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00:00Hello, I'm Angela Scanlon and welcome to Unfinished Business, the show that over-analyses the dog-eat-dog
00:05world of The Apprentice. Coming up, I'll be speaking to the latest candidates to leave the
00:10process, Kieran and Rothner. Lord Sugar shares his thoughts on the task, and look what the
00:16cat's dragged in. I'm joined by presenter Owain Wynne-Evans and Apprentice interviewer and business
00:22expert Claudine Collins. This is The Apprentice Unfinished Business.
00:30Welcome, Claudine and Owain. Oh, thanks for having us. Thank you for being here.
00:36The teams this week had to create a new pet lifestyle brand, so they had to design a product,
00:42they had to create a social media video and then pitch to retailers. Claudine,
00:46what is the secret to a task like this? I think first and foremost, you have to devise a product
00:53that is slightly different to what's out there, something that people that own that pet would
00:59actually want. And you really have to believe in it. You have to be passionate about it.
01:06Social media videos got to be a bit funny. The brand has to be on point with the actual product.
01:12So there's a lot of things to get right. But I think first and foremost,
01:16the product has to be something that is just a little bit outside of the box from the norm.
01:21This was a classic case of cats versus dogs. Where do your alliances lie?
01:27Dog. Dog. I am obsessed with dogs. I don't have one because I'm working and it wouldn't be fair.
01:35But honestly, a dog cannot go past me in the street without me saying,
01:39can I just give it a little pet? Okay. What about you, Owain?
01:43I am a cat person traditionally, but I do feel like now I'm wanting to dip a toe in both
01:50camps
01:50because I really want a dog. But my cat Franny is 14. She's an old girl. I just love the
01:56complete
01:57lack of unconditional love. I love the way that she looks me up and down and wishes that I wasn't
02:03there.
02:03But, you know, I don't know if she's, you know, I come from a very working class background.
02:08I can't figure out if the cat is classist or homophobic at this stage. But there's something
02:14about me she doesn't like. It was a bit of a dog fight, wasn't it, on Team Alpha to bag
02:18the project
02:18manager role. Let's remind ourselves of that. Guys, I would also like to put myself on this PM as a
02:24dog
02:25owner. I know what dogs love. I've had German Shepherds growing up and now I also have a Shih Tzu,
02:30so I've had big dogs, small dogs. I can speak dog. I can speak dog as well.
02:35People call me the dog whisperer. I've got a cockapoo. I had a lab, rescued a Shih Tzu.
02:41I've also had a cat. Cats and dogs, horses, all of it. Can you speak dog? I can't speak dog.
02:49No, not me. But it does feel like we've kind of seen the last couple of weeks,
02:53both Karishma and Pasha have kind of fought to take the reins. Two alphas
02:59on Team Alpha. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that it was really interesting, you know,
03:04with that exchange that they both not only wanted to take that role, but actually, I do think they
03:11both seriously love dogs and they kind of, you know, are therefore qualified to be the person
03:17who's kind of leading a challenge like that. Yeah. I mean, I think the boys just didn't know what
03:23had hit them. They're both like looking from one to the other going, OK, yeah, I'm not definitely not
03:28putting myself forward. It's got to be one of these boss women. But yeah, they're really kind
03:34of like fighting for it. I know. I absolutely love it. Yeah, so do I. I love it. So do
03:39I.
03:39The team created a talking dog bed. An innovative idea, but lacking in scientific backing,
03:46it would appear. Were you guys sold on it? So I actually was sold on it. I thought,
03:52oh my God, that's such a good idea. Now, as I stated, I don't actually have a dog. However,
03:58what I do think is they could have adapted it. It could be a soothing sound for the dog when
04:04an ambulance goes past or a big noise goes past. So the noise activation.
04:08Yes, it could have been adapted to that. So I think that that was a good idea.
04:13I thought, you know, what I was expecting this product to be was something that you could
04:19send a voice message to, as opposed to it being the same, which, as we saw on the show,
04:25gets a little bit repetitive after a while. But it's like, hi, baby, I'll be home soon.
04:30Loads of love on heavy rotation.
04:32Yeah. And then it's like, this is starting to wear thin. You said you'd be home soon,
04:37nine hours ago. So true.
