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Colombia+20 habló en exclusiva con Giovanny Andrés Rojas, conocido como "Araña". Señala que están dispuestos a un cese al fuego y no aceptarán un sometimiento a la justicia.
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00:08My name is Giovanni Entre Rojas, alias Araña, and I am part of the General Direction of Comandos de Fronteras.
00:16Why would you like to accept this interview?
00:19Because we want to know the public opinion that we are a political organization.
00:24This is the first interview we have.
00:27Our association is organized by combat commanders, squadrons, companies, columns, and a general direction,
00:42with a chief, which is the one who has the personnel in Caquetá, Putumayo, Nariño, and Cauca.
00:54In the General Direction, there are five cabezas.
00:58There can be more.
01:01How many men have the commandos?
01:04The enough to fulfill our tasks and missions.
01:07Commandos and Lineas Formal.
01:09We are a political and military organization and we are not in the service of narcotráfico.
01:17We are not in the service of narcotráfico.
01:20We are fighting for the community, we help the communities, but we are not in the service of narcotráfico.
01:28We started the 23rd of November 2017.
01:33We entered the area of Putumayo, on the San Miguel River.
01:38We started our political and military project.
01:42We started in Putumayo and we started to grow the units.
01:45So, we started to grow the units, and we started to grow the units.
01:54We started to grow the units, and we started to grow the units, by Coquetá, Nariño, and Cauca.
02:02We have units in these departments.
02:05We are of the Second Marketplace and the alliance that we did in the year 2020.
02:11We are two brothers organizations that we identify in the political, economic and social.
02:23We are independent because we are in coordination with them in this whole topic.
02:28We maintain fluid communication and we are not independent.
02:34We are a single organization, Second Marketplace and Comandos de Frontera.
02:42Our organization is formed by the ex-combatients of the FARC
02:46and by the people who believe in our struggle in this political and military project.
02:51But not by the members of the Autodefensas Unidas of Colombia.
02:55What is the difference between the Frente Carolina Ramírez?
02:59Well, to us we are a lot of them.
03:01First of all, we don't recruit men of age.
03:05Because that is a right, that is a law of the least of humanity.
03:11And youth and youth, that is a right that is against us.
03:19That is what we are doing.
03:21In that point, we are very different.
03:23What is the recruitment of menors?
03:28Our organization does not have any menors.
03:31In other words, they do not have menors.
03:33Because the state, even the army,
03:36they have taken them, they have taken them,
03:39they have taken them, they have taken them,
03:39they have taken them to the Instituto Colombiano de Bienestar Familiar
03:42to give them to their families.
03:44Because a child of age is not the same,
03:46they have the knowledge that a adult person has.
03:49They are deceived.
03:50The other difference is that we do not pay taxes
03:55to the farmers, to the farmers, to the transportation companies,
04:00to anyone.
04:00We are different in those two aspects.
04:03We are different from them.
04:05Is it a little bit of a enemy?
04:09Because they have always been divided
04:10between those who signed the agreement
04:12and who signed the agreement,
04:14and those who from the beginning said
04:16we are not going to sign.
04:17Is it a little bit of a enemy
04:18that is a little bit of a enemy
04:21between the 2nd Marquitalia and the murderers?
04:23Yes, I would say that yes.
04:25Yes, but they also have prisoners of peace.
04:27They have prisoners of peace.
04:30So, they do not understand that.
04:33They say that they are a guerrilla
04:35who did not agree with the peace process,
04:37but if you look at them,
04:40they have combatants in their filth.
04:43They are prisoners.
04:44You refer to the police officer
04:46from the FBI, right?
04:48Yes, they sent 20 names,
04:52of which 11 are prisoners.
04:53They are prisoners.
04:54They are prisoners.
04:56They are prisoners.
04:56The FBI told them that they have 11 prisoners of peace
05:02with the accreditation of the Supreme Court.
05:05They are contradicting them.
05:06They are saying that they are a guerrilla
05:09who did not agree with the process.
05:11But we will see that they have 11 prisoners.
