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00:14Untertitelung des ZDF für funk, 2017
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01:24Amid the energy crisis, the EU says it could import jet fuel
01:29from alternative suppliers such as the US
01:31to avoid potential shortages
01:34But first, to our top story this morning
01:37because Kyiv says that the Drushba pipeline
01:40which was damaged in Ukraine three months ago
01:43can now resume operation
01:45It's set to end months of standoff
01:48pitting Hungary and Slovakia against Ukraine
01:51Our correspondent Shandor Shiroz
01:54is with me in the studio to discuss the details
01:57Shandor, good morning
01:59This announcement from Zelensky yesterday
02:01that the Drushba pipeline
02:03can now in principle return to operation
02:06could prove to be quite significant
02:08Yes, I completely agree
02:10So this is the pipeline
02:11that brings cheap Russian oil
02:14through Ukraine to Hungary
02:15and to Slovakia
02:17and it has been shut down
02:18at the end of January
02:19by a Russian strike
02:21and has not been repaired
02:23ever since until yesterday
02:25but yesterday
02:25Zelensky announced the repair in a tweet
02:28He said that
02:29Ukraine has completed repair work
02:31on the sections of the Drushba oil pipeline
02:34that was damaged by a Russian strike
02:36The pipeline can resume operation
02:39Now this step could end tensions
02:42between Hungary, Slovakia and Ukraine
02:45and also this issue caused huge tensions
02:48in the European Union
02:49because Hungary blocked
02:51the EU's 90 billion aid package
02:53to Ukraine because of the Drushba issue
02:55Now everything can be fixed
02:57hopefully
02:58When the oil will start to flow
03:00Hungary will lift its veto
03:02It could happen today
03:03at the EU's ambassadors meeting in Brussels
03:07and right after the commission
03:09could send the money to Ukraine
03:10because they said that
03:11they did their paperwork already
03:15We've been doing all the technical work
03:18on our side
03:19to make sure that
03:20once all the steps are in place
03:23we will be losing no time
03:26And Shandor
03:27this obviously has caused
03:28a big political earthquake
03:30When it comes to the politics behind this
03:34how do you interpret this move now
03:36from Zelensky to unblock this?
03:38Well, we can only guess for the moment
03:41what we know so far
03:42that Hungary and Slovakia
03:43from the beginning
03:44accused Ukraine
03:45of using the Drushba issue
03:46for political blackmailing
03:48and to cut Russian oil flows to Europe
03:52On the other hand
03:53Ukraine also said
03:54that it's technically
03:55a very difficult issue
03:56to repair this pipeline
03:58and it could take months
04:00But for the record
04:01Zelensky said that
04:02he would not repair the pipeline
04:04in March
04:05he said
04:05because he's financing
04:06Russia's war
04:08And it's also true
04:09that Ukraine
04:10never accepted
04:12independent European experts
04:14on the ground
04:15to check the situation
04:16But the timing is very interesting
04:18and very important
04:19We are 10 days
04:20after the Hungarian elections
04:22Viktor Orbán
04:23who has been
04:24absolutely hostile
04:26towards Ukraine
04:27has been removed
04:28from the power
04:29and Peter Magyar
04:30who could be more flexible
04:32will get the new government
04:34So this could be a signal
04:35also from Ukraine
04:37to, you know
04:38in a way
04:39settle this situation
04:40I would like to have
