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00:30Lucy Beaumont is hitting the road for a brand new comedy tour.
00:34She'll be telling us how awkward quiz show moments inspired her latest show
00:38and lifting the lid on how she once invented a popular Italian dish.
00:41Yeah, or at least she thought so at the time.
00:44And fresh from his trip to Italy, we've got traitors winner Harry Clark,
00:48who's been on his best behaviour while on a mission to meet the Pope
00:52for a brand new BBC documentary.
00:54Later on, he's going to be exclusively revealing
00:57whether his pilgrimage to Rome was a success.
00:59Can't wait to find out.
01:01And closer to home, we are looking at a brand new pilgrim trail in Yorkshire
01:05that's sending locals on a spiritual journey of their own.
01:08Kevin Dwight has been chatting to pilgrims about their personal reasons
01:11for travelling the 40-mile route in the stunning North York moors.
01:15Oh, stunning's the word. It really is beautiful, that one.
01:18Also tonight, ahead of the release of her brilliant new album,
01:21we're joined by a singer whose music's been streamed
01:23more than half a billion times.
01:26Yes, Brit Award winner Holly Humberston is going to be telling us
01:29how it felt to be handpicked by Taylor Swift
01:31to support her on her era's tour.
01:34So amazing.
01:35And we love hearing from you.
01:36So if you've got a question or comment on anything in tonight's show,
01:39then do get in touch on WhatsApp,
01:41033-0123-1700, on socials or on email.
01:45Yes, please.
01:46But first tonight, we're going to be shining a light
01:48on a subject that's never far from the headlines,
01:50that is homelessness.
01:52There are currently record numbers of rough sleepers across the UK,
01:55as well as more and more families living in temporary accommodation.
01:59Mina Shannon's been to Manchester to see how the community there
02:02has come together to not only help people get off the street,
02:05but also give them back their independence.
02:10Chris has been sleeping rough on and off since he was 13,
02:13one of hundreds of thousands experiencing homelessness across Britain.
02:17It really does affect your mental health,
02:20so you've got nowhere where it's warm
02:21and it just totally cuts you up inside.
02:25Manchester has a large homeless population,
02:27many living beneath the city's growing skyline of new apartment blocks.
02:32But now, a new project isn't just getting people off the streets,
02:36it's preparing them for independent living.
02:39But the biggest difference here
02:41is that the community itself came together to build it.
02:46This is Embassy Village,
02:48believed to be the UK's biggest purpose-built site for rough sleepers.
02:5340 homes under the rail arches,
02:55with shared areas for meals, training and support.
02:59It's run by Charity Director Sid Williams.
03:02There's been about 130 different local businesses,
03:06some trust funds, churches,
03:08all piling and helping us out with funding and people and time
03:12and building materials to get to this point.
03:14It's not just about, you know, getting people at home,
03:17it's much more than that, isn't it?
03:19We really want to see transformation in people's lives.
03:21What Embassy Village is doing is creating that scenario
03:24where, no, you are responsible for your own home,
03:25but in a community and a supportive community where it's compulsory
03:29to learn to shop and cook and budget and get into work.
03:32This is a dress rehearsal for managing a home,
03:34for managing your finances.
03:37Paying a small amount of rent means residents
03:39can get a landlord's reference for when they move on.
03:42That's what I'm excited about,
03:44is seeing people's lives turned around.
03:45Has there been any pushback with any of the neighbours
03:48or anything like that?
03:49The concerns were, is it going to be dangerous criminals?
03:52So when we're able to go, oh, no, that's not who we work with,
03:54most people then were like, oh, that's fine then.
03:57Peel Waters has provided the land to be used as a homeless village
04:01on a 125-year lease.
04:04The idea for the project originally came from managing director
04:08James Whittaker.
04:09All these businesses work free of charge.
04:12I reckon it was probably, in terms of time spent,
04:15over £2 million at least,
04:17that was given by the business community to make this happen.
04:20It's the whole business community of Manchester coming together
04:23and seeing it through.
04:26Some of the local businesses who helped are here today.
04:29We provide town planning advice to normally developers,
04:32investors, landowners,
04:34but we've, on this occasion,
04:35been providing free town planning advice
04:37to assist with the delivery of the scheme.
