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00:11Hello and welcome to your Tuesday One Show live on BBC One and I play out with Lauren Laverne.
00:17And JB Gill. Lots coming up tonight, including an award-winning singer who supported Taylor Swift.
00:23She's going to be joined on this sofa by not one, but two former stars of The Traitors.
00:28Yes, Celebrity Traitors faithful Lucy Beaumont is hitting the road for a brand new comedy tour.
00:34She'll be telling us how awkward quiz show moments inspired her latest show and lifting the lid on how she
00:39once invented a popular Italian dish.
00:41Yeah, or at least she thought so at the time.
00:44And fresh from his trip to Italy, we've got Traitors winner Harry Clark, who's been on his best behaviour while
00:50on a mission to meet the Pope for a brand new BBC documentary.
00:54Later on, he's going to be exclusively revealing whether his pilgrimage to Rome was a success.
00:59Can't wait to find out.
01:01And closer to home, we are looking at a brand new pilgrim trail in Yorkshire that's sending locals on a
01:06spiritual journey of their own.
01:08Kevin Dwyer has been chatting to pilgrims about their personal reasons for travelling the 40-mile route in the stunning
01:14North York moors.
01:15Oh, stunning's the word. It really is beautiful, that one.
01:17Also tonight, ahead of the release of her brilliant new album, we're joined by a singer whose music's been streamed
01:23more than half a billion times.
01:26Yes, Brit Award winner Holly Humberston is going to be telling us how it felt to be handpicked by Taylor
01:31Swift to support her on her era's tour.
01:34So amazing. And we love hearing from you.
01:36So if you've got a question or comment on anything in tonight's show, then do get in touch on WhatsApp
01:41033 0123 1700, on socials or on email.
01:45Yes, please. But first tonight, we're going to be shining a light on a subject that's never far from the
01:50headlines.
01:50That is homelessness. There are currently record numbers of rough sleepers across the UK, as well as more and more
01:56families living in temporary accommodation.
01:59Mina Shannon's been to Manchester to see how the community there has come together to not only help people get
02:04off the street, but also give them back their independence.
02:10Chris has been sleeping rough on and off since he was 13.
02:13One of hundreds of thousands experiencing homelessness across Britain.
02:17It really does affect your mental health. So you've got nowhere where it's warm and just totally cuts you up
02:23inside.
02:25Manchester has a large homeless population, many living beneath the city's growing skyline of new apartment blocks.
02:32But now, a new project isn't just getting people off the streets.
02:36It's preparing them for independent living.
02:39But the biggest difference here is that the community itself came together to build it.
02:46This is Embassy Village, believed to be the UK's biggest purpose-built site for rough sleepers.
02:5340 homes under the rail arches with shared areas for meals, training and support.
03:02There's been about 130 different local businesses, some trust funds, churches, all piling and helping us out with funding and
03:11people and time and building materials to get to this point.
03:14It's not just about, you know, getting people at home. It's much more than that, isn't it?
03:19We really want to see transformation in people's lives.
03:21What Embassy Village is doing is creating that scenario where, no, you are responsible for your own home, but in
03:26a community and a supportive community where it's compulsory to learn to shop and cook and budget and get into
03:31work.
03:32This is a dress rehearsal for managing a home, for managing your finances.
03:37Paying a small amount of rent means residents can get a landlord's reference for when they move on.
03:42That's what I'm excited about, is seeing people's lives turned around.
03:45Has there been any pushback with any of the neighbours or anything like that?
03:49The concerns were, is it going to be dangerous criminals?
03:52So when we were able to go, oh no, that's not who we work with, most people then were like,
03:56oh, that's fine then.
03:57Peel Waters has provided the land to be used as a homeless village on a 125-year lease.
04:04The idea for the project originally came from Managing Director James Whittaker.
04:09All these businesses work free of charge.
04:12I reckon it was probably, in terms of time spent, over ÂŁ2 million at least that was given by the
04:19business community to make this happen.
04:20It's the whole business community of Manchester coming together and seeing it through.
04:25Some of the local businesses who helped are here today.
04:29We provide town planning advice to normally developers, investors, landowners.
