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Evil Lives Here- My Child the Killer S01E01
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00:07This was like his third or fourth birthday, and he was very happy here.
00:19If I was always stressed out, he'd come hug me and tell me he loves me and things like that.
00:25It's just sad how his life turned out, how at that moment you didn't think anything was
00:31going to turn out the way it did, and how you'd give anything in the world to get that
00:36back, and you're never going to get it back.
00:55DEPUTIES SAY THIS PASCO COUNTY MAN IS IN JAIL FOR PURPOSELY RUNNING OVER A 75-YEAR-OLD VETERAN TO SHERIFF
01:01CALLING
01:01HIM PURE EVIL.
01:08I used to go to the roadside where he was murdered all the time and sit there and cry to
01:13him
01:13and say, I'm so sorry.
01:21Many, many nights I've sat on that roadside wishing it was me.
01:46Everybody just blamed me for raising him to be a murderer.
01:51Everybody said he was a monster.
01:55He was never a monster.
01:59He's not a monster.
02:03I can just love him because I wasn't able to fix him.
02:14I can't do it.
02:18I can't do it.
02:32I can't do it.
02:36It's not a monster.
02:51when i'm alone i think about this i get very very sad i think about the could have would have
02:57should have but i don't know what i could have done different i don't know how i could have
03:04stopped him if i knew i would have stopped him found a way to stop him i get very sad
03:10i get sad that i
03:11don't get to see his future i don't get to see his wedding his kids now i get to hear
03:17about his
03:18whatever milestones you go through in prison i'm very ashamed because that's not ever what i would
03:29have imagined him to do very ashamed i feel like i still don't know a lot about about what happened
03:44that's kind of something i'm trying to learn
04:04there's nothing that i would find out that my son did that would ever stop me from loving him and
04:10that
04:10would ever stop me from being there for him because that's my promise as a mom that i'm
04:15going to be there for my kids no matter what
04:229-1-1 what is the address emergency
04:26i'm down by old dixie behind sea pine i just killed someone
04:30how did that happen i just hit him
04:34hit him with what my car was he walking down the road you accidentally hit him
04:39no i intentionally hit him you intentionally hit him
04:56he sounded strangely calm
05:01i don't know why he sounds so calm
05:03i didn't know he'd sound like that
05:29that's me justin
05:33i was still only 19 then so yeah i was very young
05:39what do you remember about that day
05:42how blessed how happy i was i felt like my world was complete
05:50seeing him for the first time oh my god he's perfect
05:55that is a deep love that i've never felt before
05:59it's just a lifelong connection
06:02i felt like i was doing something right for a change
06:04by bringing him into the world
06:24i knew like things were off with him i'd hate to say around the time he started school
06:29he started what we called him night terrors
06:35he would wander the house at night
06:38sometimes you could hear him walking around
06:42one night we were in bed sound asleep i'd wake up with him right in my face we didn't know
06:49he was in there he'd just be sitting there staring at us which is terrifying
06:54and i'd try to talk to him and he wouldn't say anything
06:59i had to wake my husband up because i was scared you know i didn't know what he was
07:03thinking or what what he was doing
07:06that's like you see that in horror videos
07:09it was scary very scary
07:12but then after a minute he like just would snap out of it
07:15and like i'm okay yeah i'm awake and he'd talk to me and then go back to bed
07:22but it was so creepy it was so crazy to me
07:34justin's freakouts would be very stressful especially when you have three kids all together
07:42he'd get very stressed out and very angst and very angry all the time
07:48because he couldn't just communicate what he wanted to say and things
07:52we would play games with him all the time
07:55but if things weren't going his way or if he wasn't winning
07:58he would just get angry
08:00he'd just flip the board and stomp off and scream
08:02and i'd go and talk to him and he'd just argue and scream at me
08:07he'd just have complete meltdowns
08:11i remember one specific time i had to come pick him up from school
08:14because he got so frustrated that he bit somebody on the arm
08:20so it was it was very hard
08:23very stressful
08:43it was real early in the morning and i was just like ripping him apart
08:48what were you thinking what what were your plans like how long did you think you were going to get
08:52away
08:52with it and when i said that he was like well i was going to get away with it because
08:57my my plan was i was going to kill all of you guys
09:00he was going to slit all our throats because he didn't want us running after him
09:06my heart just dropped
09:11my heart dropped and i said would you just not love us do you not care about us and he
09:15goes no that's why i wanted to do it i wanted to kill you guys so that you wouldn't hurt