04:39And it's brilliant to see it here and, you know, people moving in.
04:44We've supplied all the beds as a donation.
04:47This one included?
04:47Yeah, this one included.
04:48Very comfy.
04:49Yeah.
04:50We're a third-generation family business.
04:52We had a store in Salford as well
04:55where we would see homeless people on the streets
04:58and it was, yeah, heartbreaking, really,
05:01for them to see in and what was there.
05:05Of course.
05:07Everything here, from your bed to your kitchen,
05:10which is state-of-the-art,
05:12to a start-up kit with teabags and biscuits,
05:14has been donated by businesses across the region.
05:19Everything is in place for Chris,
05:21who today is moving in.
05:23Welcome to Emcey Village.
05:24And here you are.
05:25I've got the keys for your apartment.
05:27Brilliant.
05:28And he's the first resident to pick up his keys.
05:31Chris, how exciting is it,
05:33getting the keys to your place?
05:35Oh, it's brilliant.
05:36Now I've been given another chance.
05:38Just looking forward to the future.
05:40See what it brings.
05:41And with the help of the guys,
05:43it's looking good.
05:45Yeah.
05:47Sid's charity started helping the homeless back in 2019
05:50by converting a former Coldplay tour bus
05:53into a mobile shelter.
05:55Today, he hopes to help hundreds more rebuild their lives,
05:59supported by local businesses offering jobs.
06:02I think employment's a really important piece
06:04because people are discovering a community
06:07with their colleagues at work and so on.
06:09They've got other communities by the time they leave us.
06:11What are you most proud of, Sam Zanier, right now?
06:13I think the team has worked unbelievably hard to get this done.
06:17Both volunteers and paid members, staff, trustees.
06:20It's pretty humbling.
06:22This is a community coming together.
06:25Businesses, councils and volunteers.
06:27All proving that when people pull in the same direction,
06:31lives can change.
06:36Such a brilliant initiative there.
06:38Thank you, Mina.
06:39Yeah, wonderful idea.
06:40And seeing everybody pull together.
06:42And of course, we wish Chris the best of luck with everything.
06:45All right.
06:46Time now to introduce tonight's guests.
06:48We've got comedian Lucy Beaumont,
06:50Traitors winner Harry Clark,
06:51and musician Holly Humberston.
06:53Welcome on.
06:53Welcome, guys.
06:55Now, Harry, we just saw another Traitors star there in Mina.
06:59Is it fair to say there's a good camaraderie
07:01between all the Traitors stars from the different series?
07:03Yeah, definitely.
07:04I mean, I can feel Lucy getting further and further away
07:07because she doesn't want to be sat next to me, does she?
07:10But no, I say it's just like school, you know.
07:12When you leave school, you have these groups of friends,
07:14them little gangs.
07:14And when we come together for an event or something,
07:16we're all just like best friends.
07:17So it's great.
07:18Yeah.
07:18Yeah, Lucy.
07:19I mean, Harry's probably right there
07:20because you were faithful all the way.
07:22Obviously, Harry, one of the best Traitors we've had, definitely.
07:25But you were murdered face to face, weren't you?
07:27So how do you feel sitting next to Harry?
07:29I don't go to any events with Harry.
07:33No, I don't.
07:33I stay with you.
07:34No, I took it really personally.
07:36It's unbelievable.
07:37But your feet, you must feel awful.
07:40I did at the time, but then it was like, once I won,
07:43it was just reminding myself who I was there for.
07:47I've had a lot of practice with that answer.
07:49Yeah, no redemption here.
07:51Holly, you must be very excited to be sat alongside these two
07:54because you're a massive Traitors fan, aren't you?
07:55I am.
07:56I'm not going to lie, yeah.
07:57I love Traitors, so I'm keeping my cool.
08:01Big fan of you both.
08:02You might do the celebrity one.
08:04I bet you might.
08:05Yeah.
08:05I think I'd be a bit hopeless, to be honest.
08:07Yeah.
08:08I mean, huge respect to the both of you.
08:10I feel like I'm a terrible liar.
08:11I could never be a traitor.
08:13And I feel like I act suspicious, even if I'm...
08:18So, I don't know.