05:14Is it for understanding a bit?
05:17It is more than all by the territory.
05:21No by the route of anything.
05:22No, we do not have routes.
05:25It is for territory.
05:26Also, the commandos of the border
05:28have alliances with the public
05:31or that they are patrolmen together.
05:33Or that my enemy is my enemy.
05:36Do you have any kind of alliance with other different groups?
05:40No.
06:05No, no.
06:10or attack them indefensable. No, we don't.
06:12If at some point we find ourselves,
06:16it's logical that there will be a fight.
06:19Do you consider the public force as an enemy?
06:22We don't consider them enemies. Why?
06:25Because those people who form the military force and police force
06:30are children of peasants and peasants.
06:33In the same way, the army will provide an obligation service.
06:37And in the case of us, we are also children of peasants.
06:41And for that reason, we didn't attack us.
06:47Because for 53 years of struggle, who put the dead?
06:53The children of peasants and peasants were the same as the ones who were raised.
06:57And we didn't.
06:58You said you don't see the enemy of the public force because the origin of the soldiers
07:04are children of peasants and the dead of the war, the peasants have put them.
07:10But one could think of that in other groups.
07:12One could say, well, the Carolina Ramírez is also children of peasants.
07:15Why would they attack the Carolina Ramírez or why would they do it?
07:19Of course, they have children of peasants and peasants.
07:22We defend ourselves from the attacks of them.
07:27We defend our territory.
07:28As I said, Commandos de Frontera, we don't have laboratorios of processing of pasta base.
07:34The peasants have their pieces where they take the pasta and we just have them.
07:39We simply take the tax tax tax tax tax.
07:43The people who come to buy X, they take their product and process it on the other side.
07:47The commandos that are in all areas, they come and talk to the judge.
07:53And it's the one who pays, the one who comes to buy, the one who comes to buy, the one
07:59who comes to buy.
08:00And they buy and they go.
08:01What is the price of the peasants?
08:05That's the same thing.
08:07I mean, there, suddenly, if someone comes to buy very cheap, I don't know.
08:11No, that's enough.
08:13But it's not that because we put the price, we're going to say to the peasants,
08:17we have to give it because we put the price.
08:19No.
08:19They have manifested their desire to enter the total peace of the Petro's government.
08:24In fact, from December 31st, the 2nd March of Italy has been in a ceasefire bilateral.
08:29What other specific actions have made the commandos of the border to show their desire to negotiate in these months?
08:36The peace is one of our principles.
08:40And we are with all the will of peace.
08:44To create scenarios of peace.
08:47That leads us to a peace total.
08:53And the actions that we have been saying is from the beginning.
08:56As we were saying, we didn't attack the public force, we didn't kill, we didn't extortion,
09:06and we didn't attack the civil population.
09:10Those were our actions that, since we started, have been doing actions since we started,
09:16since we started, from November 17, 2017.
09:21There is a lot of people who oppose that the 2nd March of Italy enter into a negotiation.
09:27That is the discussion in the Congress right now.
09:29If they should have a second opportunity, because they say,
09:33well, this people already signed a peace agreement and decided to rearm themselves.
09:38In case of that they don't give them that recognition,
09:41would the commandos of the border accept a commitment to justice?
09:44No, we are not ready for a commitment to justice.
09:49I think we are an organization that we have, like I said,
09:55we have the right to have a second opportunity.
10:02As we are a political organization, we need a political negotiation.
10:09I think we are not willing to give a commitment to the commandos of the border
10:17and the 2nd March of Italy, which they have not even given yet.
10:24Well, those who are talking about Giovanni Entre Rojas, alias Araña,
10:28Freddy Pasinga Chapal, alias Lucho,
10:32Luis Andrés Figueroa, Marín, alias Popeye,
10:35Blainir Ballen Garzón, alias Matallana,
10:39Yaguma Olmos, Jason Yaguma Olmos,
10:42who would be a peace manager.
