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00:00a willoughby mother murdered in her own home tonight police say the woman's foster child is
00:12to blame an unthinkable crime i can see blood on the blade i can see blood on her sabrina
00:19had stabbed lisa 178 times the family forever changed everything seems so normal and then this
00:27happens recall coming out of the bedroom with a knife in your hand no a twist no one saw coming
00:35were you and uh lisa in the process of going through a divorce with lisa how do you feel
00:40after me and lisa have never been the best investigators searching for answers in the
00:46interrogation why is he not cooperating with us what is he hiding from us
00:57every suspect accused of a crime has the right to remain silent many agree to be interrogated
01:06anyway but they can stop the interview at any moment making it a race against time
01:12justice hangs in the balance
01:169-1-1 what is your emergency
01:25what is going on hello
01:30where is your sister quick quick quick what i got everyone coming to you honey where
01:51is your sister i was on patrol and i heard the call come over dispatch green drive i have
02:05a female with stab wounds attention you could tell by the tone of her voice that it wasn't normal
02:12when the police arrived they found megan knifel who made the 911 call coming out of the house and
02:21saying you better come in uh hurry hurry she was frantically waving her hands for me to hurry up and
02:29get in the house screaming that she's gonna kill my mother she was very very panicked very frantic
02:36so we approached the bedroom door and i was expecting to hear something you're being told somebody's being
02:46stabbed there's you know some kind of fight going on but you hear nothing it was eerie
02:54sabrina has a 12-inch bread knife that she is holding in her right hand she's covered in blood
03:13i could see blood on the blade i can see blood on her immediately we started screaming to drop the knife
03:20it almost like snapped her out of whatever she was in back to some type of reality i kicked it away
03:26from her and we put her down on the floor it was a very tense couple seconds
03:37when i uh first walked into the house the scene was horrifying it was very bloody the smell of death
03:49she was lying in between the bed and the wall there was a lot of blood on the walls
04:01on the bed and on the ceiling as well the coroners documented that sabrina had stabbed lisa 178 times
04:11it was a longer bread knife and the blade was actually curved it was bent it's just you try to picture in
04:23your mind what had to have happened to make that knife bend like that
04:28i could hear a child crying from my left we opened up the door to clear the closet and that's when i found
04:41a very very small child screaming
04:45the suspect sabrina zunich she was a 18 year old foster child of lisa knavel also inside the house was
05:00megan sinella and hayley knavel megan being 13 and hayley being three years old the father kevin was away
05:11on a trip he was a truck driver and he was in michigan at that point
05:21lisa was married before she met kevin her first child megan was actually born in 1999 her first
05:28marriage ended in 2003 and she met kevin soon after and they got married in 2006 and the very next year
05:38their daughter haley was born lisa worked for the cuyahoga county job and family services in the sex
05:46division she worked on some of the most difficult cases in the county caring for children wasn't just
05:54a job she lived it she brought troubled kids into her home
05:57sabrina was in foster care for many years before she came to the knavels
06:15the sabrina landing with the knavels really represented a fresh start for her she went from a
06:20troubled home with her biological father and grandma
06:24to a youth shelter where she did not want to be she's getting along with the family she's doing
06:31great at school she's not getting in trouble things seem to be looking out for her i couldn't
06:37find anything indicating something like this could happen
06:44do you remember me right
06:59Our main goal when we first interviewed Sabrina was to get Sabrina to tell us exactly what happened.
07:17We caught her coming out of the room, so we knew she did it. We wanted to know why.
07:24What do you recall?
07:26Yesterday?
07:29Mm-hmm.
07:30Getting done with my homework?
07:33I don't know. And that's it.
07:36Mm-hmm.
07:37Look what you said.
07:39And we're at home?
07:40Mm-hmm.
07:42Would anything initial happen?
07:46I don't know. Everything was fine according to what I knew was.
07:51Starting from when you got home from school yesterday.
07:54I can tell him what you're doing.
