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Gangho Neighborhood Bookstore 2026 Episode 6
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00:05Yeah.
00:05Oh, I'm so sorry.
00:08Oh, I'm so sorry.
00:11Oh, you know, I'm so sorry.
00:12It's a little bit too.
00:18Yeah, it's a little bit too early.
00:24I'm sorry.
00:25It's funny.
00:26Oh, it's good.
00:26Oh, it's true.
00:28Do you want to go there?
00:30Are you going to go there?
00:32Is there not yet?
00:34Yes, I'm going to go there.
00:36Yes, I'm going to go there.
00:37Yes, I'm going to go there.
00:41This is the most beautiful place in the world.
00:45This is the most beautiful place in the world.
00:47Welcome.
00:48Welcome.
00:52We've got a lot of books to buy.
00:55But you can buy books to buy?
00:58I'm going to buy a book for the first time.
01:00I'm going to buy a book for the first time.
01:02I want to buy a book for the first time.
01:03But I can't see it.
01:05It's different.
01:07But you can't see it.
01:10No, it's not.
01:11I can't see it.
01:12I'm going to pick the store together that I can't have against my desk differently.
01:15You can pay attention so I can't see it.
01:19It's not even long, so I've got to buy a book yet.
01:30Isn't that funny?
01:31Yes, there is no ranking.
01:33No, I'm not chưa to buy?
01:33Today, you are some talked about your own tone here.
01:36It's on.
01:39Oh, there are some things.
01:40It's so strange.
01:42It's really strange.
01:46It's a bit of a nervous feeling.
01:49Yes.
01:50If you're nervous, I'll give you a little more.
01:52I'll give you a little more...
01:58I'll give you a little more.
02:00Then I'll give you a little more.
02:02How do you say it?
02:07I'll give you a little more.
02:08I'll give you some more explanation.
02:11I used to.
02:13I used to...
02:15I was going toenaser.
02:19I used to have my finger.
02:20So I didn't affect my finger.
02:23I was like,
02:24I'm a little more.
02:30I've seen several times.
02:33It's interesting to hear from you.
02:34But I like this particular feeling.
02:35Yes, that's the first time.
02:36Yes.
02:38In fact, we don't have money.
02:42We don't have money.
02:43We don't have money.
02:44We don't have money.
02:46I don't have money.
02:48I don't have money.
02:53So, let's talk about this.
02:55Today, we have a lot of money.
02:58We have a lot of money.
02:59Let's talk about it.
03:00Yes, I'm sorry.
03:01Yes, I'm sorry.
03:04How do you get married?
03:053, 2, 3, 2, 3.
03:07Yes, 3, 2, 3.
03:10So, 3, 2, 3.
03:12Yes.
03:12And then, 2, 3, 2.
03:141, 2, 3.
03:18So, 1, 2, 3.
03:25Now, you're a good writer.
03:27You're a good writer.
03:28You're a good writer.
03:30You're a good writer.
03:30You're a good writer.
03:32I'm really good writer.
03:35You're a good writer.
03:37You're a good writer.
03:42You're a good writer.
03:44she is a.
03:46an多igne
03:48a lot of people still have an idea
03:50However, if you're looking at a job, what goes on?
03:52I think I don't want to make sure that it's easy to do with the role of a person.
03:59I'm a director, as a person.
04:00I think I can do it as well.
04:02Anyway, you're a manager of the artist.
04:04How am I going to start missing a date?
04:05Yes, I'm not mistaken.
04:08No, I am not mistaken of...
04:10oh!
04:12Yes, yes.
04:12Yes.
04:12Yes.
04:12Yes.
04:14I read books...
04:15There we go.
04:22It's done...
04:24I love the events that I've learned from my life.
04:28It's a good book.
04:30I've read the book and asked me to do this.
04:38I'm so sorry.
04:42We have a good feeling.
04:45But I think it's a good feeling.
04:46I think this is a good feeling.
04:46I'm just an honest, honest and honest.
04:48I'll be honest with you.
04:51I'm a good answer to our parents.
04:53How did you write this book?
04:55I'm a bit more honest and honest about it.
05:02I do think it's a simple book.
05:03I'm like, this book's life that you live with.
05:05We also talked about the product in a lot of this video.
05:11Yeah, it is a lot.
05:12Ah, yes, it is.
05:13Yes.
05:13Okay, so there are many things.
05:15There are many things, aren't we?
05:20Yes.
05:21Then there are many things.
05:21It is, right?
05:22That's the fact that the behavior of the virus has been used for it.
05:25Yes.
05:26It's like a thing that is just like a body-p�, and a thing that is just like a body.
05:31It's like a body-p�.
05:33What's the name of the barbong?
05:34On the top of the barbong, then you can use it.
05:39Yes, well, the main part of the barbong is what you love for me.
05:45I'm a fan of the barbong.
05:50I love the barbong.
05:53It's a good thing.
05:55It's a good thing to be clear.
05:59I think I'll be sure to win.
06:01When I was a failure, I would be able to get a mistake.
06:07I can't remember what I'm trying to do.
06:08I can't remember how I was trying to do it.
06:10I can't remember how it was.
06:14But the reason why I was trying to make a mistake is that it's clear.
06:18I will say the next step is to make the same decision.