04:41one final sentence
04:43on Orbán
04:44because it's very interesting
04:45what Orbán is doing
04:46by lifting the veto
04:48He's keeping his word
04:49and he's also removing obstacles
04:52from the future government
04:54of Peter Magyar
04:55Okay, Sándor
04:56thank you so much
04:57for that
04:57and we will be keeping
04:58an eye out of course
04:59for the outcome
05:00of that meeting
05:01of EU ambassadors
05:02later today
05:03But now, moving on
05:05EU foreign ministers
05:06gathered in Luxembourg
05:07yesterday
05:08in what was
05:09the first major EU meeting
05:11since Viktor Orbán's
05:13electoral defeat
05:14The outgoing foreign minister
05:16Peter Sjartov
05:17skipped the talks
05:18Orbán is also expected
05:20to skip a gathering
05:21of EU leaders
05:22in Cyprus on Friday
05:23During yesterday's meeting
05:25of foreign ministers
05:26they failed to agree
05:27on proposals
05:28by Ireland, Spain
05:29and Slovenia
05:30to suspend
05:30the EU-Israel Association
05:32Agreement
05:32over the deteriorating
05:34situation in Gaza
05:35and ongoing violence
05:37against Palestinians
05:38in the West Bank
05:39Back from Luxembourg
05:41and joining me
05:41in the studio this morning
05:42is our correspondent
05:43Shauna Murray
05:44Shauna, briefly
05:45bring us up to speed
05:46on that meeting yesterday
05:47and tell us about
05:48your interview
05:48with the Luxembourgish
05:50foreign minister
05:51That's right
05:51so EU foreign affairs ministers
05:52the numbers weren't there
05:54to pass this proposal
05:56to suspend
05:57the Israel-EU Association
05:59Agreement
05:59in relation to
06:00alleged war crimes
06:01in Lebanon
06:01also across Palestine
06:03but there will be
06:04a proposal from
06:05Sweden and France
06:05to potentially
06:06ban goods
06:07from settlement areas
06:09that will be looked at
06:10by Maris Efeskovic
06:10the EU trade commissioner
06:11but I also caught up
06:13with Xavier Battelle
06:14who is Luxembourg's
06:15foreign affairs minister
06:16and at the time
06:17when we were chatting
06:18the European Court of Justice
06:20emerged with this ruling
06:21which said that
06:21Viktor Orbán's
06:23anti-LGBT law
06:25in Hungary
06:26back in 2021
06:27was actually deemed
06:28a breach of EU law
06:29and I asked Xavier Battelle
06:31about this
06:31because he was
06:32former prime minister
06:33of Luxembourg
06:33and he once addressed
06:35this issue
06:35with Viktor Orbán
06:37directly
06:40It's not the fact
06:40that I'm gay
06:41that I just fight
06:42for gay rights
06:42but it's the fact
06:43that I fight
06:44for minorities
06:44and it's always
06:47easier
06:48to fight
06:49against the smallest
06:50group
06:51in some countries
06:52and for me
06:52the European Union
06:53is a peace project
06:54but it's also
06:55a rule of law
06:55and the rights
06:57of minorities
06:58and I don't like
07:00to teach
07:01other continents
07:01if on my own continent
07:03in my own family
07:04have people
07:05blaming me
07:06for being gay
07:07and as I told
07:08to Viktor Orbán
07:09at that moment
07:10it was not my choice
07:10and the most difficult
07:11part of that
07:12was to accept myself
07:13and then to get blamed
07:14because I'm
07:17different for him
07:18and you know
07:18as I said
07:19being gay
07:20is not a choice
07:20but being homophobic
07:21is a choice
07:22and to do politics
07:24by blaming someone
07:25reminds me
07:27seriously
07:28that how it starts
07:29also with Jewish people
07:30and then
07:32with gypsies
07:33and etc
07:33so
07:35I want to be