08:19I think I'd be one of the first to go.
08:22That might be a double blow.
08:23Exactly.
08:23But also, dream to watch, from our point of view, as viewers, I would enjoy that.
08:28Well, listen, it's not just celebrity Traitors that Lucy's starred in.
08:32In the past few years, alongside her comedy, she's been on numerous quiz shows,
08:36from The Weakest Link to House of Games.
08:37But the results didn't exactly go to plan.
08:40And that is exactly the inspiration behind her brand-new stand-up tour,
08:44which celebrates her quiz show, Fails.
08:46And before we find out more, let's take a quick look at Lucy on Celebrity Mastermind,
08:50answering questions on her specialist subject, Les Dawson.
08:53Oh, God.
08:54In 1973, Dawson made his Royal Variety Performance debut
08:57and was greeted with great acclaim,
08:59despite being very nervous at having to follow Lynn Seymour
09:02and which ballet dancer on the bill?
09:05Pass.
09:05On Dawson's second appearance as the subject of This Is Your Life in 1992,
09:10he was surprised by the presenter, Michael Aspel,
09:13at the curtain call of what pantomime at the Theatre Royal in Plymouth?
09:17Pass.
09:19Dawson's first novel, published in 1974 and based on his own escapades
09:22on the comedy circuit, is entitled A Card for the What?
09:27Pass.
09:28Oh, Lucy!
09:31I couldn't stop saying pass.
09:33There was one or two I knew, but I'd got in a rhythm.
09:36I couldn't stop.
09:37Do you know what?
09:37It's one of those things.
09:38When you do those shows, you actually can't get yourself out of your head sometimes, can you?
09:43Oh, it got worse.
09:44It got really bad.
09:46But he's like my idol, Les Dawson.
09:49I got in touch with his daughter and everything.
09:52I don't think you're allowed to say,
09:54but they said, well, read his autobiography because we'll ask you questions in that.
09:59And then I thought, oh, I'll read it the night before I do the show because then it'll all be
10:02in my head.
10:03But I fell asleep on page three.
10:05No!
10:06They didn't ask me anything up until page three.
10:09I could have told him where he was born, but I said, I just haven't got to that part of
10:16the book yet.
10:17Lucy, you also, when we were watching that clip, you looked genuinely traumatised.
10:21Yes, you did.
10:21I was traumatised.
10:23But do you know, like, because it's an empty studio,
10:25but I heard laughing coming from behind a wall somewhere else.
10:29It was awful.
10:30Oh, no.
10:31It felt like a dream, though, you know, and I was like,
10:33and then, you know, when you go,
10:35in my head I was thinking,
10:36I don't think anyone watches Mastermind anymore.
10:39And then they said, it's going to be on Christmas Day or Christmas Eve.
10:42Oh, my God.
10:43And it was my granddad that was,
10:45because my granddad was like,
10:46can you stop doing these shows because I live in a cul-de-sac
10:49and I can't get away from the neighbours.
10:51Well, look, unfortunately for you,
10:53Mastermind is absolutely massive, especially on Christmas Eve.
10:56But this has all worked out fine,
10:58because you've taken inspiration from this
11:00and some other quiz shows that you've been on
11:02where things didn't work out as you'd hoped.
11:04What kind of thing?
11:08What hasn't worked out?
11:09House of Games, which shows?
11:12None of them have worked out.
11:14The weakest link, I spent longer travelling than I was in the studio.
11:19I was in the studio 25 minutes.
11:22And it took three and a half hours to get down there.
11:25It's just been a nightmare.
11:27But they keep asking me to do it.
11:28And in my head, I think, this time.
11:32The wheel, £98,000.
11:36You lost someone £98,000?
11:38Yeah.
11:38And then the second tab, £75,000.
11:41Just because I didn't know about foxes.
11:46Harry, on a brighter note, you've been on the weakest link
11:49and did quite well, didn't you?
11:50Yeah, I know.
11:50I actually shocked myself, to be fair.
11:52I thought I was going to be a goner as soon as I went in there.
11:54And I actually did really well.
11:56I got halfway through.
11:57Then I got a question on salad.
11:58And I was just like, hey, does it look like I eat salad?
12:01And it was about a salad dressing.