09:22if i just killed you all then no one would have to feel anything anymore
09:28i felt scared i felt anger i felt hurt
09:31he felt hurt so then i felt even more hurt because he was hurt
09:37and i told him that it would have caused so much pain for so many other people
09:43and i needed you to understand that i need you to see it like that
09:48he says yeah i know i see that and i understand that now but i didn't care at the time
09:57a big part of me just wanted to put it back in my head
10:01i didn't want to see it that way i didn't want no one to see it that way
10:07that's what i would tell myself he was never going to do that he said it but he didn't mean
10:11it
10:11it was just it's justin he would never do that
10:27almost 24 hours after a driver hit and killed a pedestrian deputies are now calling the case a homicide
10:34the suspect his name is justin pinnell 21 year old male and he absolutely admits to our deputies and our
10:40detectives
10:41that he had the intention to kill somebody this is one of those things that when you talk to society
10:46how evil things are this man is absolutely evil it's almost for him pleasurable
11:03after justin did what he did our house was on the news
11:09so every day it was kind of scary there were people saying that they're going to drive by our
11:15house and send bullets through our windows we just wanted to get away and start over start different
11:25so we kind of left florida up and left florida
11:28back in florida it kind of felt like i had a light shining down on me and everybody knew
11:44the tv is his there's a dresser over there yeah that little lamp right there is his
11:53i don't know why i hang on to it it's just it's so many memories there's memories everywhere
11:59i just keep things like that
12:00i have justin's baby book
12:12um his ultrasound pictures his little fingers
12:19a little head face this bracelet that he wore at the hospital
12:28um what i looked like then
12:34pictures of him more pictures like his first holidays his halloween
12:39his christmas
12:42growing up it was just us against the world no matter what he was my person that was his person
12:52and there's you know things i wrote to him
12:56up here it says justin always remember no matter what mommy will always be there for you
13:02she may not like some of the things you're gonna do but i'll always stand behind you 100
13:10he had a trunk full of clothes and stuff like that and i'll go through his clothes and hug them
13:15and
13:16be sad because just like i lost him i don't have him here no more and i won't get rid
13:21of his stuff
13:22probably because he'll never even see it again or even use it again but that's just all i have left
13:26of him it still smells like him it still feels like him sometimes and i won't get rid of his
13:32stuff ever
13:46so justin was like 15 years old when we lost my nephew his cousin he was like another one of
13:52my kids
13:53he got hit by a car i think i was telling my daughter and she started to cry and justin
14:01started to laugh
14:03and i asked him what was he laughing about he's like it's not that it happened to him but i'm
14:08just
14:08picturing it happening meaning in my head almost like a cartoon and that's what makes me laugh
14:14were you surprised that he started to laugh
14:19i honestly by that time i wasn't because it seems to be like his reaction towards everything that hurt
14:27people honestly he would just always find a way to laugh about it and think it was funny
14:35there was a time we watched somebody get hit by a car i think justin might have been like 10
14:43or 11
14:45and unfortunately like she flew in the air and he laughed about it and
14:53he we i would just be like what is going on was it clear the woman was dead absolutely absolutely
15:00i
15:01mean for the longest time that's all i kept seeing over and over and over again that just hit me
15:07so sorry
15:07you guys just give me a minute that just hit me that that he saw that accident and that's what
15:14he did
15:22i think you don't think all the little moments that you go through in life could possibly be though
15:29lead up to maybe the things that he did or went through himself and i don't know
15:48i was sitting watching tv probably around the time justin was coming home from school
15:53i think it was like a show i was watching about kids killing animals and things like that and and
16:00i was like i have never seen or heard are you doing anything like that justin so you're good you
16:04know
16:04you're on the you know and it was like a light-hearted you know thing and then he told me
16:09the story about the duck
16:20so my dad was watching him and he there's like a little lake down by where my dad was living
16:26and
16:26he would walk down there and he said that he was sitting there on the log and the ducks come
16:31up and
16:31they were just loud and and noisy and it was just too much like he felt like it was so
16:38much and he
16:39just picked it up and slammed it into a log he just kept doing it he said he just kept
16:46kept doing it and
