:38arresting Horntsey
34:38in Belgium
34:42Horntsey was just
34:43on his own and
34:44didn't seem to have
34:45the same sort of
34:46contacts and
34:46connections and
34:47finances that
34:49Regan had had
34:52one Friday
34:53afternoon we got
34:54a phone call from
34:55a solicitor for
34:56Horntsey saying
34:57look he's had
34:58enough he's getting
34:59on the ferry at
35:00Calais two or three
35:01of us immediately
35:02sort of jumped into
35:03the car and shot
35:04down to Dover
35:06literally got there
35:07just as he was
35:08coming off the
35:08ferry I arrested
35:11him for murder
35:14and he was brought
35:15back to a London
35:16police station
35:17subsequently
35:18interviewed and
35:19ultimately charged
35:21both Reagan and
35:23Horntsey were
35:23interviewed by
35:24police and
35:24predictably
35:25declined to give
35:26any evidence
35:27whatsoever
35:29they never
35:30ever ever
35:31gave an account
35:32of what they
35:33did and that
35:35for me spoke
35:35volumes by
35:36itself
35:46murder cases
35:48at the
35:48L. Bailey are
35:49very big stories
35:50and a family
35:51wiped out
35:52entirely is a
35:53massive story
35:58it's going to
35:58be front page
35:59material
36:01and what's
36:02more it's
36:02going to run
36:03for a long
36:03long time
36:06Anker was
36:08wrought with
36:09worry whether
36:10we'll get the
36:10conviction
36:12there's no
36:13admission
36:14there's no
36:15eyewitness accounts
36:16apart from
36:16circumstantial
36:17evidence of
36:17where they are
36:18nobody's seen
36:19the killings
36:19taking place
36:22any jury
36:23trial has
36:24unpredictable
36:25uncertain
36:26quality to
36:27it it was
36:28by no means
36:28a full
36:29long conclusion
36:30that this
36:30would end
36:30with guilty
36:31verdicts
36:34the prosecutor
36:35took over a
36:35day to
36:36outline all
36:37the evidence
36:37against each
36:38of the
36:38defendants
36:39producing what
36:39he described
36:41as a compelling
36:41case of their
36:42guilt
36:44as he described
36:45it even though
36:46they got what
36:47they wanted
36:48the documents
36:48signed
36:49that they took
36:50the decision
36:50Amajid and
36:51his family
36:52all had to
36:53die
36:54they then went
36:55off and buried
36:56them a week
36:57later in some
36:58remote part of
36:59the country
36:59hoping the police
37:00would never
37:01discover the
37:01bodies
37:03this gang
37:04utterly ruthless
37:05utterly immoral
37:07and utterly
37:08intent on
37:10getting away
37:10with their
37:10crimes
37:11was not just
37:12the horror of
37:13what the
37:13prosecutor was
37:14describing
37:15it was the
37:16moment when he
37:17produced I think
37:18his Trump
37:18card
37:19there's almost
37:20a universal
37:21lean forward
37:22and scribbling
37:23started even
37:24more furiously
37:34Claire Austin
37:35from the
37:36forensic science
37:36service rang
37:37me and we
37:38just went
37:38through all the
37:39exhibits before
37:40the trial
37:41there was a
37:42pair of pants
37:43and a pair
37:44of socks
37:44which belonged
37:45to Amajid
37:46Chohan which
37:46she had on
37:47when he came
37:47out of the
37:48water
37:49you don't
37:50get much
37:50evidence from
37:51socks or
37:51pants normally
37:52unless it's
37:53some sort of
37:54sexual thing
37:54going on
37:55but Claire
37:55was very
37:56thorough
37:56and she said
37:57well send
37:57them up to
37:58me
38:01we took it
38:02out of the
38:02bag to see
38:03if we could
38:03find anything
38:05externally
38:05whether maybe
38:06someone had been
38:06wearing it
38:07without their
38:07shoes on
38:08there might be
38:08some DNA
38:09evidence on
38:10the sole
38:10of the sock
38:12I think it
38:12was about
38:13four days
38:13later she
38:15rang me back
38:15and said
38:15oh you're
38:16never going
38:16to believe
38:17this
38:19there was a
38:20piece of
38:20paper that
38:20was folded
38:21up inside
38:22the sock
38:23I remember
38:24the realisation
38:25that this
38:26could change
38:26the whole
38:27case
38:30the letter
38:31was a letter
38:32from the
38:32Cheltenham and
38:32Gloucester
38:33Building Society
38:33addressed to
38:35Reagan and
38:37Mr Avery
38:38his father
38:38in relation
38:39to a mortgage
38:41for Forge
38:41Close where
38:42they lived
38:45which means
38:46that Amadric
38:47Chohan had
38:48been in
38:48Forge Close
38:49when he put
38:50it into his
38:51sock
38:52so here's
38:53a piece
38:54of evidence
38:55which absolutely
38:56categorically
38:57put Chohan
38:58in that house
38:59at the time
39:01that he was
39:01murdered
39:04it seemed
39:05Chohan had
39:06probably realised
39:07he was going
39:07to fall foul
39:08of these men
39:09and perhaps
39:09when he was
39:10left unattended
39:10for a moment
39:11must have seen
39:12that letter
39:12on the side
39:13and just thought
39:14if anyone finds
39:15me I'm going
39:15to give them
39:16a clue
39:19in headline terms
39:20there's nothing
39:21more exciting
39:22than evidence
