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00:07Hola y bienvenidos a The Ring, Euronews' weekly debate show,
00:12broadcasting here from the European Parliament in Brussels.
00:16On The Ring, elected members of the European Parliament
00:19go face-to-face on some of the biggest issues facing the European Union.
00:24Today we're focusing on migration,
00:26with new rules that allow deportation centres to be set up outside EU borders.
00:30Luis Albertos has more.
00:34On the 26th of March, the European Parliament adopted a reform
00:38enabling member states to set up migration return hubs
00:42in third countries for rejected asylum seekers.
00:46The measure marks a significant hardening of EU migration policy,
00:50allowing deportations to external facilities negotiated with partner states.
00:55The vote unfolded against escalating turmoil in the Middle East
00:58that has led to massive displacement in the region.
01:01In Lebanon alone, over one million people have been forced to flee their homes,
01:06according to the UN's International Organization for Migration.
01:11Although large-scale onward migration to Europe remains unlikely,
01:15the EU is moving towards stricter migration policies.
01:18In this context, German Chancellor Friedrich Merz faced widespread backlash
01:23after stating that over the longer term of the next three years,
01:2780% of the Syrians currently in Germany should return to their homeland.
01:33What does the European Parliament's rightward shift on migration mean for the future of asylum?
01:38And can the EU balance stricter migration policies with growing human rights concerns?
01:47They're the questions that we have for our contenders.
01:50Let's meet them.
01:52Lena Dupont, a German MEP from the Central-Right European People's Party.
01:57She serves on the Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs.
02:01Regarding returns in the third country concept, she said,
02:04The EU must speed up the rejection of clearly unfounded asylum applications.
02:09By applying the safe third country concept and an EU list of safe countries of origin,
02:13asylum procedures become faster and more efficient, while protecting those in real need.
02:19Juan Fernando López Aguilar, a Spanish MEP from the Socialists and Democrats Group.
02:24He serves in the Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs,
02:27and is one of the European Parliament's most influential figures on migration and asylum policy.
02:32Before being an MEP, he served as Spain's Minister of Justice.
02:37Migration is a fact.
02:39It is not a threat.
02:40And walls are not the answer,
02:42said López Aguilar, highlighting the need to manage migration while respecting human rights.
02:48Juan Fernando López Aguilar and Lena Dupont, welcome to The Ring.
02:52The aim here is to give our viewers a glimpse of your debates inside the European Parliament,
02:57so you should feel right at home.
02:59So, look, let's pick up on that vote on these return hubs.
03:03You voted in favour.
03:04You say it's the missing piece of the puzzle.
03:06Why?
03:06Well, because it is the missing piece of the puzzle.
03:09We invested quite heavily in the previous term in the so-called Asylum and Migration Policy Pact,
03:14so the new Pact on Asylum and Migration.
03:16And that was always the missing part to that pact.
03:19It has been part of it before.
03:21It was taken out for political reasons, because we were not able to find an agreement.
03:24And in this term, we really need to make sure that this last missing piece of a pact is indeed
03:31implemented.
03:32But on the other hand, we've seen bodies like the Council of Europe warning that these hubs could create human
03:37rights black holes.
03:39Juan Fernando, what is your view here?
03:40Of course, we are concerned.
03:42Return hubs are not the answer, particularly when they are outside the borders of the European Union.
03:49Return hubs have no guarantees of respect to fundamental rights.
03:52They are not consistent with EU law.
03:53They are not consistent with the architecture we put in place when we adopted the Migration and Asylum Pact.
03:58And, of course, they give the chance to member states to, for an economic compensation,
04:04to some kind of a ruler outside the European Union, keep migrants out of our sight.
04:10And that's not the idea.
04:11Lena Dumont, how do you address these concerns?
04:13Well, first of all, your concerns were not just basically neglected or ignored.
04:18There have been part of the discussions.
04:19You have been, and your group have been on the table as well, but you decided to leave.
04:24You also did not support the compromise, for example, from the liberal rapporteur.
04:30And that was also not only about return hubs.
04:32Indeed, return hubs are in there, but still in the parliament's mandate, we have the article on the fundamental rights,
04:38which are the basic assumption for the whole concept as such.
04:42We are speaking about security cases.
04:44We are speaking about really bringing the resources of the member states together with that of the European Union
04:50to make sure that afterwards more than one in five returnees actually is returned, which is the current case.