04:40You've lost my trust.
04:41Literally, when you close the front door upon leaving. Hi, baby, I'm just going to pop out.
04:47It's so true, isn't it? But actually, again, they're like makings of something brilliant
04:52and the conviction with which they sold it was also quite admirable, I would say.
04:58Yes. Pasha's attempt to make his spelling mistake look like a luxury manoeuvre was a lesson for the ages.
05:07It was superb. I mean, even when a French guy said that it was the wrong spelling,
05:14she was like, no, it wasn't.
05:15It was.
05:17If they would have gone with the confidence of being like, right, OK, for example,
05:22the word evoke is spelt not the way you see it on the back of a Range Rover.
05:27Yeah.
05:28That's a different spelling.
05:29Yeah.
05:29You know, and very similar with a chic, chic thing with this.
05:32Poetic license.
05:33Yes.
05:33Poetic license.
05:34We've done it this way because we want it to sound that way, but we don't want it to look
05:37that way.
05:37Also trademarking.
05:39Trademarking.
05:39Much easier, you would imagine.
05:41Exactly.
05:41I think it's important that the records state, it is actually the correct spelling in Portuguese.
05:46Yes.
05:47Oh, OK.
05:47Yeah.
05:48Not in English or French, obviously.
05:50From one team who knew a lot about pets to another who knew, well, absolutely nothing.
05:56Nothing.
05:56Kieran took the lead due to the deal that he had made with Lord Sugar.
06:00Yeah.
06:00And it was either win the task or walk.
06:03Do we think that either Rothnott or Dan would have been better suited as PM on this particular task?
06:10Oh, absolutely.
06:10I think that, I think Dan did a great job in some elements of this task in particular.
06:19I thought he was brilliant.
06:20Whereas I definitely felt like, you know, Kieran was plowing through with an idea and not really
06:25taking on board anything that Rothnott was saying.
06:29And I really felt for her actually when I was watching it.
06:32And it's interesting because Rothnott flagged early on.
06:35Yeah.
06:35She's like, Kieran, sometimes you lack attention to detail.
06:38So I want to be with you to keep an eye on that.
06:41And she tried.
06:42But did she need to be a bit more forceful in that?
06:45I mean, the honest truth is, I don't think he'd have taken any notice, however forceful she was.
06:51And ultimately, he's project manager.
06:52So he gets the ultimate say.
06:54And her instincts were right.
06:55I mean, she knew that cats don't in fact like cheese.
06:58They like mice and mice like cheese.
07:00Yes.
07:00So she's like, there's something here, but it's not quite right.
07:03Absolutely.
07:05That's so true.
07:05And I don't know many cats that love bananas and apples either, to be fair.
07:10The banana nearly sent me.
07:11Me too.
07:12I mean, my cat has never interacted with a banana.
07:15No.
07:16Can confirm.
07:17Owen, do you reckon as a cat dad, that Franny would be into this tree, banana aside?
07:21Banana aside, I think she would take one look at it and think, what the hell is that?
07:26And then, much like she does when I enter the room.
07:28And then, I think that she would maybe try the rotating mouse disc thing.
07:37Yeah, that was cute.
07:38If they'd have made it something that, you know, that would fit into a setting like this,
07:43you know, stylish, something a little bit mid-century, something that maybe looked
07:46like an indoor plant, not like an actual tree, you know, the size of an actual tree anyway,
07:53maybe would have worked.
07:54But no, Franny would not be interested in that.
07:56She wouldn't be interested.
07:56I don't think.
07:57Let's talk about the one-man branding team, Dan.
08:00Because actually, left to his own devices, he was clear, he was enjoying himself,
08:05he was assertive.
08:06I think Baroness Brady was kind of, you know, impressed.
08:10Yeah, he did really well.
08:11Listen, he didn't have to confer with anyone, he just did what he thought.
08:17It could have gone hideously wrong, but actually, it was really good.
08:22I thought it was a good brand, good colouring.
08:24Yeah, and everyone seemed to like it.
08:26And I think the designer who was working with him, oh my gosh, there was like smoke coming
08:31out of her fingers.
08:32He was like, right, do that in green, now resize that, now scale that.
08:35Yeah.
