Interrogation Raw Season 1 Episode 10

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Interrogation Raw Season 1 Episode 10

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00:00I came home, there's so much blood.

00:09Where is the blood coming from?

00:11It's everyone, I don't know.

00:13A vicious crime.

00:14Just blood on the house and he was laying in the shower?

00:17Nixon had been stabbed with a pair of scissors.

00:20His partner overcome with grief.

00:22Brother!

00:24Details of an intense sexual relationship emerge.

00:28We'd like to put belts around each other's necks.

00:30He and Mr. Nixon inflicted pain on each other.

00:33I'm trying to look for a reasonable explanation.

00:36Investigators searching for answers in the interrogation room.

00:40I mean, you know what murder is.

00:42F*** him.

00:53Every suspect accused of a crime has the right to remain silent.

00:57Many agree to be interrogated anyway, but they can stop the interview at any moment, making

01:04it a race against time.

01:08Justice hangs in the balance.

01:109-1-1, what's the location of your emergency?

01:24Hey, 306, 306 C, two-mile drive.

01:28My boyfriend's unresponsive.

01:30Okay, I had some poke moves inside of himself.

01:33And he's laying, I put him in the shower to revive him.

01:36He's not revivable.

01:37Please help me.

01:38Please, please, please.

01:39Tell me the address.

01:40Tell me the address.

01:41What do I do?

01:42What do I do?

01:44Help you.

01:44No, I need my boyfriend.

01:46Ryan!

01:47What happened?

01:49Help!

01:50I don't know.

01:51I came home in so much blood.

01:52Our local 9-1-1 center received a call from Ryan Lamb stating that his significant other,

02:04Ryan Nixon, had been assaulted and requested medical assistance.

02:10Ryan!

02:10Where is the blood coming from?

02:12I love you!

02:13Why?

02:14Where is the blood coming from?

02:16It's everywhere!

02:18I don't know!

02:18Please help!

02:20Please help!

02:20I don't know!

02:24He had some stab wounds!

02:26Like, there's, like, poke wounds on him!

02:28I don't know!

02:30Did he shoot you?

02:31No!

02:32No!

02:32He was fighting with his...

02:34Oh, my God!

02:34Ryan!

02:35Ryan!

02:40Yes!

02:46I need my own man!

02:48Okay, come here.

02:49Yes!

02:50Walk with me.

02:50Oh, my God!

02:52No!

02:53Baby!

02:56Oh, my gosh!

02:57Please!

02:58Ryan Lamb was uncontrollably emotional, screaming, yelling, crying, just wailing.

03:06Blah!

03:07All right, right.

03:08Oh!

03:09They determined that for safety's sake, he needed to be handcuffed and removed from the scene.

03:14Please!

03:16Please!

03:16Okay.

03:17It just came home.

03:18As the police entered the unit, they could see blood on the doorstep and on the landing.

03:36They said that the apartment was in disarray.

03:40It appeared as if there had been some sort of altercation.

03:43There was blood on the bed, blood on the floor.

03:48You could see footmarks and fingerprints on the linoleum.

03:54Once they got into the bathroom, they found Ryan Nixon in the bathtub in a semi-seated position

04:01with the water running.

04:02I think he was only clothed in his underwear.

04:06Mr. Lamb had reported that Mr. Nixon had poke holes in him.

04:11We later learned that those were the result of being stabbed with a pair of scissors that

04:16we found in the residence.

04:18Ultimately, it was determined that Ryan Nixon was deceased.

04:33Ryan Nixon is my little brother.

04:35We are two years apart from each other.

04:41Ryan was so kind.

04:46So kind.

04:48He had a big heart.

04:51I wouldn't want anyone else to grow up with.

04:53I have three children that he loved tremendously.

05:00They talked to their Uncle Ryan all the time.

05:03I talked to him all the time.

05:06He would do anything for me, and I would do anything for him.

05:12He was literally my ride or die.

05:20He was working at a local restaurant in Kalispell, Montana.

05:23He loved to cook, but she got that from my mom.

05:27I see him standing in my kitchen cooking, and he sang, oh, God, but he sang out of tune.