12:03And I'm not a chef.
12:04I just survive off chicken nuggets and chips, by the way.
12:06So that's why I struggle with that one.
12:07And then just because I got that wrong, obviously, it's a team game.
12:10Everyone just voted me out.
12:11And I was like, oh, cheers.
12:12I guess I deserve that one.
12:13But still, yeah, I did shock myself for how far I got.
12:16You're not bitter about it, though.
12:17No, no, no.
12:19Definitely not.
12:20Still don't even know any salad dressings, either.
12:22Choose not to learn them now.
12:24I was going to say, there's still time.
12:25Now, Lucy, back to touring.
12:27You're going to be gigging all over the UK.
12:29Do you notice a difference when you're gigging in different regions?
12:32No, no.
12:33But, you know, because there used to be, like, a thing about saying,
12:35like, the North-South divide or, like, you know,
12:38like, Northerners are like, well, no, it was lovely the last time.
12:43It was the same.
12:44Everywhere you go, it's like people, like, really look forward to,
12:47like, you know, because people know who you are now.
12:50Because when you start out, you sort of prove yourself.
12:52And now it feels like you're just, like, in a room full of friends.
12:56You know, the best show for me was Guildford last time.
12:59So, yeah, it just, it's the same.
13:01I think everyone, like, now, everyone, like, genuinely wants a laugh.
13:05Like, you need it, don't you?
13:07Yes, exactly, especially these days.
13:09And, you know, you also talk about the previous jobs that you've had,
13:12including working at a pizza counter,
13:14when you thought you'd invented a famous dish.
13:17Yeah.
13:19I worked at the supermarket.
13:21They put me, do you know, it's like where you pick your own toppings,
13:25do you know, and, like, so you put it on a,
13:27you don't want a long-winded version of this, do you?
13:29But you put it on, like, a plinth, you know,
13:31to put the shrink wrap over it.
13:33But because, like, some of the customers bullied me
13:35into putting too many toppings, it used to, like, collapse.
13:39And so I used to fold the pizzas over
13:41so none of the managers knew how much toppings I was putting on it.
13:45And then I finally saved up enough money to go to Italy with my friends.
13:49And everyone was eating calzone.
13:51And I thought, how is it caught on this quick?
13:54LAUGHTER
13:56I honestly thought I'd invented folded pizzas.
14:00So, yeah.
14:01Brilliant.
14:02What do you mean before your time?
14:04I know, it blew my mind.
14:07Brilliant. Excellent.
14:08Well, tickets for Lucy's Tour,
14:10Baddock Quiz shows, Good With Weirdos,
14:12are available right now.
14:13Still to come, Holly's going to be telling us
14:15what it was like to play to 90,000 people at Wembley Stadium.
14:18Amazing.
14:19Plus, it will be exclusively revealing
14:21if Harry was successful on his mission
14:23to get an audience with the Pope
14:24as part of his new documentary.
14:26But first, with Easter just days away,
14:28Kevin DeWall has been to meet a group of people
14:30who've been on a spiritual quest of their own
14:32on a new pilgrim trail in Yorkshire.
14:38To mark Lent, visitors are gathering in the North York Moors
14:42for a trail that culminates at the stunning Revo Abbey.
14:46Going for a long walk in the beautiful countryside
14:49is undoubtedly good for you.
14:51But, you know, some people might just want to get more from it.
14:55That's what pilgrims are looking for today
14:57from the St. Elrits Trail.
15:00It has three routes mapped out,
15:01one for walkers, one for cyclists,
15:04and one for horseback riders,
15:05taken in nine churches along the way.
15:08We're starting at Old Island.
15:10I think it's great to be out in, sort of,
15:13have a reason to be out in nature.
15:15It gives it a purpose.
15:16It's a great thing to have the trail.
15:19It brings together everybody.
15:21The pilgrimage was the idea of George and Malgate
15:24after a walk they took to Revo Abbey in 2009.
15:28The very first time you came through
15:31and Revo Abbey was in front of you,
15:33what was that feeling like?
15:34Didn't know what to expect, really.
15:35It was fantastic.
15:37The grandeur was just more inspiring.
15:39But something kicked off at that point
15:42and it kind of transformed our lives in a way.
