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01:0427 Ένωνας χαράς.
01:06Επομένως, και noi πρέπει να συμβάρετε.
01:09Ή αν θέλετε οι οποίες δημιουργείσεις συμβόλου με εξαιρετικά με εξαιρετικά με τους άλλους,
01:15τότε έχουμε τίχνει μία πρόβλημα, όμως η κυβέρνηση της Ελλάδας.
01:20και είπα ότι είπαμε τίχνες οι βαλούς δημιουργικές βάμονες.
01:23Υπότε θα έλεγαν πως Υπότιτλοι AUTHORWAVE,
01:25βλέπετε να μην πω ευρωπαϊκόντια την Ελλάδα.
01:27Μετρευα, κοινωνικοί, τόσο με την ίδιανή.
01:30Αν εφηνοείο, δεν είναι το ίδιανό.
01:33Ωραία. Φίλια, οπότε, δεν μπορούσα να βοηθήσουμε όλοι.
01:34Ιδιζατε μέχρι φινούδες.
01:36Λοσιακοίδεμα, Λοσιακοίδεμα, Λοσιακοίδεμα, Λοσιακοίδεμα, Λοσιακοίδεμα, Λοσιακοίδεμα.
01:40Φοσιακοί, υλοποιηθείς.
01:42Μπορούς, δεν είναι καθέναν τελείο.
01:44Είναι πολύ σημαντικό που χρειάζεται η ευρωπαϊκή,
01:46η ευρωπαϊκή, η ευρωπαϊκή, η ευρωπαϊκή,
01:50όσο μεταλλομικά και όμως.
01:53Θεωρούμε να γίνει μια ευρωπαϊκή να βρει στους ευρώπους
01:57να βρει στους ευρωπαϊκούς και συγκορές που εμπέσει.
02:01Από τις δεύτερες χρόνια,
02:02έχουμε δίκτυες μετά από αλληλεγγή συμφωνή,
02:06κάποιες μετά από τα υγινότητα από τα χώρια και τους Ρωσίες.
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03:38Και με την Ukraine δεν κάνουμε γνωστά.
03:40Αν χρησιμοποιούμε είδους τους χρειάτες.
03:42Χρειάσεις τους χρήνους.
03:43Και ανθωρίζουμε ότι είστε,
03:45ως επested μας μονοιχτρικές χρήματα,
03:48και βλέπω ότι η Ukraine είναι απιλημάτα και αποφιστήρνωση μας.
03:50Μπορούμε τους χρήματα όντωνε??
03:52όπως για παράδειγμα, για να εξελπίζουμε τους βοηθούς,
03:55και να δημάζουμε τους διαφέρουσους τους ανέκτης.
03:59Δεν 취πτρικές χρήματα.
04:01Και πρέπει να είστε όσο καλύτερα.
04:03όταν γίνουμε τα πράγματα, τότε προσθέτει να προσθέσουμε τα έτσι φυσικά τεράγματα που έχουμε στον τεράγωμα.
04:12Αν ακόμα και ακόμα, επίσης, πρέπει να τα χρησιμοποιήσουμε τη δουλειάση.
04:20Δεν όχι όχι, αλλά όχι όχι.
04:23Ιστούμε να καταφέρουμε την δυνατότητα, παράγγευση, τρατήματα,
04:27the traditional models that costat a huge amount of money
04:30and not the ones that are actually used on the battlefield,
04:34then we will just waste every euro that we spend.
04:37And you mentioned NATO, there's been a lot of friction over the past few weeks.
04:41Certainly, the President of the U.S. made it very clear that he believes
04:44that the Europeans have done very little in Iran
04:46and also has said that NATO without the U.S. is a paper tiger.
04:50When I hear these words,
04:51this is exactly what Russia would like to hear.
04:53NATO is a paper tiger
04:55and the U.S. may consider reassessing their relationship.
04:58How concerned are you because a country like yours certainly needs a strong NATO?
05:03I'm very glad and I still support our decision joining NATO.
05:08I think it was the right one.
05:09At the same time, we have to understand and realize that NATO is a different organization now
05:14than it was when we and Sweden joined.
05:17Because Trump is a president.
05:19Because of the changing relationship between U.S. and Europe,
05:23it has already changed and it is changing and this is a fact that we cannot escape.
05:28And it means that we need to focus on our own game.
05:30Now we are speaking European defense capabilities and European unity, European military forces.
05:37And I think this is extremely necessary discussion.
05:40And we should also discuss more about the European nuclear deterrence.
05:46This is a discussion that I see happening already and the necessity to have it.
05:51When I hear about the nuclear capabilities and deterrence and sort of extending this umbrella
05:56across Europe, what that says to me is the Europeans, they are preparing for a plan B
06:00in which if there is an attack, you're not going to call the U.S.
06:04You're going to figure out how you defend yourself and how the Europeans defend themselves together.
06:09Is that what it is?
06:10Is this realization that a plan B is now needed?
