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The Apprentice UK Unfinished Business Season 1 Episode 10 (2026)
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00:00Hello, I'm Angela Scanlon and welcome to Unfinished Business, the show that over-analyses the dog-eat-dog
00:05world of The Apprentice. Coming up I'll be speaking to the latest candidates to leave the process,
00:11Ciaran and Rothner. Lord Sugar shares his thoughts on the task and look what the cat's dragged in.
00:17I'm joined by presenter Owain Wynne-Evans and Apprentice interviewer and business expert
00:22Claudine Collins. This is The Apprentice Unfinished Business. Welcome Claudine and Owain.
00:33Thank you. Oh, thanks for having us. Thank you for being here. The teams this week had to create a
00:39new
00:39pet lifestyle brand so they had to design a product, they had to create a social media video
00:44and then pitch to retailers. Claudine, what is the secret to a task like this? I think first and
00:49foremost you have to devise a product that is slightly different to what's out there,
00:57something that people that own that pet would actually want and you really have to believe in
01:04it, you have to be passionate about it. Social media videos got to be a bit funny, the brand has
01:09to be on
01:10point with the actual product so there's a lot of things to get right but I think first and foremost
01:16the product has to be something that is just a little bit outside of the box from the norm.
01:22This was a classic case of cats versus dogs. Where do your alliances lie? Dog. Dog. I am obsessed with
01:32dogs.
01:32I don't have one because I'm working and it wouldn't be fair but honestly a dog cannot go past me
01:38in the
01:38street without me saying can I just give it a little pet. Okay, what about you Owain?
01:43I am a cat person traditionally but I do feel like now I'm wanting to sort of dip a toe
01:50in both
01:50camps because I really want a dog but my cat Franny is 14, she's an old girl, I just love
01:56the complete
01:57lack of unconditional love, I love the way that she looks me up and down and wishes that I wasn't
02:03there
02:03but I don't know if she's you know I'm very working class, I come from a very working class background,
02:08I can't figure out if the cat is classist or homophobic at this stage but there's something
02:14about me she doesn't like. It was a bit of a dog fight wasn't it on Team Alpha to bag
02:18the project
02:18manager role, let's remind ourselves of that. Guys I would also like to put myself over this PM as a
02:24dog
02:25owner, I know what dogs love. I've had German Shepherds growing up and now I also have a Shih Tzu
02:30so I've had big
02:30dogs, small dogs, I can speak dog. I can speak dog as well but people call me the dog whisperer.
02:38I've got a cockapoo, I had a lab, rescued a Shih Tzu, I've also had a cat, cats and dogs,
02:43horses, all of it.
02:47Can you speak dog? I can't speak dog. No, not me. But it does feel like we've kind of seen
02:52the last couple
02:53of weeks both Karishma and Pasha have kind of fought to take the reins, two alphas on Team Alpha.
03:01Yeah. Yeah and I think that it was really interesting you know with that exchange that
03:06they both not only wanted to take that role but actually I do think they both seriously
03:13love dogs and they kind of you know are therefore qualified to be the person who's kind of leading
03:18in a challenge like that. Yeah. I mean I think the boys just didn't know what had hit them.
03:23They're both like looking from one to the other going okay yeah I'm not definitely not putting
03:29myself forward it's got to be one of these boss women but yeah they're really kind of like fighting
03:35for it. I know. I absolutely love it. Yeah so do I. I love it. So do I. The team
03:40created
03:40a talking dog bed. An innovative idea but lacking in scientific backing it would appear. Were you
03:48guys sold on it? So I actually was sold on it. I thought oh my god that's such a good
03:53idea. Now
03:54as I stated I don't actually have a dog however what I do think is they could have adapted it.
04:01It could be a soothing sound for the dog when an ambulance goes past or a big noise goes past.
04:06So the noise activation. Yes it could have been adapted to that. So I think that that was a good
04:12idea. I thought you know what I was expecting this product to be was something that you could
04:19send a voice message to as opposed to it being the same which as we saw on the show gets
04:25a little
04:26bit repetitive after a while but it's like hi baby I'll be home soon loads of love on heavy rotation.
04:32Yeah yeah yeah. And then it's like this is starting to wear thin. You said you'd be home soon
04:37nine hours ago. So true. You've lost my trust. Literally when you close the front door upon leaving.
04:44Hi baby I'm just gonna pop out. It's so true isn't it. But actually again they're like makings of
04:51something brilliant and the conviction with which they sold it was also quite admirable I would say.
