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00:167 matter 15, we're code 6 at the 9-1-1 call location.
00:20Any further contact from the distressed individual?
00:22Negative. Do you want me to start additional units?
00:24Uh, no. Give us a minute to scope it out first.
00:27You ready?
00:28Do I have a choice?
00:29That's a spirit.
00:38LAPD, we've received a distress call from this location. We are making entry.
00:46Oh, do you feel that?
00:53Feel what?
00:54Oh, something evil's in here.
00:56It sure smells like it.
01:06I can't die.
01:08It's inside of me.
01:10It won't let me die.
01:12It won't let me die.
01:14Elise, show yourself.
01:19I can't die. It's inside of me. It won't let me die.
01:22Don't touch that, all right? Just call this in. Call it in.
01:25I need an RA to my location for a stabbing victim.
01:27So I usually sit right next to the camera to keep the eye line tight.
01:30Then I'll just sit on the other side.
01:32No, because then you'll split his look.
01:34Oh, hey, hi. Thanks again for sitting down with me.
01:37Us?
01:38Us. What? Oh, right. Us. Why are you filming?
01:41Oh, I just wanted to document the new partnership. Abigail was very excited.
01:45It's not a partnership.
01:46It's totally a partnership. The judge was very clear.
01:48The judge?
01:49My name is Abigail Tierney. I'm currently trapped inside a secret lab at Westview Psychiatric.
01:54All attempts at escape have proven fruitless.
01:56I may have inadvertently used some of Abigail's footage in my last documentary without gaining the proper permissions.
02:02Translation. He stole my intellectual property. I sued, and the judge gave him a choice.
02:07Pay me 200,000 damages or give me equal partnership in his next project.
02:11He never said equal, but you know what? Never mind. Let's focus on the story that we're here to tell.
02:16Seat.
02:19Perhaps the most shocking case of murder and mayhem we've ever seen. Would you say that's a fair assessment?
02:25Um.
02:26No, no. Stay back. Stay back. Stay back. You don't understand.
02:28Okay, relax here, okay? We're trying to help you. Who stabbed you?
02:31I stabbed myself. It's inside of me. I've tried everything else. I can't kill it. I can't die. See?
02:40No, don't pull that. Don't pull it out.
02:41Oh, God.
02:45Now he died instantly. I mean, the wound was fatal.
02:49You can't stab yourself in the heart and survive.
02:51But the way the knife was lodged, he wasn't bleeding.
02:57Once he pulled it out...
02:58It was Blood Fountain City.
02:59Not exactly, but...
03:01As shocking as that was, it was far from the most shocking thing you found.
03:04Oh, we should get him to say that to set up the opening credits?
03:07That's not... We don't put words in people's mouths. It's a documentary.
03:13Yeah, it was, uh...
03:15It was straight up crazy.
03:17You don't think that there's a body in there?
03:21We have finally found it.
03:25Please don't kill us. We will join your cult.
03:28Oh, God.
03:29You arrived on scene as the sergeant's supervisor?
03:32Yes. I got there before the ambulance.
03:35Not that there was any aid they could have rendered.
03:37Is there a reason you didn't want us to interview you with Tim?
03:40What?
03:41No.
03:42We're just...
03:43I'm just shaking it up.
03:44Let's stay focused.
03:46Were you the first to recognize the victim?
03:48Uh, sort of.
03:50I thought I knew his face, but it wasn't until we ran his prints that we got a name.
03:54Rich Riley was retired LAPD.
03:57He had been with the department for 30 years and was a little bit of a legend.
04:00Mostly because he made a series of training videos from the mid-90s till his retirement in 2015.
04:07Which, by modern standards, are a little cringe.
04:11Hey, everybody. Rich Rowley here with another installment of...
04:17Now, today, we're going to be talking about proper cuffing technique.
04:22Excuse me, officer?
04:23I hurt my shoulder at the gym.
04:26Would you mind cuffing me in front?
04:29Pretty lady like you.
04:32What's the worst that could happen?
04:37You're welcome.
04:41Rich was a trip.
04:43The life of the party, at least early in his career.
04:46Then, as the years went on, he became a little, uh, crazy.
04:51Crazy how?
04:52He was deep into conspiracy theories.
04:54He, uh, had a real thing for cults and cabals.
04:58To be fair, Los Angeles does have a pretty dark history.
05:01But Rich took it to the next level.
05:03And his training videos got more and more intense because of it.
05:06We finally got around to updating the videos this last year.
05:08But that caused quite a controversy with some of the older officers.
05:12They said we were being insensitive.
05:14Why would updating training videos be insensitive?
05:17Even three years on, a lot of his friends were still mourning his death and saw the videos as a
05:22way to keep his memory alive.