08:35He knew what he wanted and he was doing it well.
08:37I thought, what we're after, isn't it?
08:39OK, we've heard what you guys think.
08:40Shall we have a little listen to what Lord Sugar has to say?
08:44He sent me the weekly voice note.
08:47Of course.
08:47Hi, Angela.
08:48Hello.
08:48Now, the market research spoke for itself.
08:52Common sense was lacking when it came to the cat tree.
08:55You don't need to be a cat lover to know that if your cat can't physically reach the top
09:01of the tree, then it's time to cut it down.
09:04That's a good point.
09:05Anyway, next stop's the final five.
09:07Let's hope they don't make a dog's dinner of the interviews.
09:13There you go.
09:14There you go.
09:15He's not wrong, is he?
09:16He's not wrong.
09:17Common sense went a bit out the window, Claudine, didn't it?
09:20How do you stay focused?
09:21Because I feel like it is almost with, you know, the final five in sight that there's,
09:27you know, it can kind of get into your head.
09:29I think how you have to do it is you literally have to go back to basics and you have
09:34to kind
09:35of write, what exactly am I looking to do?
09:38What am I looking to achieve?
09:39How am I going to get there?
09:41Does this tick all the boxes of what I need it to do?
09:45And if you'd have gone back to that, it would have been,
09:48actually, how does the cat get in there?
09:50Is it too big?
09:52Would we be better making it smaller?
09:55Do we think it's more attainable then and more will sell?
09:58So you just almost have to take a step back out of yourself and kind of start from the beginning
10:04and think if there was no, like not so much pressure on me, what would I do?
10:10And that's kind of how you have to do it.
10:13Well, it is time to meet the candidate who made a big deal with the big boss.
10:16They say every dog has its day, but this was not Ciaran's, was it?
10:20Let's remind ourselves of the moment that he walked.
10:23And the message there is, you didn't push him enough, you gave in too early.
10:29Let's go walkies.
10:32We had a deal.
10:33We've got a deal.
10:36Thank you for the opportunity.
10:38Thank you for the opportunity.
10:39Well done, Ciaran.
10:40All the best, guys.
10:45Ciaran, everybody.
10:46Oh, thank you.
10:48Brilliant.
10:49Welcome.
10:50Let's go walkies.
10:51Let's go walkies.
10:52Let's go talkies.
10:53Iconic.
10:54It was quite iconic.
10:54I even forgot I said that as well, which is hilarious.
10:57It was quite good.
10:57That was good.
10:58Let's talk about the deal that you made with Lorde Sugar.
11:01Had you considered it?
11:03Like, was it planned when you were about to go back into the boardroom?
11:05Were you like, this is what I'm going to throw at him last minute? Or was it totally spur of
11:09the moment?
11:09Um, in the CAF, I was like, I've probably got to figure something out here to stay.
11:17I thought I was going.
11:18So I kind of just thought, why not?
11:21Let's give it some.
11:22And he just come out.
11:23Are you OK?
11:24It's when he went through, everyone was like, do you want to make this deal?
11:27And I was like, oh, no.
11:28If someone said yes, they might have like, they got the opportunity and I was going.
11:31Yeah.
11:32But it works.
11:33It works.
11:33Sort of.
11:34Sort of.
11:36Sort of.
11:37The cat tree.
11:39The beautiful cat tree.
11:41The beautiful cat tree.
11:42Let's talk about it.
11:43It was pretty large and pretty heavy.
11:46In fact, we actually couldn't get it here today because I don't have a pickup truck.
11:50But Rothna, at a few points, did attempt to interject and, you know, try to tone it down a bit.
11:59But you stuck very much to your mantra of go big or go home.
12:02Was that a mistake?
12:04I should have listened to Rothna, but I'm like, when I get an idea, I'm just like, let's do it.
12:08Let's just go crazy with it.
12:11You know, house plants are normally like five, six foot, right?
12:15So it depends on the house plant, I suppose.
12:16Yeah.
12:17I mean, maybe it's not for flats.
12:18Maybe it is for just nice big homes and houses and big flats.
12:22Big flats.
12:23Tall.
12:23Tall flats.
12:24Yeah.
12:25High ceilings.