04:58Yes. Pasha's attempt to make his spelling mistake look like a luxury maneuver was was a lesson for
05:06the ages. It was superb. I mean even when a French guy said that it was the wrong spelling she
05:14was
05:14like no it wasn't. Yeah it was. If they would have gone with the confidence of being like right okay
05:21for example the word evoke is spelt not the way you see it on the back of a range rover.
05:28That's a different spelling.
05:29Yeah. You know and very similar with a chic chic thing with this. Poetic license. Poetic license. We've done it
05:34this way
05:34because we want it to sound that way but we don't want it to look that way. Also trademarking.
05:39Trademarking. Much easier you would imagine. And I think it's important that the records state it is actually the correct
05:44spelling in Portuguese. Yes. Okay. Yeah not in English or French obviously. From one team who knew a lot about
05:52pets to another who knew well absolutely nothing. Nothing. Ciaran took the lead due to the deal that
05:58he had made with Lord Sugar. Yeah. And it was either win the task or walk. Do we think that
06:05either Rothna or
06:06Dan would have been better suited as PM on this particular task? Oh absolutely. I think that I think
06:12Dan did a great job in some elements of this task in particular. I thought he was brilliant whereas I
06:21definitely felt like you know Ciaran was plowing through with an idea and not really taking on board
06:26anything that Rothna was saying and I really felt for her actually when I was watching it. And it's
06:32interesting because Rothna flagged early on. Yeah. She's like Ciaran sometimes you lack attention to
06:38details so I want to be with you to keep an eye on that. Yeah. And she tried but did
06:43she need to be a
06:44bit more forceful in that? She did. I mean the honest truth is I don't think he'd have taken any
06:48notice
06:49however forceful she was and ultimately he's project manager so he gets the ultimate say. And her instincts
06:55were right. I mean she knew that cats don't in fact like cheese they like mice and mice like cheese.
07:00Yes. So she's like there's something here but it's not quite right. Absolutely. And I don't know many
07:07cats that love bananas and apples either to be fair. The banana nearly sent me. Me too. I mean my
07:13cat has
07:13never interacted with a banana. No. Can confirm. Owain do you reckon as a cat dad that Franny would be
07:20into this tree banana aside? Banana aside I think she would take one look at it and think
07:24what the hell is that? And then much like she does when I enter the room and then I think
07:32that she
07:32would maybe try the rotating mouse disc thing. Yeah. That was cute. If they'd have made it
07:40something that you know that would fit into a setting like this you know stylish something a
07:44little bit mid-century something that maybe looked like an indoor plant not like an actual tree you
07:51know the size of an actual tree anyway. Maybe it would have worked but no Franny would not be
07:55interested in that. She wouldn't be interested. I don't think. Let's talk about the one-man branding
07:59team Dan because actually left to his own devices he was clear he was enjoying himself he was
08:05assertive I think Baroness Brady was kind of you know impressed. Yeah he did really well listen he
08:12didn't have to um confer with anyone he just did what he thought it could have gone hideously wrong in
08:19the but actually it was it was really good I thought it was a good brand good coloring yeah
08:24and everyone seemed to like it. And I think the the designer who was working with him oh my gosh
08:29there was like smoke coming out of her fingers he was like right do that in green now resize that
08:34no scale that. Yeah. He knew what he wanted and he was doing it well. Yeah. What we're after isn't
08:38it?
08:39Okay we've heard what you guys think shall we have a little listen to what Lord Sugar
08:43has to say he sent me the weekly voice note. Hi Angela. Hello. Now the market research spoke for
08:51itself. Common sense was lacking when it came to the cat tree. You don't need to be a cat lover
08:58to know
08:58that if your cat can't physically reach the top of the tree then it's time to cut it down. That's
09:04a good
09:04point. Anyway next stops the final five. Let's hope they don't make a dog's dinner of the interviews.
09:13There you go. There you go. He's not wrong is he? He's not wrong. Common sense went a bit out
09:18the
09:18window Claudine didn't it? How do you stay focused because I feel like it is almost with you know the
09:25final five in sight that there's you know it can kind of get into your head. I think how you
09:30have to
09:31do it is you literally have to go back to basics and you have to kind of write what exactly
09:37am I
09:38looking to do? What am I looking to achieve? How am I going to get there? Does this tick all
09:42the boxes
09:43of what I need it to do? And if you'd have gone back to that it would have been um
09:48actually how
09:49does the cat get in there? Is it too big? Would it would we be better making it smaller? Do
09:55we think
09:56it's more attainable then and more will sell? So you just almost have to take a step back out of
10:01yourself
10:02and kind of start from the beginning and think if there was no like not so much pressure on me
10:08what would I do? And that's that's kind of how you have to do it. Well it is time to
10:14meet the candidate
10:14who made a big deal with the big boss. They say every dog has its day but this was not
10:19Kieran's was it?
