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00:00:16Catch them in the pasture, run them in the pen, work them on the Sundays, do it all again.

00:00:23Race them in the sand, buck them in the mud, drip a cowboy's sweat, bleed a cowboy's blood.

00:00:41I'm Zeke Thurston, 2016 World Champion Saddlebrook Rider, and you're watching the Pepperd Stewart Show.

00:00:48Yes, you are. You're doing that today. That is your fault, not mine, but you're going to have to enjoy

00:00:54it anyway.

00:00:55We've got a lot of stuff happening today. You're like, where have you been? Here. Been here. I've been here.

00:01:00Been doing stuff.

00:01:01Been on the internet. Google it. You can find me.

00:01:04We've got some guests today. We've got some that are coming in. We've got some that are in here.

00:01:07We're going to talk a lot about some horse stuff that is happening in the horse world.

00:01:12A lot of news is always happening in the horse world. Cattle world, same old, same old.

00:01:18Still ridiculously high in some areas, although there are some bargains.

00:01:21I did see a unicorn Watusi cow, five-year-old with one horn, for $600.

00:01:30So deals are out there if you look for them.

00:01:32If not, you're going to spend $4,500 on a pair.

00:01:34So that is up to you.

00:01:38We've got some good stuff. What do we got?

00:01:40We've got the PBR stuff. We've got the Premier Women's Rodeo.

00:01:43We're going to follow up on that. A lot of things have happened since we last,

00:01:47talked to them about the big showcase that's going down in the stockyards.

00:01:52So we're going to dive into that.

00:01:53We're going to talk about what's happening in the horse world with laws, vets, and more.

00:02:00We've got a few of your favorite crazy news stories.

00:02:04And then, as always, if you watch a lot of TV and you're on Paramount looking around,

00:02:09you can find something to watch.

00:02:13And right now, Scream 7.

00:02:16Fear comes home. Nowhere is safe.

00:02:19Prepare to scream.

00:02:22Buy or rent Scream 7 on digital now.

00:02:26It'll be a killer time.

00:02:29So check out Scream 7.

00:02:33You can buy it.

00:02:33You can rent it.

00:02:34You can watch it.

00:02:36Just don't get scared.

00:02:38I don't know how much more they can add to it with being seven screams in a row,

00:02:43but that is what they're doing.

00:02:45So we've got somebody here today.

00:02:47Someone is joining us.

00:02:48We've got a legendary horsewoman and a nurse navigator down here in downtown Dallas, Texas

00:02:58to tell us some stuff.

00:03:00Stacey Webb is here.

00:03:03You're here?

00:03:04I'm here.

00:03:05You're here.

00:03:06I am here.

00:03:06You're here.

00:03:07So you are not only a professional horsewoman, you're also a nurse navigator.

00:03:13So what does that even mean?

00:03:14Yeah, so by day, I actually am a nurse navigator, and so what that means is I am a healthcare

00:03:22professional, and I help patients who have complex diagnosis, diseases, navigate through

00:03:29that healthcare journey.

00:03:31Most of the time, you'll find nurse navigators in the oncology space, and we help with self-advocacy,

00:03:39helping patients understand their diagnosis, next steps.

00:03:43We also help patients with barriers to care and logistical and practical needs.

00:03:49So by day, that's what I do in my profession.

00:03:52It's definitely a privilege to serve others, to help patients and families throughout their

00:03:57healthcare journey.

00:03:59And then as another job, I am a horsewoman.

00:04:04I have a ranch and show horses and have cattle and spend a lot of time doing those types of

00:04:13activities as well.

00:04:14So there you go.

00:04:15All the way around.

00:04:18So you're in contact with, I guess, a lot of the patients daily, helping them get through

00:04:25their journeys.

00:04:27Yeah, for sure.

00:04:29It's definitely scary when you have a new cancer diagnosis.

00:04:33So, you know, a lot of times the fear and anxiety is, you know, very real and raw, and helping

00:04:41patients make informed medical decisions is part of what my role is, is to help them understand

00:04:48what their options are and kind of knowing what next steps are.

00:04:52It seems to help patients with that fear and anxiety and that initial shock factor when hearing that they

00:04:58have a diagnosis or even a suspicious finding of cancer.

00:05:03And so as far as the cancer goes, what do you recommend as far as getting screenings or cancer screenings

00:05:14or

00:05:14symptoms to look for, things that you think, hey, you know what, maybe I'll just go check this out.

00:05:19Yeah, for sure.

00:05:20So definitely we want patients to stay on top of their screenings.

00:05:26That looks like, you know, yearly physicals, blood work, colonoscopies, mammograms, you know,

00:05:32all of those things that we are supposed to be doing as good stewards.

00:05:36And definitely if you have any signs or symptoms, new aches and pains, we highly recommend that

00:05:42you get checked out by your primary care physician and go from there.

00:05:47Okay.

00:05:48I think that'll get them on the right track.

00:05:52Yeah.

00:05:52Get them going.

00:05:53Get them navigating.

00:05:54Okay.

00:05:54Yeah.

00:05:55All right.

00:05:55We'll dive back into that a little bit more.

00:05:58We're going to see what is happening with our friends over at Angus TV.

00:06:04They sent us a little story about the Angus Talon Youth Educational Learning Program Internship.

00:06:12So this is a youth learning program that provides opportunities for hosts, ranches, and eager

00:06:18students to dive into the cattle business.

00:06:22This video here is going to feature Judd Swanson and Blueprint Genetics.

00:06:28The college sophomores, juniors, and seniors, along with graduate students under the age

00:06:33of 25 majoring in agricultural-related fields of study are eligible for the internship.

00:06:39The intern applications open September 15th and are due November 12th.

00:06:44If you want to be a host ranch, your applications are due until October 31st.

00:06:49So let's see what this is about.

00:06:52Basically told my dad, you know, hey, I kind of want to start a known cattle herding myself.

00:06:57He told me, if we're going to do this, we're going to do it right, and we're going to do

00:07:00it with the Angus breed.

00:07:07I remember the first year they ever had it.

00:07:10I remember reading about it in the journal.

00:07:12I saw that, and I read that, and I thought that was a pretty unique opportunity.

00:07:16And I thought here at Blueprint and Hennings, we kind of have a unique opportunity, too, to

00:07:21have the IVF and the donor side, along with the Angus show cattle side as well.

00:07:27And then there's just a lot of learning opportunities for a young person to come in and kind of learn

00:07:33the repro side of that.

00:07:35And I think a lot of kids are really interested in that.

00:07:38And so if I can help, you know, whether kids want to do that in the future or they don't,

00:07:43this is a good opportunity to see if that's a possibility.

00:07:48I'd probably say one of the things that has kind of surprised me is just how well I fit in.

00:07:54You know, I never had a sense of homesick.

00:07:57This is an environment where I feel pretty comfortable, and I always have since I stepped

00:08:01on here.

00:08:02When there's people around you that have the similar passion and desires and drive to work

00:08:07and be involved, not only the embryo transfer industry, but also the cattle industry as a

00:08:12whole, it makes everything a lot more enjoyable.

00:08:15It makes you want to do more and be more successful and work harder.

00:08:19I always find myself trying not to make mistakes because I think so highly of these people here

00:08:26because I don't want to make a mistake for them.

00:08:29I've worked a lot with Jacqueline and Jimmy with the foundation.

00:08:34They're always helpful if I have a question.

00:08:38And then they've done a really good job grouping us with somebody that has the interest that

00:08:44like our farms are offering here.

00:08:46They really knocked it out of the park with Judd.

00:08:49He was, you know, above and beyond, really, really interested in the repro side of stuff.

00:08:55You could tell, like, you know, when you are answering those questions, he's really taking

00:08:59it in and learning something as well.

00:09:01From a mentor standpoint, Courtney has kind of always been a person that I've been trying

00:09:06to mirror this summer.

00:09:08Just the confidence that she's had in me has really spoken to her character, you know,

00:09:14to me, just because I really appreciate everything that she does.

00:09:18And she's always trying to make sure that I'm learning and getting the most out of this

00:09:22experience.

00:09:22She wants to set me up for success.

00:09:25I had really great mentors growing up.

00:09:27So if I can give forward to that, to other kids, that's what I'd absolutely like to do.

00:09:34I would definitely recommend the talent internship program.

00:09:37It sets you up for the best.

00:09:39It sets you up with someone that, you know, aligns kind of with your values and the way

00:09:44that you work and the purpose and the goals that you're after.

00:09:48So, yeah, I definitely, definitely recommend it.

00:09:59All right, so if you're interested in that, go to the Angus website.

00:10:03Check out the Angus Foundation.

00:10:05All the details that we mentioned about that program.

00:10:07If you've got a student interested in that or you're a host ranch that would end up hosting

00:10:13some students, look at that, check it out.

00:10:15But right now, we've got a special guest for you today here in the studio.

00:10:19We've got Mr. Colton Woods.

00:10:21He's a horseman, entrepreneur, founder of Horse Business Builders and the Professional

00:10:26Horseman School.

00:10:27And he is on top of everything happening in the horse world.