15:45On the spot, they decided to move here
15:48and George realised he was on a spiritual journey too.
15:51The pilgrimage had become about me as well
15:53and my own spiritual journey about rediscovering my faith.
15:57And then we started going to church.
15:59Creating the trail is very much about me with God
16:04and giving you an opportunity for other people
16:06to find that experience as well.
16:08They named their trail after St Elrid of Revo,
16:11a 12th century monk who lived at the Abbey.
16:13Mal and local farmer Joyce Garbert
16:15walked miles of public footpaths
16:18to devise the best walking trail.
16:20It stretches for 41 miles.
16:22You've got fabulous views, but it's steep hills.
16:26Horse riding and cycling routes were then added.
16:28John, Andrew and their mates
16:30are following the 36-mile bike pilgrimage.
16:33It's going to take about five hours, I would think, today.
16:36Whether you're spiritual with a capital S
16:38or spiritual with a small S,
16:41it's just a great opportunity to get together
16:43with some like-minded friends
16:45and, you know, cycle what is just a gorgeous trail.
16:48Back on the walking route, the first stop is Scorton.
16:52What made you want to come on the pilgrimage in the first place?
16:55There is something so kind of analogue
16:57about going back to a pilgrimage
16:59and meeting people and connecting in a really meaningful way
17:02without having to jump on your phone.
17:04Bill Tate is guiding the 50-mile horseback pilgrimage today.
17:08This is Amigo, and he's taken me safely
17:12hundreds of miles all over these moors.
17:16In the past, people would travel on horseback or on foot,
17:19and they'd be visiting places like Revo.
17:22Best views are always from the back of a horse.
17:25Across all the trails, there are over 120 pilgrims today,
17:29and George is impressed by the turnout.
17:31Did you ever thought it would be a daylight today?
17:35Not in my wildest dreams, and it just grows.
17:38I mean, it's growing.
17:38This is bigger than last year,
17:41and I'm just worrying about next year now, Kevin.
17:46This annual Lent pilgrimage
17:48has attracted people from far afield.
17:50Bishop Andrew Rumsey has come from Wiltshire to take part.
17:54We're in the season of Lent,
17:55and everybody together is walking towards Easter.
17:59I've made some fascinating connections already today,
18:02and I think sometimes you discover those kinds of depths
18:05while you're walking together.
18:07When you're on the same path, you discover relationship.
18:12But personally for you, then, why are you here?
18:13Originally, I came on this pilgrimage
18:16because I wanted to see Revo Abbey.
18:18Before long, the cyclists have done their 36 miles.
18:22It makes you really appreciate what's important,
18:25and especially when you're doing it with family and friends.
18:29Brilliant.
18:30After our long journey, we all converge on the Abbey itself,
18:34where we're welcomed in true Yorkshire fashion
18:37by the Billsdale Silver Band.
18:42Seeing the Abbey across the valley, it was spectacular.
18:47It's actually been really special.
18:49I wouldn't go home and think about things.
18:50It just captured the essence of what I hope
18:54the St Elrond's Pilgrim Trail is about.
18:59I mean, such a beautiful backdrop.
19:01They're gorgeous.
19:02A lovely part of the world, isn't it?
19:03I need to go and visit that Abbey.
19:04I was straight on the National Trust website
19:06when I heard about that film.
19:07Yes, of course you are.
19:07All over it.
19:08Now, Harry, I'm sure that that film will resonate with you
19:11because you've been on a pilgrimage too,
19:14but on yours, you were trying to meet the Pope.
19:16So take us back on all of this.
19:18How did it come about?
19:19It's the craziest story, actually.
19:21I'll try and keep it short and sweet,
19:23but it was literally from the pilgrimage I went on before that.
19:26So I went on BBC Pilgrimage
19:28where we travelled through the Alps and Austria
19:30and we were actually sat in a pilgrim hostess's little cabin.
19:34There was donkeys walking around
19:35and that cockerel's walking through
19:37and there was this lovely German woman
19:39who couldn't speak a word of English.
19:40Anyway, we'd finished filming.
19:41I got the Google Translate out, trusty Google Translate.
19:44She basically said to us,
19:45look, in wintertime, this is covered in snow.