05:33He would take a spoonful of something and, here, taste this, taste this, taste this.

05:37And you'd tell him, no, I don't want to taste this.

05:39You finish cooking it or whatever, and then I'll taste it.

05:42No, taste this.

05:43He was always a jokester.

05:45He'd like to hide behind the doors and jump out and scare you and stuff.

05:48Ryan Edward Nixon was 31 years old when he passed away.

05:55And really, after that, life kind of became a blur.

05:58I remember things moving around me and things happening, but as far as exactly what it was,

06:04and I'm still kind of to that point.

06:08I mean, I'm trying to get along with life every day, but some days are harder than others.

06:15Some days, hmm, some days I don't do at all.

06:21I'm trying to deal with it, and a lot of it I haven't got to deal with.

06:25No, we...

06:26I don't want to do what my mind says, and I've got to control it, and I miss my son.

06:52No!

06:56Oh, my God, Papa!

07:04Oh, my God, no!

07:07No!

07:12Ryan Lamb was in our, what we call, booking area.

07:15When we're initially bringing somebody in, we put them down there,

07:19and it's audio and visually recorded.

07:23Oh, my God!

07:29His emotional state seemed like it was consistent with someone

07:33that would have recently encountered a traumatic situation.

07:37He kept repeating what we later learned was a pet name that he had for Mr. Nixon.

07:43He called him Bubba.

07:45Bubba!

07:47Bubba!

07:52Bubba!

07:53When someone's super emotional and we're conducting interviews,

07:59you have to be patient and show some compassion and empathy, sympathy

08:05to what they're going through.

08:06I approached it from an informational standpoint and asked him,

08:26what can you tell us about this situation, do you know who did this?

08:32So, Ryan, I know that you've told the other officers kind of what took place,

08:37but I'm sorry I wasn't there for that.

08:41Can you tell me from start to finish?

08:43I just recall, like, coming in and there was, like, blood all over the student

08:47and he was, like, cracked his nose or something.

08:50And I go in and he was laying right on, uh, the kitchen.

08:55There's a wall that separates the kitchen from the living room.

08:58He was laying up against that and he had scissors in his belly

09:01and he was bleeding really heavily from the back of his head.

09:06How did his head get cut?

09:07I don't know, there was blood on the back of his head when he made it up on the wall.

09:16And he just called for help and, like, I didn't, he said it was fine.

09:22It was fine.

09:24Ryan said it was fine.

09:26He said he was totally, like, conscious and, like, talking to me

09:30and said it was fine.

09:32Mr. Lamb said that they didn't have a functioning cell phone,

09:35so his first thought was to run to a local gas station,

09:41which is quite a distance away,

09:43probably half a mile or three-quarters of a mile

09:46from where the apartment was, to utilize the phone.

09:50I guess common sense tells me that

09:52if you have somebody that has a pair of scissors sticking out of their stomach

09:56and has an injury to the back of the head,

09:59why didn't you go to a neighbor's immediately

10:01and ask to use the phone to call 911?

10:03Tell me what happened next.

10:05I tried to call my, um, my dad

10:08because he works at the hospital,

10:11and he would just, he would know what the severity is,

10:16and I tried to call my mom.

10:18Lamb's accounting of what took place,

10:21there were a lot of strange occurrences.

10:24Why would you be calling your parents

10:26in an emergent situation

10:28when you describe that, you know,

10:30he's got blood gushing out of his stomach?

10:32I get a shower, and he was really responsive,

10:35and so I started banging on every door I could find.

10:40The process of an interview is a chess match,

10:45and, you know, you can't make one sweeping movement

10:49and expect to resolve the whole situation.

10:53I have a role to play,

10:55and I let them tell their story.

10:57Well, it's been, like, 15 minutes now,

11:01because I've been trying to get a hold of my dad and my mom.

11:06Um, and I said I'd be right back.

11:10And I went home,

11:12and he was in the shower,

11:14and he was totally unresponsive,

11:16and so I started banging on every door I could find,

11:20because I didn't know how bad it was.