00:10:30So let's talk about that.

00:10:32Well, that's a tall order to step into.

00:10:34We'll do our best, but I appreciate you having me.

00:10:37Yeah.

00:10:37So tell me a little bit before we dive into the hot topics.

00:10:39Tell me a little bit about your program and your school program and your mentorship type

00:10:43stuff that you do.

00:10:44Absolutely.

00:10:45So I was a black sheep of the family.

00:10:47I didn't grow up in the horse industry and everybody in my family is like, you had a

00:10:52lot of potential, but you're about to ruin it.

00:10:54Don't do it.

00:10:54Don't go down that path.

00:10:55And I just had that bug you got bit by and there was no convincing me otherwise.

00:11:01And I think it was really God's calling in my life to go into the horse industry and then

00:11:05do the very unreasonable things.

00:11:06I think sometimes we know how hard things are going to be.

00:11:08We wouldn't actually do them until we get too far into back to turn back.

00:11:13And so I got very fortunate to get around some really handy horsemen.

00:11:17And then trained horses for the public for more than a decade.

00:11:21And I had a mentor of mine that looked at me and he's like, Hey, you know, if you're

00:11:25really serious about your mission, which was to educate horses and people with a lifetime

00:11:28mind, it wasn't just what we did, but how we went about doing it.

00:11:31He's like, you could help a lot of other horse professionals if you stepped into the certain

00:11:36areas.

00:11:36And so that started with us.

00:11:38We were very blessed to build, you know, some very successful businesses in the industry

00:11:42ourselves.

00:11:42And we had a lot of people in the industry that asked us, Hey, how, how are you doing

00:11:46this?

00:11:46And my wife was in equine graphic design, branding, marketing, that sort of thing.

00:11:51And we kind of figured, well, if God brought us together to be married, the best thing we

00:11:56could do is bring our skill sets together.

00:11:59And so that's what turned into horse business builders, where we help establish horse business

00:12:03owners, be able to build profitable, sustainable businesses.

00:12:06Because at the fact, like it sounds like an oxymoron in the horse industry is like, you

00:12:09can be profitable in the horse industry, but at the end of the day, if as horse professionals

00:12:14were not profitable, it's hard to be sustainable and it's hard to serve our horses, our clients,

00:12:18our students, and our families.

00:12:19And so we went down, like, that's why we really built that, that business.

00:12:23And it's been such a blessing to see the, the transformations that we see people that come

00:12:27in are struggling in their businesses.

00:12:29And then like, we've had people that like cashflow adoptions of kids or had their best

00:12:33Christmas or be able to buy their kids a new horse.

00:12:35And it's just like, that's what it's about.

00:12:37At the end of the day, professional horseman school was, is the school that I wish I was

00:12:41there when I got started.

00:12:43There's a lot of tracks to get in this industry, but the way we approach it at the school is

00:12:48you come in, we teach you, you go through, you have to train 10 horses throughout the

00:12:53program.

00:12:53We oversee a mentorship and we provide mentorship to you for the first three years, even after

00:12:57you graduate, because we know how hard it is to get started in the industry in those

00:13:01first initial years.

00:13:02So you, you learn the hands-on training side, you learn how to take care of your clients.

00:13:05You learn how to build a successful business and that business portion is huge.

00:13:09So it's like, how do you do marketing?

00:13:10How do you do branding?

00:13:11You know, how do you communicate the value that you provide?

00:13:13And so that's for the people that want it, that are really like, I want to be a horse

00:13:17trainer.

00:13:17I want to do this the right way.

00:13:19I'm committed to being the best horseman I can be.

00:13:21And I want to do this in a way that's sustainable for the rest of my career.

00:13:24And I can provide for my family and do all those sorts of things.

00:13:27And so, um, it's just stepping into things you don't feel qualified for, but the things

00:13:32that people are like, Hey, you know, you could really help a lot of people if you do this.

00:13:35And so that's kind of been my guiding force behind all of this.

00:13:39Um, yeah.

00:13:40And I could, I could probably, I could tear out I'm passionate about it.

00:13:43It's part of my purpose and the calling.

00:13:44And so I could go onto it for a while.

00:13:45Right.

00:13:46Yeah.

00:13:46I looked at you, I looked your website over pretty good.

00:13:48You got a lot of good, a lot of good information on there, a lot of good stuff.

00:13:50And, and I think that, you know, that's really helpful to, to the horse industry, especially,

00:13:55you know, the new people want to get out there and learn about it and do that.

00:13:58But the, the hot topic right now that's happening has to do with, um, a vote coming up.

00:14:04You said, and, uh, I think a vote would be hopeful.

00:14:07Um, we don't really know exactly.

00:14:09Um, in person, like I've done a lot of research and digging and trying to understand what's

00:14:13going on.

00:14:14And the, the biggest, the biggest, biggest concern here is the lack of information and

00:14:19the lack of transparency that's been going on.

00:14:22So yeah, we can, we can unearth this one pretty good.

00:14:25Yeah.

00:14:25So what are they, what are they trying?

00:14:28I'd seen a little bit about it the other day, but I wasn't quite sure what was, what

00:14:31was happening.

00:14:32So what are they trying to take over or remove?

00:14:36You bet.

00:14:37So this is, this does get really interesting.

00:14:39And so it's the Texas veterinary board of medical, medical examiners, right out of Austin.

00:14:44And the particular thing that I've done some information on is that they are actually in,

00:14:49you can leak, like you can fundamentally say that they are trying to make it illegal for

00:14:53chiropractors, body workers, massage therapists, these types of service providers to be able

00:14:57to independently do what they do as service providers.

00:15:00And we know there's thousands, tens of thousands of people that make a living and are experts in

00:15:06this field.

00:15:07Now are people, mess this now.

00:15:09People that are the chiropractors, stuff like that.

00:15:12Is there any type of training or license or anything that they go through before they

00:15:17can work on horses or they just go watch an internet video and then do it?

00:15:21Yeah.

00:15:21I do believe that there's an independent like chiropractor for the chiropractors.

00:15:25I believe that they have their own kind of jurisdiction.

00:15:27Now, when you start getting an equine massage or body work, there are very, very credible independent

00:15:33programs, independent schools that provide this.

00:15:36One's that even the veterinarians look to, right?

00:15:40They're endorsed by these clinicians.

00:15:43And so there's not, like there are certain fields where there is regulation and there are

00:15:48certain fields where there's not regulation.

00:15:50And so the interesting thing with this is that obviously this has been a situation that has

00:15:56been just a death by a thousand cuts to the industry of like just slowly kind of gaining

00:16:01ground on this for, for menagerie of reasons.

00:16:03Um, the, the thing that we fact, I try to keep all this information, super factual, and then

00:16:09we can look at it with some discerning eyes and figure out like, why might this be happening?

00:16:13What's the intentions behind these decisions?

00:16:16The, the reality is that in 1999, the state of Texas through the Senate and, and their legal

00:16:23bodies gave the Texas veterinary board, the jurisdiction to, and they, it's worded as a mandate

00:16:30for them to create policies or rules and regulations that would be directly in correlation

00:16:37to veterinary medicine, but it also names acupuncture, chiropractics, and it has a list

00:16:42of, of fields.

00:16:45So a lot of people see what I've been putting out and they go, oh, this is new.

00:16:49And it's like, no, no, no, no.

00:16:5127 years ago, they got the jurisdiction to the Texas, to the people that was on the board

00:16:55at that time, they created a bridge and they said, Hey, we are going to give the chiropractors,

00:17:02the body workers, and these types of specialists permission and abilities to do what they do with

00:17:09a required referral from a veterinarian, which is how it has worked since then.

00:17:13Okay.

00:17:14Now what they're doing is they are basically removing the bridge and they're saying, uh,

00:17:21for some of these fields.

00:17:22So what they're considering, um, homeopathy, um, acupuncture, and there was one, although

00:17:29I'm going to draw a blank on the third one there, they, those are getting pulled completely

00:17:34into that and they're saying you, if you do acupuncture, we do any type of homeopathy, you

00:17:37as a, as an individual expert, you cannot do that unless you have a veterinary license.

00:17:42So there's plenty of people that don't, right.

00:17:44That make a living that are experts for years and decades in that the chiropractors, the

00:17:49body workers and the massage therapists and the people in that particular field, they are

00:17:55not requiring them to have a veterinary medicine license.

00:17:58But what they are doing is instead of them saying, Hey, you have to have a veterinary

00:18:02referral.

00:18:03Now they're saying the vet has to do the referral and the vet provides the treatment plan, which

00:18:09is exactly, they're telling them exactly what they have to do and how they have to do it.

00:18:13And now these chiropractors, body workers, massage therapists, they become a monkey with

00:18:17a wrench.

00:18:17They're just a technician and they're not allowed to use any judgment.

00:18:21They're not allowed to use any of their own experience to say, well, this is what this

00:18:25animal needs, right?

00:18:26They can't do it.

00:18:27They have to follow the direct orders of the vet.

00:18:30And then there's, they, and before they had named people that do like electrical type

00:18:37stimulation, that was kind of the terminology.

