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00:01This time on Moonshiners.
00:03Hey, guys.
00:04We've had several complaints on you all.
00:06All I know is he said the calls were coming in
00:08from a landline phone at a motel in Newport, Tennessee.
00:14A rat, especially an anonymous rat,
00:18there's no bigger chicken .
00:19Nothing in the world than that.
00:21There he is pulling in.
00:23Yeah, there he comes. Look at that.
00:24Son of a bitch.
00:26Let's work together.
00:27I got a buyer wants 1,000 gallons
00:29paying top dollar.
00:30You know, these guys, I mean, they come in,
00:32they burn their mustache house, right?
00:33They run us out of the state.
00:35Well, in order for me to get back at them,
00:37I got to kind of, you know, bait these guys.
00:39I can't stand to be around you.
00:41I know. I know.
00:42Just play the game, man.
00:43All right, I'm trying, man.
00:44Play the game.
00:46This is how we make the moonshine.
00:59Who the hell is this?
01:01Who the hell is this?
01:03What are you doing here?
01:04What's up, man?
01:06How are you?
01:06Pretty good, man.
01:07I ain't here to tell you you today.
01:09Thank goodness, because you laid it to me last time.
01:11I know it.
01:13In Polk County, North Carolina,
01:16after barely escaping a law enforcement raid
01:19on his illegal still site.
01:21They just took part of the still out.
01:24Josh gets a visit from a retired police officer
01:27and friend bringing inside information.
01:30Talking to your uncle the other day,
01:31and he said you bought a sawmill,
01:33and I was going to see if he was interested
01:34in cutting some trailer decking boards for me.
01:36Bring me some wood.
01:37I can cut it.
01:38I've known Trenton my whole life,
01:40but Trenton was the law.
01:42A couple years ago, Trent actually tased me.
01:44Stop policing! Stop policing!
01:47He's retired from the police department,
01:49and he's got a land management company,
01:52an excavating business, a tree business.
01:54He does it all.
01:55You still making that liquor?
01:57Uh-uh.
01:58Yeah, I don't know.
02:00Huh?
02:00Huh?
02:01He was on a job the other day.
02:03He called me and needed to take a still down.
02:06I got to thinking where we was at.
02:07I said, this is all close to Josh's folks.
02:11So I didn't know if it might have been yours or not.
02:13I don't know.
02:15They hired Trent to bring his excavator out,
02:17pull everything out of the still site.
02:18He said when he was pulling everything out of there,
02:21he was thinking that it all might be mine.
02:23Well, it was my setup, what they got.
02:25Oh, really?
02:26Yeah.
02:27I was kind of afraid of that.
02:29Yeah.
02:29I said, just the way the guys was talking,
02:32you know, I overheard them talking about, you know,
02:36they had numerous tips on several different still sites.
02:40They even told them there was somebody up in Tennessee
02:42making something.
02:44I didn't ask a whole lot of questions
02:45because I said I wasn't there to get involved
02:48during the investigation.
02:49I was there to tear a still down.
02:51All I gathered from them, they had anonymous phone calls
02:55on multiple occasions coming from a motel in Newport.
02:59That makes no sense.
03:01But if he was wanting to be anonymous.
03:04Whoever's ratting me out supposedly ratting out
03:06a bunch of other moonshiners.
03:08That don't make any sense either
03:10because how'd they get that much business?
03:12Like, how'd they know that much?
03:14Can you find out any more info?
03:16That's one of them kind of things.
03:17I ain't in the loop.
03:19I just, I was there getting paid to take a still down.
03:21I probably shouldn't have even told you any of this.
03:23It's going to drive me crazy.
03:24I probably shouldn't have even been telling you any of this,
03:27but, you know, we've been friends for a long time.
03:30Thank you, man.
03:31Stay safe.
03:31Stay out of trouble.
03:32Too big.
03:34Somebody's ratting me out.
03:35I want to know who it is and why.
03:45Whoop, damn.
03:46How's it feel being coordinated there, Grace?
03:49Earth started spinning in a different direction.
03:52In Cock County, Tennessee.
03:55After scoring thousands of dollars worth of surplus wheat for free.
04:00Maybe we're going to need a bigger truck.
04:02Mark and Digger have to improvise a recipe with unfamiliar ingredients
04:06to make a profitable late season run.
04:10The thing about this, Puss, we've got so much of this wheat,
04:13we can use all the hell of it if we want to.
04:16Yeah.
04:17Here we go.
04:19This is a new recipe all the way around.
04:22New grain that we don't normally use,
04:25and a new strain of apples that we don't normally use.
04:28Looking fine.
04:30This wheat grinds really, really quick.
04:33It's a real soft grain that grinds fast.
04:36We've got our water heating up in Big Sloppy,
04:39and then we'll pump it over on the sugar and the grain.
04:42Boy, that'll really smell good when we lay them apples to it.
04:45It ain't .
04:47We've got three bushels of apples,
04:49and we're going to grind them up so they'll break down.
04:52Well, them apples don't never grind themselves.
04:56That's a getting them, ain't it?
04:57Yep.
05:00Mmm.
05:01Damn.
05:01That hurt?
05:02A little bit.
05:04That's going to have a little protein in it.
05:06Just a little bit.