16:47then he stopped and was like what was i doing why did i do that like i don't understand like
16:55he just said
16:56like something switched in his brain yeah it created a red flag in the back of my brain
17:02that he might be a psychopath like something something is not right with him something's not right in his head
17:32i need justin to call me every day because i need to feel that comfort i need to hear his
17:38voice
17:38i need to know he's okay every day i told him to call around a certain time of day so
17:44that what my
17:45husband would think he wasn't calling every day because it would cause fights
17:54my husband he doesn't think it needs to be done every day he doesn't like that i spend any money
17:59to talk to him it's very hard it's very hard to try and get my husband to understand why
18:06i can't just shut that door on him why i can't just okay this is what you did here you
18:13go and just
18:14close that chapter it's very hard to explain that to my husband when he doesn't know how a maternal bond
18:22is or the feeling of you know of being a mom but we have many many talks as much as
18:32many we had
18:33arguments and we've come a long long ways and he you know he's more understanding of it because i've
18:40been very vocal with him about it because i don't want to lose my husband and i don't want to
18:47lose my
18:47son i feel like the the last five years has just been me having to explain why i feel the
18:55way i feel
18:56all the time with everybody but i'm never going to stop loving my kids i'm never going to stop
19:07not trying to be there for him the best that i can that's my baby boy he will always be
19:12my baby boy
19:28i would make it a point to talk to him almost every other day check in with him how you
19:32feel
19:32like but tell me how you're really feeling deep down and things like that he would tell me
19:39i haven't been able to sleep in days because i keep hearing these voices and i'm like voices like
19:43how what do you mean well they're just telling me to do things they're telling me to hurt others
19:49and recently they've been more telling me to hurt you it's scaring me and i don't know what to think
19:56and i don't know how to feel about it but i feel like i could do it i feel like
20:00i could follow through
20:01with it i told him i was scared and to be honest i'm here justin i'm gonna be open and
20:07honest with
20:07you now i'm scared i'm scared of you he was scared and you could see it i felt sad i
20:18felt sad for him
20:21because he didn't know what he was feeling
20:28my husband was terrified terrified my husband didn't trust them my husband didn't trust anything
20:37he was scared he was scared justin was going to come in and kill the both of us
20:40every night when we'd go to bed he'd lock that door
20:55it's scary because you got to go in and face these doctors that have never seen you a day in
21:01their life
21:02and your son saying these things
21:06i was scared for my son because he was scared i've never seen him so scared
21:14so they put him on medication to help him sleep because he wasn't sleeping
21:20but the doctors weren't concerned the doctors didn't perceive him as a threat
21:25no they did not perceive him as a threat they weren't concerned they didn't they told me that my
21:30daughters would be safe that we'd be safe that it it was nothing to be afraid of
21:46this is justin in his jrotc uniform um he made cadet of the month that year
21:56they had to wear a uniform every tuesday or thursday it seems like he he lived
22:03for that kind of structure yeah he was hoping to go into the military and he was meeting with
22:08recruiters my husband said i think that you really want to do it because it's basically giving you a
22:15license to kill and justin told him well when you put it that way yeah maybe that is a thought
22:23somewhere in my head where it has come across as a thought
22:31and justin said i don't see why there would be anything wrong with it i mean if they're giving
22:36me a license basically and a gun to do it i would do no problem you know if that's what
22:43they needed me
23:04to do
23:04he started talking to me about his thoughts one day
23:10i was sitting at home and he'd come in and i just asked him how his day was and he
23:14would tell me
23:14how he had a thought of one day he would sneak into some somebody's house and and kill the whole
23:21family
23:24my reaction was smacking him across the side of the head and asking him first of all why did you
23:29say
23:29that second of all why would you think it like who thinks that like i don't even understand what even
23:34get your mind to that thought or what's going on in your head that you have that thought
23:40we fight about it and then he would leave
23:47i used to always worry about him when he was gone
23:50every night he'd either go for a bike ride go work out or go jog he was really into working
23:56out
23:58and there'd be times where he wouldn't respond to my phone calls and text messages
24:04so then i'd worry that maybe he's doing it maybe he's actually like following through with his
24:11thoughts or something i was worried that i might find him on the news