04:56But how can you be sure there will be oversight?
04:57On the return hubs as such, it's always based on agreements and arrangements, which are bilateral or trilateral, multilateral.
05:05But do you really deep down trust these arrangements?
05:08Will it not be more kind of out of sight, out of mind?
05:10Well, if you look at the debate as such on return hubs, for example, when you're also debating with international
05:16organizations,
05:16they're also not saying it's not feasible.
05:19They're saying under certain conditions, it is workable.
05:22And it stems from the fact that we know that most of the people actually do want to return to
05:27their region, to their country, if it's possible.
05:30But if it's not possible, and there are other opportunities in the vicinity of their home region,
05:34it should be feasible actually to also return people to there.
05:37But you fear people could be left in legal limbo.
05:40Of course. Let's make it clear.
05:43We socialists, we try to be part of the equation, but we're left aside.
05:48And the EPP preferred to join a majority with the far-right groups of the European Parliament,
05:55which are three far-right groups, and they were the ones to adopt this instrument.
05:59Of course, we understand that member states are concerned about returns.
06:05But return hubs, absolutely not.
06:07Because they are externalizing the management of the whole issue.
06:11Besides, there are no guarantees to protect fundamental rights when they're outside the European Union,
06:17because those third states are not bound by EU law, are not bound by fundamental rights considerations.
06:23Besides, they're extending the time frame.
06:26There were 18 months, but now they are up to two years out of the landscape of the European mandate
06:34of formal rights protection.
06:36In the past, you worked a lot, very closely with the socialists in this very European Parliament, but now you're
06:42working much closer with the far-right.
06:44Well, let me do, probably get two things straight here.
06:47A, this question about the detention is not connected to return hubs.
06:51It's a different part of the legislation that we were discussing upon.
06:55And for security cases, I do think that there are credible reasons and credible examples in all member states
07:01why a prolonged detention sometimes can be not only necessary but needed.
07:06Second thing is, we have been proposing, and you speak about the concerns of the member states,
07:12the mandate we put forward for a vote is based on the council's position, on the commission proposal where we
07:19thought that we needed to protect
07:20specifically the European angle of that proposal, and it's based on papers that the EPP had produced for a very
07:27long time.
07:28So, known positions of ours.
07:30If we are not allowed to put that forward to a vote because someone else might jump on it,
07:36then actually we do have a bit of a difficult political discussion.
07:39And I very much respect the position of the SND here.
07:42I know that it also has been a tough negotiations for them, but they were the ones deciding to leave
07:47the table.
07:47It was not us.
07:48We did our best, as we did, to be part of the majority, to adopt the Migration and Asylum Pact.
07:55But the thing is that...
07:56So, what was your counter-proposal?
07:56Ever since this mandate started, there's been a new majority, the EPP leaning with three far-right political groups,
08:03and they have been the ones to somehow legalize the so-called Meloni practice with Albania.
08:10But it's not only Albania, it can be whatever, third country, maybe in Africa.
08:15Why should a third-country ruler accept that kind of a deal from a member state?
08:20Only because of economic compensation?
08:22Is that enough to protect the fundamental rights involved, to protect the minors,
08:26to protect the economic component of minors, fundamental rights involved?
08:30Are there any legal considerations which are actually consistent with the architecture that we finally adopted?
08:35No, the answer is not.
08:37Are there?
08:37Of course, we didn't have best to meet their concerns, but they did not.
08:41All the models are based on a contractual, on a treaty basis.
08:46And that, of course, allows the European Union, the member states,
08:49on their bilateral or multilateral level, to really follow up.
08:54We have the attention and actually also, if needed,
08:57and I think that this is something that should be taken into consideration,
09:00also the support by the international organization.
09:03So there will be a lot of emphasis.
09:05And describe a return hub to our viewers.
09:06How would it look like?
09:07Well, it depends on how the member states actually design it now,
09:10together with the Commission, as part of the, let's say,
09:13integral approach also to our third-country cooperation.
09:16And again, we are investing quite heavily in third countries,
09:19not only when it comes to border management and asylum capacities,
09:22but, for example, when it comes to economic prosperity,
09:25when it comes to fundamental rights, and so on and so forth.
09:27Does that not reassure you that the Commission and the member states together
09:30will design how these hubs should look?