05:08That's good for liquor, too.
05:09We're going with the Golden Delicious.
05:11It's more of a mealy cooking apple, but they've got good flavor,
05:15so hopefully it'll play out well this week.
05:17Boy, three bushels don't grind enough to look like much, do they?
05:20No, but it spreads out in that mash mighty fine.
05:23Sprinkle a little enzyme in it, stir it up, let it get to working.
05:26Beyond shredding up this fruit, we also throw pectic enzymes.
05:30What that does is break down the cell membrane, the cell wall, if you will,
05:34and it opens up to let all that juice out,
05:36and it goes from being a pulp to a liquid.
05:38You just throw these apples in here willy-nilly,
05:41you won't get all the flavor out of them.
05:43That pectic enzyme breaks down all that fiber.
05:46It cooks up better, it runs liquor better, more flavor comes to the party.
05:51These Golden Delicious, they might bring something better to the table.
05:54You know, we're going to let it steep the hot water,
05:57then we'll top it off, pitch the yeast, let Mother Nature do her magic.
06:01And this right here's got the potential
06:03to put us some really good money in our pockets.
06:06Oh, yeah, almost immediately.
06:08All we've got to do now is wait on it to make us some alcohol.
06:12That's about down to 10.
06:14It is. Boy, that's nice, ain't it?
06:16It is. We'll tarp this rascal off.
06:18After this damn phone quits the buzzin'.
06:21Hell, that's Josh Owen.
06:22Why's Josh be calling on our emergency phone?
06:25Hey, man, what's going on?
06:27Hey, I got an issue.
06:29I need to talk to you.
06:31Well, tell you what, you remember that old chicken house
06:34we met at a couple of years ago?
06:36Yeah.
06:37Okay, meet me at that chicken house.
06:40Tomorrow, about 5 o'clock.
06:42All right.
06:44That didn't sound good, did it?
06:46You know, this phone that we're using now,
06:48that's like the glass over the fire extinguisher
06:50in the school hallway.
06:51You break it in case of an emergency.
06:53It made something worrying him, ain't it?
07:10All right.
07:14I heard that back of yours, man.
07:18Tickle, let's fire this thing up.
07:20Right up, Tickle.
07:21Let's do it, boss.
07:22Put the gas on in.
07:24That's your brother.
07:24Light it up, buddy.
07:26That's what I'm talking about.
07:27All right.
07:30In Culpeper County, Virginia, long-time legal distiller turned
07:35outlaw moonshiner Tim Smith is pioneering a lucrative cross-border
07:40operation to dodge tariffs in Canada.
07:43But after discovering a violent crew of rival shiners operating
07:47in the woods nearby, the threat of conflict on the home front
07:51is growing fast.
07:53We've got to up the proof.
07:54We've got to get at least 150 proof.
07:56Well, 150 proof, that means we're running this stuff twice, right?
07:59We've got to get mashed in because they've got this Canadian order,
08:02and it's looking like it's going to be like a regular thing,
08:04like every two weeks.
08:06So, you know, we've got to go ahead and just start making
08:08as much moonshine as we can, kind of stockpiling it, you know,
08:11stashing it away because every time that plane lands,
08:14we want to load it up.
08:15Whatever we've got to do, we've got to make it 150 proof.
08:18Yeah, we have to.
08:18That way they can water it down when they get there,
08:20and they sell it at 100.
08:21So you're not shipping as many gallons?
08:23Yeah.
08:24We've just got to conserve space.
08:25They're putting this stuff in an airplane.
08:27These orders are going up every two weeks,
08:29and they're going to be going up on an airplane.
08:32So what idea we've come up with is to make this as high proof
08:36as we possibly can, so that's less that we've got to ship.
08:40And once it gets up to Canada, it can be proof back down
08:43and be that many more gallons.
08:44This is guaranteed money, man.
08:46I'll tell you one thing, you know as well as I do,
08:48nothing's guaranteed when you leave it.
08:51My phone's ringing now.
08:54It's some kind of crazy number.
08:56Hello.
08:59Hey, I found this damn number on my site down here.
09:02Who is this?
09:02Hey, you know who this is.
09:04Yeah.
09:05I put that number down there.
09:07Oh, yeah, it's you, huh?
09:09Yeah.
09:11So the other day, Henry and Tickle,
09:13they saw this still site.
09:14These were the guys that burned down our stash house.
09:18So we left a note on the still site while that was gone
09:20that, you know, we know who they are.
09:22Let's see if we can't, you know, negotiate something here
09:25and figure out, you know, a better plan.
09:27Why did you leave your gnome anyway, man?
09:29Well, we need to talk about this situation
09:31because, look, you owe us a thousand gallons plus.
09:34We could go ahead and take your steel as is right now
09:36and then put you in the river.
09:40They won't be enough for you to help to find you.
09:43When they do the green skin you alive, one more time.
09:46You just ease up, catfish.
09:49I'm telling you, you don't know who you're messing with neither.
09:51We already know who you are, where you're at,
09:54and what you're doing.
09:55We already got a picture of you, too.
10:00You're in the woods.
10:02You're trying to make money.
10:03I'm in the woods.
10:04I'm trying to make money, you know.
10:06We're in the same business, all right?