07:57Then we had a helper.
08:00And then I went back to doing my homework at like 12.
08:04I was trying to go to sleep. I couldn't go to sleep.
08:07So I wanted to go to school.
08:08Mm-hmm.
08:09I didn't go to school.
08:10Because my head hurt.
08:11Where did you take ibuprofen from?
08:13In Lisa and Kevin's bedroom.
08:16Where at?
08:17Kevin and Lisa's bedroom.
08:19Kevin and Lisa's bedroom?
08:20Okay.
08:22We're trying to lock her into a story.
08:25Do you know what the bottle said?
08:27We try to go over the same event over and over again to see, A, if they're going to change your story, or B, if they're just going to kind of give in and be like, okay, I'm going to tell these guys now because I don't have an enemy to lie anymore.
08:40Okay.
08:41After some point in time, you don't know how long it's been, you can't go to bed because you've got a headache.
08:47Mm-hmm.
08:48Correct?
08:49Correct.
08:50You go open up the medicine cabinet, white bottle that says ibuprofen, how many did you take?
08:57Three.
08:58When she's given the short one-word answers, we know she's lying to us. She doesn't have a good explanation for it. She doesn't want to tell us the explanation because the explanation is going to bring long, drawn-out comments.
09:11How do you get along with Kevin?
09:22Kevin and me are cool.
09:24Mm-hmm.
09:25I mean, he's the one that helps me out because there's nothing I can deal with, and so we made agreement for a long time about that if I need anything, that I can do to Kevin.
09:36How about along with Lisa? How do you get along with her?
09:40Me and Lisa have never been the best. She's never seemed to like me, and she's been wanting me out of the house.
09:53What's your thoughts on how Lisa is not alive now?
10:01What?
10:10A Willoughby mother murdered in her own home.
10:13Tonight, police say the woman's foster child is to blame. Authorities say Lisa Canafil was stabbed to death. Her 18-year-old foster daughter is in custody tonight.
10:23The first thing she does is she has an itch on her forehead for no apparent reason.
10:36When people touch their face or, you know, start scratching or start tamping her toes, it's a good indication to us that the person's probably lying. They're nervous.
10:49Well, you know, you had a knife. You stabbed Lisa. I missed it. And Megan called the police.
10:55Why did they get me through?
10:57Sorry, it is. I'm sorry.
10:58This is really bad.
10:59The mask is dead. Sorry.
11:02I don't believe that nobody else was hurt.
11:11Nobody else was hurt. Thank goodness.
11:15What we're trying to do here is to get her to open up to us,
11:29here is to get her to open up to us she looks damaged to us so we don't want to
11:36take a hard line approach with her we want to take a nice easy approach with
11:40her
11:42megan and kevin hailey megan and kevin are all safe they're at home how do you get along with
11:52megan and hayley hayley is what everything i love her okay megan me and her we're up and down
12:00so what you're saying is true you're letting me amy and megan mommy her mother
12:08correct nobody needs to do that no
12:13her emotions were up and down we call that a big pendulum swing sometimes she'd be crying
12:18then you know she'd want to listen that is a very big indicator that they're trying to lie
12:23or they're covering something up everything will be okay um just not with me no it's not going to be
12:32okay for a lot of people would you tell us if you remembered yes
12:43okay for right now we're doing our investigation but you're under arrest you know lisa's dead and it
12:52appears that you're responsible for that at this time so that's what the charge is going to be
12:58sabrina never denies committing the murder she just acts confused when i tell her that she's the one who
13:06killed lisa kennethel we could have waited here for four days and we were probably going to get the
13:11same answer from her we made the decision that we're just going to cut this down because she's not going
13:16to give us anything else that we need
13:25so i went out to greet him he started asking me very strange questions he wanted me to tell
13:36him graphic details about what had just happened to his wife there are a ton of more relevant things
13:43that i would imagine somebody would want to know you know how are my kids doing can i see my kids
13:50and i just thought that was bizarre
13:54police say 18 year olds sabrina zunich had been with the victim and her family for about a year and a
14:00half everything seemed so normal and then this happens someone finally reaches out and wants you a part of
14:10their family they want to take you in and help you and guide you through life and you kill and you do this
14:30your family and you do that the family and you go and find yourself a lot and you feel free to
14:41figure out the expository for you to get yourself out and you sort of tell yourself a bit i can help you
14:47help me out to your rights you or your friends that you feel free to have you don't have to take
14:50to write it down and the secondly and the secondly and the secondly and the secondly is it that they
14:56would leave the Knafel's house.