04:34But we've, on this occasion, been providing free town planning advice to assist with the delivery of the scheme.
04:39And it's brilliant to see it here and, you know, people moving in.
04:44We've supplied all the beds as a donation.
04:47This one included?
04:47Yeah, this one included.
04:48Very comfy.
04:49Yeah.
04:50We're a third generation family business.
04:52And we had a store in Salford as well where we would see homeless people on the streets.
04:59And it was, yeah, heartbreaking really for them to see in and what was there.
05:05Of course.
05:07Everything here from your bed to your kitchen, which is state-of-the-art, to a start-up kit with
05:13teabags and biscuits,
05:14has been donated by businesses across the region.
05:19Everything is in place for Chris, who today is moving in.
05:23Welcome to Emcee Village.
05:24And here you are.
05:25I've got the keys for your apartment.
05:27Brilliant.
05:28And he's the first resident to pick up his keys.
05:31Chris, how exciting is it getting the keys to your place?
05:35I would prove now I've been given another chance.
05:38I'm just looking forward to the future and see what it brings.
05:41And with the help of the guys, it's looking good.
05:46Yeah.
05:47Sid's charity started helping the homeless back in 2019 by converting a former Coldplay tour bus into a mobile shelter.
05:55Today, he hopes to help hundreds more rebuild their lives, supported by local businesses offering jobs.
06:02I think employment's a really important piece because people are discovering a community with their colleagues at work and so
06:08on.
06:09They've got other communities by the time they leave us.
06:11What are you most proud of, Sam's and here right now?
06:13I think the team has worked unbelievably hard to get this done.
06:17Both volunteers and paid members, staff, trustees.
06:20It's pretty humbling.
06:22This is a community coming together.
06:24Businesses, councils and volunteers.
06:27All proving that when people pull in the same direction, lives can change.
06:36Such a brilliant initiative there.
06:38Thank you, Mina.
06:39Yeah, wonderful idea.
06:40And seeing everybody pull together.
06:41And, of course, we wish Chris the best of luck with everything.
06:45All right.
06:46Time now to introduce tonight's guests.
06:48We've got comedian Lucy Beaumont, Traitor's winner Harry Clark and musician Holly Humberston.
06:53Welcome, Holly.
06:54Welcome, guys.
06:55Now, Harry, we just saw another Traitor's star there in Mina.
06:59Is it fair to say there's a good camaraderie between all the Traitor's stars from the different series?
07:03Yeah, definitely.
07:04I mean, I can feel Lucy getting further and further away because she doesn't want to be sat next to
07:09me, does she?
07:10But, no, I say it's just like school, you know.
07:11When you leave school, you have these groups of friends, them little gangs.
07:14And when we come together for an event or something, we're all just like best friends.
07:17So it's great.
07:18Yeah.
07:18Yeah, Lucy.
07:19I mean, Harry's probably right there because you were faithful all the way.
07:22Obviously, Harry, one of the best Traitors we've had, definitely.
07:24But you were murdered face to face, weren't you?
07:27So how do you feel sitting next to Harry?
07:29I don't go to any events with Harry.
07:33No, I don't.
07:33I stay with you.
07:34No, I took it really personally.
07:36It's unbelievable.
07:37But your feet, you must feel awful.
07:40I did at the time, but then it was like, once I won, it was just reminding myself who I
07:45was there for.
07:47I've had a lot of practice with that answer, don't I?
07:50Yeah, no redemption here.
07:51Now, Holly, you must be very excited to be sat alongside these two because you're a massive Traitors fan, aren't
07:55you?
07:56I am.
07:56I'm not going to lie.
07:57Yeah, I love Traitors, so I'm keeping my cool.
08:01Big fan of you both.
08:02You might do the celebrity one.
08:04I bet we'll keep going.
08:05Yeah.
08:05I think I'd be a bit hopeless, to be honest.
08:07Yeah, I mean, huge respect to the both of you.
08:10I feel like I'm a terrible liar.
08:11I could never be a traitor, and I feel like I act suspicious, even if I'm not.
08:18So, I don't know.