05:23I'm sorry.
05:24I thought Rich died six months ago.
05:26Yeah.
05:26He did.
05:27I'm talking about the first time.
05:29Divers are searching for any signs of retired Los Angeles police officer Richard Rowley after a sailing trip gone wrong.
05:37Coast Guard responded to a distress call this morning from Raleigh's wife, who says the 55-year-old fell overboard
05:44after the sailboat he was captaining was struck by a rogue wave.
05:49Any time someone disappears from a boating trip, it automatically sets off alarm bells.
05:53Why is that?
05:54It's just an ideal place to cover up crime, throw a body overboard, weigh it down.
05:58The likelihood of us recovering it before it becomes fish food is low.
06:02And the circumstances were suspicious.
06:04By all accounts, Rich was a skilled sailor.
06:07It was a calm day, and the only witness to his demise was Darla Phillips, his on-again, off-again
06:12girlfriend who he married five days prior.
06:15So you suspected foul play?
06:19Not necessarily, but we couldn't rule it out.
06:21Why wasn't Rich wearing a life vest?
06:23He never did.
06:24He was a strong swimmer.
06:26He must have hit his head when he fell.
06:29Why didn't you jump in after him?
06:30I'm scared of dark water.
06:32Dark water?
06:33Water you can't see the bottom of.
06:35Just blackness.
06:37With condoms what lurking below.
06:40You stand to inherit Rich's entire police pension.
06:42That's quite a bit of money.
06:44How dare you?
06:45I just watched the love of my life die in front of me.
06:50We don't know that for sure yet.
06:52They haven't found his body.
06:54Unless you know more that you're not telling us.
06:58Go to hell!
07:00This interview was over.
07:01Did it ever occur to you that Rich might still be alive?
07:04As we said, we couldn't rule anything out, but there was no evidence that he'd faked his death.
07:09Until he turned up dead again.
07:11Needless to say, we had a few more questions for Darla.
07:14Helping someone fake their death isn't a crime.
07:16I checked.
07:17You're right, but profiting off of that death, collecting Rich's pension and his life insurance, it's fraud.
07:23Not to mention the resources that were wasted trying to recover his body.
07:27He could be facing some serious charges.
07:28So, tell us, why did Rich want to fake his death?
07:35After Rich retired, he kind of fell apart.
07:39His drinking got worse and his paranoia, he was always a little intense, but it started to get scary.
07:47He covered all his windows with newspapers.
07:51He started writing down the license plates of passing cars.
07:55What was he so afraid of?
07:56He said there was this group.
07:59Like a secret society of dangerous and powerful people.
08:04He'd been onto them for years, but he said that they found out about him.
08:08That he was in danger because of it.
08:10It was too much for me, so I broke up with him.
08:13And then a year later, he showed up on my doorstep and asked me to help him fake his death.
08:20In return for his pension.
08:23I needed the money.
08:24So, we got married and we did the deed.
08:27And I never saw him again.
08:29So, you have no idea why there was a coffin in his garage?
08:33We'll probably hold this piece of the puzzle until the end of the first act.
08:37You know, hit the audience with a twist when it's dramatically expedient.
08:40Seems manipulative.
08:41All good storytelling is.
08:42Just tell us about finding the coffin.
08:45Uh, so, once I arrived and we secured the crime scene, we cleared the rest of the house and then
08:50we moved on to the garage.
08:56Oh.
08:57Oh.
08:58You don't think there's...
08:59That there's a body in there?
09:00I absolutely do.
09:02Okay, are we going to open it?
09:03Because I don't want to open it.
09:06What do you think?
09:06I mean, it's clearly been dug up.
09:09Given the state of the coffin, it's clearly been underground for a few years.
09:13If there is a body in there, it's likely long dead.
09:17Unless...
09:17Unless what?
09:19Unless he put a fresh victim in an old coffin.
09:25Oh, okay.
09:26Got it.
09:27Yeah.
09:27Oh.
09:29Oh, God.
09:34The body belonged to a 54-year-old truck driver named Marcus Ford, who was the victim of an
09:40unsolved homicide back in 2020.
09:42How was he killed?
09:43Uh, he was stabbed in the heart.
09:45Just like Rich.
09:47Wait.
09:48Rich murdered Marcus Ford.
09:50Did I just solve the case?
09:51Uh, no.
09:52We were able to alibi Rich out.
09:56He was hospitalized with double pneumonia the day Marcus died.
09:58Medical records say he was so weak that he could barely get out of bed.
10:02Or, that's what he wanted you to think.
10:04Moving on.
10:05Digging up a body is no easy task.
10:07Why would Rich go to all that trouble?