10:44And there were the ones who came to us there about 5 days,
10:49which is called Duvermenei Ortega-Guassialpú, alias Cirugía, and there will be others that in their moment pass the list.
10:58Walter Mendoza, Iván Ali y Yurlen Guerrero.
11:01Comandos de la Frontera, do you feel represented in those three voceros that are now with the 2nd hospital?
11:07Yes, of course, we are represented by them.
11:10In the same way, we will also have, as I explained, we will have a few voceros together with them.
11:17Yes, we are represented by the 2nd marketer.
11:21What conditions would you be able to leave the arms?
11:25I would think that the amnesty, excuse me, and the legal issue of all of us.
11:34I think that should be with gradually, with gradually.
11:39They did not do what they did, they gave them the arms and gave them those legal problems that they
11:45are now living.
11:47I would like to see the comrades who are arrested, others who are here in the organization with us.
11:52O sea, first of all, resolve the legal situation.
11:58And the arms, I think that would be like the last one.
12:00Comandos de la Frontera, would you be able to do a cese al fuego multilateral en el que esté el
12:05Carolina Ramírez?
12:07Claro, claro que estamos dispuestos, pero que haya una verificación internacional donde se limiten nuestros territorios, o sea, el territorio
12:16que nosotros tenemos.
12:19Ejemplo, el río Caquetá, del río Caquetá hacia acá, comandos de frontera.
12:26Ese sería, pero que haya verificación internacional para que no hagan esas confrontaciones y que se respete, ¿no?
12:34Si hay algo serio, entonces nosotros moveríamos, si eso se da en nuestro momento, moveríamos las compañías que tenemos hacia
12:44el Caquetá, las trasladaríamos hacia el Punto Mayo, pero que se respete, que ellos no nos agredan a nosotros.
12:51Estamos dispuestos.
12:53Como comandos de la frontera, ¿han pensado, han dialogado alguna propuesta que quieran hacer del gobierno petro para sentarse a
12:59negociar?
13:00En consenso con la segunda marquetalia, retomar los acuerdos de La Habana.
13:08Resolver la situación jurídica de prisioneros en cárceles nacionales y extranjeras.
13:17Ejemplo, Simón Trinidad, que en el acuerdo de La Habana, de él se olvidaron, del camarada se olvidaron, entonces es
13:23como,
13:25es decir, traigámoslo también para acá porque él hace parte de este problema, ¿sí me entiendes?
13:32Lo de los líderes sociales y lideresas que están prisioneros en las cárceles nacionales,
13:36que se les resuelva a ellos porque hay muchos líderes y que se les solucione a ellos esa situación jurídica.
13:43En un acuerdo que se diera la extradición de ningún compañero, de ningún compañero, la extradición de ningún compañero, también
13:53pediríamos eso.
13:54Desde la frontera de acercamientos ya con Danilo Rueda, ¿han podido hablar con el gobierno?
14:01No, no hemos tenido acercamientos, pero de paso los invitamos, los invitamos al alto comisionado para la paz que venga
14:09y se siente con nosotros a hablar con nosotros.
14:12Si esto se llega a resolver, comandos de frontera, o sea, si se llegan a resolver los cambios estructurales que
14:19hemos venido hablando,
14:21comandos de frontera dejarían de existir.
14:25Nos podríamos convertir en una guardia territorial campesina.
14:31En eso se podría convertir comandos de frontera.
14:34Y ahora quisiera hablar del operativo de Alto Román, que ya pronto se va a cumplir un año,
14:39del operativo militar en el que murieron 11 personas.
14:44De ese operativo hay una versión oficial que hasta hoy se mantiene,
14:48y es que supuestamente las 11 personas que fueron asesinadas eran combatientes de los comandos de la frontera,
14:55que estaban en un bazar.
14:57¿Cuál es la versión de los comandos de la frontera sobre ese operativo?
15:00Bueno, sobre esa situación, los 11 fallecidos no son comandos de frontera,
15:09o sea, tenemos un solo, un solo, que es comando de frontera,
15:14que iba pasando por ahí con unas unidades, que es el caso de Camarada Managua.