08:19I think I'd be one of the first to go.
08:22That might be a double block.
08:23Exactly.
08:24But also, dream to watch, from our point of view, is to be able to enjoy that.
08:28Well, listen, it's not just celebrity Traitors that Lucy starred in.
08:32In the past few years, alongside her comedy, she's been on numerous quiz shows, from The Weakest Link to House
08:37of Games.
08:38But the results didn't exactly go to plan.
08:40And that is exactly the inspiration behind her brand-new stand-up tour, which celebrates her quiz show, Fails.
08:46And before we find out more, let's take a quick look at Lucy on Celebrity Mastermind, answering questions on her
08:51specialist subject, Les Dawson.
08:53Oh, God.
08:54In 1973, Dawson made his Royal Variety Performance debut and was greeted with great acclaim, despite being very nervous at
09:01having to follow Lynn Seymour and which ballet dancer on the bill?
09:05Pass.
09:05On Dawson's second appearance as the subject of This Is Your Life in 1992, he was surprised by the presenter,
09:12Michael Aspel, at the curtain call of what pantomime at the Theatre Royal in Plymouth?
09:17Pass.
09:19Dawson's first novel, published in 1974 and based on his own escapades on the comedy circuit, is entitled A Card
09:25for the what?
09:27Pass.
09:28Oh!
09:29Lucy!
09:31I couldn't stop saying pass.
09:33There was one or two I knew, but I'd got in a rhythm.
09:36I couldn't stop.
09:36Do you know what, it's one of those things, when you do those shows, you actually can't get yourself out
09:41of your head sometimes, can you?
09:43Oh, it got worse.
09:44It got, it got, it got really bad.
09:46But he's like my idol, Les Dawson.
09:49And I got in touch with his daughter and everything.
09:52But I don't think you're allowed to say, but they said, well, read his autobiography because we'll ask you questions
09:58and that.
09:58And then I thought, oh, I'll read it the night before I do the show because then it'll all be
10:02in my head.
10:03But I fell asleep on page three.
10:05No!
10:06They didn't ask me anything up until page three.
10:09I could have told him, like, where he was born, but they asked after.
10:13I said, I don't know.
10:14I said, I just haven't got to that part of the book yet.
10:17Lucy, you'd also, when we were watching that clip, you looked genuinely traumatised.
10:21Yes, you did.
10:21I was traumatised.
10:23But do you know, like, because it's an empty studio, but I heard laughing coming from behind a wall.
10:28Or somewhere else.
10:29It was awful.
10:30Oh, no.
10:31It felt like a dream, though, you know.
10:33And I was like, and then, you know, when you go, I was like, in my head I was thinking,
10:36I don't think anyone watches Mastermind anymore.
10:39And then they said, oh, it's going to be on Christmas Day or Christmas Eve.
10:42Oh, my God.
10:43And it was my granddad that was, because my granddad was like, can you stop doing these shows?
10:48Because I live in a cul-de-sac and I can't get away from the neighbours.
10:51Well, look, unfortunately for you, Mastermind is absolutely massive, especially on Christmas Eve.
10:56But this has all worked out fine, because you've taken inspiration from this and some other quiz shows that you've
11:02been on where things didn't work out as you'd hoped.
11:04What kind of thing?
11:08What hasn't worked out?
11:09House of Games.
11:11Which shows?
11:12None of them have worked out.
11:13Well, the weakest link, I spent longer travelling than I was in the studio.
11:18I was in the studio 25 minutes.
11:22And it took three and a half hours to get down there.
11:25It's just been a nightmare.
11:27But they keep asking me to do it.
11:28And in my head I think, this time.
11:32The wheel, ÂŁ98,000.
11:36You lost someone ÂŁ98,000?
11:37Yeah, and then the second tab, ÂŁ75,000, just because I didn't know about foxes.
11:46Harry, on a brighter note, you've been on the weakest link and did quite well, didn't you?
11:50Yeah, I know.
11:50I actually shocked myself, to be fair.
11:52I thought I was going to be a goner as soon as I went in there.
11:54And I actually did really well.
11:56I got halfway through.
11:57Then I got a question on salad.