10:08Initially, we thought it was simply the demented act of a clearly disturbed mind.
10:14And in some ways, it was.
10:16But then, we found the tattoo.
10:18At first, it was a little bit difficult to make out exactly what it was.
10:22A half a decade of decomp does a number on the skin.
10:25But, when we look back at the case file, there was a photo of it taken during the original autopsy.
10:30That's actually kind of sick.
10:31I wonder if there's a way to track down the artist.
10:34I've been meaning to start the sleeve on my other arm.
10:36Like, uh.
10:37To my collaborator's point, lots of people have tattoos.
10:40What was it about this one that jumped out at you?
10:43Well, something about it was familiar to both of us.
10:46But we couldn't place it.
10:48So, we started asking around.
10:50And the answer couldn't come from a more unlikely place.
10:54I watched the Rich Rally training videos more than any person alive.
10:58So, I recognized the symbol immediately.
11:02Sometimes, citizens panic when they can't get in touch with their friends or loved ones.
11:07That is why we always advise the public to wait 24 hours before reporting someone missing.
11:13Well, most missing person reports stem from a lapse in communication.
11:16Every once in a while, you'll encounter a true, workable case.
11:21Officer, help! My sister is missing!
11:24When's the last time you saw her?
11:25Last night at the bar.
11:26Her boyfriend said she never made it home.
11:29You always want to take a report like this one?
11:32Seriously.
11:33So, Rich hid the same symbol in his training videos that was tattooed on the body of a murder victim.
11:38What did you think that meant?
11:40Uh, I don't know.
11:42I can't believe I'm saying this, but Smitty was right.
11:44In lesson 187, the tattoo symbol was hidden in the background.
11:48Although, the instructions to wait 24 hours before reporting a missing person are wildly outdated.
11:54Anyways, it got me thinking.
11:56What if Rich put messages in other videos?
11:59What kind of messages?
12:00I'm not totally sure yet.
12:02I binged every single Rich training video I could get my hands on.
12:05Yeah, it's been a fun few nights.
12:06And I did find a few other possible leads, but there's a problem.
12:09The department's archive is incomplete, and without all of the videos,
12:12I can't be sure that I'm not missing a vital piece of information.
12:15So, what happened to the missing videos?
12:17So, when the training topics in the videos become outdated because of new laws or protocols,
12:22the department has to make new ones.
12:24And the obsolete videos are supposed to be digitized and archived for historical record.
12:29But Rich is... were just gone.
12:32Gone as then destroyed?
12:34Like a cover-up?
12:35No one's saying that.
12:37Most likely it was a human error.
12:38You know, someone got lazy, didn't archive them.
12:41I tried reaching out to the production company that made the videos to see if they had any copies left.
12:46But bad news is, they went out of business a few years back and auctioned off all their equipment.
12:52What's the good news?
12:53Well, I managed to track down the auction logs, and I actually know the person who purchased the studio's old
13:00hard drives.
13:00Careful, I'm very ticklish. Like the Pillsbury Doughboy.
13:04Same.
13:05I hear it's, um, a sign of intelligence.
13:07Is that a fact?
13:09Then I am smart as the dickens.
13:11So, you purchased hard drives from Speak Now Studios?
13:14Yeah, Dropout was still in its infancy.
13:17I was building the company from the ground up.
13:19We had to be smart about how we were spending our money.
13:21We bought a huge amount of equipment secondhand.
13:24Hard drives, cameras, wigs.
13:26Wait, wait.
13:27You bought secondhand wigs?
13:29Give them a little shake before we put them on.
13:31That's awesome.
13:31Do you still have that wig connect?
13:33Because I'd love a referral.
13:34My guy is...
13:36Back on track.
13:37Uh, the hard drives you bought contain police training videos.
13:40Did you happen to watch any of them?
13:41Of course.
13:42Rich Rowley, right?
13:44We were obsessed with those videos.
13:45We probably watched them like a dozen times.
13:48I'm Rich Rowley, and this is Survive the Streets.
13:52That's great.
13:52Vic can do the best impression.
13:54Do you think you'd be able to make copies for us?
13:57I totally would, but I can't because we wiped all of those hard drives to use as servers months ago.
14:03Sorry, I couldn't be a more help.
14:05You'll still feature this interview, right?
14:08Yeah, probably not.
14:10Wait, you said you and the dropout crew watched the video like dozens of times, right?
14:14Yes, sometimes on an edible.
14:16Mostly sober.
14:17I have an idea.
14:18Okay, so then he'd be like,
14:19Don't forget to check the closet, you'll die.
14:21So, I don't know.
14:22I think it's a little bit more like,
14:23If you forget to check the closet, Freddie, Jason, and Chucky will rip off your scrum.