11:23And I had used Jean's phone,

11:28because she'd finally open the door,

11:29and he called 911,

11:30and I was on 911 the whole time

11:32until, um, bumps or stuff up.

11:35Where does Jean live?

11:37She lives literally in the apartment wall over.

11:42There was some disparity in statements

11:44that Mr. Lam had made.

11:46He had disclosed to the 911 dispatcher

11:49that he helped Mr. Nixon into the bathtub.

11:52I put him in the shower to revive him.

11:54He's not revivable.

11:56Please help me.

11:57And then later on in the interview with me,

11:59he said when he returned from the gas station,

12:02Mr. Nixon was already in the tub.

12:04And I went home,

12:05and he was in the shower,

12:08and he was totally unresponsive.

12:10So there were a number of things there

12:12that led me to believe that Mr. Lam

12:15was being less than credible.

12:17I think he was accustomed to trying

12:19to pull the wool over people's eyes,

12:21but that wasn't going to happen with us.

12:30Good evening.

12:31We begin tonight in Kalispell,

12:32where one man is dead

12:33after an apparent stabbing early this morning.

12:36The victim's name is not being released

12:37at this time, pending family notification.

12:39On August 5th, 2018, I got a phone call from my mom.

12:48She was crying.

12:50She was like...

12:51Ryan was hurt badly.

12:55I thought the paramedics were working on him.

12:57I thought there was blood everywhere.

12:59The minute I hung up the phone with my mom,

13:05I knew in my soul,

13:08I knew my brother was dead.

13:10How long have you taken out of bed?

13:28Three and one of the years.

13:31How long did you meet?

13:34You came to my house?

13:35You guys have a pretty solid relationship?

13:44Yeah.

13:47Yeah.

13:48Yeah.

13:48Mr. Lamb was claiming it was somebody else

14:12that had done this.

14:13He disclosed to one of the patrol officers

14:16that he had seen,

14:18or there was some information

14:20regarding Nixon's prior partner,

14:24David De La Rosa,

14:25may have perpetrated the assault on Mr. Nixon.

14:29Has Ryan been in contact with David recently?

14:32Yes.

14:34How recently?

14:35Um, what can the last couple of days?

14:39Ryan had mentioned

14:40that some old ghosts of the past are coming up.

14:45Initially, you told the other officers

14:49that you saw David there fighting.

14:52I never said he saw Dave fighting there with him.

14:56I never have said that.

14:58There was some disparity in statements

15:01that Mr. Lamb had made at the scene.

15:03I'm David De La Rosa.

15:08Stating he saw David De La Rosa do it

15:10or David De La Rosa was there.

15:12He was refuting that once he was in the booking area.

15:16It caused some consternation with Mr. Lamb.

15:19So I wanted to back away from that

15:21because from an interview standpoint,

15:24it can be hugely detrimental

15:25if you start accusing somebody.

15:29So Ryan, the other thing,

15:31I noticed you didn't have something

15:32that Ryan's bullet on you.

15:34Yeah, it was, um, I tried to revive him

15:36because he was spitting blood out of his mouth

15:39and suddenly he said he was fine

15:41and I ran to Michael's to go to use the phone

15:43and I called my mom who works at the hospital,

15:46I called my dad who works at the hospital.

15:48He was very animated with the hand slapping

15:51and, uh, like he was trying to make a point

15:55and methodically going through the steps

15:58of what he was talking about.

16:00The reason that we're concerned

16:01is based on what you're telling us,

16:03there's a potential that, uh,

16:06this David De La Rosa's blood

16:08is intermingled with that, okay?

16:11And if that's the case,

16:12we want to collect that stuff

16:13so that way we have it as evidence, okay?

16:18Yes, sir.

16:19Okay.

16:20His reaction and the way he was speaking and stuff

16:24changed when I brought up

16:25the idea of collecting the blood.

16:29His elbows are on his knees there,

16:31he's a little more hunched over,

16:33he's way more subdued.

16:35I would say that it was a moment of recognition for him.

16:40He probably realized

16:41that we weren't just gonna go with it

16:44and accept his story.

16:46Okay.

16:47David De La Rosa.