24:19my husband and i both tried like hell to get help we reached out to the police stations we reached
24:24out
24:24to counseling lines we and the the police station even said i'm so sorry but there's really nothing
24:33we can do until he actually commits a crime and i remember breaking down and flipping out on him i'm
24:39like so it's gonna take that it's gonna take that what if the crime's gonna be so bad that you
24:44can't
24:44come back from it and then it was
24:56reports show peddle called 911 not to call for help but because he had hit an electric pole and
25:03couldn't go anywhere detectives say that's when he admitted to dispatch that he purposely ran over a
25:08man and could see the terror in the pedestrian's eyes
25:14the news on there's been some kind of accident and said that they found a body on the side of
25:20the road
25:22i think my daughter was the one that found a picture of my son's car and sent it to me
25:28and we drove to the road and before we could even get very far on the road at the entrance
25:33there was you
25:33know police everywhere um that were stopping people
25:40then i ran up to a cop and i was like hey i think that's my son's car i think
25:45you know something's
25:46going on with my son i need to know what's going on and they asked me who my son was
25:50and i told them
25:51you know like well just wait right here a detective came up and told me they weren't exactly clear of
25:58the details yet or what was going on but they believe my son hit and killed somebody
26:03and they believe he hit and killed him on purpose
26:09i don't know how to describe it i couldn't make sense of my thoughts i couldn't make sense of
26:14anything just one horrible dream it's a nightmare and none of this is true and i didn't want to wake
26:20up from it
26:35hello you have a call at no expense to you from josa an inmate at lando lake detention center to
26:45accept
26:45this call press five to refuse this call hang out now hi bobby hey mom how you doing good are
26:55you
26:55i'm doing good i just wanted to let you know i'm here with everybody now and we are being filmed
27:00now and
27:01and you're okay with that correct yeah she told me about how you guys wanted to interview her and then
27:09you
27:09talked about showing her some of the videos and stuff so is there anything that you're worried about her
27:14seeing i get worried about how she might react to it because i end up hurting a lot more people
27:21than
27:21just the mr pratt family and i do feel guilty about that at times and i don't know how she
27:27might perceive
27:28that there's no justification sorry that i was in control of myself at the time sorry that you had to
27:38go out and spare this
27:43i mean i know you think better of me but
28:02i love you justin i love you too mom i miss you i think your mom
28:21i'm on scene there's no one 10 12 with the vehicle
28:30marine two i got him 10 12 10 12.
28:37hey bro go ahead sir
28:41yeah i got you
28:46i still haven't lost faith in my son
28:49but he did do it he did not me but he did kill someone he did hurt someone
28:57and i still have not lost that faith in him and i can't explain it
29:06i just deep down inside feel that that wasn't him that's not him that's not the justin i know that's
29:11not him
29:34i want to know his exact thoughts i want to know his exact thoughts leading up to it what was
29:38he
29:38thinking sitting in the car what what came through his brain when he saw mr proud on the side of
29:43the
29:43road i want to know those thoughts
29:48of course i'm scared i'm going to find something out that i don't know or something about him that i
29:53don't
30:07were you in route to somewhere specific today no sir i won't say i'm hearing voices it's just
30:16it just kept selling i should kill someone i should kill someone maybe it might make me feel better
30:21maybe it might make me happier and so recently i've been driving around these roads i know that people
30:29occasionally walk on them and looking for people i could hit while avoiding witnesses i don't know why i
30:36want to do this i just i also just wanted to calm down i ended up going down air pico
30:42that's why i saw
30:43the old guy with the cane and then i made a u-turn he was going into the grass he
30:48was trying to avoid
30:49me because he saw me going for him but i just went for him
30:58all i've got for you is what the that's pretty painful to hear yeah yeah yep
31:06he made a u-turn to hit a man an old man with a cane yeah
31:14and sped up and aimed right for him that's what he said he did
31:23what the is going through your head while doing it and then you it's just
31:29you could have just swerved the other way and not have done it you know
31:35something in your mind had that pool so tight so strong that you just
31:41followed through with it i don't i don't understand that i don't i could never put myself
31:45in that frame of mind because i could never do that so i got no words
32:01the guy calling said he hit him on purpose you hear that okay yeah all right well let's get
32:07a sheet all right we'll mark it off