14:28Okay, I think there's less foot stuff.
14:30I feel like he's like,
14:31And then your crazy met the ex-girlfriend who's been hiding in the hallway closet will chainsaw your face when
14:37you get home because you forgot to clear the room.
14:39Clear the room!
14:40Check the room!
14:41I think he was so close to pulling out a gun.
14:43I'm rich!
14:43What are you guys doing?
14:44That's a great question.
14:45They're reenacting the police training videos since you guys wiped them off your hard drive.
14:48Oh, the Rich Rowley ones!
14:50Those are so funny.
14:51I actually stole one of the hard drives so I can watch it when I'm in the tub.
14:54Can you talk about your time, man?
14:55A little self-care, you know.
14:57Trying to relax a little more.
14:58It's not working.
14:59Can we have it?
15:00If you want to borrow it, I could, you know.
15:02No, I think this is actually working great.
15:04Okay.
15:05You can keep this up.
15:06Clearing the room!
15:07Help us.
15:08Okay, I finally finished watching all of the Rich training videos and there is a lot.
15:12Um, take lesson 277.
15:19My Azaleas!
15:20A cold case where victim Azalea Robinson was found stabbed near a ski resort.
15:26You're kidding.
15:27No.
15:27And in lesson 290, Rich is holding a folder with a post-it note on the back with a brown
15:32star drawn on it.
15:33I'm lost.
15:34Right.
15:34So, I looked up the cold cases to see if there were any victims with names like Star or Stella,
15:40and there was one hit, Stella Brown, also found stabbed in the chest.
15:45In all, Lucy found clues pointing to seven different cold cases.
15:50But why was Rich hiding the names of murder victims in police training videos?
15:53Based on what we could piece together, he believed he had stumbled upon a conspiracy,
15:57a series of connected murders committed by person or persons unknown.
16:01If that were the case, why not just report his suspicion?
16:03He was a cop for 30 years.
16:05Well, Rich had a bit of a reputation within the department for, shall we say, magical thinking.
16:12So, unfortunately, his theory was dismissed out of hand.
16:16But why did he think the murders were connected?
16:18Well, for starters, they were all stabbed in the chest.
16:20But more importantly, each victim was found with a penny either in or on their person.
16:25What do you mean in?
16:26One had a penny in her stomach.
16:28Another had one shoved up his nose.
16:30Stella Brown looked out.
16:32Hers was just clasped in her hand.
16:33And when we reexamined Marcus Ford's corpse, the Emmy found one inserted into the heel of his left foot.
16:40Why?
16:41Did we mention that they were all minted in 1930?
16:44Okay.
16:44Well, I just got goosebumps.
16:46Rich's autopsy also revealed that he had swallowed close to 50 pennies before he died.
16:50Gross.
16:51So, at this point, was your theory...
16:53I actually have no idea what the theory would have been.
16:55Yeah, well, I would tell you, but we were way off the mark.
16:58Which we were about to discover when we got access to his cloud account.
17:03Okay.
17:05We may have finally found it.
17:07I am so close to getting some real answers.
17:13See that?
17:25Oh, my God.
17:29Oh, my God.
17:33Oh, my God.
17:35No!
17:35No!
17:37No!
17:38No!
17:38No!
17:39The guy pretending to be dead breaking into a secure military facility doesn't seem like the best idea.
17:45No, he wasn't just breaking into any military facility.
17:49It was Area 67.
17:50What does that mean?
17:51That's where the government keeps the aliens.
18:19That's where the government keeps the aliens.
18:21That's where the government keeps the aliens behind him.
18:22Were you familiar with Area 67?
18:25I'd heard of it.
18:26Yeah.
18:26There's this AM radio station I used to listen to back in Foxburg.
18:30Kept me awake when I was working late.
18:32The host was obsessed with UFOs.
18:35Val's Velvet Bunker?
18:36That's the one.
18:37He was a little bit out there, but always entertaining.
18:41Area 51 is theater.
18:44Do you believe, do you really believe the most secretive military installation in the world would let itself become a
18:52tourist attraction?
18:53No, no, no, no.
18:54Area 51 is the distraction.
18:57Area 67 is the real deal.
19:00You know why California has all those earthquakes?
19:02It's not San Andreas fault, my friends.
19:05It's the sonic resonance from Area 67 underground testing chambers.
19:11Did you believe in his theories?
19:12No, no.
19:14Like I said, just entertainment.
19:16Let's hear from a caller.
19:17Hi, name's John.
19:18Long time listener, fourth time caller.
19:20Hey, John from Foxburg.
19:21Welcome back.
19:22What have you got for us tonight?
19:23I swear to God, I just saw a UFO.
19:28John is such a common name.