06:21But we will do the same thing as you will make the same decision.
06:27Well, we will have to make the same decision.
06:29The same decision is right now.
06:31Now we have to read the book by the E.S.
06:33The second book is called E.S.
06:35Let's read the book by the E.S.
06:36The book is called it, which is not the word, right?
06:40How did you start the book?
06:42I was going to start with the book.
06:47because I grew up in the sea.
06:49The sea.
06:50So you were born in the sea?
06:52So, you were born.
06:53Yes, my father, my son, the birds were crushing.
06:55So I was also male, my baby,
06:59and I worked for the same day as a mother.
07:01Yes.
07:01So I was born in the sea as a bird.
07:07I loved it.
07:08Yes.
07:09I, my mam is very much.
07:11But I think it was hard to be as a kid with it.
07:14If you had any experience,
07:14you could have kids then?
07:16I was very proud of my wife when I was 5 years old.
07:18I was very proud of my wife, but when I was 6, I was very proud of my wife.
07:24My wife's all over the world.
07:27My wife has been so long since I started.
07:29I started to win, and my wife was so happy.
07:32It was so important that I was really proud of my wife.
07:36I was so proud of my wife.
07:36Yeah, because I had a chance to win, but I believe I won't.
07:41Yes, I was so proud of my wife.
07:43It was 7 years ago, so it was 8 years ago.
07:46It was 9 years ago, 10 years ago, it was impossible to win.
07:50At that time, it was 6 years ago, but it was a big deal.
07:54But I didn't think I would win.
07:59I didn't think I would win.
08:00It was really fun to me.
08:04When I was in high school, I started to learn and think about it.
08:09So I kept doing it.
08:13But if I didn't like it, it would be impossible.
08:15That's right.
08:17What do you think you could make a lot of money?
08:18I remember when I was in high school.
08:21When I was in high school, I had a lot of money.
08:24In high school, I had a lot of money.
08:27I had a lot of money.
08:28But it was 5, 6 years ago.
08:33It was 5, 5 years ago.
08:34I had a lot of money.
08:35I had a lot of money.
08:36So I went, I had a lot of money for myself.
08:42I like it, and it was a lot of money.
08:46It was a lot of money.
08:49It was a lot of money.
08:51So at all the time, I had a big deal of money.
08:59It's been a lot of memories.
09:01You've been making a lot of wine.
09:05You can see a little bit of wine.
09:09Really?
09:11It's really good.
09:14It's really good.
09:15I remember it.
09:17I remember it.
09:17It's a little bit of wine.
09:18It's a little bit of wine.
09:19Another.
09:19Like I said.
09:26Do you think you're gonna know what is going on?
09:26Do you think when a young lady would be married to a good life?
09:29Remember that you know what I'm going to be?
09:34You're going to be a little bit more.
09:36You're going to be a little better.
09:38Are you going to be a little bit less than I know?
09:40I'm going to tell you about it.
09:41I'm going to say what I'm going to say.
09:42I can't believe it.
09:43But I can't believe it.
09:47But I can't believe it.
09:50I can't believe it.
09:51I can't believe it.
09:53Why did you say that?
09:54You said that you were all in the house and you were all in the house?
09:58That was 1989.
10:00When I was in the world,
10:03I was at the time of the world
10:04to the world of the world.
10:06Yes, it was.
10:07I was watching my dad on TV, but I watched the TV show and said,
10:17I said, I can't do anything. I'm fine.
10:23Okay, thank you very much.
10:53How did you call a pro pro pro?
10:55I was 12 years old.
10:56I was 12 years old.
11:00I had a pro pro who became my favorite part in this year.
11:06I realized that I was really excited to be a pro pro.
11:10If I were a pro pro for that, I would give a big time.
11:16I couldn't write anything, out of it?
11:17If I had a pro pro, then I got a pro.
11:22I was very young.
11:24But it was just...
11:27It was so good.
11:32I was really proud of myself.
11:34I didn't think I was really good at that.
11:37I didn't think I was a good one.
11:39I was just a little late.
11:41I was just a little late.
11:44I was really confident in my life.
11:47I was like, I'm the best.
11:50I was like, I'm the best.
11:51I'm not a two-year-old.
11:54That's the fact that I'm not sure.
11:56You can't get to the beach in the city of Begumdo,
11:58but you can't get to the beach in the city of Begumdo.
12:02I'm so happy.
12:04No, I don't think I'm thinking about it.
12:08I was a father-in-law.
12:11He was a father-in-law.
12:13and then, I'm going to stay together.
12:14I'm going to stay together with a friend of mine.
12:19I was like, where my mom was going.
12:22I just gave 5 people a lot of people together, I also paid so much for it.
12:28I also have a lot of love.
12:30I have loved them, my mom and my mom.
12:33I'm not sure why I'm so proud.
12:38I'm so happy that I'm being a good friend and I'm not sure why I'm perfect.
12:40No touch.
12:41What's your teacher?
12:44I'm a pro.
12:47I'm a pro.
12:48I'm a pro.
12:51I'm a pro.
12:52I'm a pro.
12:52I'm a pro.
12:56I'm a pro.
12:57So I got a lot of my parents and my parents were on the phone.
13:01So I got a lot of my parents at this time.
13:03And I got a big daughter.
13:06So I got a lot of them.