16:49Do you know where we can find David at?

16:52No, we're right.

16:53Give me that, give me that location first, please.

16:56Give me five minutes away.

16:58What, what would you do to him?

17:00Nothing.

17:02Nothing he has in the middle of.

17:06Okay.

17:07I'll get you a bottle of water.

17:08We've learned that David was actually at his residence

17:1890 miles from Kalispell.

17:20So based on the time and distance,

17:22that excluded David as a suspect.

17:25When I watched lamb down in our booking area,

17:38I guess what I thought was,

17:51it was somewhat theatrical.

17:54No, you're gonna be home, I know it.

17:59No, you're gonna be home.

18:02You're gonna be home.

18:03You have to rely on sometimes instincts,

18:07sometimes training, life experience.

18:10It was apparent to me that he was accustomed to

18:13using theatrics to manipulate people.

18:17Oh my God.

18:19Oh my God.

18:20No.

18:21I have to say this about Mr. Lamb.

18:24He's a damn good actor.

18:26No.

18:34A man who was stabbed to death

18:36in a Kalispell apartment complex over the weekend

18:38has been identified.

18:40It seems like it was still yesterday.

18:43I just wish he was here.

18:47I miss hearing him laugh in my house.

18:49I just miss him.

18:55Randy has some Orion around his neck.

18:59Here.

19:00And this right here.

19:02Some of his ashes.

19:03I have one I carry at my purse.

19:07I didn't get to say goodbye.

19:09And that's probably one of the hardest things,

19:12is not being able to say goodbye.

19:19We got inside of your shirt there.

19:25It looks like you got a rose from the other night.

19:33At least one of the patrol officers that had interaction with Lam and myself recognized

19:51that there were some marks on his chest and abdomen.

19:54The marks to me look like a four-pronged fork.

19:58I believe one of the patrol officers asked him about that, and initially he said it's

20:04not relevant.

20:05He said it's a rash.

20:07Can you unbutton your shirt so I can see that?

20:10There were a couple of them that had fresh blood as a result of the poke marks, which

20:16told me that they were fairly recent.

20:18So it was not normal, in my opinion, and I wanted to know why.

20:24What's that from?

20:26It looks like a fork.

20:28Yeah.

20:29What's it from?

20:30Well, it's really sex.

20:31It's really sex.

20:32OK.

20:33So we like to put belts around each other's necks, and we're .

20:35Sometimes we would immobilize, completely restrain, get it on.

20:41That's what we're into.

20:43Yeah.

20:44Yeah.

20:45Yeah.

20:46Yeah.

20:47Yeah.

20:48Yeah.

20:49Yeah.

20:50Yeah.

20:51Yeah.

20:52Yeah.

20:53Yeah.

20:54Yeah.

20:55Yeah.

20:56Yeah.

20:57He divulged additional information regarding sexual acts that he and Mr. Nixon had engaged

21:04in.

21:05I suspect it was because he thought maybe it would take me off guard and shock me.

21:12And then I would switch gears and not talk about that subject any further.

21:17So I conveyed to Mr. Lamb, this isn't the first time that I've heard about these types of things.

21:24Not too much shocks or surprises me.

21:25Not too much shocks or surprises me.

21:27OK.

21:28A number of years ago, I went to a call and the male half had a stab wound in the back.

21:37What they had heard was that if you inflict a little pain during the sexual encounter, that it intensifies things.

21:49So, my goal in sharing the story about the other couple was to, I guess, explain to Mr.

21:55Lamb that whatever he chose to share with me, I wasn't going to judge him for it.

22:02And also maybe to set the stage a little bit that in the event that this was a terrible, horrific accident,

22:10that he would feel more comfortable telling me about that.

22:15So, here's the difficult question that I was going to ask you just a little bit ago.

22:21Is it possible that something similar happened tonight?

22:26So, just so I'm straight, it wasn't an argument between you two or it wasn't a sexual encounter between

22:37the two that caused the scissors.

22:44What do you mean by that?

22:46Well, I have to ask you if you were the one that stabbed Brian.

22:50Open my .

22:53OK?

22:54No.