19:31I'm open to the possibility of extraterrestrial life.
19:34You are.
19:35Yeah.
19:35I mean, it's a big universe.
19:37Anything could be out there.
19:38I don't know.
19:39People who claim to have seen aliens tend to be a little off.
19:42You were friends with a corpse, right?
19:43Well, yeah, we were more than friends, but fair enough.
19:46Okay.
19:47Legally, is it necrophilia if she only did over the clothes stuff?
19:50That's a great question.
19:51Oh, I definitely believe.
19:53In fact, I've been abducted by aliens.
19:57Really?
19:58Multiple times.
19:59Apparently, I'm a fascinating subject.
20:03I remember the last time Smitty was abducted.
20:06Turns out he partied too hard in Vegas and woke up in Wisconsin.
20:09Missing time.
20:11One of the hallmarks of alien abductions had been stricken.
20:15Point is, the government had little gray men in their secret labs for decades.
20:21What are they doing with them?
20:23They're implanting the aliens in unsuspecting hosts and taking over their bodies.
20:27You just never know who might be one of them.
20:32Some people in the station believed Rich stabbed himself to kill an alien parasite.
20:37But I wouldn't say that was a dominant theory.
20:41It wasn't long before we figured out Rich believed something darker.
20:44And it was connected to the seven murders.
20:47Then why did Rich break into the army base?
20:49Yes, I remember the incident. Rich Rowley cut through a fence.
20:53He trespassed on government property.
20:55He was promptly apprehended and sent on his way.
20:58Do you have any idea what Rich was looking for?
21:00As it turns out, he was looking for me.
21:03But not because of any alleged aliens.
21:06So, why did he come?
21:10This part is a little bit embarrassing.
21:14Before I found my calling in the military, I thought that I wanted to be an actor.
21:19And I was in a few DTV movies.
21:23What's DTV?
21:24You're so young.
21:25Direct to video.
21:26They made all these super cheap movies back in the 80s and 90s.
21:30You make them as cheaply as possible and then hope that someone was drawn in enough by the cover art
21:35to rent them.
21:37A guy can't have a side gig?
21:38Totally. How did you get into acting?
21:40Some director scouted me when I pulled him over.
21:43He said I had a bitchin' bod.
21:46Well, he wasn't wrong.
21:47But I gave it up.
21:49Because the people of this city needed a savior.
21:53Yeah, you are the model of public service.
21:55Right?
21:56Anyway, Rich became interested in this terrible B-movie that I was in.
22:02I played a monk.
22:03It was called 300 Days of Hell.
22:09Terrible B-movie?
22:10That's what he called it?
22:11300 Days of Hell is the scariest film of the 1990s.
22:15Really?
22:15The Ring, Scream, Blair Witch Project?
22:17Which one of us executive produced a horror movie?
22:19Trust me.
22:21THDOH is true nightmare fuel.
22:23It's not that scary.
22:25She made me watch at the beginning of our relationship.
22:28When he was still trying to impress me.
22:31You want to watch it again tonight?
22:33I would.
22:35Totally.
22:36I do have plans, though.
22:39Yeah, I'm not watching that crap.
22:41Even if it is for a case.
22:42I see enough horror on the job.
22:45That being said, 300 Days of Hell was our first real window into the rabbit hole that Rich had gone
22:51down.
22:51A rabbit hole filled with demons.
22:53Or rather, a demon.
22:55So Rich believed a demon had killed all those people?
22:57No, the killers were definitely human.
22:59Killers, plural.
23:00Yeah, there was different trace DNA on all the bodies.
23:03All from different subjects.
23:04And none of them were in the system.
23:07Meaning?
23:07The murders were committed by a group of people with shared beliefs.
23:11A murder cult.
23:12The cult believed a demon named Malefus had been possessing people all across the city.
23:17Jumping from host to host.
23:18And it was up to them to stop it.
23:26The legend of Malefus is centuries old.
23:29The first mention we see of him is 1433's Lesser Grimoire of Solomon by Slovenian Inquisitor Terentius Bruma.
23:38A reference text of demons and their attributes.
23:42Gnarly.
23:43Right?
23:44He's also known as the deceiver, the infestor, and demon of 300 days.
23:50Why?
23:50Once summoned to Earth, Malefus won't rest until he finds a human host.
23:54After possession begins, he incubates.
23:58300 days.
23:59What happens after 300 days?
24:01He reaches full strength and his power becomes uncontainable.
24:06Uh-oh.
24:08Um, if Malefus was summoned to Earth, how would one stop him?
24:12Bruma suggests killing the host might slow Malefus down.
24:16Forcing him to regenerate before he can find a new host.
24:20A process that also can be slowed by the use of copper.