13:09You're 12 years old.
13:15I'm a guy who's a pro.
13:17I want to get a lot of money.
13:20I'm a pro.
13:21But you're a boy, you're a teen.
13:22But you're a man, you're a boy?
13:24Yes, I'm a pro.
13:25I was very proud of him, so.
13:27I was very proud of him.
13:29I was very proud of him.
13:34He was a proud man, and he was proud of him.
13:38He was proud of him.
13:39But he didn't have to do it.
13:44He was proud of him when he was born again?
13:46What happened to me?
13:4798th year I was a kid who came to the hospital.
13:54It was my birthday.
13:58It was 3.2.
13:59I was thinking about my birthday.
14:06It's not a gift for all of us.
14:08But the person who feels like a baby kid,
14:13is not just a gift.
14:14It's not just a gift.
14:17It's not a gift.
14:19It's not a gift.
14:20I didn't know even that.
14:23So I was just sorry.
14:28But I think it's a good thing.
14:30I think it's a good thing to do with a lot.
14:33I think I think it's really good when I was at the beginning.
14:39I'm sorry, I think I was a good one.
14:41I've had a lot of fun.
14:45That was a good thing.
14:46I think it was a good thing.
14:48But the reason I got this to be a good thing,
14:55is that it was a good thing.
14:56That's what I saw.
14:58It's a good thing.
14:59So it was a good thing.
14:59I was a good thing.
15:02I was going to get a job.
15:03I was going to get to my heart.
15:06I was going to get to my heart now.
15:08I think it's hard to get out of time.
15:09I know I've been told you, but I think you've been so much
15:12in the past.
15:15How much do you feel?
15:17I don't know.
15:20I'm sorry.
15:26I'm sorry.
15:28I'm sorry.
15:29I'm sorry.
15:34I'm sorry.
15:35I was like, I was going to be a bus.
15:37I was going to be a bus.
15:39I was like, I was going to be a bus.
15:45But it was really hard.
15:51I was like, I was going to be a bus.
15:55That was my last time.
15:59I was like, why did you go to the bus?
16:01I don't know.
16:08I don't know.
16:11You first have to move your hand out.
16:19That's what I've seen before.
16:24I've seen the first time I've seen before.
16:28I've seen a lot of my parents.
16:34I've seen a lot of my parents.
16:36I've seen a lot of my parents.
16:48And my father's dream, you can give a lot of hope.
16:54I can't believe my father's dream, so I can't believe it.
16:57I can't believe it.
17:25The main champion I used to think is that He-ra-ro.
17:31It's new to the current title of his name.
17:32That's why He-ra-ro.
17:35Very disturbing, right?
17:35That's right, really.
17:37Maybe you can see him at the plauge that's going to be great.
17:39When we got , he'll start playing he has hard fun.
17:43Yes .
17:44Mariah is always responsible for профity ng.
17:50It's people who's Point.
17:55It's not an party group.
18:01Like a peak.
18:02Or an event fan either.
18:02Any other party group , too, is going forward.
18:03You'll also have to provide pleasure.
18:05Like a professional group.
18:05I hate you.
18:06I hate you.
18:07It's an actual world.
18:09I hate you.
18:11It's a very good thing.
18:13One-to-one, one-to-one.
18:14It's a long time, right?
18:15One-to-one, one-to-one.
18:20One-to-one.
18:22One-to-one.
18:25One-to-one.
18:29One-to-one.
18:45Yes.
18:45What about you?
18:47What are you doing?
18:47Is he the newest champion?
18:49Yeah, he's the best champion of this champion.
18:53I think I would say he'd do the combat in Kanojo.
18:57So, it was the next time I was going to do it.
19:05It was really a big compliment.
19:13It was a long time ago.
19:16It was a long time ago.
19:19Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
19:49I had the first time Olympic race.
19:54I started the first class of 2020 before the first time.
19:56But that was the first time I was in the first place.
19:59It was the first time I met a job in 2012.
20:05Then I got a busy fight in 2019.
20:09When I got hit on the moon, I was killed by 1,000.
20:15After all, I got a response to a lot.
20:22That's what I should say about it.
20:25Yeah, that's actually a lot.
20:25Yes, it's very good.
20:27I have to stop the où.
20:33At first, I have never met him.
20:37So at next 4, I had never met him.
20:38At least the best of the team is 2 wins, 1, 1, 2 wins.
20:45If you do this, you can go out there.
20:48If you do this, you can't get any more.
20:49Ha ha ha ha ha ha
20:52So we can see that
20:54We can see how the military has become a leader.
20:58How to do this.
21:00This is how it's done.
21:02We can see that in the future.
21:05But we can talk about that.
21:06We can talk about the military.
21:07The military's in the 30th century.
21:08Yes, so we can talk about it.
21:09Yes, they can talk about it.
21:11There's a risk that we can't do.
21:17But the conclusion is that we can't do this.
21:23We need to have to do this.
21:25I have to do it.
21:55원래 목적은 3월달에 시작을 해서 12월에 끝나는 이런 시기였습니다.
22:00그런데 좀 빨리 끝났죠.
22:02제가 미안하죠 뭐.
22:09좋게 6대2로 승리를 했는데요.
22:12승패는 사실 그렇게 중요하지도 않았던 것 같고요.