07:36intolerant
07:37to intolerance
07:37that's the only
07:38intolerance I accept
07:39and I will fight for that
07:41and I remember
07:41I told also
07:42in the meeting
07:43and I shouldn't speak
07:44about the meetings
07:44but I told to
07:45Viktor at that moment
07:46when he wants
07:47also a ban
07:50about
07:50in Hungary
07:51to speak
07:52even about
07:54LGBTI questions
07:55that I didn't become gay
07:56because I watch TV
07:57What was Viktor Orbán's
07:58response to you
08:00because you were
08:00equals
08:01you were both
08:02prime ministers
08:02of your country
08:03You know
08:04it was a very
08:05clear answer
08:06from Viktor
08:07because usually
08:07he always answer
08:08and he did not answer
08:10he didn't say anything
08:12and in the
08:13in the meeting room
08:14there was a silence
08:15when I took the floor
08:16it was not in the agenda
08:17and I took the floor
08:19I asked Charles
08:20to be able to raise the topic
08:21and I raised it
08:23but
08:23and I'm not
08:24I'm not you know
08:25I'm not the gay prime minister
08:26I'm prime minister
08:26and I was prime minister
08:28and I am gay
08:29and it's just the fact
08:30that I wanted to tell him
08:31how I feel
08:32the situations for
08:33in fact the people
08:34who have no opportunity
08:35to tell it to him
08:36that's the people
08:36living in his own country
08:38and being considered
08:39as not normal
08:41but this is a momentous
08:42foreign affairs council
08:43because the last one
08:45back in February
08:46was just a
08:47horrid affair
08:48because Peter Giarto
08:49the Hungarian foreign minister
08:51who's not actually
08:52showing up here today
08:53was blocking
08:54the 90 billion euro loan
08:56for Ukraine
08:56blocking access
08:57to the European peace facility
08:59blocking the sanctions
09:00blocking progress
09:01on Ukrainian membership
09:02of the European Union
09:03I'm very honest
09:04as you know
09:05maybe the boss of diplomacy
09:06but not the most diplomatic
09:08but I'm always honest
09:09I said to Peter
09:10that they moved
09:11in a direction
09:12where most of us
09:13are counting the days
09:14until the elections
09:16in Hungary
09:16are going to happen
09:17and this was
09:18this is not good
09:19You said that to Peter Giarto
09:20at the last foreign affairs council
09:22and what did he say to you?
09:24No answer
09:25but I meant it
09:27that they moved
09:28in that direction
09:28so they made it
09:30for most of us
09:32counting the days
09:33and this is not
09:33this is never good
09:34when you just hope
09:35that there will be
09:35a change of government
09:37to be able to move on
09:39and so that's the reason
09:40why I really promote
09:41for a lot of topics
09:43in foreign policies
09:44to be able to have
09:45a majority vote
09:46and not unanimity
09:47this is not good
09:48when one country
09:49can bloke on foreign policy
09:50we have today
09:51also later in the day
09:53discussions
09:53about the Middle East
09:54I hope we will be able
09:56to have an agreement
09:56but usually we are not
09:57even able
09:58to sanction settlers
10:00and when we see
10:01what's happening
10:03in Palestine
10:04and in Israel
10:05and in the West Bank
10:06it's a shame
10:07when we see
10:07what's happening
10:08in Lebanon
10:08and this is
10:10where sometimes
10:12it's very frustrating
10:12Just finally
10:13on the Strait of Ormus
10:15I mean it sort of
10:15changes every hour
10:17but from an EU
10:19NATO perspective
10:20what do you think
10:20can actually be done?