00:18:39Like the Magna wave?

00:18:40Like a Magna wave, right.

00:18:41So now they've specifically named the PEMF, um, devices.

00:18:47Cause they probably, I don't know, they probably were around to some degree, but not like they

00:18:50are now, especially the accessibility.

00:18:52And they've, they've pulled that within veterinary medicine, um, as well.

00:18:55So that this document, there's two sections, 571 seems, and I've gone through, it seems

00:19:00like it's mainly an administration cleanup.

00:19:03573 is like a 56 page document.

00:19:06And I, I don't know that there's a page that doesn't have red ink on it, that they are completely

00:19:11overhauling.

00:19:11And there's everything from how they're going to be able to prescribe drugs and get those

00:19:16into the hands of farmers, ranchers, you know, horse owners to, there's more stuff.

00:19:21There's more tightening around equine dentistry.

00:19:23There's more tightening around performance horses.

00:19:26And like, it's, it's very in depth, right?

00:19:29There's a lot to this, but these are kind of the, let's say the big ones.

00:19:32I hate to minimize anybody else that's impacted by what's, what's in this document.

00:19:36Right.

00:19:37Okay.

00:19:38So that, and that's what they're working on.

00:19:39So they're going to try to, are they trying to pull everything to where everything goes to

00:19:42the vet and then you're going to, I wish they would tell us what their intention.

00:19:48So like, that's, that's part of my thing is that it's easy to get very emotionally riled

00:19:52up about this and it rightfully so, because when you look at some of the patterns that are

00:20:00happening, it's like, why would they be doing this?

00:20:04And, and so I did have a conversation, um, with someone and there's an individual,

00:20:12on the board that took great pride in getting rid of telemedicine in the livestock industry,

00:20:17which was what caused us not to be able to get, you know, tomorrow or after, or to be

00:20:22able to get LA 200 or to be able to get basic things from tractor supply that many of us

00:20:26that have livestock and now we have to go through a vet and the overwhelming, so we can, we could

00:20:33make some guesses.

00:20:34I've got, I've got my own hunches as to why this is happening.

00:20:37I think there's two, two things that we have to consider, which is one, we don't know what

00:20:44is going to happen on April 21st, which is when the meeting is because their Facebook,

00:20:48Texas Veterinary Board of Medical Examiners has a Facebook page.

00:20:51It has not been updated in almost four years to the day.

00:20:54And the latest comments are like, why are you deleting comments?

00:20:57Yeah.

00:20:57Why, why aren't you being transparent?

00:20:59Why aren't you saying this?

00:21:00And they put these rulings out and it went to the public, I think March 17th and there

00:21:08was no, there's nothing on their website.

00:21:10Like if you pull up the meeting and you have to go hunting for the April 21st meeting, when

00:21:13you click on it, it says no agenda, no sponsor.

00:21:16It doesn't have any information.

00:21:17It just has the location, the address.

00:21:19And you have to go digging on the bottom left-hand corner of the upcoming things.

00:21:24And it's this little bitty subsection that says, talks about these sections.

00:21:28And then you click in there, you can find the documents.

00:21:31The lack of transparency is concerning in itself.

00:21:34Yeah.

00:21:34It's like, I mean, even, even I'm listening like that, it's obvious they're trying to

00:21:39hide something.

00:21:40Well, yeah.

00:21:41And I happened to scroll on Facebook and happened across someone that said like, urgent, you

00:21:46need to pay attention to this.

00:21:47And I just happened to see it and there was nothing else.

00:21:50I was so, and I went digging and I'm like, what is going on?

00:21:54And so they sent out, apparently it seems like they sent on the email to their email list.

00:21:58Um, of like, Hey, this is coming up.

00:22:01And that was the end of it.

00:22:02Yeah.

00:22:02And then they took public comment, which is not, it wasn't a public comment.

00:22:06They took comment to an email address where you could submit your, your inquiries.

00:22:11Well, I went through this about 18 months ago with the USDA and APHIS on the horse protection

00:22:16act deal that was, that was coming through.

00:22:19And in straight up, what ended up happening there was they said, we're going to do a

00:22:22webinar and we're going to tell you all about the things that are going to affect February

00:22:251st.

00:22:25And they hosted a webinar and there was, we have documented there between a handful of

00:22:32us that were on that webinar that they said, we're going to give you all the information.

00:22:35We're going to do open Q and a at the end.

00:22:36We'll sit here and answer all of your questions until they're answered.

00:22:40We have documented between 13 and 16 questions that we asked that they sat there, they answered

00:22:46the easy questions and then they, and they said, all right, thanks so much for the questions.

00:22:51We got all those answered.

00:22:52We'll talk to you guys later.

00:22:52Click.

00:22:53Yeah.

00:22:53And they didn't.

00:22:54Yeah.

00:22:55And there was like, and they weren't accusatory questions.

00:22:58They were just like, Hey, we need details.

00:22:59If you're going to have something where you're saying this is illegal for us to do, what's the

00:23:03punishment?

00:23:04Right.

00:23:04And that's something that is even in this particular situation, if you're going to make it illegal

00:23:07to do this and it does happen, what's the, what's going to happen?

00:23:11What's going to happen?

00:23:12And so we already went through the, that with, and it's, it's a very similar pattern in this.

00:23:17It's like, okay, there, I mean, we just in the last six days from, from like five social

00:23:23media videos that I've put out, just not even the reach, but just the view count is pushing

00:23:28a million views on the videos that I've done.

00:23:32And I can vastly tell you that without going through and doing a percentage that is over 90%

00:23:37of people are not very happy about this.

00:23:40And I've gotten, I've gotten a lot of messages and it's like, okay, so you're going to take

00:23:43a comment into your email address where you're not going to tell people, they're not going

00:23:47to make this stuff public now.

00:23:49Right.

00:23:49So we've put together a website where it's going to be public, where we're going to take

00:23:53people's public opinion.

00:23:54And we're going to make this thing so obvious that it's just our voice as the industry needs

00:23:59to be heard.

00:24:00I don't know what that meeting is going to look like on the 21st.

00:24:03I don't know if they're going to allow us to have a microphone and say, Hey, here's

00:24:05your three minutes can, we'll listen to you.

00:24:08Or if they say, Hey, we already gave you your comment period.

00:24:11This is, we're going to run the meeting and you get to be a spectator.

00:24:13I have no clue.

00:24:15And where's this going to be?

00:24:16In Austin.

00:24:18Yeah.

00:24:19Huh?

00:24:20Yeah.

00:24:20It just, I don't know.

00:24:22It just, this does seem, seem very fishy that they're just not putting it out there for

00:24:30the people, not making it easy to find.

00:24:33And it's just like, Oh yeah, don't, Oh, don't worry about it here.

00:24:35Just send us an email.

00:24:38Yeah.

00:24:41So that's, that's going to be interesting to see.

00:24:44I think, because I mean, I don't know.

00:24:47There's a lot of people out there that do those things that make money.

00:24:51That's their livelihood out there doing that kind of stuff.

00:24:53So you come back and say, okay, well you got your, what are they, $20,000 machine,

00:24:58MagnaWave machine or whatever.

00:24:59Like, Oh, well, that's no good anymore.

00:25:02I mean, what are these people, what are they going to do?

00:25:04Well, I think practically speaking too, it doesn't take a rocket scientist and it really

00:25:09sure to sell, shouldn't take a bunch of people that are nine, nine veterinarians.

00:25:13Well, there's, there's nine people on the board and six of them are veterinarians.

00:25:17I think five are actively practicing.

00:25:19And then there's like, there's three others.

00:25:22There's one's a CPA and there's two other people on that board and it doesn't take nine

00:25:30highly should be educated professionals to figure out that we are, we already have a

00:25:35shortage of veterinarians across this industry in the state of Texas and across the country.

00:25:41And most veterinarians did not go to vet school to be, to become an equine massage therapist.

00:25:47They have like, we, we are in an industry where fortunately, I think for the better,

00:25:54everything is highly specialized.

00:25:56We're talking about rain, cow horses, cutting horses, jumping horses, dressage horses.

00:26:01Right.

00:26:01And I've been fortunate to be on both sides of that fence with my wife growing up in a hundred

00:26:05jumpers.

00:26:05We trained in Lexington, Kentucky.

00:26:06I'd run into a lot of English sport horses.

00:26:08And then we're now in here and we're doing cutting and cow horses.

00:26:12And the, the specialization is a blessing.

00:26:15When we were in Kentucky and we were like, Hey, who, Colton, who's your vet?

00:26:17And I'm like, for what?

00:26:18Yeah.

00:26:19And, and my clients were like, what do you mean for what?

00:26:21And I was like, well, we have a podiatrist.

00:26:23We have an equine disease specialist.

00:26:24We have a sports lameness specialist.

00:26:26And, and the list goes on and on and on and on.

00:26:29And that's not foreign when you're in a horse hub, whether it's, whether it's Texas, Florida,

00:26:34New York, whatever it is.

00:26:36And that's the industry, man.