22:55OK.

22:56Forgive me, I have to ask.

22:57Crazy.

22:58I could tell immediately he got confrontational and said it was crazy and how could I say that?

23:07So, I backed off at that point with that because those are the critical moments during an interview

23:14where you can lose somebody.

23:16They can completely shut down and tell you, buzz off, I'm not talking to you any further.

23:21OK.

23:22One of the neighbors upstairs to Nixon's apartment told me that she heard two people arguing.

23:42One of the voices said, you stabbed me in the chest.

23:46The other voice said, well, you stabbed me with a fork.

23:51Obviously, that was significant to me because Lamb had fork marks on his chest and abdomen

23:58and Nixon had been stabbed in the chest with a pair of scissors.

24:03Learning that information as well as other things that I had gleaned from the interview,

24:08I was fairly confident that Lamb had played a role in Mr. Nixon's death.

24:27I went back over to the apartment there and took a look at things.

24:31I'm trying to look for a reasonable explanation how this could have happened.

24:36Well, I talked with two neighbors and one of the neighbors told me that they heard people arguing

25:04and this was the specific conversation that they heard.

25:10One person said, I can't believe you stabbed me.

25:13The other person said, oh, yeah? Well, you stabbed me with a fork.

25:19Obviously, he had fork marks on his chest.

25:23To me, this is a huge, huge moment.

25:26Just to see what his reaction is and what he's going to offer as a possible explanation to it.

25:34Who has stabbed marks from a fork?

25:38So I think we need to have a little more truthful conversation.

25:44I'm being truthful about this. This is a few days ago. This is during our creepy sex acts that we did.

25:51Obviously, somebody in that apartment was talking about being stabbed and then the other person said,

25:57well, yeah, but you stabbed me with a fork.

25:59You know? And I think the average person would conclude that that was probably you and Ryan talking.

26:09No, because I didn't. I wasn't there for any of this. I saw . I came in and seen Ryan on this.

26:25This is so crazy.

26:28Here's where we're at with this. I just talked with the county attorney's office.

26:47And based on the information I have, we're going to be charging you with deliberate homicide.

26:53Oh, my God.

26:56Yeah.

27:01Whoa.

27:03Whoa.

27:09Whoa.

27:11No way.

27:13Yeah.

27:14Oh, my gosh.

27:15I think that Mr. Lam's reaction, he was legitimately shocked.

27:20I think that he thought he could throw up some smoke and mirrors and he'd be walking out of the back door of the police department that day.

27:28And that didn't happen.

27:33He was just continually pacing.

27:35And to me, it seemed as if he was kind of calculating a response and trying to figure out what he could tell me that would minimize the consequence for him.

27:49Is there anything I could say now that would alter what you, what I'm being charged with?

27:55Yes, absolutely.

27:56I can't give you ideas. You know, I mean, we've talked about different scenarios, you know.

28:04I mean, the truth is always a good option.

28:11Truth is always a good option.

28:12And then, you go to autopsy and it shows, yeah, that wouldn't suck because, like, that's where it's coming, like, when it's coming.

28:23So let me ask you this, okay?

28:26This is a big, big question, okay?

28:31Do you trust me?

28:33Do you trust that I'm going to do the right thing?

28:38Okay?

28:39Do you think I've lied to you today?

28:41No.

28:42Okay.

28:43Do you think I've tried to manipulate you?

28:45No.

28:46Okay.

28:47So if that level of trust exists, okay, then why don't you tell me what happened and we'll work through it.

28:58At that point, I've paired myself with Lamb.

29:02When I told him, if you trust me, I want you to tell me what happened and we will work through it.

29:10So that way it's not adversarial, I'm not against him, we're on the same side.

29:16And the same side is about truth.

29:19But here's the thing, is that I've got to have 100% truth, okay?

29:25It can't be bits and pieces and then come back a few more times, because we've kind of already done that.

29:31I know.

29:32You know?

29:33So, um...

29:34I think I was so scared.

29:36That's the way it looks.

29:38Like, it looks different.

29:40I'm so scared of that.

29:42Yep.