19:48So all of the food, drink, everything needs to be gone from the farm.
19:50So she said, I've got you a present.
19:52She walks in with these homebrewed two cases of beer
19:54and I was like, lovely.
19:56And I'm sat there next to Tom,
19:57which is a producer at CTVC,
20:00which I made this new show with.
20:02And we're there, we tried these homebrewed beers
20:03and they went down swell, as you can imagine.
20:05We're just chatting to each other.
20:06And again, I've got loads of ideas firing out my ears,
20:09my nose, my mouth.
20:10I mean, I don't know why I didn't start with my mouth,
20:11but they're just firing out at the top, as you can tell.
20:14And I'm sat there and I'm speaking to him
20:15and he's like, what do you want to do next?
20:16And I'm like, mate, I could do this, I could do that.
20:18And he's like, yeah, but as a Catholic,
20:19what do you want to do next?
20:20And at that point in my life, the pilgrimage,
20:23that one through Austria and Switzerland,
20:24had deepened my faith massively.
20:26But I thought I was still a modern Catholic.
20:28I didn't believe the historical values of the church,
20:31didn't necessarily believe in the Bible.
20:32I thought the church was within.
20:33I don't need to go every Sunday to prove I'm a Catholic.
20:36So I said, you know what?
20:37I'll just go to Rome and ask the Pope all these questions.
20:39And he's gone, yeah, all right, mate.
20:40Yeah, yeah.
20:41And I've gone, now I would,
20:42if someone wanted to take the shot at it.
20:44And then that was the start of the idea.
20:46Yeah.
20:47Well, yes, you can probably tell from his excitement.
20:49In Harry's new documentary,
20:50he's relentless in his pursuit
20:52to get an audience with the Pope
20:53to discuss what it means to be a Catholic today.
20:56So let's have a little look at what we can expect.
20:59Hello.
21:00I have a crazy question, actually.
21:01Do you reckon it's possible for me to meet the Pope at all?
21:06I've not been to confession for so long,
21:08between six to ten years.
21:10If you've done anything which is what we call a mortal sin,
21:13you need sacramental confession.
21:16I don't want to read it.
21:17I don't want to read it.
21:18Who's it from?
21:19I just had a message from someone from the Vatican.
21:22I'm literally, like, shaking.
21:25I mean, the stress of waiting for the Vatican to text you back.
21:30I can't even imagine.
21:31But as we saw there, you know, lots of obstacles in your way,
21:34lots of dead ends that you reached.
21:35But you did have someone with you for moral support,
21:38and that was your mum.
21:39Why was it important for you to have her?
21:41I mean, firstly, shout-out to the most important woman in my life,
21:44my mum.
21:44It's her birthday today.
21:46Yeah.
21:46It's her happy birthday, Mum.
21:47We love you.
21:48Happy birthday.
21:48She was just, like, the rock.
21:51She's the rock for everyone who knows her,
21:53and especially in my faith journey.
21:55You know, I only had faith because my mum made me go to church as a kid,
21:59and I didn't want to disappoint her.
22:00So growing up, it was always I'm a Catholic because of my mum.
22:03And then when I went through a hard time with my own mental health issues,
22:06being in the army when I was around 20,
22:08it was funny because I remember I literally went to my mum,
22:11and I sat there, I put my hands up, and I said,
22:13look, Mum, I've used up all my resources.
22:14I feel like a burden on you, the family.
22:17She just simply went to me,
22:18Harry, what's the one thing you know how to do?
22:19Just start praying again.
22:20And then that moment there was basically what saved my life.
22:23So, yeah, I couldn't thank her enough,
22:25and I couldn't have asked for a better travel partner either.
22:28Yeah, I mean, it's an amazing thing, isn't it?
22:30It's such a turning point in a place.
22:31Oh, sorry to butt in.
22:32No, go on.
22:32She's got five other kids,
22:33so I wanted to be the favourite for at least a bit.
22:35I mean, we can go with the first one,
22:38but secondly, also, I do want to be favourite,
22:40and hopefully now I am for at least a year.
22:42That as well.
22:43It's going to be hard to top this joke.
22:44I know, exactly.