00:26:37And when we're already short on veterinarians, these other service providers, we have to

00:26:44focus on who does a really good job.

00:26:46Everyone, everyone wants to like, well, what about the subpar people?

00:26:49My answer is let the market take care of it.

00:26:51The market, the market will take care of it.

00:26:53If you do a crappy job, the market will take care of it.

00:26:57That is the ultimate judge.

00:26:58Like the idea that we need more regulation to get rid of the subpar.

00:27:01The only thing that punishes is the really good people that are playing by the rules,

00:27:04right?

00:27:05Because they're the ones that are like, well, I don't want to jeopardize my family.

00:27:07I don't want to jeopardize my business.

00:27:09I'm going to play by the rules and try to figure this out.

00:27:10But you're just going to throw more wrenches in it.

00:27:13It's like the subpar things can take care of itself.

00:27:16I'm all cool for setting quality standards, right?

00:27:19Of what needs to be expected, working with the institutions, the private, private education

00:27:24systems that are in place.

00:27:25But these chiropractors, massage therapists, osteopaths, there are some incredible schools that people

00:27:31are going through that even veterinarians go through.

00:27:33Some of them don't even have time to go through, but they go, hey, we acknowledge the value

00:27:37of this program.

00:27:38And so we work with students and professionals that come out of these programs.

00:27:41We're on a veterinary shortage.

00:27:43There's not enough horse trainers to keep up with the quality horses that are out there.

00:27:47There's a shortage across the entire industry.

00:27:49And the idea that they're looking at saying, we're going to pull these services back in and

00:27:55require veterinarians to take on services that they're not even qualified or experienced in.

00:27:59They're not trained in these things.

00:28:01And they're actually going to add more stress because the demand in the industry is already

00:28:04there.

00:28:05Otherwise, all these independent service providers wouldn't have a job.

00:28:08Yeah.

00:28:09So it doesn't make sense because now you're going to, what's, what's the, if the true,

00:28:13the true dedication to this should be the, to the quality of care to the animals.

00:28:18Right.

00:28:18And you're actually going to make it worse and more difficult and you're going to make

00:28:21it more expensive.

00:28:23Now, to your point, right?

00:28:24Like, does that benefit you if you own a veterinarian clinic?

00:28:29Probably.

00:28:30Let's go look at the vet board and go, how many of them own multi-practices?

00:28:34And I want this to be very clear because some people on social media took this the wrong

00:28:38way.

00:28:39The veterinarians are not the problem.

00:28:41And private equity is buying up a lot of veterinarian practices.

00:28:46Is that the problem?

00:28:47I don't think so.

00:28:48I don't think private equity money is necessarily the problem.

00:28:51Right.

00:28:51Because that's what's being done, right?

00:28:53You, we like, well, according to Texas legislature now in this particular 573, they're saying

00:28:59you can't own a vet practice unless you're a veterinarian, which I'm like, I don't know

00:29:04the legal side of that because it's a capitalistic society.

00:29:08Why?

00:29:09And honestly, if I'm a veterinarian, I'm a really good veterinarian.

00:29:11Maybe I'm not a good business owner.

00:29:12I could partner with somebody that's a really good business owner and make this practice

00:29:15run better.

00:29:16So that seems kind of ridiculous.

00:29:18Um, but I don't have a legal backing to, to dive into that one.

00:29:21Yeah.

00:29:22And, and so we just have to look at the, what's going to benefit them in like private equity.

00:29:30I did throw a little bit of shade of private equity, but people have to understand that

00:29:34there's layers to this and private equity could be negative if the only objective is

00:29:39profitability.

00:29:40Right.

00:29:41But profitability is essential for sustainability and high level of care.

00:29:44I mean, it's extremely expensive to, to own a medical practice.

00:29:48And I think if you're a veterinarian that does a great job, you should make millions.

00:29:51Right.

00:29:52If you're doing that good of a job, what's the problem.

00:29:55Right.

00:29:56But when we're only optimizing when we have, when you have people that only care about

00:30:01the money so that then the prices go up and the quality goes down, we have an issue.

00:30:06Yeah.

00:30:06But if the quality goes up and the prices have to go up with inflation and these other

00:30:10things, if the quality is there, I'm personally not going to gripe about expensive prices.

00:30:15No.

00:30:16Because the value is there.

00:30:17Right.

00:30:18And so I think we just have to, you know, everyone's like, it's getting too expensive.

00:30:21It's like, it's going to go, it's horses.

00:30:23Yeah.

00:30:23It's going to be expensive.

00:30:24It is part of it.

00:30:26Like we don't, none of us want to price anybody out of it, but what will make it more expensive

00:30:30is reducing the number of professionals you have access to versus let there be competition.

00:30:35Let there be a plethora of professionals that can service these, these horses and these

00:30:39people that will, that will tamper prices because competition will, will help that.

00:30:44That's capital.

00:30:45Yeah.

00:30:45It'll weed them out.

00:30:46It'll weed everybody out.

00:30:47And I mean, just like you say on the vets, the vets, just like where I'm at in my era,

00:30:52there's, there's two or three different vets that I go to.

00:30:54One up, they, they service all large animals, but this one may be better with cows over

00:30:58here.

00:30:59This one's better with horses over here.

00:31:00And so you've got, you know, you're going to go, I mean, yeah, you can't just say, oh,

00:31:03well, he's a vet.

00:31:04He should be able to do it.

00:31:05Well, not all vets are, you know, this one vet might see a thousand horses a month.

00:31:12This same vet sees two.

00:31:14So you're not going to take your horse over here because he's, he doesn't see that all

00:31:17the time.

00:31:17But if you've got a vet's experience, they see the same thing over and over and over.

00:31:20And then I do that.

00:31:21Just like I had, I had a horse, had a bad tooth and I went to one of the vets

00:31:24and I

00:31:25had a tooth problem.

00:31:26And he says, man, I got this thing over here.

00:31:28He pulled something out of a, you know, out of a box.

00:31:31I said, no, that's all right.

00:31:33I'll let me call him a dentist to come do that.

00:31:36So I had a dentist come out and fix the teeth and stuff.

00:31:38But it's just like that.

00:31:39I mean, yeah, you went to the vet, but they're not going to be, they're not going to be 100

00:31:43%

00:31:43proficient in everything you need.

00:31:45So you're going to need some of these other, you know, other entities to come out and help,

00:31:50you know, with, with the different things like the chiropractic and the magnum.

00:31:53But best thing to do that, best thing to stand out there and put the things on the horse and

00:31:57watch it and do all that.

00:31:58And it's not the best use of their time either.

00:32:00Like, and it's not devaluing anyone that does really enjoy doing those types of modalities.

00:32:05But if you're a veterinarian and you're qualified in surgery, be in surgery.

00:32:10Yeah.

00:32:11Like, go do that.

00:32:12If you're a lameness specialist or, I mean, I had the opportunity, I called an opportunity.

00:32:17I felt bad for my client and their horse that went, that was doing well.

00:32:19And they sent me the horse because they sent it to Kentucky to get to this vet.

00:32:22And I, they put the boars in my barn and this horse had double pneumonia in its lungs.

00:32:26And like, this was a crazy case.

00:32:28And they, they did a whole dissertation case around this horse because it was, it was an

00:32:33anomaly situation, but equine disease specialist was handling that.

00:32:38And it's like, get them to the best.

00:32:40Right.

00:32:40And I remember, I can tell you one morning I was standing in the barn and we had, we

00:32:43were breeding mares and my repro vet came through and it was like 4.30 in the morning.

00:32:48And I was like, Hey, I was like, I'm, this one horse came up lame.

00:32:51I was like, would you mind taking a look at it?

00:32:53And he goes, did you try hoof testers?

00:32:55I was like, yes.

00:32:57Like he goes, well, you know, as much as I do.

00:33:00And this guy's been a vet for 30 years.

00:33:02And he's like, if it doesn't have testicles or ovaries, I don't know nothing about it.

00:33:06And because he's a repro vet, like he can tell you what drug and when to ovulate and

00:33:10when that marriage follicle is going to be ready to go.

00:33:12But like, I was like, do you mind just taking a look?

00:33:14And he's like, not my game, man.

00:33:16Yeah.

00:33:16Like, and it's like, and I think that's not a bad thing.

00:33:19No.

00:33:20Right.

00:33:20Because he's, he's amazing at what he does and go get the other person that specializes

00:33:26in, you know, sport horse, you know, lameness or whatever it is, you know, and it's just,

00:33:32yeah, that's the, it's kind of the industry we're in at this point.

00:33:36So what do you think, what do you think is going to come of this if it does go one

00:33:40way

00:33:40or the other?

00:33:44So I think the very first thing that, and this is, I think that, you know, I'm saying

00:33:49prioritize and focused on what's coming up in two weeks.

00:33:52It's two weeks from today is that meeting.

00:33:54And, you know, we can keep our eyes privy to the, to, are they going to share any information

00:33:59or are we just going to walk in there blind and be like, who's there?

00:34:02Yeah.

00:34:02Right.

00:34:02What, how's this going to go?

00:34:05I'm going to keep it pretty open mind.