11:58And I was just like, mate, does it look like I eat salad?
12:01And it was about a salad dressing.
12:03And I'm not a chef.
12:04I just survive off chicken nuggets and chips, by the way.
12:06So that's why I struggle with that one.
12:07And then just because I got that wrong, obviously it's a team game.
12:10Everyone just voted me out.
12:11And I was like, oh, cheers.
12:12I guess I deserve that one.
12:13But still, yeah, I did shock myself for how far I got.
12:16You're not bitter about it, though.
12:17No, no, no.
12:19Definitely not.
12:20Still don't even know any salad dressings, either.
12:22Choose not to learn them now.
12:24I was going to say, there's still time.
12:25Now, Lucy, back to touring.
12:27You're going to be gigging all over the UK.
12:29Do you notice a difference when you're gigging in different regions?
12:32No.
12:33No.
12:33But, you know, because there used to be, like, a thing about saying, like, the North-South
12:36divide or, like, you know, like, like, Northerners are like, well, no, it's, it was lovely the
12:43last time.
12:43It was the same.
12:44Everywhere you go, it's like people, like, really look forward to, like, you know, because
12:48people know who you are now.
12:50Because when you start out, you sort of prove yourself.
12:53And now it feels like you're just, like, in a room full of friends, you know.
12:56The best show for me was Guildford last time.
12:59So, yeah, it just, it's the same.
13:01I think everyone, like, now, everyone, like, genuinely wants a laugh.
13:05Like, you need it, don't you?
13:07Yes, exactly.
13:07Especially these days.
13:09And, you know, you also talk about the previous jobs that you've had, including working at
13:13a pizza counter when you thought you'd invented a famous dish.
13:17Yeah.
13:19I worked at the supermarket.
13:21They put me, do you know, it's like where you pick your own toppings, do you know?
13:25And, like, so you put it on a, you don't want a long-winded version of this, do you?
13:29But you put it on, like, a plinth, you know, to put the shrink wrap over it.
13:33But because, like, some of the customers bullied me into putting too many toppings, it
13:37used to, like, collapse.
13:39And so I used to fold the pizzas over so none of the managers knew how much toppings I
13:44was putting on it.
13:45And then I finally saved up enough money to go to Italy with my friends.
13:49And everyone was eating calzones.
13:51And I thought, how was it caught on this quick?
13:56I honestly thought I'd invented folded pizzas.
14:00So, yeah.
14:01Brilliant.
14:02What do you mean before your time?
14:04I know.
14:05It blew my mind.
14:07Brilliant.
14:08Excellent.
14:08Well, tickets for Lucy's Tour, Baddock Quiz Shows, Good With Weirdos, are available
14:12right now.
14:13Still to come, Holly's going to be telling us what it was like to play to 90,000 people
14:17at Wembley Stadium.
14:18Amazing.
14:19Plus, it will be exclusively revealing if Harry was successful on his mission to get an audience
14:24with the Pope as part of his new documentary.
14:26But first, with Easter just days away, Kevin DeWall has been to meet a group of people who've
14:31been on a spiritual quest of their own on a new pilgrim trail in Yorkshire.
14:38To mark Lent, visitors are gathering in the North York Moors for a trail that culminates
14:44at the stunning Revo Abbey.
14:46Going for a long walk in the beautiful countryside is undoubtedly good for you.
14:51But you know, some people might just want to get more from it.
14:55That's what pilgrims are looking for today from the St. Elrids Trail.
15:00It has three routes mapped out.
15:01One for walkers, one for cyclists and one for horseback riders, taken in nine churches
15:07along the way.
15:08We're starting at Old Island.
15:10I think it's great to be out in, sort of, have a reason to be out in nature.
15:15It gives it a purpose.
15:16It's a great thing to have the trail.
15:19It brings together everybody.
15:21The pilgrimage was the idea of George and Malgate, after a walk they took to Revo Abbey
15:26in 2009.
15:28The very first time you came through and Revo Abbey was in front of you, what was that
15:33feeling like?
15:34Didn't know what to expect, really.
15:35It was fantastic.