10:08We're kind of on the same side, but right now,
10:10we're not on the same side.
10:12Let's talk about this thing a little bit.
10:17Let's talk about it and see how we can come to agreement.
10:23All right, well, we'll be down there then, all right?
10:27We'll be over there a little bit then.
10:28You'll see some headlights come in.
10:31We'll make a deal, a verbal deal,
10:34that you make it and we'll buy it.
10:37We'll bring them grain, whatever.
10:39You know what I'm saying?
10:39We'll bring them supplies, you know what I'm saying?
10:41We'll butter them up, bring them a biscuit, whatever.
10:44You know, get these guys, make the moonshine,
10:47and we take it.
10:48Just keep on taking it until we get our stuff back.
10:54All right, let's do it then.
10:55We're going to do it, let's do it.
10:56Let's do it.
10:57We basically mashed in now anyways.
10:58Yeah, cover them up.
10:59All right, let's go.
11:00Cover it up, son.
11:00Let's get out of here.
11:01All right.
11:02Now, I don't like the idea of rolling up
11:05into somebody else's still site, especially at night.
11:08We don't know how many of them's there.
11:09We don't know what we're walking into.
11:11But this is the risk that we've got to take,
11:14in order to be able to set these guys up,
11:16and our plan to work.
11:26Well, get over here, right?
11:29Maybe let me do the talk.
11:31I don't even want to go over here.
11:33We can size up the situation, right?
11:35We've got to get them to work for us.
11:37I don't trust these guys.
11:38Well, no, I don't trust them either.
11:40I don't even know who they are.
11:41But we've got to negotiate a deal where, you know,
11:45we won't be fighting and stuff because, you know,
11:47I can't have no war going on right now
11:49where we've got to get this order.
11:51We've got to get this moonshine.
11:52I kind of got a plan on my head.
11:55We get down there.
11:55We find out who these guys are.
11:58And, you know, maybe we make a deal with these guys.
12:00Right now, I've got this Canadian order.
12:01We really need to fill this pipeline, you know.
12:03I need them to make me that moonshine back
12:05that they took from us.
12:07We don't need a war with moonshiners in the woods right now.
12:10I hope you know what you're doing, Tim.
12:13Just give me an opportunity.
12:14And if we can make a deal and make it work.
12:17And I'm telling how many of them's down here.
12:19No telling.
12:20So we've got to be careful, man.
12:23All right.
12:24All right, let's go do it.
12:31All right, let's go see what we're working with here.
12:40Look at them lights down there.
12:44Hey, guys, it's us.
12:45We're coming in.
12:51Uh-huh.
12:57Well, who was on the phone?
12:59That was me.
13:01Okay, you're getting pretty smart on the phone.
13:03No, you weren't getting pretty smart with me, buddy.
13:04You don't look too smart right now.
13:06Well, bring it on.
13:07You're down in my turf.
13:08What do you expect?
13:09This ain't your turf.
13:12This ain't your turf.
13:12Y'all stole our .
13:13Y'all stole our liquors, which you did.
13:16You burned the damn stash house down.
13:18There's 1,000 gallons of liquor in that darn stash house.
13:22To be honest, me and Henry,
13:23we're just ready to kick these guys' asses
13:25and be done with it.
13:28So what you gonna beat?
13:30You said you and your buddy was down here.
13:31What's these guys?
13:32We figured you'd bring some back up,
13:34so we brought us a few back up.
13:37I think we need to talk about it now.
13:41We all mean the liquor business, right?
13:43Right.
13:44Correct.
13:44And that's the whole problem here.
13:46Y'all interrupting.
13:47We trying to make liquor.
13:49Look, think about this, guys.
13:51We could have already turned y'all guys in,
13:53but we don't work that way.
13:54And we don't go burning people's stash house down like y'all did.
13:59We got plenty of sales.
14:01We just need some liquor made.
14:02If you're willing to make the liquor,
14:04we'll take the liquor.
14:06You ain't got to deal with nobody else.
14:08Just me.
14:09So what make you think we don't have any sales, man?
14:11Well, you probably got buyers,
14:12but you ain't got no buyer like I got.
14:14I've been to you a long time, buddy.
14:16Well, I have too.
14:19Listen now.
14:20Let's work together.
14:21I got a buyer who wants 1,000 gallons paying top dollar.
14:25What's top dollar?
14:27$75 a gallon.
14:29You ain't gonna get that in the woods right here.
14:31$75 a gallon.
14:34I don't know.
14:39$75 a gallon and all the materials.
14:41I bring it in and haul it out.
14:45All I got to do is make it.
14:47All you got to do is make it, just like you're doing now.
14:50You know, these guys, I mean, they come in,
14:52they burn their mustache house, right?
14:53They run us out of the state.
14:55Well, in order for me to get back at them,
14:57I got to kind of, you know, bait these guys
14:59to think that they getting a good deal, right?
15:01But not such a good deal, you know,
15:03because they may think it's too good.
15:05But I want to pay them enough to get them to work,
15:08to make the moon shine,
15:09so really at the end I can get back at them.
15:11You run with it.
15:12We pick up the product, take it out.
15:14Y'all picking it up.
15:15Nobody else.
15:17Guaranteed.
15:17Well, I agree with that.
15:20I'm willing to work with y'all.