29:44Go ahead and just, like, charge me with that.

29:48And I'm just, like, it's shot.

29:50Because it's...

29:51Okay.

29:52Like, it's so gone.

29:54At this point, I felt we were moving towards a confession.

29:59It's just, how much is he going to divulge to me?

30:02And when is that going to happen?

30:03You know?

30:04Kill him.

30:05Kill him.

30:06Kill him.

30:07Kill him.

30:08But there's circumstances that have occurred that make it look that way.

30:26Or at least at this point.

30:27Ryan Lamb is walking back and forth, back and forth, pacing back and forth.

30:35Many police officers would demand that he sit down.

30:38It's a safety concern.

30:40I don't want you pacing back and forth.

30:41You're making me nervous.

30:42Sit down.

30:43And what would happen is he'd shut down.

30:44He wouldn't talk.

30:46Oh, my gosh.

30:47Oh, my gosh.

30:48Oh, my gosh.

30:49Oh, my gosh.

31:05He'd shut down, he wouldn't talk.

31:07Oh, my gosh.

31:08Oh, my gosh.

31:12OK?

31:13No intentions, no plans.

31:17Killer hearing I'm blank.

31:18OK?

31:22So walk me through what happened.

31:24I think that he's using this time frame

31:26to kind of calculate his next move

31:29and to try and figure out, what can I tell the officer,

31:33whether it's semi-factual, factual,

31:36or completely contrived, to get myself

31:39out of this situation.

31:42If you tell me what happened, you know,

31:46we're both going to take a deep breath.

31:48Just wait a minute.

31:50Let me try and wrap my head around it.

31:53And then we'll discuss it again.

31:55OK?

31:57Like, you saying, like, deliberate homicide,

31:59just, like, it's so wrong.

32:04OK?

32:05So help me understand.

32:06I feel like, God, it's so grossly wrong.

32:13OK?

32:15I haven't, like, said anything to you that can make you think

32:19that, like, I didn't, like, deliberately kill my partner.

32:24I haven't said anything that makes you think otherwise,

32:26if you still see it as deliberate homicide.

32:35As the interview ebbed and flowed,

32:38it's not uncommon for people who've committed crimes

32:42to try and distance themselves from the scenario.

32:47Even when it gets to a point where there's no refuting

32:51that they were involved, they'll try and minimize

32:54their involvement in it or offer a varying shade

32:58of what took place.

33:00Well, if Ryan, like, fell in the shower and hit his head,

33:05that would mean I'm still getting charged

33:06with deliberate homicide then?

33:09No, not necessarily.

33:12He's trying to mitigate what the consequences

33:14are going to be for him.

33:15Obviously, from an investigative standpoint,

33:18I want the truth.

33:19Don't float theories to me.

33:22Either you're going to tell me the truth or we're done.

33:27I'll glean my information from other aspects

33:30of the investigation.

33:33So I'm asking you, I'm begging you here,

33:36please explain to me what happened.

33:38So I have a clear picture, you know, of what took place.

33:45You know, I mean, otherwise, I got to go based

33:48on the facts that I have.

33:51Understood.

33:52You know?

33:53And so I can see where you, you know, I say,

33:58well, were you guys arguing then?

34:01And you say, no, we weren't.

34:02Okay.

34:03Well, I can see another avenue, another option

34:07that could exist based on what you've told me

34:10about your guys' sex life.

34:13We all have freaking weird sex.

34:15Yeah.

34:16We like to push each other a little bit.

34:20The violent sex scenario was there.

34:23It was an option.

34:25I wanted to know specifically how it took place.

34:29You know, fill in the gaps for me.

34:33He was poking me with the fork.

34:35It was getting hotter and hotter.

34:38It's gotten really hard right there in the nipple.

34:40Okay?

34:41It's really, really hard.

34:42Okay?

34:45He was gonna, he wanted to use the scissors on me.

34:50And I was too scared.

34:53I just wanted him to keep talking.

34:55Every exchange, there was a little bit more

34:57and a little bit more.

34:59I think that, mentally, he was just preparing himself

35:03for it.