00:34:06I'm like, Hey, I, I hope that they explain what their intentions are behind this.

00:34:09And, you know, we have to use some discernment to go, are they lying through their teeth?

00:34:13Are they being honest?

00:34:14Right.

00:34:14But I think, you know, at the end of the day, it's not, you know, while this does not seem

00:34:19like it's in the best interest or it's a practical solution to what the industry is dealing with.

00:34:24I'm not interested in like burning the village and salt in the earth.

00:34:28Right.

00:34:28Like we have to have a conversation and if they're willing to listen, like, let's actually do something

00:34:32that's actually for the betterment of this industry.

00:34:35And if they decide and make the choice to go against what's best for this, then as an

00:34:42industry, our voice needs to be heard and we need to take action according to that.

00:34:46I will throw this out there because it is a, it is like a case, case law at this point

00:34:52from, I think is a proper way to put it and they can't do nothing about it.

00:34:56Right.

00:34:56Which is the Sherman Antitrust Act.

00:34:59And this is something I've dug into, which is there was a dental board in North Carolina

00:35:05that, that brought up this issue that the dentists saw other, these other smaller practices that

00:35:14were offering teeth whitening services.

00:35:16And the dentists were like, Hey, these other people are offering teeth whitening services

00:35:21and they're doing it cheaper than what we can actually provide these services for.

00:35:26And that's dentistry.

00:35:27Yeah.

00:35:28So the, the North Carolina dental board went in and shut those businesses down and said,

00:35:33you can't do that.

00:35:34And the FTC came in and said, no, you can't, you can't shut those businesses down because

00:35:41the intention was that they were eliminating competition.

00:35:44Correct.

00:35:45Right.

00:35:45And so it, what teeth whitening services, from my understanding was not considered to

00:35:50be equine or not equine.

00:35:52We're not whitening our horses teeth yet.

00:35:54Maybe that's the next service they're going to upsell us on, but that, that, that teeth

00:36:00whitening services were not necessarily dentistry.

00:36:03And so this antitrust act was like, you cannot, a board like the Texas veterinary commission

00:36:08cannot go in and eliminate competition for the sake of profitability.

00:36:13And, and, and very honestly, that is one of the threads that you look at what's going

00:36:17on and you look at how people, whether it's private equity or individuals that are involved

00:36:23in, and I have no problem with business ownership.

00:36:25I own multiple businesses in this industry and I've said like profitability is not the

00:36:28problem.

00:36:30But if, if you look at business models that are happening in this industry right now, particularly

00:36:37in this space, let's just talk about veterinarians because we're talking about that, um, is

00:36:44then you're bringing on these services.

00:36:45You're building these teams out of vets to be able to provide these services.

00:36:49And so what they've been doing, they've been buying practices, right?

00:36:52And they can build it.

00:36:53If we use the private equity thing, I buy this one clinic, I buy a second clinic, I buy

00:36:56the third clinic, I buy the fourth clinic.

00:36:57I put together a package of clinics and then I can go sell it for a multiple to an investor

00:37:02company that's going to do this.

00:37:03And we see this in landscaping, gutter companies, gyms, it's happening all across the industry

00:37:07and it's happening in the, in the equine world as well.

00:37:10And so they're buying up these smaller practices and there's been some cases here in North Texas

00:37:18as well, where certain practices wouldn't sell.

00:37:20And then they ran into some legal trouble pretty conveniently.

00:37:22Yeah.

00:37:23I don't know why that happened.

00:37:24Yeah.

00:37:24Right.

00:37:25And so, you know, people are going to watch this and it's like, yeah, we're watching.

00:37:30Like this doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out, well, look at all these service

00:37:34products, chiropractors, massage, all these other people, they can't buy all those people.

00:37:39No.

00:37:40They cannot go buy every little independent.

00:37:42So if you can't buy all the independents that are doing tens of millions of hundreds

00:37:47of millions of dollars in the industry, and what's the easiest way to do this?

00:37:51Call some social justice issue that this is for the welfare of the horses and shut them

00:37:58down and shut them down and pull it back into private practice.

00:38:01Yeah.

00:38:02Right.

00:38:02And then say, the only way you can do this is through veterinary direction, not just

00:38:06veterinary referral, but veterinary direction.

00:38:08You have to follow the vet says, which now turns this 1099 contractor, private business

00:38:12owner into an employee, which these people don't want to be.

00:38:16No.

00:38:16Number one.

00:38:17And two, it does the exact opposite because now you've taken the specialist and turned

00:38:21them into a technician, which is going to drastically drop the quality of the care that

00:38:25is provided.

00:38:26And so I think just, you know, some people are like, you got your tinfoil hat on, but I'm

00:38:31like, I don't think it takes a rock science to figure out if you can't buy your competition,

00:38:34what do you do?

00:38:35Yeah.

00:38:36You shut them down.

00:38:36In this case, you shut them down.

00:38:37You kick them out.

00:38:38You get rid of them.

00:38:38Yeah.

00:38:40And that is wrong in a lot of areas.

00:38:43Right.

00:38:44My mom always told me you get more, more of the honey than you do with vinegar.

00:38:47Right.

00:38:47And it's like the, the competition is what breeds is it was what incentivizes all of

00:38:53us as business owners to do better.

00:38:56Like if I, if I'm a trainer and I'm trying to be better than my competition, it's like,

00:39:00I'm not going to go try to steal my competition's clients and like kick them out of business.

00:39:04No, I'm like, I'm going to become a better horseman.

00:39:06I'm going to become better serving my clients so that clients, more clients want to work with

00:39:10me and send me nicer horses.

00:39:12And it's like, do a better job.

00:39:13But when, when they try to do this and use regulation on a social justice issue and we

00:39:19see it, it's a pattern.

00:39:20We see it at every level of the government.

00:39:24And, and so it's just called spade to spade.

00:39:26And I think that is, there's, there is at least a taste of this pretty significantly through

00:39:30what is going on.

00:39:32I want to give them the chance to kind of voice beyond, to try to just say, Hey, what

00:39:36are you doing?

00:39:36Yeah.

00:39:37What's your plan?

00:39:37What's your point?

00:39:38What's the, what's the outcome going to be?

00:39:39Say you do this.

00:39:40What, what's, what's the, what's the, what's the, what's the,

00:39:41end game on this?

00:39:42Yeah.

00:39:42I don't, I don't really don't want us, like I'll be at that meeting in, in two weeks

00:39:47and I don't want anybody that's going into that meeting to go in there.

00:39:50Like they want to fight with the board because at the end of the day, like if they're doing

00:39:55their job and we're doing our job as professionals within the industry, we should be working together

00:40:00in collaboration.

00:40:01Like a veterinarian should work in collaboration with a chiropractor and a farrier and all

00:40:06of these people.

00:40:06It should be a team effort as a horse care unit to make the lives better.

00:40:11And the trainer works in conjunction with that and, and the nutritionist and all of these

00:40:15people need to come together in levels of expertise.

00:40:18But it's a very small minded mindset.

00:40:21When you get in a scarcity mindset and you're going, I have to use regulation and rules

00:40:26to protect what's mine.

00:40:27So no one can come and take my business and take my profit.

00:40:30Like that's not an abundance based mindset and that's not a collaborative thing.

00:40:33And if, and I want to see what the board, where the board's at, because our industry,

00:40:38we're going to, if anybody that's been around anybody at a high level knows that it's a

00:40:42collaborative deal, like things are so much more similar at the top, right?

00:40:46And you were talking about being in a leadership position, you know, how much more it gets

00:40:49done when there's a, when there is collaboration and coming together.

00:40:53It's that small minded competitive mindset of like, oh my gosh, my, my neighbor's going

00:40:58to steal my clients.

00:40:59It's like, it's just loser stuff, you know?

00:41:03And especially when you put those types of loser mentalities in power, now we're in

00:41:07trouble, right?

00:41:08Now we got something to do about it because those people have no place to be making rules

00:41:14because they're just going to be selfish.

00:41:17You know, I'm just going to call a spade a spade at this point.

00:41:20Yep.

00:41:20So you have to check it out.

00:41:22See, do you, do you know, have you talked to a lot of people that's going to be down

00:41:26there or if it's going to be a big crowd, it's going to show up to see, to see what's

00:41:29going to happen on this?

00:41:30Well, conveniently, you know, it's on a Tuesday morning at 9am in Austin.

00:41:33That's where every board professional in Texas wants to be in two weeks.

00:41:37Um, I am getting a number of messages from people, um, mainly wanting to know what to

00:41:43do.

00:41:43Um, if it's good, we put together a website called horseindustryvoice.com and we're, that

00:41:50is where we're posting a bunch of updates on this particular situation, as well as putting

00:41:56together a petition, which is the whole reason for the petition is to get our voice known.

00:42:01Yeah.

00:42:02On this, on this issue.

00:42:04Okay.

00:42:06That side, what's, what's that website again?

00:42:07Can we pull that side up?

00:42:10Uh, horseindustryvoice.com.

00:42:12So, um, we're putting that together.

00:42:14We're going to keep everybody updated and then it'll take you to a petition.