15:22Stevie.
15:23Yep.
15:23If everybody gets it done right,
15:25it shouldn't be no more bull .
15:26That sounds a better deal.
15:28As soon as we got some raw ingredients together,
15:31we'll let you know, all right?
15:32Let's make some damn money.
15:41How much liquor did that old boy say he needed?
15:43Well, he didn't really say.
15:44He knew he wanted apples and grain.
15:47I knew we had all this wheat, so I just pointed him down that road.
15:50I think we ought to just go ahead and make a big run of it.
15:53And if it is good, if he don't want it all,
15:55it won't be no trouble to sell.
15:57We've got to go meet Josh and see what's got him all riled up a little bit.
16:01He's got something on his mind that's bothering him,
16:03but first we've got to pick up some more of this red top wheat.
16:06Red wheat's turned out to be pretty special to this apple mash,
16:10and we really think it's going to be an opportunity to make a little money here on the last
16:14that will carry us over through the winter.
16:17All right, wheat, here we come.
16:19You know, the way things have been going,
16:20we don't have a lot of warehouse space to keep a lot of grain,
16:24and the guy that owns this farm said we could use this barn to store it in.
16:28We're more than happy to do that.
16:34Well, that's what we've got to get some of.
16:36Well, you want to just set that sack up in the back of the truck,
16:39or you want to bail it out there a little at a time?
16:41Well, we better bail it out there a little at a time.
16:44You know, given the way we've been under constant scrutiny the past few years,
16:48but the law, I don't want to keep anything around in our hands
16:51that can be kind of screwed into making liquor with it.
16:54If we can keep it someplace else, that's all the better.
16:58You know, I'm kind of excited about making this apple wheat liquor.
17:03I'm just excited to make some liquor we might be able to make a nickel off of.
17:07Wheat has a smooth, earthy-type note to it, so to speak,
17:12and I'm thinking it could be something really special.
17:15But like Jim, Tom, one time told us,
17:18you don't know what you're going to make until you put it in a still and cook it.
17:24Was that a damn police car that just went by that door?
17:27He was. He was going awful slow, wasn't he?
17:29It's a little bit concerning.
17:31I mean, they may just be watching this place.
17:34There's a lot of money and equipment here.
17:37I'll light it down.
17:40Hell, he's coming back to the park in here.
17:42He's just stopping.
17:47Well, here he comes.
17:51Hey, guys.
17:52Hey.
17:53Hey, how you doing, officer?
17:54What's going on?
17:57We're just getting a little of this weed.
17:59I got a little patch of land I need to put out for cover crop
18:02before it weeds up over the winter.
18:04How you doing, sir?
18:05Good.
18:06Hey, can you back up for me?
18:09What's really going on here, guys?
18:12Oh, we ain't lying to you, Defty.
18:13We're getting this winter wheat here.
18:15They had a bunch of it.
18:17Couldn't get rid of it.
18:18Had to get a silo emptied for corn.
18:20Okay.
18:21Well, we're familiar with all the ingredients to some illegal moonshining.
18:25Just know that we've had several complaints on you all.
18:28We're well aware of what y'all are doing, okay?
18:30Just know we're watching y'all, okay?
18:33Well, I appreciate the warning, sir.
18:36You be safe, sir.
18:39Son of a bitch.
18:42I just don't understand.
18:45I mean, as low-key as we've been this year
18:47and making very little liquor at all,
18:52there's something fishy here.
18:53I'm having a hard time sorting it out.
18:56He didn't just stumble up on us to tell us they were getting complaints.
19:00No, but somehow or another, they knew we was here
19:01because you can't see from the road.
19:03If it's been any other year other than right now,
19:06I might take a little more heed, but...
19:09I mean, I'm...
19:10We ain't made no liquor to speak of.
19:12We can't let this live in our head.
19:14I think it's just a smokescreen.
19:16I think this boy's just trying to make us flinch.
19:18He may be just trying to buffalo us a little.
19:21Yeah, I think that's it in a nutshell.
19:23You know, I don't care who you are.
19:24You can be Jesse James, but when the law shows up,
19:28your heart still goes up in your throat.
19:31But at the end of the day,
19:32we're not going to let it live in our heads.
19:34We've got this new wheat apple liquor.
19:36It seems to be really good to folks.
19:38I'll get the door, puss.
19:39All right.
19:40Before we go get mashed in, though,
19:41we've got to go see Josh.
19:43He seems to have an issue that's bothering him,
19:45and we can't leave him hanging high on that right now.
20:05I'm getting this corn.
20:07I'm getting this grain.
20:08We brought in some extra shiners to help us make this liquor for the Canadian buyer.
20:13You know, things got a little bit heated when we first started approaching these guys.
20:18These are the guys that I ran into early in the season.
20:21They burned in their stash house.
20:23They kind of run, you know, me and Howard out of the state.
20:26But since then, you know, we've kind of come to an agreement.
20:29I'm going to supply them with the goods like, you know, grain, sugar, jugs, whatever they need.
20:34They're going to take the risk to make the moonshine
20:36to help me fulfill this order going to the Canadian buyer.
20:39They need to work with me so really, at the end, I can get back at these guys.
20:50Oh, that's Howard there.
20:53Howard?