24:25It was the pennies.
24:26The pennies.
24:27It all came back to the pennies.
24:29Before 1984, US pennies were 95% copper.
24:33So the copper in the pennies was meant to bind the demon, but what about the 1930 part?
24:37Are you familiar with numerology?
24:41Some ancient peoples, and Taylor Swift, believed there was a mystical connection between letters and numbers.
24:49Using the Chaldean method, the name Malefus becomes a digit 1930.
24:54So you're saying...
24:55We had a theory.
24:56Whoever killed those people believed the victims were possessed by Malefus.
25:01They had to reach Malefus's host before he reached his true form.
25:06A 1930 penny was the perfect tool.
25:08Yeah.
25:09Rich's talk of, it's inside me, it won't let me die.
25:12He thought he was infested by this demon too, and that's why he killed himself.
25:16Wait.
25:17I thought Rich didn't believe in Malefus.
25:19Isn't that why he was trying to stop the cult?
25:20Well, yes, but I mean, years of obsession and paranoia can do a number on a person's psyche.
25:25I mean, it seems as though in the end, Rich could no longer distinguish fantasy from reality.
25:30And you got this theory from Rich's files?
25:31Well, I mean, we actually got it from Elvis.
25:34And they say, watching old horror movies isn't a good use of time.
25:38I never said that.
25:48Are we safe, brother?
25:50Is Malefus banished?
25:52His sigil is drawn.
25:54The right is spoken.
25:56We have sealed his last human vessel with copper.
26:06Heav'n forgive us.
26:08Indeed.
26:10For hell will not.
26:13Midnight.
26:15The 300th day.
26:18Our task was done none too soon.
26:46Oh, yeah, that was me.
26:51Do you guys want a glass?
26:53You got anything stronger?
26:56Fine, I'll just take a glass.
26:59Okay, I'll just, I'll have nothing actually.
27:01no fun for me. Yeah, that was my first big movie role. Well, my only one, really. Rich
27:10was so excited when I told him I booked it. He helped me run lines. Did Rich buy into
27:15the Malifus mythology? No. Weirdly, given all the conspiracies that Rich believed in,
27:20he was a total atheist. But I wouldn't have blamed him after everything that happened
27:26on that shoot. Like what? Before production wrapped, the DP was paralyzed driving to
27:33set. A stunt person had his leg amputated. There were divorces, bankruptcies, careers
27:38ended. One of the actors even died in his hotel room. People say the production was
27:45cursed. What about you? What do you believe? I believe the real curse was the
27:50director. He was a reckless maniac that didn't know how to run a set.
27:56Cuts! Cuts! Arthur! Arthur! Your strangulation, it has to be real. I want to feel a life
28:05draining from him. You, you, you cannot move from your position, not even an inch. Guys,
28:12this ritual is extremely specific. Okay? Let's go again. Okay. I thought I was choking you
28:20pretty well. I'm sorry. Okay? I'm going to choke you a little hard. Ready? Douglas was real
28:23touchy about the religious stuff. I guess he had grown up in some sort of commune. And
28:28this was all based on stories he was told growing up. Okay, but what I heard is that
28:33they accidentally summoned Malifus for real. The director found some ancient tome and inserted
28:38the incantation and rituals verbatim. Ooh, I love that. And that's what got me thinking
28:43about the penny killings. We found the first victim just a little under 300 days after the
28:48summoning ritual was filmed. We knew Rich was aware of the Malifus legends. It was
28:52only natural to link them. So Rich thought that penny victims were killed by people trying
28:57to stop Malifus. Was he able to identify any of these killers? We know he tried.
29:03Hi. Hey, how are you? Jared. Hello. Um, it's a, it's a pleasure to meet you, gentlemen. Pleasure
29:10to meet you, too. Why don't you tell us about yourselves? Yeah, we, uh, co-starred on a TV
29:16show together for 15 seasons, uh, called Supernatural. Yeah, we played Sam and Dean Winchester, brothers
29:24that, uh, you know, tracked and fought supernatural beings. Like K-pop demon hunters. No, no, not
29:32like that. Well, I mean, kind of like that. Okay. Can you tell us about your encounter with
29:38Rich Rowley? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rich Rowley. He came to a fan event we did last year, um, at
29:45MonsterCon. Yeah, you know, those people show up and they just want, uh, the autograph for a photo.