14:58Sabrina turned 18 when she was still in high school,
15:01senior in high school, and Kevin really
15:04wanted to keep being her foster father.
15:07I believe it was all agreed upon that Sabrina would stay
15:11at the Knafel house until after she graduated from high school,
15:15which would have been in June the following year.
15:17I was hoping to find some text messages, some emails,
15:28some search history as to why this crime took place.
15:32Over the past several weeks, Kevin Knafel and Sabrina text
15:36messaged each other over 1,000 times.
15:40I did not think it was normal for a foster father
15:43and a foster daughter to have thousands
15:45of text messages between the two of them.
15:50On the night of the murder, Kevin had a perfect alibi.
15:53He was out of town for work, driving his truck in another state.
15:56And that night, there were many texts between the two of them.
16:02So they had been in contact all night up until the murder.
16:15We were confident that Kevin left for work at 8 PM the night before the murder,
16:30and he didn't get back into town until after Lisa's death.
16:33So we want to know from his perspective as to if there was any argument going on at the house before he left.
16:39I told his lawyer that we would just talk about the work, but I was hoping that maybe he would open up and give us some insight
16:50as to what was going on and why the reason that this happened.
16:54Kevin, do you know anything that was happening at the house the night before you left for work that night?
17:01Hang on a second. We just talked about talking about his wife's work.
17:06What's going on at the house the night before is not his wife's work.
17:10He was looking down. There was no tears. There was no anger.
17:29Kevin Knafel was not willing to help the police in finding out exactly what he was doing.
17:40What happened to what happened to his wife? Why is he not cooperating with us? What is he hiding from us?
17:45We're just trying to figure out what happened that night.
17:52We're just trying to figure out what happened that night. I mean, you know, I mean, you know, his wife was brutally murdered here.
18:00I understand. We're trying to help him. You know, he can help us in the investigation.
18:17He wasn't within a hundred miles of the house. I understand that, but he was with them prior to leaving the house, so he can discuss what his, you know, what the house was like prior to him leaving.
18:27He was just very muted and just kind of there staring down most of the time.
18:32It could be a sign of him lying. It could be a sign of nervousness. It could be that, you know, he didn't want to be there.
18:39We're not going to get into, you know, the relationship between Kevin and Lisa. It's just, you've got a bloody hero with a bloody knife.
18:47You know what, I apologize for wasting your time then because...
18:50Well, how about your relationship with any of the other children in the household? I mean, how about your relationship with Sabrina? Did you discuss anything with Dad?
19:00No.
19:01Kevin?
19:02No.
19:03I mean, you can feel free to talk.
19:05He's not aware of something.
19:07I understand, or you can still say what he wants to say, except when I can answer more questions.
19:11Okay. We're done here. Okay.
19:13Kevin refused to answer, and his attorney refused to let him answer.
19:20This interview did bring Kevin even more as a suspect at this point, just for the pure fact that he didn't even have a willingness to want to help the investigators in his wife's brutal murder.
19:32Kevin, according to court records, faced significant money issues. He was in debt.
19:55I would characterize Kevin Knaefel as money hungry. Everything that Kevin did and thought about was about money.
20:12Kevin Knaefel took out approximately $750,000 worth of life insurance on Lisa Knaefel.