06:13I would be prepared from different scenarios.
06:16This is the way that the Finnish mentality works because we have such a difficult history with Russia.
06:22We don't wish those things that are happening in the world now, but they are facts.
06:27They are happening.
06:27And we need to be prepared also for the harsher times.
06:30And also when it comes to the relationship between U.S. and Europe, we cannot only walk the path that
06:36we wish to be.
06:37We have to walk the path that might be.
06:39And that's why we need to be prepared.
06:41And that's why we are having the discussion of the European alternatives.
06:44And I think it is an important discussion.
06:46But at the same time, we want U.S. to be a strong part of NATO.
06:50We want U.S. presence in Europe.
06:52We want U.S. nuclear deterrence to be there also in the future.
06:57So I don't see these ruling themselves or each other out.
07:01But we need to prepare for every scenario.
07:03So you see a NATO that is still standing together collectively around Article 5 in the next 5 to 10
07:09years to come.
07:10That is still the scenario that you see.
07:11That is a scenario that I hope.
07:13But I would also prepare every scenario out there.
07:17And of course you were in office and you say we as Finnish, we have to be prepared for every
07:20scenario.
07:21Have you ever thought what that could look like?
07:23To have a contingency plan for modern warfare, which not necessarily means an attack on the border?
07:29I think it is extremely important to understand all across Europe that the warfare and the threats are not anymore
07:37only connected to geography.
07:40With drone technology, with the use of AI, mapping out critical infrastructure extremely fast.
07:47With space technologies, with all the things that is now created and will be created.
07:51You cannot anymore rely that you are safe when you are farther away from the border.
07:56So of course you are more in jeopardy.
07:58We have that long border with Russia and we understand what kind of enemy we are dealing with, what kind
08:03of neighbor we are dealing with.
08:04You think of Russia as an enemy?
08:06Well, Russia is attacking European countries.
08:08Yes, Russia is an enemy.
08:09As we speak, they are attacking European countries.
08:13They are violating international law.
08:16They are an enemy.
08:17And I think we need to make sure that they won't win war in Ukraine, but Ukraine will win and
08:23maintain as an independent country.
08:24But what I was saying, that we know it.
08:28We know the pressure because we are near to Russia.
08:31But you need to also understand in Portugal, in Spain, in French, that you are not safe even though you
08:37are farther away from the border because of the new threats and because of the new technologies.
08:42You can plant drones anywhere.
08:44You can map out critical infrastructure with AI, with the speed that you don't even understand.
08:50You can use these technologies also to attack other countries.
08:54So you also need to be prepared elsewhere and not troll yourselves into the idea that we are safe and
08:59we don't have to do anything.
09:00You said it at the beginning of our interview, you are very pro-Europe, you are very liberal, you've said
09:06I am a feminist, but you also know the international side guys.
09:09The pendulum has really changed from progressive ideas to what is seen now as a global conservative movement that would
09:17argue perhaps you are too woke.
09:19So how would you respond to that?
09:21And do you see that pendulum switching back?
09:23There's always a pendulum movement.
09:24The most thing that I now worry is the lack of respect of international rules and laws.
09:33The fact that the rules-based international order is under questioning, even threatened, and that we don't want to build
09:41any more world where we work together in a civilized way.
09:46But we are going to the direction again where pure violence or strength dictates the outcomes.
09:54And from a small country perspective like Finland, that kind of future is extremely frightening because we cannot ever have
10:01that kind of strength and power that the big players have.
10:05So I worry a lot about this pendulum movement that is going the direction of demolishing the international structures that
10:12we built together after the Second World War saying never again.
10:16And now we are in this situation.
10:18The goal is to demolish international rules.
10:21Well, as we see, there is this ideology again rising that made the strongest men win.
10:30And we need to push back.
10:34And we need to remind that there was a reason why we built those structures before.
10:39And if we go to that direction, we will only end up in a similar kind of situation where we
10:43ended up for World War I, World War II.
10:47It wasn't a coincidence that these structures were invented, created, built.
10:53As a final question, you were in office, you were a politician, but you also became a sort of media
11:00sensation.
11:01There was a fixation with the things that you would do, the things you would wear, your looks, whether you
11:07were out and about and who you were with.
11:09Was that something that had an impact on you?
11:12And how are you feeling now?
11:13Well, I think those are things that come with the job.
11:17Of course, I would have wished that media focus would always be on the issues, on my job, on the
11:24things that I was handling.
11:25But, of course, I think every politician nowadays feel more and more pressure also from the intensive, not maybe with
11:35everybody a scrutiny, but the interest of personal issues, personal things, Luke's appearance.
11:40And I think this is frustrating, especially to politicians, because they usually want to focus on the work and the
11:46issues why they joined their parties and run for office in the first place.
11:51Well, Sanna-Marion, thank you so much for joining us on Euro News.
11:53Appreciate it.
11:54Thank you so much for having me.
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