12:26Very high ceilings.
12:26Okay.
12:27In hindsight, do you reckon there's anything you would have done differently except for maybe listen to Rothna?
12:32I think in that task, the only thing I would have done different and what it's frowned upon throughout
12:36the show is that they said, don't interject on other people's negotiations.
12:40If I would have jumped in on Dan, we would have won.
12:43We would have got the extra 1500 they were willing to give.
12:47Other people do interject in the negotiations.
12:49I know, but it's frowned upon, so if it went wrong, it would have made me look bad in a
12:52lot.
12:52I mean, I had nothing to lose.
12:53I should have just done it, but yeah.
12:56When you didn't win, you stuck to your bargain.
12:58You were like, okay, I'm in, I'm out, even.
13:01And quite an iconic exit.
13:03Claudine Owain, did you expect that Kieran might put up a bit more of a fight?
13:08I did, actually.
13:09I thought that you would.
13:10I understand.
13:11I mean, you never got the finger, did you?
13:13You never got that you were fired.
13:14But you're saying straight off, this is Dan.
13:17Dan lost this task force.
13:19It was the negotiation from Dan, yeah.
13:21Yeah.
13:21So there may have been an opportunity to, you know.
13:24I think there could have been an opportunity, but I'm a man of my word.
13:27And I sort of live by that in my everyday life.
13:29So, you know.
13:30I think, look, good on you.
13:33You're right.
13:33You made a deal and you stuck by that deal.
13:36And, you know, it may well have been, we'll never know, may well have been the same result.
13:42If you had fought for it because you were PM like the week before the interviews,
13:47but you won't know.
13:49I'll never know.
13:49No, you'll never know.
13:50No.
13:51Fun fact.
13:52You are the candidate who was brought back to the boardroom the most times.
13:56Yes.
13:57Four, that is, in total.
13:58Why do you think that was?
14:00Biggest threat, I reckon.
14:01Biggest threat.
14:02Yeah.
14:03You know, I just think I'm quite loud and out there,
14:06and I'm quite an easy person to blame if it all goes wrong,
14:09because I put my ideas out where some people stay quiet and don't get noticed as much.
14:14And how do you think then that you survived that many?
14:17I think Lord Sugar respects the fact that you go for it and you do get involved.
14:22Because if you don't get involved, what's the point of being there?
14:25And he liked you, didn't he?
14:26He said he liked your spirit.
14:28Yeah, he liked you.
14:29He could see definitely something in you.
14:31You know, that's why, that's how he keeps people in the process time after time,
14:35because he can see something in you.
14:36Could have stayed.
14:37If I would have fought my spot, I could have stayed.
14:39You seemed confident from the get-go.
14:42Were there any moments during the process where you kind of felt a little less self-assured?
14:47Bottom three is a tough place to be, and I was there quite a lot.
14:49So I'd say every bottom three, there's, you know, nerves go through,
14:53like, shaking under the table.
14:55And it's when he does that, he talks to you and then, like, drops and talks to someone else.
14:59You're like, oh, my God, I thought I was going.
15:01Yeah.
15:01That was pretty stressful.
15:03Yeah, I bet.
15:04Because you could see behind all of the, you know, bravado,
15:08that there were moments where I thought, oh, God.
15:10Yeah, yeah.
15:11I feel like he's going to cry.
15:13Yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:14Almost a few times after the bottom three's.
15:16Yeah.
15:17I think it was when Dan said, when Dan said,
15:20how's the cat going to get into that thing?
15:22You just went...
15:23Oh, yeah.
15:24Oh, God, yeah.
15:26I don't think about that.
15:27Now you say it.
15:28Yeah.
15:28Let me get a ladder, like, that's the additional extra.
15:31They have to pay for that.
15:32Yeah, absolutely.
15:33Yeah, that's what you said.
15:33There you go.
15:34I said, like, get, like, a bolt on.
15:36Yeah, yeah, there you go.
15:37You buy the tree, and then, because my cat's there.
15:38Different fruits, you know.
15:40Exactly.
15:40Different fruits.
15:41If your cat isn't into, you know, apples and bananas.
15:44Mm-hmm.
15:44Berries.
15:45We've got a full brand to build, right?