20:19Back in April of that year, he terminated his own life insurance and his kid's life insurance, but kept Lisa's life insurance.
20:30He got more than $750,000 after Lisa's death, and he used that to pay on a previously foreclosed upon house.
20:40He used that to buy a new car, to take flying lessons. Records show that he and his mother purchased a $225,000 house in Summerfield, Florida.
20:51Seeing the things that Kevin spent his money on, talking to friends who noticed how cold and indifferent he was about the murder,
21:01and piecing all these things together, it really painted a story.
21:08So,
21:17So, a proffer is a good faith first step, when the defense attorney, the prosecution meet with the suspect,
21:25So a proffer is a good faith first step when the defense attorney, the prosecution meet
21:35with the suspect.
21:36It's an opportunity for them to be 100% complete, honest and tell exactly what happened.
21:42It's a first step into a plea agreement.
21:45We cannot use this against her in court.
21:47What we believe from conversations is that what led up to this homicide, to this murder,
21:55is that there was another party involved in planning that.
21:59Yes.
22:00This is Kevin Knafel, my foster father.
22:05It was Kevin's idea and it was talked about after we were having sexual relations and him
22:15and Lisa were having problems in marriage.
22:17He wanted to get a divorce, but Haley, which is a three year old daughter of his and her
22:22was in the picture and he wanted full custody.
22:26She would get custody or it would be shared and he didn't want that happening.
22:30So the alternative was for this to happen.
22:34When was it after you started to live there on a daily basis that your relationship with
22:39Kevin changed?
22:40When did the sexual nature start to change?
22:44It all started not with sex, but with massages because he was a truck driver and his legs
22:52would cramp.
22:52So it was inner thigh.
22:54Then it progressively got into sex.
22:58Does he ever tell you, hey, you can't tell anybody about this?
23:03All the time.
23:05Did you say what would happen if you told him?
23:07Then you'd be taken out of my care and I could lose my foster parent license.
23:10What did you say in response to that?
23:12I would never do that.
23:13Okay.
23:14Tell on him.
23:15As Sabine and Kevin's relationship continued, Sabine describes the increasing tension she
23:22felt from Lisa and that Sabine felt that she wasn't welcome in the house anymore.
23:29Lisa being in the field of, you know, working for the job and family services in the sex
23:34division, I think she had a pretty good inkling on what was going on.
23:37So then did you think that she was being harsher with you?
23:43Oh, yes.
23:44Okay.
23:45And were you resentful about that?
23:46No.
23:47At this point in time, I was like, no, I need to do this.
23:49I want this to work.
23:50I have all this going on.
23:52I can be successful.
23:53I'm going to get my wildest dreams met.
23:55So Kevin convinced Sabrina that if she did kill Lisa and did get caught, that she would
24:06only do two to five years, that he would protect her and that after she got out, that he would
24:11be there with her.
24:12They would buy a house and basically she can be like a mother figure to Haley.
24:16So when does he start talking to you about divorce?
24:22It was three months before he said, well, look, I'm going to kill myself if she doesn't
24:30leave because I can't deal with this anymore.
24:32And so when he said that, it kind of triggered me.
24:35I was like, no, I don't want that to happen.
24:37And so I was like, okay, I'll do it.
24:40Given Sabrina's history of feeling abandoned and essentially struggling her whole life and
24:46feeling like she was no longer struggling, that brought up great feelings, Sabrina, feelings
24:51that essentially led to the murder.
25:16So have you talked to him?
25:17No.
25:18Nada.
25:19No money on my books, no letters, no calls, no nothing.
25:22Nothing?
25:23Nothing.
25:24That's when we learned that Kevin helped plan this murder.
25:30It was calculated and essentially Kevin using Sabrina to get his wife out of the picture
25:39and to collect life insurance money.
25:44So tell me if you remember the first time you talked about it.
25:49It was brought up in the car on the way to school.
25:54He broke down and cried and said, I'm taking my life or she needs to be dead.