09:32Not enough.
09:33Of course, we are aware that, as to the so-called non-eligible people to stay,
09:39they are human beings.
09:40And they made it irregularly, never illegally.
09:45We object to cannibalistic psychology,
09:47because they were not given the chance to make it regular.
09:50There have been no legal pathways,
09:52and that's been the very one demand of the S&D group right from the outset.
09:56Legal pathways should be open.
09:58Humanitarian corridors, humanitarian visas,
10:01legal pathways so that they don't have to risk their lives
10:03to make it irregularly to the European Union.
10:06Once they are here, of course, you have to tell the difference
10:09between those who are entitled to some kind of human rights consideration,
10:14particularly in common minors and women with minors
10:18and families in special conditions,
10:21so that they are given the proper treatment.
10:25But as to putting them out of our sight
10:28and making a deal with some third country ruler
10:31so that they can be somehow piled up for indefinite period of time
10:38in some return hubs with no fundamental rights
10:41and with no binding legal considerations as to EU law,
10:45that's absolutely against the mandate of the European Union
10:49to respect international law, which includes humanitarian law,
10:52which includes human rights,
10:54as a first condition of EU external action and foreign policy.
10:59And the European Union, of course,
11:00fancies itself as a cheerleader of fundamental rights.
11:03Let me stop you there, as we are just getting warmed up here.
11:10Now it is time for our viewers to get a real flavour
11:12of the European Parliament's chamber,
11:14where MEPs ask questions directly to each other,
11:17and sometimes it gets heated.
11:18So I would like to start with ladies first.
11:20Lena Dupont, you can address your very first question to Juan López Aguilar.
11:24Yes, for example, how do you actually get that together,
11:27that if Spain is going on such a huge regularisation programme,
11:31that it will have repercussions for the rest of the European Union,
11:35and then at the same time say, we're looking for European solutions here?
11:38First of all, what Spain has done is not unprecedented.
11:41Many member states have resorted to regularisation.
11:43And have been criticised for that.
11:44And governments of different political colours
11:46have also resorted to regularisation.
11:47And have been criticised for that.
11:49And it's a positive approach.
11:50Rightly so.
11:50Everyone, everyone is agreeing on that Spain is now the locomotive,
11:57the number one locomotive when it comes to economic growth
12:00and job creation, precisely because it has an alternative positive view
12:06to migration, as opposed to the negative approach,
12:10which is the predominant, which is the prevailing site to migration
12:13and contaminates not only migrants, but also asylum seekers.
12:17So the thing is that when you have a positive approach to migration,
12:21when you give the chance to those who are already staying
12:24on Spanish soil and Spanish territory,
12:27and you give the chance to regularise,
12:28you're enhancing not only their human rights,
12:33but also the economy and job creation in Spain.
12:36Are you satisfied with that answer?
12:37Or would you like a follow-up?
12:39Well, it just basically creates another pull factor
12:41into the European Union.
12:43Quick reaction?
12:43And the Saxon thing is...
12:44Does that not create a pull factor?
12:45For me, it's more or less a sign of an overstretched capacity
12:48if you need to regularise things,
12:50because you're not able to conclude procedures as such.
12:52I've been involved in migration debates for so long,
12:55and of course I understand it's a divisive issue.
12:57But having said this,
12:59there is nothing in the right and conservative rhetoric
13:03that does not lead to pull factor.
13:06Everything is pull factor to the negative approach to migration.
13:10When you treat them as human beings, that's pull factor.
13:14When you regularise them, that's pull factor.
13:17When you incorporate them into the job market, that's pull factor.
13:20Apparently, the only answer would be expelling them out
13:23or having them out of our side, whatever the cost, whatever it takes.
13:27And of course, that leads to an utter contradiction
13:31with the values and the EU law which you should be standing for.
13:35Juan Fernando López, your opportunity now to address the question
13:38to Lena Dupont.
13:39Lena, I've known you for years.
13:41Are you happy that actually this return regulation
13:45was adopted by the EPP with the far right?
13:48I can picture the far right standing up in a standing ovation
13:52to themselves, happy of what they did.
13:56Are you happy with that legalisation of the Meloni practices,
14:00of externalising the migration management,
14:03of giving the third countries the chance
14:05to pile migrants and asylum seekers all together in indefinite time
14:11only for the sake of reassuring the member states
14:14that we will be somehow countering back the numbers of migrants
14:19which keep knocking on our doors?