00:42:18And, and then anytime, like if, if we are able to draft letters to send to state representatives

00:42:22or anything like that, we'll make those templates available there.

00:42:26Um, you know, this is not in my purview of business.

00:42:28I had a call today with somebody and they're like, so this is how you make a living.

00:42:30I'm like, absolutely not.

00:42:32Absolutely not.

00:42:33Like we do business consulting and coaching and we help horse professionals.

00:42:36But my thing is, is that if we don't have an industry to stand for, then if there's not

00:42:43an industry intact for in the short term and for the longterm, I've got two little girls

00:42:47that one of them's shown to be pretty horse crazy.

00:42:50And I'm like, Hey, I want you to enjoy it.

00:42:52Number one.

00:42:53Yeah.

00:42:53But two, like, you know, if there's not an industry for them to step into in the future,

00:42:58like we have that responsibility.

00:43:00And so that means we have to have uncomfortable conversations and we have to say what needs

00:43:05to be said.

00:43:06And we've got to seek the truth and in this, and that's what I'm after at least.

00:43:11So we've got to do, we've got that site.

00:43:12There's a site there you're talking about there.

00:43:14There we go.

00:43:14So they just go right there to the website, fill out the form.

00:43:18Yeah.

00:43:19They'll fill out that form there on the site and that will take them directly to the petitions

00:43:23that are available, more information about this.

00:43:25And that'll allow us to be able to send any updates and information directly to people.

00:43:31Because unfortunately with social media today, right?

00:43:33If your organic reach is only about 5% of your following.

00:43:37So it's really inconsistent to get a video back in front of everybody as much as we try

00:43:44to.

00:43:44And so with this, we can send an email out that says, hey, here's the update on this

00:43:50particular situation.

00:43:51We're starting with this issue in Texas.

00:43:54We've put together a form or a portal that if anyone, whether it's in Oregon, Washington,

00:44:00Texas, Oklahoma, wherever it is, if there's another issue that's arising in their area or

00:44:04for their field and they're like, hey, this is going on and this needs more attention,

00:44:09then we're putting in a portal where they can just submit that information and say, this

00:44:13is what's going on.

00:44:13This is what's happening.

00:44:14Here's the information I have.

00:44:16And could you try to do some more investigating and cover that?

00:44:20And because a lot of these situations get covered up, like they get swept under the rug.

00:44:24They try to do it basically in the nighttime.

00:44:28And the number one thing that when I did the Horse Protection Act stuff and this, number one

00:44:33thing is people are like, I didn't even know this was happening.

00:44:35And it's like, they don't want us to know.

00:44:37So the more that we talk, the more that we have these conversations and we drive awareness

00:44:42and then we can't just be informed.

00:44:44Like you have to do something about it.

00:44:46And so we have to take action.

00:44:48We always say like action takers are difference makers.

00:44:50And it's like, you've got to do something about it.

00:44:52So in this case, once they fill out that form on that site, it'll take them directly

00:44:57to the link for the petition.

00:44:58It's like, go sign it, leave a comment because in preparation for that meeting, once like

00:45:04the morning of, I'm going to print that list.

00:45:06I'm going to print all the comments and there's no hiding that it's public.

00:45:10And it's like, you can hide however many emails you got to your comments at veterinary.tx.gov

00:45:16email address.

00:45:17You can hide them.

00:45:19But here I've got thousands of Facebook comments and TikTok comments and Instagram comments

00:45:24and messages.

00:45:25And here's all these other people that went and did this.

00:45:27And because this is not, this is not the beginning or this is the end.

00:45:31Yeah.

00:45:32Right.

00:45:32Like we, there is things that will have to happen following this meeting in two weeks.

00:45:38I have an idea of what that needs to be, but I'm not going to get ahead of that because

00:45:42we need to, we need to handle what's in front of us.

00:45:45See what happens first and then go from there for the, exactly for your next, we should work

00:45:49together.

00:45:49Like that's the ultimate goal.

00:45:50Like, I don't want this to come across and, and be a, we're going to get them.

00:45:54It's like, like, that's not, that's not productive.

00:45:58You know, we need to, we need to try to work together.

00:46:00And if someone or a group of people decide they don't want to work together and they

00:46:05want to work in their own self-interest, then there's a lot more of us than there are

00:46:08them.

00:46:09So we can, we can then come together and we need to come together.

00:46:12And that's, that's so important.

00:46:14The horse industry is monstrous.

00:46:17Especially when you start getting into not just performance horses, but you get into

00:46:21rodeo, you get into ranching, you get into the trail riding and you get into recreational

00:46:26people.

00:46:26It's, it's monstrous in this country.

00:46:30And so people have to understand that, yeah, you can't just know about it and like, just

00:46:34share the video, like go sign a petition.

00:46:36Yeah.

00:46:37Go leave a comment, make your voice known at the very minimum, go share it with people

00:46:40and then, and then show up.

00:46:43Right.

00:46:44You actually do something about it.

00:46:45Get people talking about it.

00:46:46Let everybody know and get them, get them on the ball because that's, that's what they're,

00:46:50you know, like you say, that's kind of their mindset is that is, well, we'll barely put

00:46:55something out here.

00:46:55We'll put a little spot on the website here.

00:46:57Maybe nobody will see it and we'll just do what we want to do.

00:47:01Absolutely.

00:47:04So find out in April.

00:47:06We'll find out in April.

00:47:07And I will say like there, there is an organization, um, that we kind of refer to them as the

00:47:14NRA

00:47:15of the Western lifestyle.

00:47:16Right.

00:47:17Which is Western justice, which I think you're familiar with.

00:47:20Um, I've been fortunate to kind of help them with a few things.

00:47:23They were the ones that were leading the initiative on the horse protection act deal.

00:47:26Um, I got to create content, you know, around that because same fight there as this one is,

00:47:31is like, if we don't stand up against this, there's going to be negative things that happen.

00:47:35It affects all of us as, as professionals.

00:47:37I think the changes that need to happen in this industry do start with the professionals

00:47:41in this business because there's so many recreational and non-pros that look to the

00:47:45professionals for the guidance.

00:47:46So as professionals, it's easy to go, but I don't know if my clients are going to like

00:47:50this.

00:47:51It's like, do the right thing.

00:47:52Yeah.

00:47:53Do the right thing.

00:47:54The right people will come to you.

00:47:55You know, like if you have a client that's not happy that you voiced your opinion about

00:47:58something that's better for the betterment of this industry, they probably didn't need

00:48:00to be in your barn in the first place.

00:48:01And so like, we have to step up and do the right thing and actually have a spine.

00:48:07And so like, if, if one of the best things we all can do is go become a member at

00:48:13Western

00:48:13Justice because they, they have legal action ability and are involved in DC.

00:48:19They're involved at a much deeper level.

00:48:21Like this right now, they have a lot of things that they're handling.

00:48:24So like me personally, I'm kind of the one handling this right now, if it, as it picks

00:48:29up, they might decide to pick it up as it goes, but phenomenal organization does a lot

00:48:34of, they do a lot of dirty work that no one sees that absolutely nobody sees and deals

00:48:39with a lot of stuff that you're like, golly, that should just not even exist.

00:48:43Yeah.

00:48:43You know?

00:48:44So that, that little plug for them because they, they are doing a lot of good work and

00:48:48they, they need our support.

00:48:50Like we could, we, we have a monstrous industry.

00:48:52If we get behind an organization like that, they have the ability to go do the things

00:48:55and fight on our behalf so we can go enjoy our horses.

00:48:58Right?

00:48:58Yeah.

00:48:59Right.

00:49:00Go ride, compete, ride.

00:49:02I mean, everybody, you know, they, everybody wants to have a horse and they want to go ride.

00:49:07They don't have to be stuck.

00:49:09Not going anywhere.

00:49:11You ride your horse, don't you?

00:49:13A little bit.

00:49:15Not as much as I'd like to.

00:49:18I've been riding, but I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, Colt, man, we appreciate

00:49:22you coming in and tell us all about this.

00:49:24We've got the website up.

00:49:25We've got the other thing up and we'll put that out.

00:49:27We'll put it out again.

00:49:28Let the people know.

00:49:28You bet.

00:49:29I appreciate y'all having me.

00:49:30Get them signed up on there and get, get people interested in that.

00:49:33There's Colton's website right there.

00:49:34Colton was.

00:49:34There's a lot of good information on there.

00:49:36Be sure you check it out.

00:49:37You got an event coming up March.

00:49:38What's that event you got coming up March?

00:49:40We just had a business mastermind.

00:49:42So we just hosted, um, a couple of weeks ago, we had a business mastermind at our deal and we

00:49:46do two of those a year.

00:49:48And, um, we're, we're all in on helping professionals on the business side.

00:49:51And so that's what that was.

00:49:52It was a very small group of people for that.

00:49:54Yeah.

00:49:55And, um, we're getting ready to open up applications, the professional horseman school for 2027.

00:49:59We're in the process of building, um, an expanded facility to, to be able to bring more students

00:50:04in.