20:54Hey, Tim!
20:55Yeah, what are you doing?
20:56Oh, my God.
20:57You've got to come here to Canada and immerse yourself in the culture.
21:01They got greatest coffee and donuts in the world, man.
21:04I came up with the idea to send Howard up to Canada, you know, to kind of snoop around,
21:08go to some bars, find out, you know, what's going on up there,
21:11what's selling and what ain't selling, what's needed.
21:13Well, you know, with all of the tariffs taking effect between America and Canada,
21:19you know, and no American whiskey is getting into Canada,
21:22that's an opportunity, and that's where I want to be.
21:24What's them bottles back there?
21:26What's that on them bottles?
21:27Those are called sample bottles, Tim.
21:30Sample?
21:30Howard?
21:30I didn't send you a dude on sampling.
21:32I sent you to find out what's settling, not sampling, settling.
21:35Well, why did I buy it?
21:37Look, you need to go to these bars, right?
21:39Go do a little bar hopping, find out what they're drinking, you know, get to know these people,
21:44and then find out do they want some moonshine or not.
21:47Howard needs to go out there and look a little bit more, you know, go to bars, talk to people,
21:52find out, you know, what do people really want up there?
21:55You know, do we have a market to provide more moonshine than actually what this Canadian buyer is telling me?
22:00Go to the bars, find out if they're interested in moonshine, you know, American, you know what I'm saying,
22:06from down south, then we find out what's going on.
22:10I'm going to talk to my fellow Canadians, eh?
22:11Yeah, yeah, that's right.
22:13I'll tell you all about it.
22:14That's all about it.
22:15It's not about it.
22:15It's a boot around here.
22:17I'll tell you all about it.
22:18Well, just make sure you stay in control now.
22:21Don't lose control.
22:22All right, call me back if you need something.
22:24Give me an update now.
22:26Oh, I'll update you.
22:27All right, see you.
22:28Later, buddy.
22:29You know, right now in Canada, I mean, this is a massive market right now.
22:33You know, tear-free moonshine, no taxes.
22:36I need Howard to focus on what he's doing and what we need here,
22:39because I can't miss this opportunity.
22:48Well, you reckon you've got Josh worked up to.
22:51He's such a favorite pitch.
22:52He has to talk to us right now.
22:54I don't know, but it's something troubling him, ain't it?
22:57It's got to be something pretty fierce for him to drive all the way over here
23:00from Columbus, North Carolina.
23:03A simple favor would be easy enough just to ask for on the phone.
23:06Making a little extra money with homemade liquor ain't as easy as it once was, Hattie.
23:12It is not.
23:15The man digger, we're headed to meet our old buddy Josh.
23:18He seems all jazzed up and fired up about something.
23:21We don't really know what he's got on his mind.
23:24Go in here where it's dry.
23:25And we like him and, you know, if he's got a problem that we can help him with, we certainly
23:30want to.
23:31How you doing, Big Daddy?
23:34You look good, everything good?
23:36Man, I'll tell you right now, it ain't been good.
23:41What's happened?
23:42Boys, I got busted by the law.
23:46You went to jail?
23:47No.
23:50They raided my still site, took all my stuff.
23:53I don't know how in the world, but somebody's done ratted me out.
23:59How did you find out that you got ratted out, Josh?
24:02Okay, so my buddy Trent that was helping bust up my still site used to be a cop, but he's
24:07not anymore.
24:07He runs a tree service, and they were using his track hoe to pull all my out from underground still
24:11site.
24:12He overheard the cops saying that we were getting ratted out by anonymous calls.
24:18You ain't gonna believe where it's coming from.
24:21I wouldn't have a clue.
24:23From my motel here in Cock County.
24:26The hell you say?
24:29You're getting this information from your ex-cop friend.
24:33All I know is he said the calls were coming in from a landline phone at a motel in Newport,
24:40Tennessee.
24:41And on top of that, found out some more info.
24:46Apparently they're telling on other moonshiners as well.
24:51That explains a little more about our visit from our officer.
24:55Yep.
24:56We had the law pay us a little visit, and we was getting some grain.
24:59A rat, especially an anonymous rat, there's no bigger chicken nothing in the world than that.
25:07Well, only one thing we can do, boys.
25:10We're going to get out on the hunt and try to figure out where this motel is.
25:14You know, the thing about it is, Puss, there's not that many of them.
25:17Yeah, they're just a handful of them at each exit.
25:19They're just a handful.
25:20But, I mean, that could be a lot of rooms.
25:22It really could if they've all got landlines in them.
25:25A needle in a haystack right there.
25:28Well, we've got to find out a designated phone that he's a-calling from, or she's a-calling from, whatever
25:33the hell it is.
25:34So, from what Josh's friend knows and what he's related to him, this is one location all these calls are
25:41coming from.
25:42So, the guy's either renting a room all the time, or he's using the lobby phone all the time.
25:47Well, I say let's head toward the town.
25:50Let's go look them out.
25:51Let's start stacking them out, or what?
25:52Well, we're going to go talk to some desk clerks.
25:55We've got to narrow it down which one it's coming from first.
25:58Then we'll decide what to do.
26:00Let's go, let's go, let's go.
26:02We need to find out all we can about this son of a bitch.