10:22But the fact is
10:23you know
10:23to say NATO
10:24NATO is a defensive
10:26it's not an offensive
10:27union
10:28it's a defensive union
10:29if one country
10:30is attacked
10:30that the other
10:31will help it
10:32Article 5
10:32for the moment
10:33there is no attack
10:35against the NATO countries
10:37it was an attack
10:38from NATO countries
10:39and also from Israel
10:41against Iran
10:42that's the reality
10:42we can't change
10:43the history
10:43and we have not
10:45been consulted
10:45before to know
10:46if we would love
10:47to join
10:47or not to join
10:48so I think
10:50we should not be
10:50part of the war
10:52but if we can be
10:53part of the solution
10:54that because
10:55something for
10:56the boats
10:57but
10:57and don't forget
10:58we speak
10:58a lot of countries
11:00are now just
11:00interested in
11:01in petrol
11:02but we should
11:03not forget
11:03that there is
11:04even humanitarian aid
11:05which is not
11:06able to go up
11:07so there will be
11:08millions of people
11:09who won't get food
11:10because of it
11:11so and we cannot
11:11say to the
11:12we cannot let
11:13Iran
11:13decide
11:14of millions
11:16of people
11:16who need
11:16humanitarian support
11:20moving on now
11:21US President
11:22Donald Trump
11:23has said overnight
11:24he will extend
11:25the ceasefire
11:26in the war
11:26on Iran
11:27until negotiations
11:28progress
11:29and Tehran
11:29puts forward
11:30a proposal
11:31for more
11:32we can bring in
11:33Euronews'
11:33Laila Humaira
11:35who's in Doha
11:36for us this morning
11:37good morning Laila
11:38great to have you
11:39on the show
11:39bring us up to speed
11:41if you can
11:42on what happened
11:43overnight
11:46that's right
11:47Maret
11:47good morning to you
11:48guys in Brussels
11:48as well
11:49we were watching
11:50very closely
11:50what was going
11:51to happen
11:52with these
11:52negotiation talks
11:53and with the
11:54ceasefire deadline
11:55looming
11:56as you said
11:57President Donald
11:58Trump
11:59late on Tuesday
12:00our time
12:01posted to Truth
12:01Social
12:02and here was
12:03what he had to say
12:04we have been
12:05and I quote
12:05we have been asked
12:06to hold our attack
12:08on the country
12:09of Iran
12:09I have therefore
12:10directed our military
12:12to continue the blockade
12:13and remain ready
12:14and will therefore
12:15extend the ceasefire
12:17until such time
12:18as their proposal
12:19is submitted
12:20and discussions
12:21are concluded
12:22one way
12:23or the other
12:24end quote
12:25now that puts
12:25the ball back
12:26in Tehran's turf
12:27there have been
12:28no official response
12:29from Iran
12:30as of yet
12:31but that's where
12:32we stand
12:32an extension
12:33to the ceasefire
12:34until Iran
12:36puts forward
12:36a proposal
12:37and Laila
12:38despite this
12:39truce now
12:40the situation
12:41in the Strait of Hormut
12:42remains
12:43very volatile
12:46yes absolutely
12:47and since Saturday
12:49ships, tankers
12:50and vessels
12:51have essentially
12:53found themselves
12:53back to square one
12:55idling in the waters
12:56of the Persian Gulf
12:57and the Gulf of Oman
12:59we had the Iranian
12:59Foreign Minister
13:00Abbas Arachi
13:01saying the U.S. blockade
13:02is an act of war
13:04meanwhile
13:05U.S. naval forces
13:06have said
13:07that it's directed
13:0728 vessels
13:09to turn around
13:11under this
13:12Iranian port
13:13blockade
13:14they have also
13:15seized at least
13:15one Iranian
13:16linked vessel
13:17in the Gulf waters
13:19and another
13:19in the Indo-Pacific region
13:21but there's also
13:22been a development
13:22in the waters
13:23as well
13:23in the last hour
13:24or so
13:24the U.K.