29:50Uh, but Rich was sort of a different beast altogether. Yeah, yeah. He was, he was super
29:57fixated on this one particular episode where we fought a demon. Malifus. Yeah, uh, that
30:04one. Anyway, he seemed to think we, like, knew more about it than we were saying. More
30:10about what? Demon hunting. He kept, like, asking these super pointed questions like, like he
30:17was, uh, testing us or something. Did you have an answer? No. No, I mean, we didn't,
30:22we didn't come up with these stories, you know, we just did what the writers wrote. It's called
30:27acting. There's no actual demon hunters in real life. Exactly. Uh, that's not exactly
30:33true. There is at least one. And it actually connected to the movie. We heard the director
30:40brought a priest named Father Simon McCabe to bless the set every day before filming. Well,
30:44it was either that or the whole crew was going to walk. Does that name mean anything
30:48to you? About 15 years ago, Lopez and I had just finished our rookie years. We responded
30:55to, uh, call it a house of, uh, priests doing an exorcism with a 16-year-old girl. It'd
30:59been going on for three days. Police! Help her! Please! Please! Please! Please! Get away
31:16from her! Father, forgive me.
31:27Did you feel like you'd seen the devil? The only thing in that room that belonged in hell
31:31was Father Simon. He kept saying he had to. The whole way to the station. I'm sorry I had
31:36to. I'm sorry I had to. Because he believed she was possessed. She had a brain tumor. That's
31:42what they found after the autopsy. She needed a doctor, not an exorcism. And he wasn't a
31:47man of God. He was a killer. The courts agreed. So Father Simon was convicted of first degree
31:52murder. When we processed him, we found a penny in his pocket. Nothing else, just a penny.
31:57Didn't mean anything at the time, but after Rich connected those seven murders, it seemed
32:01likely he was involved. Involved? Like he killed them? No, Simon was already in prison when five
32:07of the murders took place. And his DNA didn't match any that was found on the corpses. But
32:11he could have been part of whatever group Rich was so afraid of. Which means he knew more than he
32:16had
32:17told us, so we had to go back. Officers, I remember you. You were the ones who tried to stop
32:24the ritual.
32:25I just wish we would have gotten here sooner. Becca Scott might still be alive. Oh, she was long gone
32:29before you arrived. The demon saw to bat. Malifus? Shh. Do not say its name in my presence.
32:36Boy, are you afraid we may accidentally summon it? You may scorn me and my beliefs, but I have fought
32:43this
32:43evil. I know enough to fear its power. What's more evil than murdering a child? I took no pleasure
32:50in the act. I'm grateful I had the courage to do what was necessary. Courage? Tell us about the
32:55penny that was in your pocket. In the movie 300 Days of Hell, Malifus is sealed inside his host with
33:01copper before he can be killed. Banished, not killed. What's the difference? The demon is a parasite.
33:10It needs a host. Once you kill the body that inhabits it, find a new one.
33:15Becca Scott was just a single battle in a larger war. If you're in here, who's doing the fighting now?
33:23The Knights of Avila. Los Angeles has a long history of spiritualism,
33:29esoteric religions that go back over a hundred years. So think Aleister Crowley, Jack Parsons,
33:34L. Ron Hubbard. He freaking loves this stuff. I do. Anyway, a lot of these groups started out as
33:40fraternal orders, similar to the Freemasons, where people would gather and share. Men? Well, yeah,
33:46yes, and some women, and they would share new ideas, explore philosophies. They also liked partying,
33:54doing drugs, and performing weird sex rituals. Sign me up. For the intellectual exchanging of ideas,
34:02obviously. So the Knights of Avila is one of these groups? It was. Like a lot of the similar
34:07organizations at the time, it fell apart when the founder died. It hasn't been active in 60 years?
34:12Then what was Father Simon talking about? Based on Tim and Lopez's conversation with Father Simon,
34:17we began to believe that the group, or at least the name, had been revived sometime in the late 90s
34:24to
34:24the early 2000s and rebranded as some kind of demon hunting cult. So Rich was actually right. There
34:33was a murderous cabal after him. It seemed that way, and we were getting close to discovering who
34:39their ringleader was. I found him. Found who? Doug Roberts. I want to feel a live training from him. Oh,
34:47you mean the
34:48director of the sad little demon porn? Where? I was going through some old industry trades from around the time
34:53THDOH was slated to come out. One of the articles mentioned that Roberts was a client of Stuart
34:58Wynecliffe at the Golden Talent Agency. The guy hasn't made a movie in 26 years. I doubt they still
35:02read him. Not actively, no, but I called their offices, and I bribed her, like, I talked one of
35:08the assistants into giving me the address where his residual checks are sent. It's downtown. Let's go.
35:12Uh, hold on. You just want to go doorstep the guy? If that means go knock on a door while
35:16also
35:17filming, then yes. Yeah, I'm not in the business of gotcha journalism. What about the business of
35:22making that paper? The guap? Money, guy. Come on. The doc business is oversaturated these days.