35:04Psychologically, he had to overcome whatever hurdles

35:08he had in his mind.

35:12Damn.

35:13I mean, you know what murder is.

35:25Yes.

35:26You know?

35:27You do.

35:27I did not murder.

35:28Okay.

35:32Did you do anything that you think would have caused his death?

35:36No.

35:37Okay.

35:38No, I really don't.

35:43Beard sex.

35:50Fear of the sex.

35:56We were.

35:57Foreplay.

35:58We were like, we weren't having sex.

36:00It was a, it's consensual.

36:04It was a consensual thing we were doing.

36:09you're doing. Sure. We're just taking to extremes when we're trying. Okay.

36:21I just don't know. Just don't get some deliberate homicide then. Mr. Lamb is just throwing me

36:28little bits, little bits. Is that enough, Jim? Do I need to give you some more to get you to buy in?

36:34Is that enough, Jim? Did I get off the deliberate homicide hook? So I knew I had more work to do.

36:41So you said that he wanted to use the scissors on you, and you said no. So then you used them on him.

36:48I let him move the fork on me. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And then you used the scissors on him.

36:57And where did you, you said that, where did you poke him at with the scissors?

37:02I think the first one is, like, the one first side. Okay. Let's do the same one. Yeah.

37:10I think I got his belly fat. Right here. Okay.

37:14I poked him too hard. I poked him too hard. Maybe his head or I poked him in the back of the head. I'm not sure.

37:28I poked him. So how did the blood get out by the front door? How did that happen?

37:38He got up, like, looking for me. Okay.

37:42Because I didn't leave him. I didn't leave him in the shower. I didn't leave him anywhere near the bathroom.

37:46Like, I was right there by the clothes, and it was just so much blood. And then it started, like, getting really, like, just on the back of his head right there.

37:59I thought he had, like, banged his head, or maybe I poked him in the neck or something.

38:03When he confessed to killing Mr. Nixon, it was somewhat of a relief for him.

38:11You're probably not tricking me to get something for me. Like, I really, this is such, like, an accident. It's gone, like, so bad.

38:19Okay. Is there anything that you're leaving out that you haven't told me?

38:25I don't think I was being entirely truthful at the beginning of this, because I didn't want it to look like, like, the blood you charged me with, like, delivered.

38:40So I think I was panicking and, like, just so scared of that.

38:44Yeah.

38:44The confession is one of the few times that I'm seeing some true emotion from him that it's not orchestrated.

38:59Mr. Lamb admits that he lied, and the reason he lied is because he was fearful of the consequences.

39:08Oh, my God.

39:12My mama.

39:14Mr. Lamb used the scissors on Nixon, and he said he didn't intend to harm him as bad as he did, or certainly not kill him.

39:26Based on the information I had learned through the investigation, had Ryan Lamb called for help sooner, there was a possibility that Ryan Nixon could have been saved.

39:35The autopsy revealed that there was a fractured rib.

39:58The sternum was fractured also, and then internal organs were damaged, causing Mr. Nixon to bleed to death.

40:08The prosecutor felt that that warranted deliberate homicide because the level of force that was used.

40:14Lam and his defense attorneys claimed at trial is that it was a domestic violence situation where Nixon attacked Lam with the fork, and Lam was defending himself with a pair of scissors.

40:41At that point, our hearts had dropped because we thought that it was going to be over that day.

40:55When we were done, we were done, we could have that sigh of relief, okay, we can move forward, we can heal, we can, you know, have some sort of peace.

41:04Um, we didn't get that.

41:08Lam took an Alford plea, and what that means is Lam wasn't owning up to any culpability in this situation, but felt that if the case were tried again, that he would likely be found guilty.

41:35It's never as clear-cut or obvious as people think with a confession, but I'm happy with the job that we did.

41:46I feel satisfied with our investigation in this case, and I don't want to sound arrogant or boastful, but I would challenge any other investigator to do more.

41:57I did speak at the sentencing, and I spoke directly to Ryan Lam.

42:14I made eye contact with him the whole time, I wanted him to feel my hurt, to feel my family's hurt, and I wanted him to know that he took our light away from us.