22:45Well, listen, Harry, you've got to put us out of our misery.
22:48Did you manage to get the meeting, yes or no?
22:50I don't know, drumroll, please.
22:52I mean, I should probably give a disclaimer.
22:53I'm not lying when I say this, but yes.
22:56Hey!
22:57I met Pope Leo the 14th, and it was insane.
23:00We had a private meeting in his office as well,
23:02so it wasn't just like he walked past me
23:04and I got his eyesight and was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
23:07No, like, we had an actual meeting in his office.
23:09How long for?
23:09In his office for about half an hour.
23:11Half an hour?
23:12Yeah, he invited me to stay.
23:13So imagine we meet first, and we're there,
23:15and I'm like, oh, my gosh, I'm meeting the Pope, you know?
23:18Like, this is insane.
23:18And then we get speaking, and he gives me a gift.
23:21I give him a gift, which is the best gift in the world.
23:23What did you give him?
23:24I gave him a Chelsea home kit shirt with Pope Leo the 14th on the back.
23:27I just thought, if I could give him anything that's me, what is me?
23:31And that's just me to a T.
23:33You know, there's two most important things in my life,
23:36and my faith, my family, but also Chelsea.
23:39Yeah.
23:39I mean, so it just worked perfectly.
23:41And then, yeah, he said to me at the end of that little meeting,
23:43do you have five minutes?
23:44And I'm looking around going, do I have five minutes?
23:47I mean, I've got all day if you want.
23:48Yeah, let me check my diary.
23:49Do you know what I mean?
23:49See if I've got five minutes.
23:51And then he was like, come and join me in my office
23:53and bring whoever you want.
23:54But he was so chilled the whole time, and he was like,
23:57yeah, bring your mum, bring Johnny, the director.
23:59I'm like, this is crazy.
24:00And it just blew my mind how humble
24:02and how much of an amazing person he was.
24:04And did he give you a blessing in all of that?
24:06Yeah, of course.
24:06Yeah, he gave us a blessing.
24:07Funny enough, I know you probably won't believe this.
24:09I don't even think anyone's going to believe it,
24:11because even my mum said, what people say, this is AI.
24:14I'm like, I don't care anyway, because I got to meet him.
24:16And I actually asked if I could pray for him.
24:18So when we were in the office, because I just thought,
24:20that's your job, you pray for everyone all the time.
24:22But how many times a day does someone pray for you
24:24or say it out loud?
24:25He let me pray for him.
24:26And then I did that in front of my mum and Johnny.
24:28And we're there, and we got to speak about everything.
24:30And I think the first initial thing that blew me off my chair
24:34was that when we sat down,
24:35he started speaking to me about mental health.
24:38And I was like, wow, because that was something
24:40I had been through.
24:42And you also expect the Pope to have that faith pattern
24:44that hits you over the head and says,
24:46God is the answer.
24:47God is everything.
24:48You need God in your life.
24:48And he said, look, Harry, we have a problem,
24:50and I want to try to fix it.
24:51And I think people need to realise that whether you have
24:53God in your life or not, life is worth living,
24:56and that's the most important thing.
24:57And that was just really the moment where I was like,
24:59wow, this is the most humble,
25:02nicest human being I've ever sat across.
25:04Well, I mean, honestly, it's so profound hearing you speak like that.
25:08And you can all watch Harry Clarke Goes to Rome
25:10on Thursday night at 10.40 on BBC One and iPlayer.
25:13Now, it's been a big few years for Holly here.
25:16Since winning the Rising Star Award at the Brits in 2022,
25:19she's gone on to tour with the likes of Taylor Swift,
25:22Sam Fender, and Olivia Rodrigo, to name but three.
25:25Her songs have racked up over half a billion streams online, too,
25:29and now she's getting ready to play some big gigs of her own
25:32over the summer.
25:33Holly, this is such an exciting time.
25:36So you've been making music since you were very little,
25:38but I know that it was actually your local radio station
25:41and their introducing show, BBC Radio Nottingham,
25:45that gave you your first break.
25:46What happened?
25:47I mean, I have a lot to owe to Dean Jackson,
25:51I feel like is the icon of the East Midlands.
25:54But, yeah, I started making music when I was really young,
25:57just kind of at home.