22:1520번기 자체에 대국을 했다.
22:19이게 중요한 것 같습니다.
22:21진짜 세계의 라이벌이자 인생의 동반자이기도 하네요.
22:25네.
22:26둘이서 막 깔깔깔 웃으면서 5대5대면
22:30야 이 머리 좀 많이 받고 막
22:34야 11번째 대국 가는 거지 막
22:36그러면서
22:395대5대면
22:55자 그리고 이제 또 한 번의 명성부
22:57알파고의 대결
22:59AI를 이긴
23:00유일한 인류
23:02바둑 세계 최강자 이세돌 구단과
23:05구글의 인공지능 바둑 프로그램 알파고의 첫 대국이 오늘 오후 시작됩니다.
23:11오늘 이겼는데 이렇게 축하를 받아본 것도 처음인 것 같습니다.
23:16이 대결은 일단 어떻게 성사가 된 겁니까?
23:19처음 제 일을 받았던 게 커제구단 결승전 끝나고 나서
23:242대3으로 패했어요.
23:27보통은 그런 큰 시합을 치면은
23:29연락을 잘 안 합니다.
23:31좀 이제 회복할 시간을 줘야 되기 때문에
23:34끝나고 바로였나?
23:36당일날인가 전화가 왔어요.
23:38중국에 있던
23:39지인으로부터
23:40후배기사예요.
23:43뭐지?
23:44오빠는데 뭐
23:45혹시
23:46담보 오시면
23:47시간 되시냐고
23:48그래서 다음날
23:50바로 만났습니다.
23:52비 빌려줄게 약속
23:54그런데
23:55제가 처음에 느꼈던 것
23:57그냥 이벤트구나
23:59체스는 진즉에 컴퓨터가 이겼죠.
24:02바둑도 언젠가는
24:03잃을 것이라고 생각은 하고 있었어요.
24:06네.
24:07그게 2016년도라고 생각하지 않았고요.
24:10조금 이만큼 우려도 없었습니까?
24:12네.
24:13안 진다?
24:14아예 지는 걸 생각을 하지 않았어요.
24:17거의 뭐
24:17자신이 없어요 정도
24:20그래서
24:21질 자신이
24:22그래가지고
24:24정말
24:25그러한 상황이라
24:28진다는 생각을 안 하고 있다가요.
24:30전문가분이 한번 오셨어요.
24:32기원으로
24:34저기 사버님
24:35인공지능이라는 게
24:36뭐 여기까지 올려놓기는 어렵지만
24:38여기
24:39여기까지 올라간 순간
24:40전체 기하급수적으로 발전합니다.
24:43조심하셔야 됩니다.
24:44대비하시고
24:45좀 준비하셔야 됩니다.
24:48혹시 바둑은
24:49저는 바둑은 잘
24:51아
24:52바둑을 모르셔가지고
24:53이러신구나
24:55아
24:56그렇구나
24:56하면서
24:57향기로 향기로 그냥 흘려버렸는데
24:58그게
24:59또 바로 보냈습니까?
25:01거의 뭐
25:01다이렉트로 그냥
25:02뻥 뚫려있더라고요.
25:04그렇고
25:05시합 전날에
25:07전야제
25:08전야제
25:09전야제 때 얘기하는데
25:10뭐
25:10이 기술의 발전은
25:12승패를 떠나서
25:13이 기술의 발전은
25:13인류 발전에 도움이 될 것이고
25:15어쩌고저쩌고 하는데
25:16얘기를 딱 들어오는 순간은 뭐냐면
25:18어?
25:19난 저 있네?
25:22시작도 전에 저 있는 듯한 느낌이었어요.
25:24어떻게 저렇게 자신감이 있지?
25:27좀 이상하긴 하다.
25:29그때 처음 느꼈습니다.
25:31원래
25:31서양 쪽은
25:32이렇게 일을 하시나?
25:33그리고 이제 그 다음
25:35대국에서
25:36그때
25:38생각보다 잘 누더라고요.
25:40첫 번째가
25:41알파고가 생각보다 잘 눌던 게
25:42첫 번째고요.
25:43두 번째로는
25:44괴리감.
25:46아저왕이라는 분이
25:47또 와주신 분이죠.
25:50그럼 우리가 보통
25:51대국을 하게 되면
25:52상대방이 기운
25:53승부호흡 같은 걸 느끼면서 이제
25:56뭔가 대국을 하게 되는데
25:58뭐 이분이야 뭐
26:00그냥 옮겨주시는 분이잖아요.
26:02그러니까
26:02의도가 있으신 분이 아니잖아요.
26:04그러니까
26:05승부
26:05그런 기운이나 승부호흡을
26:07느낄 수가 없습니다.
26:09그게
26:10막상 겪어보니까
26:11그런
26:12생소한 괴리감이
26:13크게 다가오더라고요.
26:14사실 제 실력을
26:16받지 못했어요.
26:18그래서 제가 일국 지고 나서
26:19어떻게 이탈을 했냐면
26:21다음
26:22최선을 다할 때만
26:23이렇게 넘어갔습니다.
26:24아마 충격적으로
26:25이렇게 했지만
26:25실제 마음가심.
26:26아이고
26:27감사하고
26:28다 이기죠.