00:50:04And so we're getting ready to open up applications to that.

00:50:07And I just tell people to like, if you go to my social media handles, you can click the

00:50:11link in my bio.

00:50:11You can find, you can find everything you need to know.

00:50:14If you can't find it, send me a message.

00:50:15Be like, I'm looking for this.

00:50:16I can't find it.

00:50:17Just send me a message.

00:50:17I'll try to get, I'll get back to you.

00:50:19Okay.

00:50:19And I really appreciate it, Pepper.

00:50:20Thank you for having me.

00:50:21I appreciate it.

00:50:22And, uh, we'll keep everybody up to date what's going on.

00:50:24And with that, we could check out and see what, uh, whiskey Kate's got to say.

00:50:38I see the storm run in your eyes.

00:50:44I see the storm run in your eyes.

00:51:10I see the storm run in your eyes.

00:51:13I see the storm run in your eyes.

00:51:41I can handle your demons

00:51:44You can handle me

00:51:46But I can't handle unless you leave me

00:51:51So love me broken and let me whole

00:51:57And love me any damn way

00:52:00Don't let me go

00:52:02Don't need a hero

00:52:05Just stand by me

00:52:07Calm the chaos, you and me

00:52:23Love me broken and let me whole

00:52:28And love me any damn way

00:52:31Don't let me go

00:52:33Don't need a hero

00:52:36Just stand by me

00:52:39Calm the chaos, you and me

00:52:44Calm the storm

00:52:46Calm the sea

00:52:49Calm the saken

00:52:52Harking to me

00:52:54I can handle your demons

00:52:57You can handle me

00:52:59What I can handle unless you leave me

00:53:04So love me broken and let me whole

00:53:10And love me any damn way

00:53:13Don't let me go

00:53:15I don't need a hero

00:53:18Just stand by me

00:53:20Just stand by me

00:53:22Calm the chaos, you and me

00:53:31All right

00:53:33We're back

00:53:33We are back

00:53:34We are still here

00:53:36We do have some odd news stories for you guys

00:53:38Everybody likes these crazy

00:53:39Odd news stories

00:53:40So I got

00:53:41I got one here

00:53:43That a bottle of wine

00:53:46Okay

00:53:46If there's any winos out there

00:53:48A bottle of wine from 1945

00:53:53Was sold at an auction

00:53:54And there it is

00:53:58It's a 750 ml bottle

00:54:01I don't even know how to say this word

00:54:03It's foreign

00:54:04I'll give you that

00:54:05Sold for $812,000

00:54:10$812,000

00:54:11For a bottle of wine

00:54:16Who's drinking an $812,000 bottle of wine?

00:54:19I have no clue

00:54:21Not me

00:54:23You want to drink an $812,000 bottle?

00:54:26They broke the record

00:54:27It was set in 2018

00:54:29For $558,000

00:54:31So

00:54:32I will pass

00:54:33We do got a good video for you

00:54:35From our folks out of North Carolina

00:54:37They sent this over

00:54:38For a Guinness World Record

00:54:39Everybody likes the Guinness World Records

00:54:41I don't know why they do

00:54:42But everybody likes them

00:54:42So we always got to bring you one

00:54:44And here is a trick horse

00:54:47In North Carolina

00:54:48That set a new Guinness World Record

00:54:51Doing 38 tricks

00:54:53In 2 minutes and 47 seconds

00:54:57Happening around the community

00:54:58One woman in Bolivia

00:55:00Is getting international attention

00:55:02This comes after she and her horse

00:55:04Broke a Guinness World Record

00:55:06WCT's Ariana Bertolotti

00:55:08Sat down with that record-breaking duo

00:55:10Ariana, what world record did they break?

00:55:13Well Delaney, Lauren Zepeda

00:55:14And her Mustang Gringo

00:55:16Broke the record for performing

00:55:1738 tricks under 3 minutes

00:55:20But for Zepeda

00:55:21It's not just about the title

00:55:22She hopes it shows

00:55:24There's more to horses

00:55:25Than just riding

00:55:28My name is Lauren Zepeda

00:55:32The horses have been in my life

00:55:34He's taking his time

00:55:35Forever

00:55:37The whole trick performing thing

00:55:39Kind of happened by accident

00:55:40I was competing in obstacle challenges

00:55:44And I had acquired Gringo

00:55:46And I was using him for that

00:55:47He's a Mustang

00:55:48So Mustangs are like naturally really hardy

00:55:50And oh Gringo

00:55:52He's just dying to perform

00:55:53He don't understand

00:55:54Smile

00:55:54He's very passionate about his job

00:55:57He loves his job

00:55:58I was off on the sidelines

00:56:00You know, doing tricks with him

00:56:02You know, just showing people

00:56:03How he could sit down

00:56:04And lay down

00:56:04And do different things

00:56:05And it caught people's attention

00:56:07And I had someone off

00:56:09And be like

00:56:10Hey, could you do like a little

00:56:11Half-time show for this event

00:56:14And one thing led to another

00:56:15And I started actually getting gigs

00:56:18Performing with horses

00:56:23Horses don't only have to be used for riding

00:56:25I know that's surprising to some people

00:56:27But especially when they're getting older

00:56:29Or, you know, if they have some sort of issue

00:56:31That they're not being able to be utilized for riding

00:56:33Knowing that they can have something

00:56:35You can do on the ground

00:56:36That's tremendous

00:56:37That gives a horse a purpose

00:56:39It gives them a career

00:56:44Oh Gringo

00:56:45And the Guinness World Records

00:56:47Has a ton of like crazy records out there

00:56:49And I had heard about there being one

00:56:52For the most tricks performed under three minutes

00:56:55I saw the video of it

00:56:56And someone said

00:56:57Oh, you could do that

00:56:59Or Gringo in particular could do that

00:57:05They had to pre-approve all the tricks

00:57:08Which was

00:57:09That in itself was complicated

00:57:11They told me

00:57:12You're not allowed to have a halter

00:57:13Or a bridle

00:57:15Or any kind of equipment on the horse whatsoever

00:57:17And I can't have any tools in my hand

00:57:20So when they told me that everything had to be like verbal

00:57:23Or like sign language

00:57:24I had to really up my game

00:57:26Whenever the day of the event happened

00:57:29We completed it in two minutes and 47 seconds

00:57:32So we had a whole 13 seconds to spare

00:57:35And of course after the fact

00:57:36I'm kicking myself

00:57:37Like, oh, I could have done more

00:57:38My original goal was 36 tricks

00:57:43What was the current record at the time was 33

00:57:45And I got it up to 38

00:57:48And I get this feeling of I got to do it

00:57:51And everyone's watching me

00:57:53And if I don't do it

00:57:54Or if I mess up

00:57:55And the horses don't see it that way

00:57:59The horses, they practice here

00:58:01And it's just all fun and games

00:58:03And it's what we do every day

00:58:04And they have nothing to prove to anyone

00:58:10It doesn't feel real

00:58:12We have the physical record now

00:58:14They're really quick to send it to us

00:58:17It still doesn't feel

00:58:19It still doesn't feel, you know, real

00:58:21So I'm just like carrying it with me at this point

00:58:23All my events to show everybody

00:58:27I'll be doing it until the horses tell me no

00:58:30Until the horses tell me no

00:58:32So that's whenever, whenever I'll stop

00:58:35But I could see myself maybe next year

00:58:39Thinking about breaking our own record

00:58:42In Bolivia, Ariana Bertilotti, WECT News

00:58:48To be crowned PBR World Champion

00:58:50You've got to make every ride count

00:58:53The 2026 PBR World Finals Championship

00:58:56Is returning to Dickey's Arena

00:58:58May 14th through the 17th

00:59:00Get your tickets now

00:59:01It's bowl time

00:59:04J이밋 isto

00:59:05Listen to us

00:59:05Bye

00:59:06Somewhere

00:59:15Bye

00:59:26Bye

00:59:33From the PBR to the Premier Women's Rodeo, you've got lots to see there in Cowtown in May.

00:59:40It's going to be a busy, busy time.

00:59:43Now, as we were watching the Guinness World Record horse there,

00:59:47I do believe the horse owner was very excited as she spoke to the news channel.

00:59:54Was she excited or not?

00:59:56She was.

00:59:57She was very excited.

00:59:58I thought she was asleep.

01:00:01It sounded like she was sleeping there for a minute.

01:00:04Not a lot else is going on.

01:00:06We've got the bottle of wine.

01:00:09Oh, you know what we've got?

01:00:10We've got something.

01:00:11We're talking about riding horses and going places.

01:00:14So, recently, we hauled some colts over to the 6RS Ranch.

01:00:21The 6RS Ranch.

01:00:22It's like a seven generations, seven generational ranch.

01:00:28And it's been in this family for seven.

01:00:30It's a two-, three-hundred-year-old place, about 3,500 acres.

01:00:35And so, we went out there and rode around, and we found, I've got some pictures somewhere here,

01:00:42the sign of the cemetery.

01:00:44So, we went to the cemetery on this place.

01:00:48And at this cemetery, which is what I've got here, it goes back to 1822.