25:59Why doesn't he kill her?
26:01Because then Haley wouldn't have a father.
26:03He'd be out in prison and basically he convinced me that I wouldn't get caught.
26:13Before the actual murder, another plot was supposed to happen.
26:17They were talking about this hit man.
26:19I know you said that you didn't tell anybody that you were planning on killing Lisa.
26:24Can I tell you that I did have somebody else know about it?
26:29And it was Autumn Pavlik.
26:31She knew about it was going to have people from Cleveland do it.
26:36Autumn Pavlik was Sabrina Zunich's friend.
26:40They had met at South High School.
26:43Autumn got roped into the murder plot because Sabrina approached Autumn and asked her if she
26:48can get a hit man.
26:50I guess Autumn used to live down in a different section of town
26:53where she was around that kind of activity.
27:03And how many times would you say that you talked about their plan?
27:06It was all planned in about a month.
27:09All the specifics were two weeks before what was going to happen.
27:13And then during the time when you would see Lisa,
27:16I mean would you think like oh I can't do this.
27:19My heart would beat out of my chest when just thinking about it.
27:24I would, I still sit here in disbelief that I did it.
27:28That's not me.
27:31So when you would have those moments of self doubt,
27:34what would convince you to do it?
27:37That it would be for Haley's best interest.
27:40That's what he manipulated me with.
27:42The plan was me not to get caught and me and him to live together with Haley
27:47and me be a mother figure to her and have a relationship.
27:52Darren is proper.
27:53She seemed very honest with us.
27:55She gave good eye contact with us.
27:57There was no delay in between her answers.
27:59She was very direct.
28:01And was there any discussion about what knife to use?
28:05Yes.
28:06How did that go down?
28:07We went to the kitchen.
28:08He showed me and the knife and which one to use.
28:14It was use this bread knife because there's gripping on it
28:18and there's ridges and it's long.
28:22It's long.
28:29That's the highest number of stab wounds I've ever seen.
28:32So how did you go about that?
28:35I, I can't say I don't remember, but I don't know what came over me
28:41because she got up, she was able to fight it.
28:45And I guess that's what made it to be.
28:47Then why did you stop?
28:48When you realized, oh, this isn't going the way I thought it would.
28:52Because I said, well, it's too late now.
28:54I'm going to go to jail anyway.
28:56The matter is just getting done.
29:02Sabrina's childhood, I believe, is probably the most important thing
29:06to understand why something like this could happen.
29:11Sabrina had never experienced a stable family,
29:15a loving household,
29:19the sense of security,
29:20the sense of belonging.
29:24Kevin seemed to know how to prey on Sabrina's vulnerabilities.
29:26I don't want to see any other vulnerabilities.
29:30.
29:57Myself and chief assistant prosecutor,
29:59Karen went out to California and knocked on her door.
30:03We introduced ourselves, and she says,
30:05I've been expecting you guys.
30:13In later October of 2012,
30:16Autumn Pavlik actually moved out to California,
30:18and that's where she received a phone call
30:21from Sabrina Zunich asking,
30:23are we going to be able to do this Hitman thing?
30:26We confirmed that while Autumn was on the telephone
30:30with Sabrina, Kevin was in the background.
30:33Give us an idea of the number of times
30:35that Sabrina brought up with you about this Hitman.
30:38Like four times.
30:40She'd ask me about it a lot.
30:42But yet, then when Kevin gets on,
30:44I mean, you had to think, wow, this is serious now.
30:48This adult's involved in this.
30:50Were you surprised that he was also talking to you about that?
30:55I was.
30:56I mean, at first I thought, you know,
30:57maybe she's just full of it.
31:00But when he got on the phone that became a reality,
31:03I'm like, okay, well, if I can talk her out of it,
31:06and if I can make it to where him manipulating her
31:09is no longer there, maybe it won't happen.
31:12Deep in Autumn's mind, she said she was never going
31:17to actually get the Hitman.