25:58I grew up in quite a creative household.
26:02And, yeah, I would just kind of make demos on my dad's laptop,
26:06and I uploaded, like, kind of a crazy rubbish song
26:11to BBC Introducing,
26:14which is, like, an amazing platform for kind of,
26:18for people who want to be discovered.
26:20And, yeah, they were just, like, really, really lovely
26:24and really supportive
26:24and had me in to do, like, a live session on the BBC,
26:29which was amazing.
26:30And it's kind of just kind of gone from there.
26:33Yeah.
26:33Well, it's definitely gone,
26:35because those songs have certainly improved.
26:37And a massive fan of yours is none other than Taylor Swift.
26:40She actually chose you to go on her Eras tour with her,
26:43didn't she?
26:43Yeah, she did.
26:44I mean, I peaked in August 24th.
26:48Big time for me, yeah.
26:50Yeah, it was amazing.
26:52Like, obviously, just so cool to be championed
26:55by somebody like Taylor Swift,
26:56who I've grown up idolising.
26:59And, yeah, so cool.
27:00Dream come true.
27:01Well, fans like Taylor are in for a treat
27:03as Holly is about to release new music.
27:05So let's take a listen to the title track
27:07from her latest album, Cruel World.
27:09It's a cruel world
27:12Without you, baby
27:18It's a cruel world
27:20Sugar, don't you be running away for long, please
27:26Let's catch a movie and get caught in the rain
27:30Wherever you are is my favorite place
27:35It's a cruel world
27:38Without you, baby
27:42Beautiful
27:43You just can't get enough of a gal with a sword.
27:45It's my kind of thing.
27:47We're cool.
27:47So, Holly, lots of love coming in for you.
27:49For example, Emily and Eva say
27:52we're currently on our 20th show of Holly's tour.
27:54We are so excited for the new album.
27:57She means so much to us.
27:59I love those girls.
27:59Tell us a little bit about what they've got coming up
28:02because you say that this album's a reflection for you
28:05of how far you've come.
28:06Yeah.
28:06I mean, I feel like I've learned a lot about myself
28:09through just the writing process
28:12and the creation process
28:13and I feel like not a lot of artists
28:15are afforded just time and space
28:18to figure out who they are as people,
28:21you know, like let alone artists.
28:23And I've had like the most fun kind of on tour
28:25getting to play shows with my band
28:27who have become like my family.
28:29And yeah, I just, I wanted to make an album
28:32that felt, yeah, like a band.
28:35And I have lots to kind of celebrate
28:39and so much love in my life.
28:40And I'm really, really proud of this next chapter
28:43and excited to get to share it
28:45and feel incredibly lucky to get to do this as a job.
28:49So, yeah.
28:50Well, you should be.
28:51I mean, you've got some massive gigs
28:53on the horizon as well.
28:54You're going to be in Coachella in California coming up
28:56and obviously Hyde Park as well in the summer.
28:58So how are you looking forward to those?
29:00I'm so excited.
29:01Yeah.
29:02I mean, yeah, I've been at home
29:05for the past year and a half,
29:06like here in London,
29:07just writing and making this music.
29:10And my favourite thing in the world
29:11is being on stage
29:12and getting to connect with people in real time.
29:16And yeah, have those like shared experiences
29:18that make you feel human.
29:20And I think that's kind of what music is all about.
29:22And yeah, that's why I love to do it,
29:24just getting to connect with people.
29:26And I'm so excited to get to travel.
29:29And yeah, it's great.
29:31I can't complain.
29:32I'm so excited.
29:34Yeah.
29:34Oh, well, Holly's album Cruel World
29:37is out on the 10th of April.
29:39Well, we've had lots of lovely messages,
29:41including this for Lucy from Glenn,
29:43who says,
29:43I thought Lucy was brilliant
29:44in her recent play Road in Manchester.
29:47Would love to see her doing more acting.
29:49That's all we've got time for tonight.
29:51Thank you to our wonderful guests.
29:52Yes, I'll be here tomorrow with Angelica.
29:54We're joined by Matt Tebbitt and Joel Dummett.
29:56Plus, Matt's here with Watchdog.
29:57Have a lovely evening.
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