35:29We need footage that P.O.P.'s. And what pops more than blindsiding a potential cult later?
35:35Come on. What's the worst that could happen? This is it. Okay. Um, here, here's your camera.
35:44Um, I don't operate. Oh. Okay. Now, you do. Let's go. What floor is it on? Eight. But, uh, there's
35:59an elevator. Don't worry.
36:06Are you sure it's that way? Yep. Nope. You know, at the risk of being called a scaredy cat,
36:14you do understand that this is inherently neither a wise nor safe activity?
36:19You're asking a woman if she understands that it's inherently dangerous to go anywhere or do anything?
36:25When you put it that way, I sound like an ass.
36:31Maybe we should come back?
36:34Hey, hello, Douglas Roberts. We're here to question you about murders and demons.
36:39That should get his attention.
36:43Oh! I am just an intern.
36:48So, clearly we're not deceased, which means?
36:51We saved you from certain deaths?
36:53I'm not sure how certain it was, right?
36:55Oh, it felt pretty certain to me.
36:56Please don't kill us. We will join your cult. Is there a membership fee or a secret handshake?
37:01I love a secret handshake.
37:02Ignore her. She's not right in the head. In fact, she has short-term memory issues,
37:05so if you let her go now, she won't remember any of this.
37:07Just shut up. No one's going anywhere.
37:09I mean, technically, we're all going somewhere.
37:15All right, let him go. Get your hands up.
37:18Up against the jeep now. Let's go.
37:26Oh, God.
37:27Hey.
37:28Thanks for trying to save me, even though I'm the one who put us in danger.
37:32No problem.
37:34I was about to do the same thing, but you just beat me to it.
37:38I can be noble, too.
37:39No doubt.
37:40Yeah.
37:41I get very claustrophobic. Can I just point out how claustrophobic I get, please?
37:44So, when did you and Douglas meet?
37:47The movie. He was, you know, so commanding and driven and everything I wasn't.
37:53When did he start talking about killing the demon?
37:55It was at least a year after that. He would call me late at night and talk about the demon
38:02and how scared he was for the world, and eventually it started to make sense.
38:07And he told you that someone was possessed?
38:10Correct. Her name was Cynthia.
38:14She cried when I tied her up, and she kept saying that she was not a demon.
38:18She begged me to believe her, and at that point, he was very deep in my head.
38:29And then tonight, you know, all the lies he was spewing at the end, it was like somebody turned on
38:34the light switch.
38:34I could just see him for who he was. So pathetic.
38:42We'll need you to write up a detailed confession.
38:49I would like to make a deal.
38:53We have already located your co-conspirators. You don't really have anything to offer.
38:59You don't want to know what an alien spaceship looks like?
39:03I am all that stands between the world and damnation.
39:08So all of the people that you had targeted, they had to die for the greater good?
39:14Yes. And my heart breaks for each of them. But I will not let innocence fall to perdition.
39:21Okay. Have you had your fill of BS?
39:24God, yes.
39:25Okay, me too. So, uh, first victim.
39:29Cynthia Green, you dated for two years before she cheated on you. Marcus Ford, he worked as a
39:34teamster on your movie, then later sued you for non-payment. Pamela Jones wrote a scathing
39:40review of your movie. Really? I had no idea.
39:44All seven victims were people who wronged you in some way. You don't even believe in the demon. You just
39:50used it as a tool to get people with weak minds to do your dirty work for you.
39:58Exactly. I was the director. I think you'll find I never laid a finger on any of the victims.
40:04And I think you will find that Manson died in prison.
40:10All right. Uh, anything else?
40:13No, I think we got everything.
40:15Okay. That was a crazy one, huh?
40:18Tell me about it. And look, thanks so much for all of your time and for saving our lives.
40:23Sure. Anything from my favorite documentarian? Actually, the only documentarian I know.
40:26Not true. I'm a documentarian, too. Of course, yes. Oh, speaking of,
40:31how did this whole, uh, working together thing go? Is this the start of a beautiful friendship?
40:36I don't know. I mean, we have very different styles and instincts and, well, basically everything,
40:42but I'd be able to do it on a collaboration.
40:47Oh, um, it's just I, uh, I kind of signed an exclusive three-film deal with Hulu.
40:53What?
40:54Yeah. I, um, I sent them a sizzle reel of this project. Just the me parts.
40:58And, uh, they freaked. Said I'm going to be the new face of true crime. Their words.
41:02Wow. I mean, you'd probably be able to bring him along, though, right?
41:07Oh, totally. Totally.
41:11I gotta go. But, uh, thanks again. Hello? No, I said Toronto and then camp.
41:19She'll probably call you.
41:21Okay.
41:47Okay, go.
41:59Game it.
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