14:21So, three words.
14:21Are you happy?
14:23Well, of course, as you can say, it was a difficult decision.
14:27When we see that only one in five returnees,
14:30only 20% of those who do not have a right to stay within the European Union
14:33are still staying in the European Union.
14:36And it was always an integral part to the pact
14:38because on the one side of the medal,
14:40you have the protection of those who are in need
14:44and granted protection.
14:45In the midst of the medal,
14:47you have the solidarity of the European Union
14:49taking care of responsibility and solidarity together.
14:51And on the other side of that coin,
14:53you have the return policies
14:55because the ones who do not have a right
14:57to stay within the European Union,
14:59and this is not against a positive approach to migration
15:02or a treatment as non-humanitarian,
15:05it's just the simple following our own rules,
15:08which has always been part of the pact, basically.
15:10And you know that because when we started negotiation on the pact,
15:13there were 12 regulations in there.
15:15And just because I'm aware you haven't answered the question,
15:17so I think you want to ask a follow-up.
15:18Let me make one point clear.
15:20Yes, the rate of returnees is low,
15:23but it's because of the lack of an architecture,
15:26a diplomatic architecture of agreements
15:27being negotiated with third countries
15:30by the European Union in all,
15:32which has got a single legal personality.
15:35And of course, those returns should be dignified,
15:38consistent with the fundamental rights
15:39and human rights involved,
15:40and preferably voluntary.
15:43Okay, we've heard from our MEPs.
15:45Now it's time to bring in a new argument to this discussion.
15:51I would like to bring in the voice of Yves Getty,
15:54director of Amnesty International's EU office.
15:56She said that this vote marks a growing trend
15:59towards increasingly harmful, exclusionary,
16:02and draconian policies on migration,
16:05with worrying repercussions for due process
16:07and evidence-based policymaking.
16:09Far from reducing irregularity,
16:11these proposals risk trapping more people
16:13in precarious situations.
16:15Lena Dupont, that is the concerns that NGOs are having.
16:18Well, again, we are speaking about a process
16:21that has been followed through
16:22from the asylum application onwards
16:24to the rejection of the asylum claim
16:28and forward to the return procedure.
16:30So it's not like we are just basically rejecting people
16:34on unfounded base.
16:36But again, it's in the pact itself.
16:38It is said that a fact of protection needs to be there.
16:42And this is not only a moral obligation,
16:45but it's also a treaty obligation,
16:47a law obligation for every member state of the European Union.
16:50And this is the principle of everything
16:52that can be done under the arrangements or agreements.
16:54And we've heard from Charlie Weimers,
16:57that's the Swedish negotiator from the right-wing party,
16:59the European conservatives and reformers
17:01hailing this as the new consensus in Europe,
17:04chanting the new era of deportations has begun.
17:07This is why NGOs are so concerned, Juan Fernando.
17:09I reject that kind of a rhetoric, for sure.
17:13And I agree with the concerns
17:15that have been expressed by NGOs
17:16as to the flaws of this new policy and legislation
17:21that the European Union is putting in place
17:22with the cooperation of the right with the far right.
17:24It is the contrary.
17:26The thing is that for member states
17:30to have agreements with third countries,
17:33it deters the very possibility of the European Union
17:36deploying a diplomacy in itself.
17:38And it should be the European Union
17:40negotiating with countries of transit and origin
17:43so that that cooperation with countries of transit and origin
17:48would have as a result, first,
17:50giving opportunities for people to stay where they are born
17:54instead of doing whatever,
17:56even resorting to human trafficking
17:58and international criminal organizations
18:00to make it to the European Union.
18:02But once they are in the European Union,
18:04I insist, they are human beings
18:07and they are subject to the Charter of Fundamental Rights,
18:10which protects not only European citizens,
18:12but all human beings under EU law.
18:15And they have been applied EU law,
18:18they have been implemented EU law
18:20in the worst scenario,
18:21in the worst possibility you might think of,
18:24which is precisely that member states
18:26are now legalizing those practices
18:29with third countries
18:31with no legally binding agreements, whatever.
18:35No, no legally binding agreements,
18:38just some kind of a deal suffices to keep human beings
18:42out of the European Union without human rights considerations.