15:20Ahí está claro que el Ejército violó los derechos y atacó a una población civil indiscriminadamente,
15:29porque ahí murieron un menor de edad, de 14 años, gobernador,
15:36una mujer en embarazo, y ya lo que conocen los medios de comunicación y el país.
15:44El combatiente, como vuelvo y le digo, iba de paso, iba de paso.
15:49Cuando lanzan el Ejército, indiscriminadamente, porque se mira claramente que es un bazar,
15:55y hay niños, mujeres, ancianos, y hay hasta gente de otro país,
16:01porque es una frontera donde está Perú y Ecuador.
16:04Bazar cocalero no, porque las comunidades se reúnen y hacen sus actividades
16:11para recoger fondos, para arreglar sus placagüellas,
16:15para enfermos, para transporte de un motor o algo, no sé, para movilizarse ellos.
16:21Comandos de Frontera no hace esa clase de eventos.
16:25Eso es comunidad y eso estaba programado hace mucho tiempo atrás,
16:29que toda la gente conocía de ese evento.
16:34Es decir, la pasta base no se negocia en esos espacios.
16:38Nunca, nunca se hace eso, es imposible.
16:42¿Cómo van a hacer una fiesta y va a llegar todo el mundo?
16:44No, si es que eso es un evento que están haciendo las comunidades,
16:46para recoger fondos, por el mismo abandono del Estado.
16:50Se ayudan entre esas comunidades.
16:55No, porque nosotros respetamos sus juntas de acción comunal
17:02y programan sus eventos para eso.
17:04Nosotros no imponemos eso.
17:06O tienen que hacer una fiesta, o tienen que hacer eso.
17:17Alias Bruno hizo un mando medio de los comandos,
17:19pero estaba lejísimos, estaba a cientos de kilómetros.
17:26Él no se encontraba ahí.
17:27En su momento, el ejército sacó unas fotografías
17:32diciendo que tenían información de inteligencia
17:35de que él estaba ahí negociando la pasta base.
17:38¿Esas fotos son ciertas?
17:40Alias Bruno, comando de frontera, no compraba seco.
17:46Y esa foto que sale ahí, con el alto remanso, no es la misma.
17:52Y el día de la foto que dicen que lo vieron a él,
17:55iba pasando y le dio por meterse ahí y le tomó la foto.
17:58Pero él no compraba seco.
17:59No es su rol, porque él es un mando medio y él no compra eso.
18:03Entonces, esos ya son montajes del ejército que montó acá
18:06y puso allá donde pasó la situación que pasó,
18:09que era el mismo lugar, ¿no?
18:10Porque él se encontraba a cientos de kilómetros.
18:13Él no estaba ahí.
18:14¿Estaba en el momento de la muerte?
18:15Sí, con límites con el Caquetá.
18:17Y si vamos a ver de alto remanso al río Caquetá,
18:20donde se encontraba él, estaba muy lejos.
18:22¿Esto medio no tiene funciones para comprar barba?
18:24¿Cuál es la función de un mando medio?
18:27Hacer presencia en las áreas.
18:31O sea, él no es, él no compra base.
18:34¿Esto tiene que comprar barba?
18:36¿Esto compraba?
18:37No.
18:40Ellos no compran.
18:41Hay un encargado que es el que dice,
18:44bueno, esto vale lo que cobra y listo.
18:47Pero no es que el comando de frontera va y compra.
18:50Usted ayer me dijo que otro de los combatientes que estuvo en el bazar fue Daniel Paredes, ¿verdad?
19:00En su momento la defensoría del pueblo lo reportó a él como muerto en el operativo,
19:05pero después vieron que no, sino que estaba desaparecido.
19:08¿Quién es él?
19:09Él es un comando de frontera, Daniel es un comando de frontera,
19:11que está desaparecido hasta el momento.
19:13No sabemos qué pasó con él.
19:15Es posible que lo hayan enterrado o lo hayan tirado al río,
19:18pero él está desaparecido y era comando.
19:25No, no, no.
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