26:31제 실력만 발휘하면
26:33아이씨.
26:34아이씨.
26:35한 게 낯설어가지고
26:36아이씨.
26:38은근히 힘드네요.
26:39그러면서
26:40야 근데 진짜
26:41이구 딱 두는데
26:43다 충격적이었죠.
26:46진짜 힘 한 번 못 사고
26:47그냥 쫙
26:48일방적으로
26:49일방적으로
26:50제일 중요한 게
26:51징계 문제가 아닙니다.
26:53왜 젖는들을 모르겠어요.
26:56폐착을 모르겠어요.
26:57그걸 알아야 되는데
26:58무엇을 실수를 했는지를 알아야 될 거 아닙니까.
27:01폐착을 알아야
27:02실마를 풀어갈 수 있으니까.
27:03심지어는
27:04이국은 연구를 많이 했습니다.
27:06도대체 뭐
27:07무슨 일이 벌어진 건가.
27:09왜 젖나.
27:11근데 사실
27:13우리 인간 풀어드는 걸
27:14못 찾았습니다.
27:16포로파두 기사님들
27:18사이에서
27:18분위기가 굉장히 심각해졌겠어요.
27:20심각적이었죠.
27:22이국.
27:22진짜 분위기가 심각해질 것 같아.
27:24뭘 알아요.
27:25이세돌이 여기 실수해서
27:26아이씨.
27:28사장님 문제가 맞네.
27:28이런 식의
27:29책임 전가라도
27:30제가 뒀으니까요.
27:33근데 이 사장님
27:33어디서 실수하셨지.
27:35서로가 모르는 거예요.
27:37대국 당가자는
27:37저도 모르고
27:38어디 지켜본
27:39그 기사들도
27:40이게 충격적으로
27:42받아들일 수밖에 없는 거죠.
27:44그리고 나서
27:45타는 날이
27:45삼국이에요.
27:48사실상
27:48이길 수가 없었습니다.
27:50너무 데이터도
27:51부족했고요.
27:52너무 충격이
27:53컸어요.
27:54컴퓨터
27:541200여대를 연결한
27:56알파고의
27:56막강함이
27:57서서히 드러나면서
27:58176수만의
28:00패배를 인정했습니다.
28:05아니 그 책을 보면
28:06호텔에 돌아왔잖아요.
28:07패배를 하고
28:08호텔에 돌아왔는데
28:09아무런 기억이 없다고 해요.
28:11아니 그건
28:11제 아내 입장에서
28:13글을
28:14써놓은 건데요.
28:26제 아내가 바둑을 전혀 몰라요.
28:28내가 바둑 얘기를 하면
28:30이게 횡설수설로 들릴 거예요.
28:33왜 나한테 이런 얘기를 하시
28:34뭐 이런
28:35근데 저는 또
28:36뭐라도 얘기를 하면
28:37조금 풀리고
28:39그 와이프한테
28:41참 어떻게 웃으나
28:42이렇게
28:42야 이렇게 웃으면
28:43어땠을까
28:44와이프가
28:45어
28:46그래서
28:47그 와이프 입장에서는
28:49정말 이 사람이
28:50약간 정신이 나갔구나.
28:51평소와는 좀 다른 느낌의
28:54그랬을 것 같아요.
28:56그날이 결혼 개념일이었어요.
28:59그렇더라고요.
28:59결혼 10주년입니다.
29:01그걸 딥마인드에서 축하한다고
29:03여기 상대에 나는
29:03아씨 어찌나 야구르든지
29:05뭐야
29:07무슨 뭘 축하해 지금
29:10저는
29:10당연히 제가 상대형으로 이기고
29:12지금 막
29:13이걸 즐기려고
29:13막 준비해가지고
29:14근데 뭐가 바뀌었잖아
29:16지금 이게
29:17상패를 보냈어요.
29:20아 이건 책이 없었는데
29:22아 진짜 얼마나 야구르든지
29:24그러면서 이제
29:24참 재밌습니다.
29:26이게 왜냐면요
29:27그 뒤에 바로
29:28인류에게 희망을 준
29:30이제
29:3178소가 나옵니다.
29:33우리는 이런걸
29:34신의 한수라고 하는거죠?
29:35네
29:35좀 민망합니다.
29:38여기서 알파고가
29:40패배를 선언했습니다.
29:45드디어 알파고를
29:46이기는 방법을
29:47찾아냈다는
29:48본성공.
29:48알파고가
29:49완벽하지만은
29:50않다는게
29:51드러났다는
29:51목소리로 나왔습니다.
29:58한국에서
30:00특초반에
30:00승부를 걸은
30:01그런 작전을
30:02실패했어요.
30:03그러니까 잘못된 작전이에요.
30:044국의
30:05중반전
30:0650수에서
30:07100수 사이에
30:08승부를
30:08걸었는데
30:09근데 저는
30:10대단한 그게 아니라
30:12후반전 안 돼요.
30:13왜냐하면
30:13너무 돌수가 많아지면
30:15이 알파고 연산 능력을
30:17감안하면
30:17완벽하게
30:18들어오겠죠.
30:19그 초반?
30:20그건
30:21제가 안 돼서
30:22안 됩니다.
30:23사람이 안 돼서 안 됩니다.
30:25네.