31:19She was just trying to push it off.
31:21Hopefully that she would just not want to do this.
31:23Would you try to talk sense into her and like,
31:26you know, you don't need to do this?
31:27I would, I would. She would listen.
31:29She was completely set when a person like that
31:32has her mind set inside.
31:34Just remember, you're always, you're always in contact with us.
31:51You know, they can carry you so if you need to say something.
32:05So you have audio and video on the key pop.
32:08Okay.
32:09You don't have to touch anything.
32:10You don't have to do anything to it.
32:12We just want to try to get Autumn to have Kevin
32:14try to talk about the murder of his wife.
32:19Try to get him to talk about their plan of the Hitman
32:22or of the robbery and of the life insurance policy.
32:26Just figured I'd stop over because I've been trying to reach you
32:30and go out here to maybe go see Sabrina
32:35and then just see if I could talk to him.
32:38It's all right.
32:40Try to get past all this crap.
32:43Yeah, me too.
32:45But there's cops that have been contacting my dad
32:49trying to find me and I have no idea what's going on.
32:54What am I supposed to say to them?
32:56Because of the whole like the Hitman thing that we talked about on the phone.
33:03I don't know what to tell you.
33:05If somebody's accusing you of being involved in something
33:08you know you're not involved, you know, you would say something like
33:11what are you talking about?
33:12I have no idea what you're talking about.
33:13You're crazy.
33:14How many times in someone's life do they say that they want to kill somebody?
33:18I don't know what they mean.
33:19But she also said that you and her like collaborated or put together some type of plan.
33:28So you said you haven't talked to her?
33:30No, before it all happened, before everything happened.
33:34If I wanted someone dead, it would have been with a gun because I have a lot of them.
33:42It's just, I mean, if somebody's talking about a Hitman, are you involved in something like that
33:48or are you not involved in something like that?
33:50It's pretty simple.
33:51Now you have to face this situation because, you know, we just didn't know.
33:57I'm not in any situation right now.
34:00Well, of course you are.
34:01You lost your wife and...
34:03Well, that's the situation I'm in.
34:05We gotta keep going.
34:30I got an arrest warrant for Kevin Knaefel.
34:34Early in the morning, we went to Kevin Knaefel's house and we arrested him.
34:39I don't think he was surprised.
34:42It was kind of weird because he was sleeping up in the bedroom where it was Sabrina's room.
34:46So we're good to go around?
34:59Yes, sir.
35:00We would like you to talk to us to give us an insight on some things.
35:07We have a lot of facts as to your involvement in this case.
35:13And we would like to know your side of the story and what happened.
35:20Kevin, on a superficial public perception layer, seemed like an upstanding person.
35:25You know, he's working hard, taking care of a foster child.
35:30Tell us about bad days.
35:31Bad days.
35:32Bad days.
35:33Bad days.
35:34Bad days.
35:35You know, you started out with Megan and Sabrina getting into it.
35:37You know?
35:38Yeah.
35:39How's everything going?
35:40How's everything going?
35:41Um...
35:42Had it...
35:43Um...
35:44Good days and then it's bad days.
35:45Kevin, on a superficial public perception layer, seemed like an upstanding person.
35:49You know?
35:50You know?
35:51He's working hard, taking care of a foster child.
35:54Tell us about bad days.
35:56Hmm?
35:57Bad days.
35:58You started out with Megan and Sabrina getting into it.
36:04Or Sabrina, either not getting away about something and reacting to that or, uh, doing
36:11something wrong, having to be done after.
36:14Who would step in and correct her?
36:17Would it be you or would it be Lisa?
36:20It was equal.
36:21Okay.
36:22Um...
36:23It got to the point to where Lisa got really frustrated and...
36:28Wow.
36:29So we made the decisions for Lisa to just deal with Megan and I dealt with Sabrina.
36:36So, if you could elaborate more on how your relationship with Sabrina developed and evolved.
36:49Remember Kevin, we asked him for the truth when we came... came here.