15:48Love that.
15:48Honestly, he's not messing around.
15:50What were your highlights, Kieran?
15:52Apart from being recognised as a spirited young chap by the boss.
15:56My two favourite moments were both with Lawrence, actually.
15:59So it was the carbonara selling on the market in Greenwich.
16:04That was hilarious.
16:05And then it's got to be the lads' day out in Isle of Wight.
16:07Go, babe.
16:08Yeah, nice little glass of wine.
16:10Yeah.
16:11Feed the goats.
16:12Clean the goats up.
16:13It's hilarious.
16:13Job done.
16:14That was great fun.
16:15Well, it was great having you and great watching you.
16:17Thank you so much, Kieran, everybody.
16:22It is time to meet the candidate who faced her fear of cats,
16:26but unfortunately dropped the furball on the task.
16:29Here's the moment she left the boardroom for good.
16:31Um, Rothner, you sold nothing and at least Dan did sell 2,000 pieces.
16:37So you've been really impressive in this process,
16:41but I have to tell you that, regretfully, your journey is over now.
16:48You're fired.
16:49Thank you very much for the opportunity.
16:51Good luck, Rothner.
16:52Good luck.
16:59It's Rothner!
17:01Yay!
17:02Yay!
17:02Hello!
17:04Welcome.
17:05Thank you for having me.
17:06Oh, got it, got it.
17:08Before you were fired, Lord Sugar said to you,
17:10you've been very, very impressive.
17:11Was that, you know, bam to the wound?
17:15I mean, it would have been nice if you hired me.
17:18You know what?
17:19I'm actually really, really thankful he said that,
17:21because, you know, throughout that whole process,
17:22you obviously want to make an impression,
17:24and Stephen had a compliment and then been fired.
17:26I think he really struggled, though, didn't he?
17:29I think he really struggled between you and Dan,
17:31and really, he doesn't often say that to Candace.
17:34So the fact that he said it to you, I would take that as,
17:37I don't think he's ever said it to me, to be honest.
17:38So I would take that as, like,
17:41something that I would hold to my heart, really.
17:43Oh, thank you.
17:44No, it really was special.
17:45Obviously, you know, when you're told you're fired,
17:48it's just like a blur.
17:49And anything that happened before and after,
17:51you're just in a state of shock.
17:53And so hearing that back and him say that,
17:55it actually sunk in a little bit.
17:57So, yeah, it was a really nice little moment.
17:59Let's talk, Rothner, about the fateful task.
18:02Had Kieran not automatically been made project manager,
18:05would you have put yourself forward for this one?
18:07Yes, I would have put myself forward because I think,
18:09you know, when you've got a little bit of fear,
18:10and at this stage of the process,
18:12it's all about wanting to maximise what's in your control.
18:16And, like, obviously, we saw when I was building the catchy,
18:18like, Kieran kept saying, trust me,
18:20learnt my lesson from there.
18:21But I think if I was PM, I definitely would have, like,
18:24100% said what I wanted there and then,
18:26and, like, not taking no for an answer.
18:28And it's hard to do so because when you're not PM,
18:30you don't want to come across as that person that's just constantly, like,
18:33stopping you from progressing.
18:34Yeah, you said that, that you wish you were kind of more of a hindrance.
18:37Was there a sense that maybe because pets, cats weren't your thing,
18:42that you weren't able to follow the instincts that actually were leading you
18:46towards very sensible questions?
18:48Yeah, because I was with Dan and, you know,
18:51Kieran who have pets.
18:52They've had pets all their life.
18:53And, like, I haven't.
18:55I've got a fear of it.
18:56So for me, the least I know, the better it is for me.
18:58But then I think I wish I trusted my gut because some of the things
19:01is pretty self-explanatory, right?
19:03And I think because Kieran kept saying, trust me, trust me,
19:06I thought, you know what?
19:07Maybe let me just trust him.
19:08And I guess that that area and when we were in that moment,
19:12I honestly wish I just trusted my gut.
19:15I really do.
19:15At least you knew that cats don't love cheese.
19:19And it was the mice that love cheese.
19:22Yeah, it was that moment.
19:23I was like, oh, we're doomed.
19:24We're flying blind here, lads.