01:00:57So, there's a headstone somewhere, I think I've got in there, from, this is just, I've got a little chain

01:01:04link fence just out the middle of nowhere.

01:01:06I mean, it's in the middle of nowhere.

01:01:07The middle is 3,500 acres, and there is a cemetery.

01:01:10So, you've got 1822 to 1884.

01:01:15And so, that was pretty neat to see, just hidden out there.

01:01:20And you've got to think, so that was the early 1800s.

01:01:24So, to imagine what it looked like back there, just nestled into all these pine trees in the middle of

01:01:30nowhere, this little cemetery.

01:01:32So, there had been probably a farmhouse or an old house or something, you know, out there.

01:01:36Now, the new house is up on a hill over the, they've got a hundred-acre pool out there.

01:01:42And so, the house is up with that, and you can see that.

01:01:44And I was like, man, I wish I'd have brought my fishing pole.

01:01:46I don't know if anyone's doing a little fishing, but if they've got that, and they've got an old, they

01:01:51call it an artesian well, it's still running.

01:01:55Wow.

01:01:55It's steadily pumping water into the creeks over there.

01:01:59But it was a pretty neat place.

01:02:01And you can go out there, and you can ride your horse.

01:02:02You can go out there for the day and ride.

01:02:04You can camp out, or you can even rent the place out.

01:02:08And it's a pretty neat deal.

01:02:10We went out there with the backcountry horsemen of Texas.

01:02:14We went out there and rode around with them because they were having a big annual deal, so we went

01:02:20to go check that out.

01:02:21Because they're, they've big advocacy on, you know, keeping places open for people to go ride because not everybody that

01:02:28competes or rodeos or stuff, they wanted to go ride somewhere.

01:02:32Well, they need somewhere to go, so all these places like that, private ranch, they stay open and let the

01:02:37people come ride.

01:02:38And it's a pretty neat deal.

01:02:40Well, and I like it because I like taking colts out there because you can only ride your own place

01:02:45so much.

01:02:46I need them to see some different stuff.

01:02:48I want to see something else and do this, do that, go over some trees, run through some creeks, go

01:02:51over some hills.

01:02:53And like all my young horses, I like it because, to me, they're thinking, and they're paying attention to what

01:03:00they're doing.

01:03:02And it works better for me.

01:03:03I guess everybody does different.

01:03:06Keeps them fresh.

01:03:07Yeah.

01:03:07Keeps you fresh, keeps them fresh.

01:03:08It's like, go see some new country and change up the patterns of things.

01:03:12And I could be in an arena all day and be pretty content with myself because I just like finessing

01:03:16things.

01:03:16But you've got to get them out, you know, especially those young horses.

01:03:19Like, you know, you just think them, get some purpose to why they're doing what they're doing.

01:03:24And there's nothing better than, that sounds like a cool place to go.

01:03:27I'll have to go check that out.

01:03:28That place is pretty neat.

01:03:30Now, I do want to warn you that you have a bunch of high-headed crossbreds out there that do

01:03:36walk around out there.

01:03:39So, I did have to make a little run for it a time or two.

01:03:44I heard something come out of the brush, and I was walking back to the trailer because they were having

01:03:47their big gathering thing.

01:03:49So, I was walking back to the trailer.

01:03:50And somebody had dumped a big pile of rocks, like crushed concrete, big pile of crushed concrete.

01:03:54Well, I'd seen all the cows that went out past the pool, and they were all out there.

01:03:58Well, I was walking back down the hill.

01:04:00And it's all wooded in that area.

01:04:01So, I hear a calf bellering.

01:04:03I said, oh, one of the calves probably fell asleep.

01:04:05And he was getting up to go catch them.

01:04:07And about the time I turned that corner, big old high-headed cross cow, here she come.

01:04:11Boy, she thought, I'm going to get that calf.

01:04:13And I took off and jumped on that pile of rocks.

01:04:15And I got on the pile of rocks.

01:04:16I kind of danced around up there for a little bit until they figured they'd leave me alone.

01:04:20And they went on.

01:04:20I was like, man.

01:04:23I don't want to find that in the morning when you get up, walk outside, and you've got all the

01:04:26cows right there.

01:04:29Take a hook into your trailer.

01:04:32So, we've got a cub.

01:04:34We've got a black bear.

01:04:36Black bear cub.

01:04:38There is a black bear cub.

01:04:39No, I'm not talking about Harry Hines.

01:04:41I'm talking about New Jersey.

01:04:43New Jersey state police troopers came to the rescue of an abandoned black bear cub found in a ditch on

01:04:50a busy highway.

01:04:52So, he picks him up and takes him for a ride in his cop car there.

01:04:57He's like, oh, no, it's the cop.

01:04:58So, he's hiding.

01:05:03They found him on the highway and got him out of the road and tried to reunite him with his

01:05:10mother.

01:05:13I don't know if they did or not, but that's what they told me.

01:05:18What else we got?

01:05:19Anything else good in here?

01:05:21Oh, the run for the million.

01:05:22Did you see this?

01:05:23The run for the million is going to do a $50,000 breakaway roping showcase this year in partnership with

01:05:33the premier women's rodeo.

01:05:36So, they're going to do this August 14th in South Point.

01:05:40That is going to be an interesting deal because a lot of the people that watch the run for the

01:05:44million itself are going to get to experience breakaway roping.

01:05:48Which, to me, I think is, it's been around forever.

01:05:56It's faster going.

01:05:56But, for the non-rodeo person, the non-horse person, I think it's one of the events that's fairly easy

01:06:03for them to figure out what's happening.

01:06:04Because it goes fast, and you're not hot a lot of time, you don't have a lot of rules.

01:06:08It's pretty self-explanatory.

01:06:10The calf comes out, you get it, you didn't get it, you broke the barrier, and that's it.

01:06:14So, I think that if we're going to see an uprise in breakaway ropers like we did with the reigning,

01:06:21all the reigning people did when the run for the million started.

01:06:25That would be a good deal.

01:06:26That would be a good deal.

01:06:27We need more, people need to be able to see how they can get in, what they can get started

01:06:32in, something that strikes their interest.

01:06:33And that sort of thing.

01:06:35And we saw that with American Performance Horsemen.

01:06:37They did, I don't know if you got to see any of their events, but they did a phenomenal job.

01:06:41And they did, like, the horse show, then they had the Kid Rock concert afterwards.

01:06:45Yeah.

01:06:46And so there's a bunch of people there that are not horse people for the Kid Rock concert, but they

01:06:50sat through this two or three hour long horse event.

01:06:53Yeah.

01:06:53But they gamified it.

01:06:55Like, you could basically plus wagers on, like, which team was going to win or which rider was going to

01:07:00do.

01:07:00So they gamified it and the education on explaining the reigning or explaining the cow horse, like, just made it

01:07:07easy for people to, my parents are not horse people.

01:07:09My dad watched it and he's like, I can understand this.

01:07:11And, like, that's what we need in this industry is for people to go, like, you go watch a cut

01:07:15and run and you're like, how do they score that?

01:07:17Yeah.

01:07:18You know, but if they can break it down, then you can give people a bit of an idea and

01:07:20you can expose them to something that is more, it's not simple to do, but it might be simpler to

01:07:25understand when you're watching it.

01:07:26Right.

01:07:27To go, oh, okay, I can understand that and maybe I'd like to go give that a shot.

01:07:31Yeah.

01:07:31Right?

01:07:32And that's good because there's a lot of, we got the Yellowstone effect and we need to keep riding that

01:07:35one out.

01:07:36You got that.

01:07:36And when you watch that breakaway roping, when you watch the breakaway roping run for a million and you get

01:07:41on the internet and you Google on Facebook the Ranch Hand Challenge and you can come out and do that.

01:07:47We have one, what, how many we got left?

01:07:50Three or four left this year?

01:07:51Mm-hmm.

01:07:51The Ranch Hand Challenge.

01:07:52You come out there and you can rope, you can pin a cow, you can rope a cow.

01:07:55It's all in a safe, enclosed, slow environment where you can learn what to do, how to do, how to

01:08:03operate your horse, how to operate a cow.

01:08:07And it's fun for everybody.

01:08:08So check that out with that.

01:08:10I guess we are going to get out of here.

01:08:12You got anything else, Stacey?

01:08:15Nothing.

01:08:15Nothing?

01:08:16No.

01:08:16I love it.

01:08:17You got a horse to feed or nothing?

01:08:18You got a dog to check on, horses to feed?

01:08:21Hopefully I have people feeding.

01:08:22Hopefully I have a team at the house.

01:08:25Oh, all right.

01:08:25Making that happen.

01:08:27Anything else, Colton?

01:08:27You got anything else to – you're going to go home and start to see if you can beat that

01:08:31trick record?

01:08:33Yeah.

01:08:34Get my trick horse out of the field.

01:08:35See if you can knock them out.

01:08:37Get up two and a half minutes and defeat the old Ringo there.

01:08:46Oh, man.

01:08:46All right.

01:08:46Well, I guess with that, we're going to get out of here and go sit in traffic.

01:09:16All right.

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