18:45But, Juan, just let me, also from my understanding,
18:47because I fully agree with you on the point of the diplomacy,
18:52actually, and I fully agree also with you
18:54on the redemption of that language,
18:57because we're speaking about human beings.
18:59Whatever we did with the asylum and migration pact,
19:02again, returns being an integral part of it,
19:04we're speaking about human beings.
19:06So, this is the first thing.
19:07Second thing, I agree with you on the migration diplomacy.
19:09But, if now member states,
19:11together with the European Commission,
19:13or bilaterally, trilaterally,
19:14are actually implementing those treaties and corporations
19:18that you called for with the migration diplomacy,
19:21then how can it be bad?
19:22Because it is based on treaties and agreements
19:26and arrangements that are not only enforceable,
19:28but also are able to follow up.
19:29If we want to create more possibilities
19:32for people to stay in an area
19:34where they have a perspective,
19:36where they're close to their region,
19:38where they have safe and stable conditions,
19:41before making the route to the European Union,
19:44why shouldn't we do that?
19:45We've heard from our MEPs.
19:47Now, it is time to take a short break here on The Ring,
19:49but we'll be back very soon
19:51with some more Political Punch.
20:00Welcome back to The Ring,
20:02Eurie News' weekly debate show,
20:04broadcasting here from the Parliament in Brussels.
20:06I'm joined by the MEPs,
20:08Juan Fernando López Aguiar and Lena Dupont.
20:10This week, we're focusing on the topic of migration
20:13and the point of return hubs.
20:15And we wanted to share this data with you.
20:18480,000 people were ordered to leave
20:20the European Union each year,
20:22but only 20% or 25% are actually returned.
20:26And according to Eurostat, in 2024,
20:28it was Germany, Spain, Italy and France
20:31that received 70 to 75% of all EU asylum claims.
20:36And this comes as 1 million asylum cases
20:39are pending across the European Union.
20:41So why, Juan Fernando, do you think this is happening?
20:45What is causing these delays?
20:46Because you need arrangements, agreements,
20:50legally binding agreements with countries of origin,
20:53not with any country.
20:54Because if we didn't have these figures,
20:55you wouldn't need the return hubs.
20:56This return regulation lacks every meaningful link
21:00with a country of origin.
21:02It doesn't matter where do you belong,
21:05as long as there's someone willing to keep you out of our sight,
21:09meaning that maybe some sub-Saharian Africa
21:13coming actually from, let's say, Mali or, let's say, Ghana
21:19can be returned to whatever country,
21:22to Libya, to Morocco, to Tunisia,
21:26as long as the ruler is willing to have them.
21:29Is that fair?
21:30Of course not.
21:32What we need is a legal architecture...
21:33But can you understand people's concerns with that data?
21:34What we need is a legal architecture with countries of origin
21:37so that you make certain that you're actually returning someone
21:41to the country where that particular someone actually came from.
21:46But you, on the other hand,
21:47believe that the return hubs will increase efficiency
21:50and that in a couple of years those figures will be very different.
21:53Well, first of all, again,
21:54return hubs is not the only thing that is in the return regulation as such.
21:58We are also speaking about member states streamlining their procedures,
22:01helping each other out with resources, taking European...
22:05But do you trust member states will do that?
22:06I mean...
22:07Well, member states are the ones asking for that.
22:09So I assume they will also then follow up on your own proposals and policies...
22:12Because implementation is always the big challenge here, right?
22:15One thing is promising something?
22:16Of course it is.
22:17Implementation is the devil in the detail.
22:19And we will also make sure politically
22:21that we will follow up from the European perspective
22:23on member states fulfilling their not only implementation
22:26but really also then driving up what they have been asking for.
22:29But again, I mean, Juan, your idea...
22:32And to a certain extent, I do subscribe to that.
22:34But that would have already worked in the current cases
22:37because there is the international obligation
22:39to take back your own national citizens.
22:41And this is what third countries are not doing in some cases.
22:45So we need a leverage.
22:46Of course it is to the best use if we do it together at European level.
22:49But we also know that member states have to do some links to third countries
22:54where they have a good cooperation already.
22:56And the last point actually on that, it's about...
22:58And this is the part of the agreement or the arrangement then
23:01to really put forward perspectives for the people there.
23:04So this is an integral part of the policy as such.
23:07Let me tell you something.