19:26So true.
19:28Honestly, I had a huge reality check.
19:30When he looked at me, he said cheese.
19:31I was like, oh, dear.
19:32Sorry.
19:33Honestly, I think I would have done a better job.
19:35Sorry, Kieran.
19:36No, I think that's fair enough.
19:37Yeah.
19:38You hadn't been back in the boardroom since week one.
19:41Was it easier this time or tougher because you were so close
19:46to the final five?
19:48In some ways, it was a lot harder because, you know,
19:50there was a lot of pressure riding on it.
19:51And, you know, final five is what all we ever spoke about
19:54in the house, you know, like that's where everyone wants to be.
19:57Week one, obviously, being brought back, it's so early on
20:00and you're kind of fighting to be noticed, you know,
20:03to be able to show Lord Sugar what you're made of.
20:05And at this point, you've kind of shown Lord Sugar
20:07what you're made of.
20:07Now it's the business bit, which is the bit you really care about.
20:10So, yeah, it was really hard being in that boardroom.
20:13And I guess, you know, I knew it was do or die in that moment.
20:17And I tried.
20:18I tried.
20:19But, yeah, it led to me being excited.
20:21Week one, you coming back into the restaurant,
20:25reminding everyone, you're like,
20:26we're fighting for our lives in there.
20:29I was like, it was such an iconic moment for me.
20:33And everyone was just like, oh, dear.
20:35I just have just gotten serious.
20:36It was beautiful.
20:38Because it was dramatic.
20:39You know, that boardroom in Hong Kong, my God,
20:42I have never sweated more in my life.
20:44I didn't even sweat that much in the toss that I did in there.
20:46And I came back and I was like, I don't know about you guys,
20:49but I survived something big there.
20:51And you do come back.
20:51And I think I had the added advantage in that moment to be over everybody else who wasn't in the
20:56boardroom.
20:57You know, it's really serious.
20:58You don't realize how serious the process is until you're sat in front of Lord Sugar fighting for your life.
21:03You are fighting for your life, guys, honestly.
21:05You were PM for The Flower Task.
21:08Again, like a really beautiful show, I think, of your capability, your ability to lead people.
21:14Was it natural for you, that leadership position?
21:17You know, what's really interesting is I think it came because I really enjoyed the task.
21:22And I love working with people.
21:23Like in my day job, you know, I work in mental health and well-being.
21:26And I think hearing people's opinions is really important.
21:28Obviously, I ended up going for what I wanted in the end.
21:30But it's important to listen to people.
21:32And I didn't quite realize perhaps how good I am at leadership.
21:37Like having such a good win, it was reassuring for me more than anything that I'm capable.
21:41And I can lead a team to victory.
21:43I mean, I just needed to believe in myself.
21:45And I think that you have a really lovely way about you as well,
21:49because you're not like overly aggressive or overly cocky.
21:52You just do it in a very lovely way of making your views known with respect to other people.
22:00And, you know, I really thought that you came across really well in that.
22:04And I think everyone said you were a great project manager in that as well.
22:07Yeah, that was such a wholesome moment for me.
22:09But thank you. That really means a lot.
22:11Tim said that you were a calming influence amongst the chaos.
22:15Was there ever a moment that we may not have seen where you thought you're going to lose your cool?
22:20Pretty much every week.
22:21I think I'm just really great at hiding it.
22:23Honestly, I think where I, what's really important to me is even if you're panicking as a leader,
22:29it's so important that you don't show that panic.
22:32Swan, Swan.
22:33Honestly, internally, like I am surprised you guys didn't see more of my panic around the cats.
22:38Like inside, I thought like my heart honestly was beating so fast, but I just thought if I show it,
22:44I'll believe that I'm actually panicking and then everyone else will start panicking.
22:47And it's so important that you don't spread that panic on and you contain it from within.
22:51So yeah, there were plenty of moments where I felt it, but I'm just glad you guys didn't get to
22:54see it.
22:56Well, it was felt certainly your, the loss of you in the house when you didn't return,
23:03Karishma particularly, very, very emotional.
23:07Was that difficult watching?
23:09I cried when I watched it.
23:10It was so hard to watch because honestly, she's like a sister to me.