15:37The grandeur was just more inspiring.
15:40But something kicked off at that point and it kind of transformed our lives in a way.
15:45It did.
15:46On the spot, they decided to move here and George realised he was on a spiritual journey
15:51too.
15:51The pilgrimage had become about me as well and my own spiritual journey about rediscovering
15:56my faith.
15:57And then we started going to church and creating the trail.
16:01It's very much about me with God and giving an opportunity for other people to find that
16:07experience as well.
16:08They named their trail after St. Elrids of Revo, a 12th century monk who lived at the Abbey.
16:13Mal and local farmer Joyce Carbert walked miles of public footpaths to devise the best walking
16:19trail.
16:20It stretches for 41 miles.
16:22You've got fabulous views, but it's steep hills.
16:26Horse riding and cycling routes were then added.
16:28John, Andrew and their mates are following the 36-mile bike pilgrimage.
16:33It's going to take about five hours, I would think, today.
16:36Whether you're spiritual with a capital S or spiritual with a small s, it's just a great
16:42opportunity to get together with some like-minded friends and, you know, cycle what is just
16:47a gorgeous trail.
16:48Back on the walking route, the first stop is Scorton.
16:53What made you want to come on the pilgrimage in the first place?
16:55There is something so kind of analogue about going back to a pilgrimage and meeting people
17:00and connecting in a really meaningful way without having to jump on your phone.
17:04Bill Tate is guiding the 50-mile horseback pilgrimage today.
17:08So this is Amigo, and he's taken me safely hundreds of miles all over these moors.
17:15In the past, people would travel on horseback or on foot, and they'd be visiting places like
17:21Revo.
17:22Best views are always from the back of a horse.
17:25Across all the trails, there are over 120 pilgrims today, and George is impressed by the
17:30turnout.
17:31Did you ever thought you'd be a daylight today?
17:35Not in my wildest dreams, and it just grows.
17:38I mean, it's growing.
17:38This is bigger than last year, and I'm just worrying about next year now, Kevin.
17:46This annual Lent pilgrimage has attracted people from far afield.
17:51Bishop Andrew Rumsey has come from Wiltshire to take part.
17:54We're in the season of Lent, and everybody together is walking towards Easter.
17:59I've made some fascinating connections already today, and I think sometimes you discover those
18:05kinds of depths while you're walking together.
18:07When you're on the same path, you discover relationship.
18:12But personally, for you then, why are you here?
18:14Originally, I came on this pilgrimage because I wanted to see Revo Abbey.
18:19Before long, the cyclists have done their 36 miles.
18:22It makes you really appreciate what's important, and especially when you're doing it with family and friends.
18:29Brilliant.
18:30After our long journey, we all converge on the Abbey itself, where we're welcomed in true Yorkshire fashion by the
18:38Billsdale Silver Band.
18:42Seeing the Abbey across the valley, it was spectacular.
18:47It's actually been really special.
18:49I wouldn't like go home and think about things.
18:50It just captured the essence of what I hope the St. Aaron's Pilgrim Trail is about.
18:59I mean, such a beautiful backdrop.
19:01They're gorgeous.
19:02A lovely part of the world, isn't it?
19:03I need to go and visit that Abbey.
19:04I was straight on the National Trust website when I heard about that film.
19:07Yes, of course you are.
19:07All over it.
19:08Now, Harry, I'm sure that that film will resonate with you because you've been on a pilgrimage too.
19:14But on yours, you were trying to meet the Pope.
19:16So take us back on all of this.
19:18How did it come about?
19:19It's the craziest story, actually.
19:21I'll try and keep it short and sweet.
19:23But it was literally from the pilgrimage I went on before that.
19:26So I went on BBC Pilgrimage where we travelled through the Alps and Austria.
19:30And we were actually sat in a pilgrim hostess's little cabin.
19:34There was donkeys walking around and that cockerel's walking through.
19:37And there was this lovely German woman who couldn't speak a word of English.
19:40Anyway, we'd finished filming.
19:41I got the Google Translate out, trusty Google Translate.
19:44She basically said to us, look, in wintertime, this is covered in snow.