26:05Not only to help Josh, but if he's running into the same problem, we want to certainly put this rat
26:11out of business before he can pop a cap on us, so to speak.
26:15Well, boys, let's go to town and see what we can figure out.
26:22Are you sure you want to do this, Tim?
26:24I mean, what if we supply them all this materials, and then they just take the liquor?
26:30Then what are you going to do?
26:31We're going to watch them.
26:33I got it under control right there.
26:34I hope so, man.
26:35We got them where I want them.
26:38We bringing in the grain, bringing in the sugar, they going to make the liquor, and then we're going to
26:42take it.
26:42I hope so, man.
26:44Some time back, I ran into these rival shiners, and they threatened me and stuff, and, you know, next thing
26:49you know, our steel site was burned down.
26:51Our stash house got burned down, so we'd meet them, and, you know, I kind of tricked them a little
26:55bit to, you know, work for us.
26:57You know, at least we can work together for a little while.
27:00I can get this Canadian order going, you know, then I can work a plan how I can get my
27:05payback.
27:06That's what we're going to do.
27:07Let's play the game.
27:14About time you're getting there.
27:16All right.
27:17We got some grain.
27:18We got some sugar.
27:21Well, come on and get this stuff.
27:22So you got a load of stuff off.
27:24Well, I got what you need.
27:27Don't act like we're stupid.
27:28Don't make it because we turn down the river this evening.
27:30Well, there ain't going to be no putting no river.
27:31You're on our turf, man.
27:33I don't trust either one of y'all.
27:36You want to trust all these?
27:37I don't trust a damn thing that y'all do, a damn thing that y'all said y'all are
27:40going to do.
27:40Well, I'm telling y'all one more thing.
27:41Y'all think I'm going to steal our stuff again?
27:43What do you mean again?
27:44I ain't told that.
27:45We know what y'all did.
27:46Because I know what y'all did.
27:48You better work out.
27:50Let's get this stuff.
27:51I don't like it one damn bit.
27:53I'm telling y'all right now.
27:55You can't make no look unless you mash in.
27:57That's right.
27:57So get the grain, get the sugar.
28:01What y'all think we're going to do all the work?
28:03Y'all ain't grip the soup down now?
28:05No, I brought it down here.
28:09Y'all just have to mash in and make it look.
28:11You know, we kind of want to watch these guys a little bit.
28:14You know, how they're going to mash in, you know, the ratios, how they're heating the water up,
28:18how they're putting the grain in, sugar in.
28:20I don't know what kind of moonshine they make.
28:22It's got to be somewhat halfway good because we've got to tend to the canopy.
28:27I can't stand to be around these.
28:30I know.
28:31I know.
28:31Jesus Christ, man.
28:33Just play the game, man.
28:34All right, I'm trying, man.
28:35Play the game.
28:36I'm trying.
28:41Get this baby mashed in.
28:47Oh yeah, baby.
28:49Throw that grain to it, y'all.
28:58There's some of the sugar y'all put in y'all's mash.
29:00The more sugar we put, we'll give them a little bit more alcohol return, maybe.
29:05We need all the alcohol we can get.
29:07Just go and put it in there.
29:09So far, I mean, I think they've got some experience in moonshining.
29:13I mean, I don't think they got it as the experience, let's say me and Henry does,
29:17but I think they can make some liquor.
29:18Get this mash in and make sure we get the liquor.
29:21We'll get it mashed in.
29:22Y'all get, we'll holler at you when we're done.
29:24Y'all take the liquor.
29:25Y'all worry about the damn thing.
29:26Just make the liquor.
29:27Just make the liquor.
29:29We're going to give you the damn liquor when we get done.
29:30If you can make much liquor you run in your mouth, we can have a whole lot of liquor.
29:34What did I just say?
29:34Y'all get every drop of it.
29:36We'll get every drop of it.
29:36When you're ready, I'm going to pick it up.
29:38Don't be sitting around waiting.
29:39All right.
29:40We'll call us.
29:40We'll call you.
29:46We'll call you.
29:47Damn.
29:50What's wrong with these people, man?
29:51I don't know what you want to do.
29:52I want one hell of a gamble.
29:57We're going to be in a fight for the end of this.
30:00I see it already.
30:08Well, this won't be hard to narrow down, puss.
30:11There ain't that many motels the next I-40.
30:14But even if it's more than one, how you going to figure that out?
30:16Going in there and ask them if they've seen anybody coming in using their telephone.
30:20Just going to go right up in there and ask them?
30:21Well, yeah.
30:22Processed elimination.
30:23If you've got multiple targets, what do you do?
30:25You shoot them down one at a time.
30:27Well, Josh, he came to us with a problem he'd had about a snitch, and actually got his
30:33still sight busted, and he asked us for some help.
30:36We know it's a motel.
30:37It's in Newport.
30:38I mean, they ain't over three or four.
30:40Whoever this son of a bitch is that's coming in here and ratting people out.
30:43He's stopping at a little seedy motel close to the interstate.
30:46And I don't know who this is doing this, but we've got to put a stop to it.
30:50This right here is a motel.
30:54Let's just drive around it and look and check it out.
30:58It's really upsetting to us that there's a rat right here in our hometown, but it gives
31:04a little light to us why we were approached by law enforcement just recently as well.