39:23arriving almost
39:24from beyond
39:25the grave
39:34each defendant
39:35had a team
39:35of their own
39:36which meant
39:36that every witness
39:37was subjected
39:39to one of the
39:41defence teams
39:41individually
39:42consecutively
39:43questioning them
39:46I had no idea
39:47that they were
39:47going to go
39:48with the angle
39:49that the letter
39:50that was found
39:50in Amadric Sok
39:51had been planted
39:52there by myself
39:53or one of the
39:54other police officers
39:55in the case
39:58it's vital
39:58when collecting
39:59evidence
40:00in a case
40:01like this
40:01to have a chain
40:03of custody
40:04between
40:05the people
40:06transporting it
40:07to the evidence
40:07store
40:07the evidence
40:08store to the
40:09laboratory
40:10the laboratory
40:10to the court
40:11so every person
40:12that handles it
40:13has to sign
40:14the label
40:14so there's a
40:15complete chain
40:15of evidence
40:16so that was
40:17done with everything
40:19continuity of evidence
40:20just proves an item
40:21has not been tampered
40:22with for example
40:23it can't have been
40:24planted because
40:24the pathologist
40:26put it into
40:26the brown paper bag
40:27and I was the
40:28person to open it
40:33the police when
40:34they retrieved
40:35the body
40:35from the sea
40:37in Bournemouth
40:37gave the defence
40:39the opportunity
40:40to say how could
40:40possibly a letter
40:41survive having been
40:42in the sea
40:42for two months
40:43let alone been
40:44underground
40:44for several weeks
40:46it did plant
40:47confusion
40:48in the minds
40:49of the jury
40:51the letter
40:52survived
40:52because it's been
40:53folded up
40:55so many times
40:55like into
40:56the size of a stamp
40:57and because it's
40:59you know
40:59postage size
41:00and it's really
41:01squashed together
41:02the sea water
41:04hasn't got
41:05into the paper
41:19I did worry
41:20about jury fatigue
41:23the sheer amount
41:24of evidence
41:24that the jury
41:25had to sit through
41:26you're sitting there
41:28thinking
41:28I really don't know
41:29how this is going
41:30to turn out
41:32we started getting
41:33worried because
41:34normally if somebody
41:35is going to be
41:35found guilty
41:36it comes up
41:36very quickly
41:39you were sitting
41:40there almost
41:41like an expectant
41:42mother
41:43wondering what
41:44the result
41:44is going to be
41:46I knew that
41:48they were guilty
41:48I knew that
41:49there was no reason
41:50to doubt anything
41:50else but
41:51the jury have to
41:52consider everything
41:53very carefully
42:05this was a
42:07quintuple murder
42:08case
42:09record-breaking
42:10in terms of length
42:11and amount of
42:11evidence that's
42:12produced
42:12it was
42:13unbelievably tense
42:15this was a big
42:16big moment
42:18they come back
42:19and the form of
42:20the jury stands up
42:21and when he gets
42:22asked
42:22do you find
42:23the defendants
42:24guilty or not
42:25guilty
42:26his foreman
42:27says guilty
42:36it was almost
42:37like a release
42:37of pressure
42:40yes we got it
42:41through
42:41we've managed
42:42it
42:52it was a total
42:54sense of relief
42:55we were happy
42:56that people
42:57were found guilty
42:57and justice
42:59had been done
42:59it's unfortunate
43:01that Onka
43:02cannot be here
43:03and express
43:04his concerns
43:05with you
43:05he believes
43:06the death
43:08of his nephew's
43:09very young
43:10children
43:11could only be
43:12influenced by
43:13hatred and
43:14contempt
43:14by the killers
43:15of his
43:17and
43:17and
43:30and
43:31and
43:31and
43:31and
43:34and
43:37and
43:49the judge told the two men your crimes are uniquely terrible the cold-blooded murder
43:56of an eight-week-old baby and an 18-month-old toddler not to mention the murders of their
44:03mother father and grandmother provide a chilling insight into the utterly perverted standards by
44:12which you have lived your lives your characters are as despicable as your crimes each of you is
44:20a practice resourceful and manipulative liar for these crimes you two highly dangerous men
44:27must now pay the heaviest sentence they had no prospect of release
44:37that is absolutely what should have happened to them for what they did how they did it lack of
44:43remorse lack of explanation it was absolutely the right sentence
44:51i've dealt with a huge number of cases i've met families in enormous tragic circumstances
44:57but i think onka is one of the most bravest men that i've ever met in my life he's brave
45:03not just
45:04because of the enormity of the tragedy that he's had to deal with he's throughout the whole process
45:10yes he cried but he kept his composure and his dignity and his calmness throughout the process
45:17i don't know how he did it and i just wish that we could go back and get his family
45:27back
45:31so
45:35so
45:42so
45:47so
45:53so
45:54so
45:55so
45:56so
46:03so
46:04so
46:04so
46:04so
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