30:26그럼 결국
30:26중반전
30:28승부를 할 수밖에 없었던 거예요.
30:30사실상
30:31근데 거기서 이제 어떻게 해야 되느냐
30:33정상적으로는 못 이기는 겁니다.
30:36정수대로 도서는 못 이기는 겁니다.
30:38그럼 알파고를 찾기 위해서는?
30:40버그를 일으켜야 되는 거죠.
30:42알파고가 우리에게
30:44기술적으로 충격을 준 부분이 하나 있습니다.
30:46뭐냐면
30:47배제하는 거예요.
30:49예전에
30:50바둑 프로그래밍 같은 경우에는
30:52우리 사람은 생각하지 않는
30:54그런 것까지 다 생각을 했어야 돼요.
30:57말이 안 되는 자리도
30:58컴퓨터는 생각을 했어야 돼요.
31:00근데 알파고는 배제를 합니다.
31:02전혀 불필요한 그런 것들
31:03연산을 하지 않아요.
31:05배제를 해버립니다.
31:06근데 그게
31:07초참기잖아요.
31:09거기서 약간씩
31:10배제하지 않아야 될 것도 배제를 내버려요.
31:13그 부분이 하나 있고요.
31:15하나가 시간이 정해져 있었습니다.
31:17타이머가
31:18한 수를 두는데
31:20쉽든 어렵든
31:21얘는 50초 안에 둬야 돼요.
31:24예상 외에 어떤 자리를 제가 뒀을 때
31:272, 3분 있으면 상관이 없어요.
31:29근데 얘는 50초 안에 둬야 되는 거예요.
31:32거기서
31:33버그가 일어나는 거예요.
31:35명확하게.
31:37형세가 다소 불리했던 대국 중반
31:39이세돌 구단이 회심의 한 수
31:4178수를 흑돌 사이에 뒀습니다.
31:44이 승부수에 알파고는 이해하기 힘든 수들을
31:47바둑판 이곳저곳에 연발했습니다.
31:50진짜 에러 났던 것밖에 할 말이 없는데요.
31:52결국 이기는 기계 알파고는 자멸했습니다.
31:55이렇게 좋아해 주시고 박수도 쳐주시고 그런데
31:59저도 바둑에 있어서 신념, 철학 같은 게 있을 거잖아요.
32:05네.
32:07정면을 위배되는 수정.
32:12저는 최선의 정수가 아닌 걸 알고
32:16의도적으로 이렇게 둔 거는
32:18그대로 처음인자 마지막일 겁니다.
32:22본인의 바둑은 아니다?
32:24네.
32:25아니, 저도, 저도 핀치에 몰렸고요.
32:29그런데 저만 핀치에 몰린 게 아니잖아요.
32:31제 아내, 아이가 같이 있었습니다.
32:34호텔에 같이 있었고 제 동료, 지인 다 같이 있었죠.
32:39저를 응원해 주신 분들도 많이 계셨고요.
32:42제가 만약에 저만의 패배라고 생각을 했으면
32:46그냥 그렇게 뒀을 겁니다.
32:49그렇죠.
32:50어떤 위로, 최고의 위로가 되고 싶고.
32:52저는 바둑을 예술로 배웠습니다.
32:58예술적인 관점에서 보면
33:01그런 승패는 작품을 만들어가는 과정에서 나오는
33:06그냥 하나의 부산물에 불과한 거거든요.
33:09성분 집착해서 본인이 대화수를 두지 못했을 때는
33:13아파하시는 거죠?
33:15그럼요.
33:15괴로워하는 게 아니고 괴로운 수준이 아니고 뭐.
33:18사랑가야 되고 이겼으면 절대 하지 않겠죠.
33:21물론 통하지도 않겠지만.
33:24참 아이러니한 게
33:25본인에게는 제일 아픈 수였는데
33:28또 결과적으로 보니까
33:29인류에게는 희망을 준 한 수가 됐습니다.
33:32제가 근데
33:32삼국 때 남긴 게 있죠.
33:35그러니까
33:35이세돌이는 것이 인간이 필요한 것은 아니다.
33:38라는
33:38멋진 멘트를 남기면
33:42아주 나이스 타이밍.
33:44참지도 못하고
33:46이야, 그럼요.
33:50그러니까 알파고와의 대전으로 이제
33:52삶에 또 다른 전환점이 생기는데
33:56은퇴 선언을 합니다.
33:58네.
33:58어떻게 은퇴 선언을 하시게 됐습니까?
34:002017년도에 알파고 마스터 버전, 상위 버전이죠.
34:03네.
34:04이건 방법이 없겠더라고요.
34:06정말 우리가 생각하지 못한 수준을 많이 둡니다.
34:09한계를 느껴요.
34:10그러니까 이기고 지고의 문제가 아니었습니다.
34:14바둑의 흐름이 완전 바뀌었습니까?
34:16완전히.
34:17완전 바뀌었어요.
34:18이렇게 두는 거구나.
34:20감탄을 하면서 봐요.
34:21진짜
34:21왜 이렇게 쉬운 것들을 왜 우리는 몰랐냐.
34:25물론 어려운 수들도 있었어요.
34:27근데
34:27정말 쉬운 수들도 있습니다.
34:30그게 일종의 고정관념 같은 거죠.