13:26maritime trade
13:27operations
13:27reported an incident
13:28northeast of Oman
13:30and after that
13:31the Iranian state
13:32media reported
13:33that it had
13:33enforced
13:34what it called
13:35maritime law
13:36on a container ship
13:37that had been
13:38ignoring
13:39repeated warnings
13:40Okay Laila
13:41Humaira
13:42there for us
13:43in Doha
13:43thank you
13:43so much
13:44for that update
13:45But now
13:46Sana Marin
13:47became Finland's
13:48youngest prime minister
13:49at the age
13:50of just 34
13:51During her tenure
13:53she oversaw
13:54major shifts
13:54in Finland's
13:55foreign policy
13:56including
13:57its accession
13:58to NATO
13:58in the wake
13:59of Russia's
13:59invasion of Ukraine
14:01Our Europe editor
14:02Maria Tadeo
14:03sat down
14:03with Sana Marin
14:04yesterday
14:05and started
14:06by asking her
14:07about
14:07Peter Maggia's
14:08victory over
14:09Orban in Hungary
14:10and what it could
14:11mean both for
14:11Hungary
14:12and the European
14:13Union
14:13I think it gives
14:15hope to Europe
14:16and I know
14:17that I am
14:18and I know
14:18that many in Hungary
14:19and many in Europe
14:20are relieved
14:22with this outcome
14:23of the election
14:24of the Hungarian
14:25parliamentary elections
14:26because it also
14:27gives now
14:28much more space
14:29of solutions
14:31about Ukraine
14:32We all know
14:33that Orban
14:34has
14:34have
14:35Ukraine
14:35under his
14:36pressure
14:37on many
14:38occasions
14:39and many
14:39situations
14:39so of course
14:40we hope
14:40that now
14:41things will
14:41flow forward
14:42and also
14:43I think
14:44it's hope
14:44for Hungarian
14:45people
14:46And of course
14:47you were
14:47prime minister
14:48of Finland
14:49you sat
14:50at the European
14:51council
14:51you also sat
14:52with Viktor Orban
14:53over the past
14:54few weeks
14:55we've seen
14:55tapes that leaked
14:56of alleged
14:57conversations
14:58and some of them
14:58caught on tape
14:59very openly
15:00between the Hungarians
15:01and the Russians
15:02Is that something
15:03that you suspected
15:03and is it just
15:05a red line
15:06has been crossed
15:07already
15:07the idea
15:08that this
15:08communication
15:09was certainly
15:10happened before
15:10and after meetings
15:11Of course
15:12I have
15:13worked together
15:14with Viktor Orban
15:15in European
15:16council
15:16and we have
15:18had many
15:18difficult
15:19situations
15:20and discussions
15:21for example
15:21concerning
15:22Finland's
15:23and Sweden's
15:23NATO membership
15:24Hungary
15:25was
15:26a second
15:28of the last
15:29countries
15:29that ratified
15:31our NATO
15:32membership
15:32and there
15:33have been
15:34many situations
15:36and we know
15:38that Orban
15:39has very
15:40different view
15:40on the war
15:42in Ukraine
15:42and also
15:44for example
15:44rule of law
15:45applying rule of law
15:46in Europe
15:47Ukraine cannot win it
15:48you said objectively
15:49Ukraine cannot win it
15:50you said Ukraine
15:51can win it
15:52Ukraine must win it
15:54I would say
15:54Ukraine must win it
15:55if Ukraine
15:57doesn't
15:57win the war
15:58or have
15:59and this
16:00I mean
16:00have an outcome
16:02on a peace
16:03negotiations
16:04that will be
16:04sustainable
16:05that would be
16:06fair
16:07for the
16:07Ukrainian citizens
16:08and that
16:09will provide
16:10security
16:11to Europe
16:12and to Ukraine
16:13in the future
16:13if we won't
16:14have that
16:15we as Europe
16:16we are under
16:17jeopardy
16:18because Russia
16:19is
16:20as we speak
16:21they are preparing
16:22themselves
16:23they are modernizing
16:24their army
16:24and they are preparing
16:25themselves
16:26to much wider
16:28fight
16:29so
16:29they are preparing
16:29for war
16:30with Europe
16:30the rest of the continent
16:32I wouldn't rule that out
16:33and we also need to prepare
16:35and for that
16:36we need strong Ukraine
16:37because Ukraine
16:38has the largest
16:39most functional
16:40and modern
16:41army
16:42with modern
16:43warfare experience
16:44and without Ukraine
16:45we are vulnerable
16:46we need their lessons learned
16:48we need their help
16:49and we need to understand
16:50that we are as dependent
16:51on Ukraine
16:52and Ukrainian capabilities
16:54that Ukraine
16:55is dependent
16:55on our help
16:56and you mentioned NATO
16:58there's been a lot of friction
16:59over the past few weeks
17:00certainly the president
17:01of the US