23:14Like it's really rare in a competitive environment to really, really feel that, you know, sisterhood.
23:21And like, I found a piece of home within her and like what she said, the feeling was completely mutual.
23:26Yeah, with Karishma, I think she's just an absolute boss.
23:29I've seen this other soft little mellow side to her.
23:32I think that's so important.
23:34Like it just shows how human she is.
23:35And I think we both related on that.
23:37Like we can show everybody a cool, calm and collected, but then we'd get it back into our rooms
23:41and then we'd have a little cry and be like, this was stressful.
23:42That was stressful.
23:43And it's so nice to share that together.
23:45So absolutely love her.
23:47That was brilliant.
23:48You were an absolute joy to watch.
23:50So thank you so, so much.
23:51It is time for Boardroom Bangers.
23:54Brace yourselves.
23:55The part of the show where our guests provide the soundtrack to the task.
23:59Claudine, what have you gone for?
24:00So I have gone for something that bearing in mind, I was looking at the cat tree thinking,
24:08what on earth this is what I've gone for?
24:21Oh, I've trashed that one in karaoke a couple of times, let me tell you.
24:25It's a banger, isn't it?
24:27Okay, Owen, what have you gone for?
24:29Well, for me, the thing that stood out during this episode was the fine grasp on the French
24:35language or not.
24:37So I've gone for this.
24:53Pasha should have let the music do the talking.
24:54I think absolutely so, yeah.
24:57Let's move on our final five.
25:01Now set to face a grilling, it is time for the interviews and I've got a little exclusive.
25:06Looking back on my plan, I think I should, I know I need to allocate a lot more money.
25:11And how much more?
25:12I reckon that's going to cost around 150,000.
25:15So why did you book 50,000?
25:16Because you've got no idea really what you're doing, have you?
25:19Correct.
25:20You're not going to produce a drink for 50,000.
25:23You haven't even got a recipe.
25:25You haven't even got a manufacturer.
25:26Yes, I agree.
25:27Look, you're good at your day job.
25:29Do that.
25:29Try and build the boozy bar up.
25:31Forget the drink.
25:32You're never going to do it.
25:33Okay.
25:34Okay.
25:37Oh, God.
25:39Elevator G going down.
25:41That couldn't go any worse.
25:44That was brutal.
25:46I'm shaking and sweating.
25:47That broke my heart.
25:48A little, a little cute preash.
25:50A little preash.
25:52That is savage.
25:54Yeah.
25:54She's brutal.
25:55Honestly.
25:56Yes.
25:57Now, Claudine, up until this point, I think candidates, they can make excuses, can't they,
26:01that certain tasks aren't suited to their skill set or their experience.
26:05But now there's absolutely nowhere to hide.
26:08How tough is the interview process?
26:09But please say that's as bad as it gets.
26:12It is a tough, tough process.
26:15We get 45 minutes to an hour with each of them.
26:18And there are four of us.
26:19And you know, the interviewers will find things that even though they'll think
26:23we've covered everything, we know our business,
26:26we will always find things that they haven't thought of.
26:29It's also interesting that obviously when we interview,
26:33that is the first time we've seen them.
26:35Of course.
26:36So we haven't seen any of this.
26:38We get to know like how many they've won or lost, but we don't know how they've performed
26:43in the process.
26:44So we are literally seeing them and only meeting them or knowing anything about them
26:49the minute that they walk in that door.
26:51So you're not swayed by your ideas of their personalities?
26:54We have CV, like the business plan, and we go through that.
26:59But we wouldn't know what they were like personality-wise at all.
27:02And that's so interesting because as a viewer, you know, at that stage, you've built up this kind of idea
27:08of the person as a whole in your head.
27:10But you just go in there and you have to base it purely on what they have for you.
27:16Absolutely.
27:17Wow.
27:17That is a wrap, gang.
27:18Thank you so much to my brilliant guests, Claudine Owyne-Rothner and of course, Kieran.
27:23Yay!
27:25Don't forget to tune in next time for more Unfinished Business on BBC Two, iPlayer or BBC Sounds,
27:31straight after The Apprentice, when we'll be discussing which candidates just missed out on a place in the final.
27:37I'm Angela Scanlon. Goodbye.
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