31:09How do you just poke your head in this office lobby here and see if they've had anybody odd
31:16come in to use their telephone?
31:18We have to consider the fact that the same person that's ratting Josh out is also making
31:24calls on us.
31:26He's getting all the answers he needs right there.
31:35That wasn't it.
31:36No landline whatsoever in any of the rooms.
31:40The clerk in there told me they don't even have landlines anywhere.
31:44They're simply a cell phone operation.
31:48Well, on to the next.
31:50I don't see how we're going to figure anything out.
31:52Oh, just lay back and watch.
31:54We'll figure it out, Josh.
31:57Keep the faith.
31:58The only thing that we do have working in our favor is there's not many motels, and all
32:05the ones that we have are right beside Interstate 40 at the exit.
32:10This can't work.
32:12It can't be these.
32:14These are hotels.
32:15We've got to put a stop to this son of a bitch one way or the other.
32:19We've got to figure out who he is, or we're pretty much out of business at this point.
32:22Loop around this building anyway.
32:25Just see what you think.
32:28Just for giggles.
32:30We pull up on this one particular motel, and there's just something about the atmosphere
32:36here that makes us feel like we might have some success here.
32:40So we're going to speak with the clerk and see if they will even give us any information.
32:45How you doing, ma'am?
32:47Good.
32:48How can I help you?
32:49Yeah, we're kind of looking for a little information.
32:52We've been getting some phone calls that aren't been, they ain't been real friendly.
32:56And we're trying to figure out who it is, and we've tracked it down to a number here at
33:02this hotel.
33:03What we do know, they've been coming a couple times a week, and they're coming from a landline
33:09number.
33:10We don't mean anything ill by trying to find out.
33:13We just want to put a stop.
33:14It's just harassment to us.
33:16We need to convince her that we're sure that they are.
33:20And maybe she'll be willing to work with us a little more.
33:23We know they're coming from this location.
33:26I mean, we have landlines here, but everybody has a cell phone.
33:29We don't have actual phones in the room, so I'm not quite sure.
33:32So you don't even have phones in the rooms.
33:35These days, the only landline I have would be my office phone here.
33:39Anybody come in on a regular basis to borrow it?
33:42No.
33:44It's the only landline owned property?
33:46Well, no.
33:47We have another one at the pool, but, you know, we have a phone out there.
33:53So, you know, in the summertime when people use it in case they get hurt.
33:57I mean, it's possible somebody could have got it.
33:59It's at the fence.
34:00I mean, anybody can reach over there and grab a hole.
34:02Well, that'd be a pretty easy grab, right up there on that fence.
34:06Yes, sir.
34:07Huh.
34:17Oh.
34:18Yeah.
34:19Now, Howard's coming here.
34:20Howard, what are you doing?
34:22I'm doing what you're trying to be doing.
34:24I'm at the bar.
34:25I'm beating everybody up.
34:26I'm finding that was a smoking freak.
34:27All right, Howard, you done drank enough, man.
34:29Get your plane home, brother.
34:30Yeah.
34:31Listen, I don't know if I want to come back home.
34:34Yeah, I...
34:34I don't know if I'm Canadian around here, okay?
34:36Good boy.
34:38Crazy.
34:39You can't speak French.
34:40All right.
34:41You better hurry up and get back.
34:42I might send Tickle up out and get you.
34:44For real, I am wearing what we call here in the States Canadian tuxedo.
34:50All right.
34:50All right.
34:51All right.
34:51All right.
34:53What?
34:54He's not worried about liquor.
34:56He's worried about the women.
34:57I'll be home tomorrow.
34:58Bye.
34:59He won't ever get back, probably.
35:00He has two or three women all around him.
35:01Well, it's because they feel like he's got money.
35:03He's got all that denim on him.
35:08It's the only landline-owned property.
35:10Well, no.
35:11We have another one at the pool, but, you know...
35:15Oh, the one on...
35:17Yeah, the one.
35:18It says 911 on it.
35:18Over there.
35:19It says 911, but, I mean, our pool's not even open.
35:22Josh was ratted out by an anonymous tip that told him where his steel sites were located.
35:27Law chased him down, seized his equipment.
35:29These phone calls were coming from one location in Cock County, Tennessee.
35:35You hadn't noticed anybody at it, though?
35:37No.
35:38It wouldn't be no big deal at all for anybody to use that one, guys.
35:41Not really.
35:42We have to consider the fact that the same person that's ratting Josh out is also making calls on us.
35:49I mean, if that phone right there's got a damn dial tone on it, I mean, he could park right
35:55there in that parking lot and reach across the fence.
35:57If it's actually a-working.
35:59Yeah.
35:59If it's a-working phone...
36:01Yep.
36:02Is that one in there?
36:05Yeah, it's in there.
36:06Yeah.
36:06Got a dial tone?
36:07I don't know.
36:11Oh, yeah, it's got a dial tone.
36:13Honestly, it could park right there.
36:15Yeah.
36:15Josh would come just reach across this fence, get that phone call, and be gone.
36:19She'd never know it.
36:20That'd be easy as pie.
36:22That'd be easy as pie, and I mean, she wouldn't ever notice that.
36:24Uh-uh.