19:48So all of the food, drink, everything needs to be gone from the farm.
19:50So she said, I've got you a present.
19:52She walks in with these home-brewed two cases of beer.
19:55And I was like, lovely.
19:56And I'm sat there next to Tom, which is a producer at CTVC,
20:00which I made this new show with.
20:01And we're there.
20:02We tried these home-brewed beers.
20:03And they went down swell, as you can imagine.
20:05We're just chatting to each other.
20:06And again, I've got loads of ideas firing out my ears, my nose, my mouth.
20:10I mean, I don't know why I didn't start with my mouth,
20:11but they're just firing out all the time, as you can tell.
20:14And I'm sat there and I'm speaking to him.
20:15And he's like, what do you want to do next?
20:16And I'm like, mate, I could do this.
20:17I could do that.
20:18And he's like, yeah, but as a Catholic, what do you want to do next?
20:20And at that point in my life, the pilgrimage,
20:23that one through Austria and Switzerland,
20:24had deepened my faith massively.
20:26But I thought I was still a modern Catholic.
20:28I didn't believe the historical values of the church,
20:31didn't necessarily believe in the Bible.
20:32I thought the church was within.
20:33I don't need to go every Sunday to prove I'm a Catholic.
20:36So I said, you know what?
20:37I'll just go to Rome and ask the Pope all these questions.
20:39And he's gone, yeah, all right, mate.
20:40Yeah, yeah.
20:41And I've gone, now I would,
20:42if someone wanted to take the shot at it.
20:44And then that was the start of the idea.
20:46Yeah.
20:47Well, yes, you can probably tell from his excitement.
20:49In Harry's new documentary,
20:50he's relentless in his pursuit to get an audience with the Pope
20:53to discuss what it means to be a Catholic today.
20:55So let's have a little look at what we can expect.
20:59Hello.
21:00I have a crazy question, actually.
21:01Do you reckon it's possible for me to meet the Pope at all?
21:06I've not been to confession for so long,
21:08between six to ten years.
21:09If you've done anything which is what we call a mortal sin,
21:13you need sacramental confession.
21:16I don't want to read it.
21:17I don't want to read it.
21:18Who's it from?
21:19I just had a message from someone from the Vatican.
21:22I'm literally, like, shaking.
21:25I mean, the stress of waiting for the Vatican to text you back,
21:30I can't even imagine.
21:31But as we saw there, you know, lots of obstacles in your way,
21:34lots of dead ends that you reached,
21:35but you did have someone with you for moral support,
21:38and that was your mum.
21:39Why was it important for you to have her?
21:41I mean, firstly, shout-out to the most important woman in my life,
21:44my mum.
21:44It's her birthday today.
21:46Yeah, happy birthday, mum.
21:47We love you.
21:48Happy birthday.
21:48She was just, like, the rock.
21:51She's the rock for everyone who knows her,
21:53and especially in my faith journey.
21:55You know, I only had faith
21:57because my mum made me go to church as a kid,
21:59and I didn't want to disappoint her.
22:00So growing up, it was always,
22:02I'm a Catholic because of my mum.
22:03And then when I went through a hard time
22:05and my own mental health issues,
22:06being in the army when I was around 20,
22:07it was funny because I remember I literally went to my mum
22:11and I was sat there, I put my hands up,
22:12and I said, look, mum, I've used up all my resources.
22:14I feel like a burden on you, the family.
22:17She just simply went to me,
22:18Harry, what's the one thing you know how to do?
22:19Just start praying again.
22:21And then that moment there was basically what saved my life.
22:23So, yeah, I couldn't thank her enough,
22:25and I couldn't have asked for a better travel partner either.
22:28Yeah, I mean, it's an amazing thing, isn't it?
22:30It's such a turning point in a place.
22:31Oh, sorry to butt in.
22:32No, go on.
22:32She's got five other kids,
22:33so I wanted to be the favourite for at least a bit.
22:35I mean, we can go with the first one,
22:38but secondly, also, I do want to be favourite,
22:40and hopefully now I am for at least a year.
22:42That as well.
22:43It's going to be hard to top this joke.