34:32그 충격도 있었는데
34:34바둑 프로그램이 그때부터 짭갈립니다.
34:37그리고
34:38이제 그걸 보고 이제
34:40프로 기사들도 공부하는 시대가 열린 겁니다.
34:43이게 달라요.
34:44알파고리와 알파고마스터는
34:45인간의 기보를 학습을 했습니다.
34:48알파고리 제로는 인간의 기보를 학습하지 않았습니다.
34:51룰만 가르쳐주고
34:52자체적으로 대국을 통해서 학습을 했습니다.
34:56자, 여기서 무슨 문제가 생기냐.
34:57인간의 기보를 학습하지 않았기 때문에
34:59저는 이해를 못합니다.
35:01아
35:03얘가 왜 이렇게 둡는지를 몰라요.
35:05보기가 안 되는 거네요.
35:06네.
35:06쭉 보면 이해가 되는 경우도 있어요.
35:09아, 이렇게 해서 이렇게 뒀구나.
35:11끝까지 모르는 경우도 있습니다.
35:13평소에 바둑을 두셨는데
35:15바둑이잖아요.
35:16근데 내가 아는 바둑이
35:17아닌 거죠?
35:20질 수 있다든지
35:22뭐 사람한테도 지는 거기 때문에요.
35:24그러면 질 수 있다든지더라도
35:27제가 이해를 못한다는 거는
35:29진짜 생각을 못해봤습니다.
35:32네.
35:33그건 다른 거죠.
35:34지고 이기고와 다른 거죠.
35:37교수님.
35:38네.
35:39그래서 떠나신 겁니까?
35:40그 영향이 굉장히 컸죠.
35:45그러면 제가 바둑을 두는 의미는 뭡니까?
35:51물론 지금 두고 있는 바둑들이 의미가 없다는 건 아니고요.
35:55그러니까 저 제가 생각했던 의미는 사라졌지 않습니까?
35:59개인적인 의미는 사라진 거죠.
36:03정말...
36:04네.
36:06힘들었던 말씀.
36:07아니, 진짜...
36:08너 이게...
36:09이해를 못한다?
36:13그렇지만 이 세돌이라는 사람이
36:15이 인공지능에서도
36:19뭔가를 보여주고 은퇴를 했으면 좋겠다.
36:21라고
36:22제가 얘기를 많이 했습니다.
36:24제가 근데
36:24나는 너무 힘들다.
36:26인공지능 보고 공부를 한다는 것 자체가 나는 너무 힘들다.
36:29정말 죄송합니다.
36:32그분들한테는.
36:34힘들어도 그런 노력하는 모습을 보여드렸어야 됐는데
36:39제가 그러지 못했거든요.
36:42네.
36:43솔직한 고백입니다.
36:44우리 동료분들에게도 그렇고.
37:14우리 장강명의 먼저 온 미래라는 책이 있습니다.
37:18먼저 온 미래라는 책을 보면
37:21이세돌은 미래를 먼저 마주한 사람으로 표현을 했던데
37:24이 AI 발달로 인해서 인간의 자리가 점점 줄어들고 있다고 느끼십니까?
37:30근데 많은 분들이 걱정하는 게
37:32이거는 대체되는 게 아니라
37:34아예 사라지는 거다.
37:36근데 저는 전혀 그렇게 생각하지는 않습니다.
37:39그렇게 생각을 안 해요.
37:40좀 나뉘다고 생각을 합니다.
37:42컴퓨터가 하는 일, 인간이 하는 일.
37:46컴퓨터는 바둑처럼 룰이 명확하고
37:49한정적인 상황에선 어마어마한 힘을 발휘합니다.
37:52그렇지만 인간처럼 뭔가 기준을 정하고
37:57처음에 방향을 정하고요.
37:59또 우리의 개성을 넣으려고 하잖아요.
38:02저는 이것이 인간의 역할이고요.
38:06초인공지능 사회가 오더라도
38:08이게 변할 것 같지는 않습니다.
38:12AI 시대에 우리가 살아가야 됩니다.
38:14AI는 계속해서 진화하고 있고요.
38:16근데 교수님은 아이들에게
38:20바둑의 중요성을 굉장히 강조하셨더라고요.
38:24바둑이라는 게
38:25인류가 만드는 유일하고 완벽한 추상 전략 게임입니다.
38:29저는 AI를 활용해야 된다고 생각하거든요.
38:32처음에 상상?
38:34이런 건 인간이 해야 된다는 거예요.
38:35질문이 또 좋아야 된다고 그러더라고요.
38:38그 질문을 잘하려면 추상적 능력이 필요하다는 겁니다.
38:42앞으로 AI 시대에 살아갈 우리 아이들에게
38:44바둑의 중요성을 강조하는 것은
38:46실패를 통해서 인생을 배우는 값진 경험이 될 것 같아요.
38:51바둑은 지면서 배우는 거거든요.
38:53실패를 통해서 배우는 겁니까?
38:54네.
38:55너무 당연해요.
38:56지는 게
38:57또 존중 배려
38:59책임
39:00사실 바둑에서 가장 중요시 여기는 게
39:03상대방을 존중하고 배려하고
39:05또 자신의 애수에 책임을 지는 겁니다.
39:08보로님
39:09네.
39:10바둑 너무 어렵잖아요.