36:25I mean, if I was trying to keep my identity a secret and remain anonymous, there ain't no better phone
36:31in the world than using this one right here.
36:39You got cameras in here, what's the chances you got a camera out there pointing on that pole?
36:44Oh, I have one.
36:47How often did you say these calls have been coming to you?
36:51I don't know exactly, just a couple times a week is what he says.
36:54Okay.
36:55I'm a-thinking it would be in the last four days.
36:58Yeah.
36:59Yeah, if somebody's used that phone, it would pick up, yes.
37:01You care to look at that security footage for us, just let you know, let us know if you see
37:05somebody over there?
37:07I would have to look into that and get back with y'all, because that's something we just don't offer
37:11to the public.
37:12I mean, if you were a police officer with a search warrant, I could.
37:15Yeah.
37:15Well, like the cops, of course, if they'd come in for a search warrant or whatnot.
37:18Yeah, well, we're not a cop, honestly.
37:19We don't want to cause you any problems.
37:21Okay.
37:22We just need to see if we recognize them.
37:25Right, okay.
37:25I mean, it may be somebody that, you know, feels that they've got a vendetta against us or something.
37:31We don't know.
37:33You be doing us a big favor, let us look.
37:35We promise we won't cause no trouble.
37:37Well, I guess I'll check the camera.
37:39Uh-huh.
37:40Let's see.
37:41I'll go in here and look and...
37:44Be good if we find a little something, wouldn't it?
37:47The calls seem to be coming ever two or three days apart.
37:51So, you know, she won't have to look through weeks of stored up footage.
38:03Did our search warrant turn up anything?
38:05Yeah, I actually found something Wednesday about 517.
38:09There's a gray pickup truck right here.
38:15Uh-huh.
38:16I like that now.
38:17Look at the underdigger.
38:18Looks familiar.
38:19That truck's the right foot.
38:25Here's another one.
38:26Friday at 545.
38:28Are you pulling in?
38:29Yeah, there he comes.
38:30Look at that.
38:31Oh, yeah.
38:32Son of a bitch.
38:34And then, two weeks ago, on a Monday, about 545, he was here.
38:40So, he's been here multiple times.
38:42He's a creature of habit.
38:44He's staying with his tracks.
38:46He ain't veering off the path.
38:49In two evenings, during that two-week period of time, there was a gray pickup truck showed
38:55up and used that phone.
38:57Can you zoom that in right there?
39:00Any at all, Faith?
39:01Yes, sir.
39:01Okay.
39:02Yeah, let's...
39:03I can't see his face.
39:05Yeah.
39:06Look here.
39:07There you go.
39:08Oh, there you go.
39:09Oh, yeah.
39:09There ain't no doubt.
39:10That's that flat-billed.
39:12That's that flat-billed bastard.
39:14You know, as soon as we put eyes on the picture of this guy, we know exactly who it is.
39:20We've never dealt with him before.
39:22Y'all know who it is.
39:23Fixing to deal with him again.
39:24Yeah.
39:25It's our damn fake liquor seller that Digger and I confronted earlier in the season.
39:30That's cheap grain alcohol.
39:32You're getting that from a legal facility.
39:34Oh, no.
39:34You ain't got no permit.
39:36That's good liquor.
39:37It's stole.
39:38They've been blaming it on us, and it's over.
39:43It's usually between 5 and 6, correct?
39:46Yes.
39:47That's when he gets off work.
39:49Yeah, there's the whole other...
39:50Yep.
39:50He must have worked close.
39:52He's on a schedule, and he can't be here until after 5 o'clock.
39:55Well, I hope that helped y'all out.
39:57That helped.
39:57It helped us a bunch.
39:59You have no clue.
40:00Mmm.
40:01Well, I'll be watching now.
40:03Maybe we can smoke this little boy out, and he'll leave us alone.
40:06We'll keep him out of your hire, too.
40:08Okay, good.
40:09Good.
40:09I don't want people like that here.
40:11Well, we appreciate more than you'll ever know, Faith.
40:14No problem.
40:14Y'all have a great day.
40:19We might just be able to camp out on this phone and locate him.
40:23Josh, just so you know, that fella that you saw in that video was the same guy I warned you
40:30about.
40:30Somebody was giving us the blues with cheap imitation of homemade liquor.
40:36We thought this problem was solved.
40:38Yeah.
40:38As a matter of fact, he told us it was.
40:40He lied to us.
40:42So what do we do?
40:43The thing about it is, though, we know who he is now.
40:46Yep.
40:46We got the L on my surprise on our side now.
40:50We got to put a stop to this son of a bitch one way or the other.
40:57Apple branded.
40:59There's a huge shortage of American alcohol up in Canada.
41:02I don't know, man.
41:03I think we got a problem right here.
41:04These apples are already starting to ferment on their own.
41:08Be bad for flavor-wise.
41:09Dang.
41:10We're wanted men, son.
41:12You spend all your life making moonshine, you know, always trying to dodge that bullet.
41:16I'd say 50 pounds is all we need.
41:18Lo and behold, you caught with your britches down.
41:20What are y'all doing with these pecans again?
41:22Hey, old boy, he's back.
41:23Shoot the head.
41:25Hopefully, we can shut this rat down once and for all.
41:28We've got to stop him permanently.
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