22:44I know, exactly.
22:45Well, listen, Harry, you've got to put us out of our misery.
22:48Did you manage to get the meeting, yes or no?
22:50I don't know.
22:51Drum roll, please.
22:52I mean, I should probably give a disclaimer.
22:53I'm not lying when I say this.
22:54Yes, but yes, I met Pope Leo the 14th,
22:59and it was insane.
23:00We had a private meeting in his office as well,
23:02so it wasn't just like he walked past me
23:04and I got his eyesight and was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
23:07No, like we had an actual meeting in his office
23:10for about half an hour.
23:11Half an hour?
23:12Yeah, he invited me to stay.
23:13So imagine we meet first, and we're there,
23:15and I'm like, oh, my gosh, I'm meeting the Pope.
23:17You know, like, this is insane.
23:19And then we get speaking, and he gives me a gift.
23:21I give him a gift, which is the best gift in the world.
23:23What did you give him?
23:24I gave him a Chelsea home kit shirt
23:25with Pope Leo the 14th on the back.
23:27I just thought if I could give him anything that's me,
23:30what is me?
23:32And that's just me to a T.
23:33You know, there's two most important things in my life,
23:36and my faith, my family, but also Chelsea.
23:39Yeah.
23:39And so it just worked perfectly.
23:41And then, yeah, he said to me at the end
23:42of that little meeting, do you have five minutes?
23:44And I'm looking around going, do I have five minutes?
23:47I mean, I've got all day if you want.
23:48Yeah, let me check my diary.
23:49Do you know what I mean?
23:49See if I've got five minutes.
23:51And then he was like, come and join me in my office
23:53and bring whoever you want.
23:54But he was so chilled the whole time.
23:56And he was like, yeah, bring your mum,
23:58bring Johnny, the director.
23:59I'm like, this is crazy.
24:00And it just blew my mind how humble
24:02and how much of an amazing person he was.
24:04And did he give you a blessing in all of that?
24:06Yeah, of course.
24:06Yeah, he gave us a blessing.
24:07Funny enough, I know you probably won't believe this.
24:09I don't even think anyone's going to believe it.
24:11Because even my mum said, what people say, this is AI.
24:13I'm like, I don't care anyway,
24:15because I got to meet him.
24:16And I actually asked if I could pray for him.
24:18So when we were in the office,
24:19because I just thought, that's your job.
24:21You pray for everyone all the time.
24:22But how many times a day does someone pray for you
24:24or say it out loud?
24:25He let me pray for him.
24:26And then I did that in front of my mum and Johnny.
24:28And we're there and we got to speak about everything.
24:30And I think the first initial thing
24:32that blew me off my chair was that when we sat down,
24:35he started speaking to me about mental health.
24:38And I was like, wow,
24:39because that was something I'd been through, you know.
24:42And you also expect the Pope to have that faith pattern,
24:45you know, that hits you over the head and says,
24:46God is the answer.
24:47God is everything.
24:48You need God in your life.
24:48And he said, look, Harry, we have a problem
24:50and I want to try to fix it.
24:51And I think people need to realise
24:53that whether you have God in your life or not,
24:55life is worth living.
24:56And that's the most important thing.
24:57And that was just really the moment where I was like, wow,
25:00this is the most humble, nicest human being
25:03I've ever sat across.
25:04Well, I mean, honestly, it's so profound here.
25:06And you speak like that.
25:08And you can all watch Harry Clark Goes to Rome
25:10on Thursday night at 10.40 on BBC One and iPlayer.
25:13Now, it's been a big few years for Holly here.
25:16Since winning the Rising Star Award at the Brits in 2022,
25:19she's gone on to tour with the likes of Taylor Swift,
25:22Sam Fender and Olivia Rodrigo to name but three.
25:25Her songs have racked up over half a billion streams online too.
25:29And now she's getting ready to play some big gigs of her own
25:32over the summer.
25:33Holly, this is such an exciting time.
25:35So you've been making music since you were very little.
25:38But I know that it was actually your local radio station
25:41and their introducing show, BBC Radio Nottingham,
25:45that gave you your first break.