39:12그게 장점이 차단점
39:14아니 문제가 그거예요.
39:16참 좋은데
39:18뭐 쉽게 집하셔도 방법이 없습니까?
39:21그래서 제가 바둑 기반 게임도 만들었어요.
39:25보드 게임 작가라고 했는데
39:27저는 블루 단순하고
39:29쉽게 만들었다고 생각을 해요.
39:32바둑 게임을 만드셨다고요?
39:33네. 바둑 기반 보드 게임입니다.
39:35많이 팔립니까? 많이 팔립니까?
39:37그렇지도 않은 것 같기도 하고요.
39:41마지막으로 그러면
39:43어려운 질문이 될 수 있습니다.
39:45기대하겠습니다.
39:46이세돌 인생에 복귀를 해봤을 때
39:50스스로 어떤 한수를 가장 잘 뒀다고 생각하십니까?
39:56결혼?
39:59저랑 동갑입니다.
40:00동갑에 이제
40:01참 사람이 참 좋아요.
40:04바둑 몰라도?
40:06네. 바둑만 모를 뿐입니다.
40:09네. 참 좋습니다.
40:11결혼이 진정한 신의 한수였다.
40:15박수로 마무리 주시죠.
40:18자 그러면 제가 이제
40:21오늘 책을 추천받기 위해서 오셨죠?
40:24아 예.
40:24아 그걸 잊어버리고 있었는데
40:25네. 맞습니다.
40:27제가 그렇게 왔죠.
40:29자 저희들은 현금하고 카드를 안 받습니다.
40:31아 예.
40:31그것만 가져왔는데
40:33예.
40:33아 예.
40:35아 예.
40:36아 예.
40:37아 예.
40:38아 예.
40:38자 그러면 제가
40:39아 오늘 이세돌 님의
40:41책
40:41어떤 책을 추천해 줄까 생각을 해봤는데
40:46딱 떠올랐습니다.
40:48이세돌 님에게
40:50추천할 책은
40:51총!
40:52균!
40:53세다!
40:54아 근데
40:55감사합니다.
40:57감사합니다.
40:58아 근데
40:59너무
41:00문명한 책 아닌가요?
41:03인류 문명을
41:05하나의 거대한 판으로 놓고
41:07어떤 문명은 강해졌고
41:09또 어떤 문명은 그렇지 못했는지를
41:10구조와 환경이라는 관점에서 읽어내는 책이 될 텐데요.
41:14이세돌 님께서 늘
41:15인생의 어떤 수읽기를 하셨는데
41:17이 책은
41:18수천 년짜리
41:20수읽기를 보는 기분이 될 겁니다.
41:23제레드 다이아몬드의
41:24총기세를
41:25선물로 드리겠습니다.
41:26감사합니다.
41:27감사합니다.
41:28정말 정독해서 잘 읽겠습니다.
41:31오늘 그
41:32본인의
41:33인생을 한번 이렇게 쭉 이렇게
41:34본기를 해보셨는데
41:35어떠셨습니까?
41:37저는 너무
41:37소중한
41:38시간이었던
41:39이게
41:40빈말이 아니고요.
41:42비슷한 얘기를
41:43다른 데서
41:44또 했었죠.
41:46인터뷰가 있을 수도 있고
41:47그렇습니다만
41:49이
41:50호크라테스 님과는
41:52완전 다른 거죠.
41:53진짜 다릅니다.
41:54사람마다 그 얘기할 때
41:56느낌이 다 다른 거잖습니까.
41:57너무 감사합니다.
41:58과찬이십니다.
41:59그리고
42:00저한테 너무 소중할 것 같아.
42:01이런 에너지를 느껴고
42:02이런 대화를 했다는 게
42:04너무 감사합니다.
42:05정말.
42:06여기서 계단 올라가게 되면
42:07바로 이
42:08현저의 축이 될 텐데
42:10저도
42:10제 인생에 뜨고뜨고 자라게 될 겁니다.
42:12감사합니다.
42:13네.
42:14이 세상에 가장 아름다운 동네
42:15강호동에 위치한
42:17사람을 읽어드리는 공간
42:19강호동네스점
42:20오늘도
42:20맛있는
42:21이세들 이세들
42:22짠 읽었다.
42:25안녕하십니까.
42:26대도시의 사랑법이라는
42:27영화의 원작 소설을 쓴
42:30환상에는 책이 없는데
42:31먹고 살아야 되기 때문에
42:32열광했던 이유를 뭐라고 보십니까?
42:34잘 써서 그런가?
42:36저의 전성기는 아직 오지 않았습니다.
42:38그렇죠.
42:38너무 외람되지만
42:39약간 거울을 보고 있는 것처럼
42:40친근한 마음이 없잖아.
42:42고맙습니다.
42:44고맙습니다.
42:45고맙습니다.
42:49고맙습니다.
42:51고맙습니다.
42:53고맙습니다.
42:57고맙습니다.
43:00고맙습니다.
43:03고맙습니다.
43:04고맙습니다.
43:06고맙습니다.
43:10고맙습니다.
43:12고맙습니다.
43:14고맙습니다.
43:15고맙습니다.
43:16고맙습니다.
43:16고맙습니다.
43:17고맙습니다.
43:17고맙습니다.
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