32:14did you hear him say anything no i only saw his reaction what was that you know that moment
32:23what were your thoughts like when that were ready that moment do you remember i just smiled and
32:31laughed let's just say i answered one question i was wanting to answer which was how i felt like
32:37to kill someone and how does it feel i mean when i did it i i was laughing i mean
32:47i enjoyed it but
33:10i don't know i don't i don't i really can't think right now my my mind is just freaking
33:24out of my mind is just trying to shut down to process it
33:24are you more angry or worse bad
33:30equal amounts of both honestly like i don't like
33:41i don't know this is where i feel like my my my brain is just trying to shut down to
33:46process it
33:49and i'm trying to be you know open and honest but
33:52i don't have it right now because i still have to process it
33:59because the mom in me still is feeling the hurt he's feeling like he's not sounding like he hurts
34:05he's not you know probably showing like he hurts but i feel like he's hurting
34:10it's just the mama bearing me that's always going to want to fight for him no matter what
34:15because i can fix him i can fix him and i can make him better somehow some way i can
34:19fix him and make
34:20it better
34:23can you go no
34:26i can just love him because i wasn't able to fix him
34:37is there anything when when we go talk to your mom that you want us to like relay for you
34:41i know you
34:41haven't had a chance to talk with her i would recommend keeping details of the case private
34:46simply because she might get a bit emotional and that might make your investigation get hard
34:50it's not a matter of like i want to tell her myself it's just a matter of
34:58these things are a bit sensitive to her and well yeah i mean it might make things a bit complicated
35:11i'll be ready
35:15you had mentioned that you had thoughts of doing this you wanted to do this is this the only way
35:22you imagined doing it or had you imagined doing it in other methods like some other way
35:29i mean i had i'm really fond with knives it's i was thinking about slicing people up and cutting
35:36them open dissecting them essentially yeah but you've never done that before no
35:56that's um that's hard to hear yeah
36:02yeah especially since it was kind of a brought up in a conversation between my husband and i
36:05yesterday because i asked him what made that thing click in his brain that he was
36:11that made him super scared or just made him start locking the doors because i never really fully
36:16understood it it was because justin was starting to collect knives and he was sharpening them every
36:22day and he had no reason to but now hearing this is just insane mind blowing and i feel so
36:32bad my husband and all this
37:20what the
37:24what the hell it literally looks like a murder kit like
37:34there's so much more to him that i didn't see
37:38there's so much more to him that i didn't know
37:49how does that happen like
37:55that's my boy that was my life
38:22my soul is crushed right now
38:52you talked to justin last night
38:54what was your conversation like what'd you say to him
38:56what the you pretty much said and did everything a psychopath would do like you you even mentioned
39:04it without saying yourself you were a psychopath justin so so i don't understand
39:15he said he doesn't remember saying those things he doesn't know why he would do that or be like
39:20that he doesn't know why he did any of the stuff that he did do you believe him
39:28i want to i want to so bad
39:42doing this show was like ripping a band-aid off a wound
39:46and just like giving it some oxygen and i do believe it is helping and it is going to help
39:51further on down the road
39:53i needed it and i needed it and i do feel different i do feel like i can breathe differently
39:58like there's not so much of a weight
40:03knowing that i somehow raised a murderer is is petrifying
40:13i know it's not the hardest but i know it's one of the hardest things a parent would ever have
40:18to do
40:18or go through or feel and think and and i'm still trying to process my thoughts and feelings right now
40:34well no parent ever looks at their little kid and thinks that he's going to be a murderer someday period
40:40being the parent of a murderer is it's not easy it can be lonely as well
40:46because people just don't understand
40:48you think you killed somebody
40:50no i know i did
40:51up until that point
40:54it never felt wrong to love either one of my children
40:59i use my hands to suffocate my kids
41:01who did you use the belt on
41:04babies
41:05i'll tell you right now if there is a god and they do forgive him
41:07send me to hell
41:09because i don't want to be there with him
41:11that was paying out the window and i was telling him you're going to fry
41:14you're going to fry for this
41:16and i pray to god my son never sees this
41:18but i was going to shoot him in the back of the head
41:21i swear to god and it's so hard to make anyone believe but i was looking at a devil
41:27oh
41:27you
41:28you
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