36:55If we're getting into all this stuff, aren't I supposed to have my lawyer here?
37:01It's your decision.
37:02You know you have a choice in the matter.
37:04Oh, I already have.
37:06But an attorney on record, I think he should be here for all this.
37:10Well, if I can see you next.
37:11I'm only gonna say the truth.
37:12You know, we have the evidence.
37:13I have an 11-count indictment here.
37:14And I want to discuss the whole thing, you know, the whole puzzle.
37:15You know, each piece of the puzzle we put together for the last eight months.
37:16And...
37:17Now, we have the evidence.
37:18So, you have to widen the road, you have to make a decision.
37:20Your choice to make, Calvin.
37:21I should have to go here for a two.
37:22That's his right.
37:23I mean, his right is to stop, not answer any question without an attorney.
37:46All right, go ahead and stand up.
37:47I'm gonna pat you down.
37:48We've done the right thing and we had the right person.
38:01Kevin Knaepel was 100% involved.
38:03All right, come with me.
38:07A Lake County grand jury indicted the man for plotting to kill Lisa with help from his
38:19foster child.
38:20But that's not all.
38:21He's also accused of sexual battery for having relationship with that child.
38:34The charges were conspiracy to commit aggravated murder, complicity to commit aggravated murder,
38:47and there was multiple sexual battery charges.
38:51Sabrina explained later that she turned against Kevin because she felt abandoned by Kevin,
38:57who promised to take care of her after the murders.
39:01She believed her life was gonna be better after Lisa was out of the picture, but ultimately
39:06being in jail on these charges and feeling abandoned by Kevin for not protecting her, she decided
39:14to speak up.
39:16We have a 44-year-old man with no prior criminal record, no prior criminal history.
39:23But we also have a 41-year-old woman who was a mother to two, a sister to one, and a wife
39:31who was brutally murdered.
39:33In my opinion, the verdict came very quickly.
39:45The jury came up with a guilty verdict.
39:48I believe it took a matter of about two days.
40:07It felt very gratifying to me for the long work and hard work that myself, our police department,
40:26and our prosecuting team, have put into this case.
40:29Kevin Knaefel is a sexual predator.
40:32He was no better than the people that sexually abused the kids that Lisa was trying to help.
40:37He was killed now.
40:52Did you stay after her?
40:53You caught her if I understand her.
40:54Is that correct?
40:55Yes, sir.
40:56On multiple occasions, correct?
40:58Yes, Your Honor.
40:59And you paused her now.
41:00Is that it?
41:01Yes, sir.
41:02Yes, sir.
41:13Yes, sir.
41:15Sabrina Zunich has been sentenced to 30 years in prison for stabbing her foster mother,
41:20Lisa Knopfel, to death earlier this year.
41:23Police said Zunich was involved in a love affair with her stepfather.
41:27She pleaded guilty to a count of aggravated murder.
41:29Her sentence does carry the possibility of parole.
41:34Sabrina Zunich was given a 30-year sentence, and that's when she would be eligible for
41:40parole.
41:41So if she could do more time, it kind of depends on her behavior, why she is currently in prison.
41:47Based on Sabrina's upbringing, and based on Kevin's grooming, it kind of felt to me like
41:55she didn't have control over this.
41:58Because I don't think she learned right from wrong from the people, the adults in her life.
42:07I feel bad for Sabrina because I think she's also a victim in this case, even though she's
42:13the main suspect in this case, but I feel bad that she was taken advantage of by a grown
42:18adult that should know better.
42:29When you think back to the type of person Lisa is, it just makes it that much worse.
42:36To have your life taken by somebody that you reached out to help is unfathomable to think
42:42about.
42:46When a person dies, it has a ripple effect on everybody.
42:51It causes so much pain for their children, for the people who love Lisa, for the kids
42:57who will no longer be helped because Lisa's not here.
42:59It causes so much pain when somebody like that dies.
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