23:08I chaired the Committee of Liberal Justice and Home Affairs for 10 years
23:11and I represented the European Parliament,
23:13the Council of Ministers of Interior.
23:14I heard them saying, live, fly them to Rwanda.
23:19And my question was, why Rwanda?
23:22Because only do you think they are black, they are indistinctly in Rwanda
23:25and whatever African country, no matter where they belong to?
23:28The thing is that we need actually to change our look, act more positively,
23:34and of course exert European diplomacy to come to terms with countries of origin
23:40and, needless to say, transit too,
23:43so that agreements are binding in the legal way and consistent with EU law.
23:51Not any agreement would suffice.
23:54And this language, Lena Dupont, that we're hearing inside ministries' meetings
23:57and used by politicians is having an impact on society.
23:59We've seen an increase in racist attacks and xenophobic attacks in countries like Germany.
24:04Well, this was mainly because for far too long, actually,
24:07both at European level and also at a certain extent at national level,
24:10we tend to not address the concerns of the citizens.
24:14And there is an overstretch in capacities in almost all member states,
24:19which is why it is so important that we have a distinction
24:21between asylum and migration,
24:25because the people you're addressing are completely different.
24:28The capacities, the structures you need are completely different.
24:31And I think that this is one of the starting points.
24:33And what people experienced in the past
24:35is that people felt the need that actually we had lost control.
24:39What we have been proposing here, both in the pact
24:41and with the mandate of the parliament on returns,
24:44is that we put forward a structured and ordered a humane way
24:48of organizing asylum and migration.
24:51And it is now time for the fifth and the final round.
24:58So now it's time for something a little bit different.
25:00I'm going to be asking our MEPs just one question
25:04and you can only answer yes or no.
25:06OK, let's begin.
25:09Are current EU returns too slow?
25:11Yes or no?
25:12Yes.
25:13Yes or no?
25:14Yes.
25:15You both agree on that one.
25:16Should EU countries set up return hubs abroad?
25:19Yes or no?
25:19Yes.
25:20No.
25:21Yes or no?
25:21No, very clear no.
25:23Is irregular migration a threat today to the European Union?
25:26Léna Dupont, yes or no?
25:28Not as such.
25:29Yes or no?
25:30No, definitely not.
25:32It's a fact.
25:33And asylum is a right.
25:35But it needs to be in an ordered and structured way.
25:38Should rejected asylum seekers be returned to safe third countries?
25:41Yes or no?
25:41Yes.
25:42No.
25:44Should miners be exempt from return hubs?
25:47Yes or no?
25:48Yes.
25:48OK.
25:49According to the mandate.
25:51Should the European Union prioritize efficiency over individual claims?
25:55Yes or no?
25:55Yes.
25:56No.
25:57Should Frontex have greater powers?
26:00Yes or no?
26:01In the returns process as such?
26:03Yes.
26:04It should have a mandate to cooperate better with third countries.
26:08Is the EU's migration commissioner doing a good job?
26:11Magnus Brunner, yes or no?
26:13Yes.
26:16Well, well, well, well.
26:18I mean, it's not personal.
26:20But I can only be sorry to see that his proposals have been endorsed with standing ovation by the far
26:27right.
26:28Could the war in the Middle East trigger a new migration wave here in the European Union?
26:33Yes or no?
26:33We are monitoring very actively the situation in the region and we are prepared.
26:39Yes.
26:40Yes.
26:40And we shouldn't panic.
26:42We can handle it.
26:43Well, that was my next question.
26:44Is the European Union prepared for this scenario?
26:46Yes or no?
26:47Not in the current circumstances, not in the current so-called relation of forces.
26:52But according to EU capacity, for sure it should.
26:56So we shouldn't panic.
26:58We can handle it as long as we do it according to EU values and EU law.
27:02What is of utmost importance is that we closely cooperate with our countries, our partner countries that we have in
27:08the region.
27:09Final question.
27:10Did you agree with anything you heard from Lena Dupont?
27:13Yes or no?
27:14Yes.
27:15And did you agree with anything you heard from Juan Fernando López Aguilar?
27:18Yes or no?
27:18Well, not with everything, but with anything, yes.
27:20Yeah.
27:20Well, we give a glimpse there of how you actually can meet compromises here in the European Parliament.
27:25Lena Dupont and Juan Fernando López Aguilar.
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