17:01making it very clear
17:02that he believes
17:03the Europeans
17:04have done very little
17:05in Iran
17:05and also said that
17:06NATO without the US
17:08is a paper tiger
17:09when I hear these words
17:10this is exactly
17:11what Russia
17:11would like to hear
17:12NATO is a paper tiger
17:14and the US
17:14may consider
17:16reassessing their relationship
17:17how concerned are you
17:18because a country
17:19like yours
17:19certainly needs
17:20a strong NATO
17:22I'm very glad
17:24and I still support
17:25our decision
17:26joining NATO
17:27I think it was
17:27the right one
17:28at the same time
17:29we have to understand
17:30and realize
17:31that NATO
17:31is a different
17:32organization now
17:33than it was
17:34when we
17:35and Sweden joined
17:36because Trump
17:37is a president
17:38because of the
17:39changing relationship
17:40between US
17:41and Europe
17:42it has already changed
17:43and it is changing
17:44and this is a fact
17:45that we cannot escape
17:46and it means
17:47that we need to focus
17:48on our own game
17:49we cannot anymore
17:50only rely
17:51on the US presence
17:53and US capabilities
17:54we have to build
17:55our own
17:56and now we are speaking
17:57European defense capabilities
17:59and European unity
18:01European military forces
18:03and I think
18:03this is extremely
18:04necessary discussion
18:06and we should also
18:07discuss more
18:08about the European
18:10nuclear deterrence
18:12this is a discussion
18:13that I see
18:14happening already
18:15and the necessity
18:16to have it
18:19and you can watch
18:21the full interview
18:21with Sana Marin
18:22tonight at 5.45
18:24on our program
18:2512 minutes with
18:26now since Monday
18:27tens of thousands
18:28of migrants
18:29have applied
18:29for legal status
18:30in Spain
18:31as part of
18:31the government's
18:32program
18:32to regularize
18:34half a million
18:35undocumented migrants
18:36Jakob Yanis explains
18:40The Cures formed early
18:42on Monday morning
18:42almost 43,000
18:45undocumented migrants
18:46have registered
18:47in just the first
18:48three days of Spain's
18:49new regularization scheme
18:50starting a program
18:52that the government
18:53says could eventually
18:54grant legal status
18:55to a half a million people
18:56and the public debate
18:58has been polarized
19:00supporters cite
19:01economic necessity
19:02and social justice
19:03while critics worry
19:05about public services
19:06and national identity
19:07however let's set aside
19:09the emotions for now
19:10and look at the facts
19:15Spain is already home
19:16to 10 million people
19:18born abroad
19:18that is one in five residents
19:21and many of those
19:23applying for legal status
19:24come from Colombia
19:25Venezuela
19:26or Morocco
19:26they are a key part
19:28of the workforce
19:29filling essential roles
19:31in agriculture
19:32tourism
19:32and domestic care
19:34for the elderly
19:34and regularization
19:36turns that shadow workforce
19:37into a formal contribution
19:39to the state
19:39but also grants them access
19:41to public health care
19:42or legal labor protections
19:43and this is the breakthrough
19:46usually to get papers
19:47through a process
19:48called Araigo
19:49undocumented migrants
19:50must prove they have been
19:51in Spain for two or three years
19:53this scheme slashes
19:55that requirement
19:55to just five consecutive months
19:58however
19:59and that's important
20:00we are talking about
20:01one year renewable residence permit
20:03not full citizenship
20:05it does not grant the right
20:07to vote in general elections
20:09or provide an immediate path
20:11to nationality
20:12and individuals
20:13with criminal records
20:14will not qualify
20:15and the plan has already caused
20:18major friction in Brussels
20:19Spanish residency permit
20:21is effectively a Schengen pass
20:23allowing free travel
20:24across Europe
20:25for 90 days
20:26in any 180 day period
20:29EU officials worry
20:31that this could act
20:31as a poor factor
20:32undermining the bloc's new
20:34stricter crackdown
20:35on irregular migration
20:37however one thing is certain
20:40Spain will either become
20:41a laboratory
20:42for a shrinking continent
20:43or break European solidarity
20:46in this most divisive issue
20:47in the EU
20:54Jakob Yanis there
20:56and that's all we have time for
20:57for today
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