00:13Do you ever think to yourself, have I actually made this world a safer place than it was yesterday?
00:18No.
00:19Why?
00:20Because it's stupid.
00:22No one remembers the saves.
00:26It's the ones you miss.
00:33Especially with these two seasons, they are very diametric in certain ways, and yet they're very specific in what they
00:39do in terms of the maybe like acceptance versus trust between the two characters, because that's constantly moving battle.
00:49Could you sort of talk about psychologically where these two characters are right now and how you had to approach
00:55them coming into season two?
00:58The big difference with season two is that Hegarty really needs June to work with him.
01:05And June, you know, much to her annoyance, this is the only chink of light you can see that's going
01:11to lead towards a conviction for the awful murder of this young kid that happens in the first episode.
01:16Other than that, she wouldn't want to be anywhere near him.
01:19But also I think it's that in season two, we have this case that is really unravelling in real time,
01:25and it puts an enormous pressure and a pace on the two of them working together, which kind of it
01:32keeps the animosity going between them.
01:34But it also means that they both are actually aimed in the same direction of trying to solve this crime
01:39before it happens, which is the only thing they have in common, which makes it quite different to season one
01:44in terms of the way we were investigating the past.
01:46And trying to, you know, start looking to each other, solve each other, particularly June looking into Hegarty.
01:53So, yeah, I think that it puts quite a pressure on the characters, but it also means that you begin
01:58to see that the two of them at times are in pursuit of the same thing.
02:02But they just, you know, still absolutely can't stand each other.
02:05Yeah. I mean, they're not ever going to be buddies.
02:07Never.
02:08Or teach each other life lessons or anything like that.
02:10But I do think they start, I mean, I think he's always, I think he always has a respect for
02:14her as a cop.
02:16I think he thinks she's really, really good at what she does.
02:19But I think he felt that she lacked life experience.
02:23How dare you? How dare you?
02:25But I think that now he can see a bleakness growing in her eyes.
02:31What do you want?
02:34I want those detonators.
02:36Seven fire starters for that lecture.
02:39Okay? But it's now or never.
02:41We go fast or not at all.
02:45Billy, you know that we're going to have your back.
02:48You'll be safe. We'll look after you.
02:49But I want it done properly.
02:51Yeah? I want it written down.
02:53Written down? What do you think you're doing?
02:54You think you're opening a bank account?
02:55You.
02:59You're in no position to negotiate.
03:01Okay?
03:04This is your last chance, Billy, to do something with your life.
03:09So what is it?
03:12Yes or no?
03:13There's an interesting aspect in terms of the personal versus the professional.
03:17That's what, after the first season, there's so many details in how they compartmentalize.
03:24It's very different.
03:25Could you talk about it?
03:26Because they're both detailed people, and yet they have a reaction in a different way in how they use their
03:34strategy to achieve goals, if that makes sense.
03:37Well, I think one of the things about playing these kinds of parts is that the show has these characters
03:46solving this case.
03:48That's what always happens.
03:50But in fact, they're just getting up every day, putting one foot in front of the other, and getting through
03:55the day.
03:56At least that's the way I see it.
03:58I think Hegarty is not an evil mastermind.
04:01And I think his life has turned out the way it's turned out.
04:05He's good at doing this stuff.
04:07He's smart, and he's clever, but he's really scarred.
04:11And what else is he going to do?
04:14What else is he going to do?
04:15He's just got to get on with this stuff.
04:17So that's what I try to bring to it, is just the pragmatism of getting through every day.
04:25And unfortunately, when she shows up, it largely spoils his day.
04:30But in this season, he realizes that he needs her.
04:34So he draws her in and tries to engage her help.
04:42Really?
04:46Really?
04:52Really?
04:57Sorry, mate.
04:59Who are you after?
05:02I didn't leave a flat number.
05:04Oh, no.
05:05Nightmare.
05:06Yeah.
05:07Well, it can't be 89 because that's me.
05:12Yeah?
05:13Yeah, I think I'd know.
05:15Sorry.
05:20You got a name at all?
05:21I left the note down with the bike.
05:24Oh, no.
05:26It's not your night.
05:29Um, have you tried flat two downstairs?
05:33Because they're always ordering in.
05:43I think that's what's becoming quite disturbing for June in season two is realizing that she's developing an inability to
05:53manage her personal.
05:54Based upon the fact that she gets so sucked into the professional.
05:58And because we don't know everything about Hegarty, which is part of the beauty of the character.
06:03We do begin to wonder whether, you know, what has been his trajectory, which has meant that he doesn't really
06:09have a personal either.
06:10Like what can happen to you as somebody that's so in pursuit of trying to do the right thing or
06:16to shift, you know, this, um, to shift whatever is happening at work that you're the one that's going to
06:24be solving it.
06:25That it can kind of have this, um, awful effect on your personal life.
06:29I think she becomes more and more lonely in a way that then makes her a bit more of a
06:34reflection of Hegarty without realizing it.
06:37Yeah. And that it's just unsustainable.
06:39You know, you can't leave the house every day wondering whether you're going to live or not and then come
06:43home and be like, but have we ordered enough food for dinner?
06:46Or do we have the football for my kid?
06:47You know, like it's, it's, it's just unsustainable way of living.
06:50And so she becomes more and more disconnected from her partner as well, which we see.
06:54Um, yeah.
06:55So I think that, that, that pressure is very high, but it makes us begin to wonder what the hell
06:59has happened to Hegarty, which I really like.
07:08What if there's a bomb?
07:11We'll stop her.
07:12What if we don't?
07:13This is intelligence.
07:15What we do here is fill in the fires before they start.
07:21You want to catch this man?
07:24This is the only game in town.
07:37You want to catch it?
07:39You want to catch it?
07:39Yeah.
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