25:46What happened?
25:47I mean, I have a lot to owe to Dean Jackson,
25:51I feel like is the icon of the East Midlands.
25:54But yeah, I started making music when I was really young,
25:57just kind of at home.
25:58I grew up in quite a creative household.
26:01And yeah, I would just kind of make demos on my dad's laptop.
26:06And I uploaded like kind of a crazy rubbish song to BBC Introducing,
26:14which is like an amazing platform for kind of,
26:18for people who want to be discovered.
26:20And yeah, they were just like really, really lovely and really supportive
26:24and had me in to do like a live session on the BBC,
26:29which was amazing.
26:30And it's kind of just kind of gone from there.
26:33Yeah.
26:33Well, it's definitely gone because those songs have certainly improved.
26:37And a massive fan of yours is none other than Taylor Swift.
26:40She actually chose you to go on her Eras tour with her, didn't she?
26:43Yeah, she did.
26:44I mean, I peaked in August 24th.
26:48Big time for me, yeah.
26:50Yeah, it was amazing.
26:52Like, obviously just so cool to be championed by somebody like Taylor Swift,
26:56who I've grown up idolising.
26:59And yeah, so cool.
27:00Dream come true.
27:01Well, fans like Taylor are in for a treat as Holly is about to release new music.
27:05So let's take a listen to the title track from her latest album, Cruel World.
27:13Without you, baby.
27:18It's a cruel world.
27:22Sugar, don't you be running away for long, please.
27:27Let's get to movie and get caught in the rain.
27:31Wherever you are is my favorite place.
27:35It's a cruel world.
27:38Without you, baby.
27:43Just can't get enough of a gal with a sword.
27:46It's my kind of thing.
27:47Cool.
27:47So, Holly, lots of love coming in for you.
27:49For example, Emily and Eva say we're currently on our 20th show of Holly's tour.
27:54We are so excited for the new album.
27:57She means so much to us.
27:59I love those girls.
28:00Tell us a little bit about what they've got coming up,
28:02because you say that this album's a reflection for you of how far you've come.
28:06Yeah, I mean, I feel like I've learned a lot about myself through just the writing process and the creation
28:12process.
28:13And I feel like not a lot of artists are afforded just time and space to figure out who they
28:20are as people, you know,
28:21let alone artists.
28:23And I've had, like, the most fun kind of on tour, getting to play shows with my band, who have
28:27become, like, my family.
28:29And, yeah, I just, I wanted to make an album that felt, yeah, like a band.
28:34And I have lots to kind of celebrate and so much love in my life.
28:40And I'm really, really proud of this next chapter and excited to get to share it and feel incredibly lucky
28:47to get to do this as a job.
28:49So, yeah.
28:50Well, you should be.
28:51I mean, you've got some massive gigs on the horizon as well.
28:54You're going to be in Coachella in California coming up and obviously Hyde Park as well in the summer.
28:58So how are you looking forward to those?
29:00I'm so excited.
29:01Yeah, I mean, yeah, I've been at home for the past year and a half, like here in London,
29:06just writing and making this music.
29:09And my favourite thing in the world is being on stage and getting to connect with people in real time.
29:15And, yeah, have those, like, shared experiences that make you feel human.
29:20And I think that's kind of what music is all about.
29:22And, yeah, that's why I love to do it, just getting to connect with people.
29:26And I'm so excited to get to travel.
29:29And, yeah, it's great.
29:31I can't complain.
29:32I'm so excited.
29:34Yeah.
29:34Yeah.
29:34Oh, well, Holly's album Cruel World is out on the 10th of April.
29:39Well, we've had lots of lovely messages, including this for Lucy from Glenn, who says,
29:43I thought Lucy was brilliant in her recent play Road in Manchester.
29:47Would love to see her doing more acting.
29:49That's all we've got time for tonight.
29:51Thank you to our wonderful guests.
29:52Yes, I'll be here tomorrow with Angelica.
29:54And we're joined by Matt Tebbett and Joel Dummett, plus Matt's here with Watchdog.
29:57Have a lovely evening.
29:58Bye-bye.
29:58Bye-bye.
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