10:20Let's remind ourselves of the moment that he walked. And the message there is you didn't push him enough
10:27you gave in too early. Let's go walkies. We had a deal. We've got a deal. Thank you for the
10:37opportunity. Thank you for the opportunity. Well done Kieran. All the best guys.
10:45Kieran everybody. Oh thank you. Brilliant. Welcome. Let's go walkies. Let's go walkies.
10:52Let's go talkies. Iconic. It was quite iconic. I even forgot I said that as well which is hilarious.
10:57It was quite good. That was good. Let's talk about the deal that you made with Lord Sugar.
11:01Had you considered it like was it planned when you're about to go back into the boardroom were you like
11:06this is what I'm going to throw at him last minute or was it totally spur of the moment?
11:09Um in the CAF I was like I've probably got to figure something out here to to stay.
11:17I thought I was going so I kind of just thought why not let's give it some and he just
11:22come out.
11:23Are you okay? It's when he went through everyone was like do you want to make this deal and I
11:27was
11:27like oh no. If someone said yes they might have like they got the opportunity and I was going.
11:31Yeah. But it works. It works. Sort of. Sort of.
11:37Um the cat tree. The beautiful cat tree. The beautiful cat tree. Let's talk about it. It was
11:44pretty large and pretty heavy. In fact we actually couldn't get it here today because
11:48I don't have a pickup truck. But Rothner at a few points did attempt to interject and you know
11:57try to tone it down a bit but you stuck very much to your mantra of go big or go
12:02home. Was that
12:03a mistake? I should have listened to Rothner but I'm like when I get an idea I'm just like
12:08let's do it. Let's like just go crazy with it. Um you know house plants are normally like five six
12:14foot right? Well depends on the house plant I suppose. Yeah I mean maybe it's not for flats. Maybe it
12:19is for
12:19just nice big homes and houses and big flats. Tall flats. Yeah high ceilings. Very high ceilings.
12:27In hindsight do you reckon there's anything you would have done differently except for maybe listen
12:32to Rothner? I think in that task the only thing I would have done different and and what it's frowned
12:36upon throughout the show is that they said don't interject on other people's negotiations. If I would
12:41have jumped in on Dan we would have won. We would have got the extra 1500 they were willing to
12:46give.
12:47Other people do interject in the negotiations. I know but it's frowned upon so if it went wrong it
12:51would have made me look bad in a lot. I mean I had nothing to lose I should have done
12:54it but yeah.
12:56When you didn't win you stuck to your bargain you were like okay I'm in I'm out even and quite
13:02an iconic
13:02exit. Claudine Owain did you expect that Kieran might put up a bit more of a fight?
13:07I did actually. I thought that you would. I understand. I mean you never got the finger did
13:13you? You never got the you're fired. But you're saying straight off it this is Dan. Dan lost this
13:19task force. It was the negotiation from Dan yeah. Yeah. So there may have been an opportunity to
13:23you know. I think that there could have been an opportunity but I'm a man of my word and I
13:28sort of
13:28live by that in my everyday life so you know. I think look good good on you you're right you
13:33made
13:34a deal and you stuck by that deal and you know it may well have been we'll never know may
13:41well
13:41have been the same result if you had fought for it because you were a pm like the week before
13:46the
13:46interviews but you won't know. I'll never know. No you'll never know. No. Fun fact you are the
13:53candidate who was brought back to the boardroom the most times. Yes. Four that is in total. Why do you
13:59think that was? Biggest threat I reckon. Biggest threat. You know I just think I'm I'm quite loud
14:06and out there and I'm quite an easy person to blame if it all goes wrong because I'm I put
14:10my
14:10my ideas out where some people stay quiet and don't get noticed as much. And how do you think then
14:15that
14:15you survived that many? I think Lord Sugar respects the fact that you go for it and you you do
14:21get
14:22involved because if you don't get involved what's the point of being there? And he liked you didn't he
14:26he said he liked your spirit yeah he liked you he could see definitely something in you you know
14:31that's why that's how he keeps people in the process time after time because he can see something.
14:37Could have stayed if I would have fought my spot I could have stayed. You seemed confident from the
14:41get-go were there any moments during the process where you kind of felt a little less self-assured?
14:47Bottom three is a tough place to be and I was there quite a lot so I'd say every bottom
14:50three there's
14:51you know nerves go through like shaking under the table and like and it's when he does that
14:57he talks to you and then like drops and talks to someone else you're like oh my god I thought
15:00I was going. Yeah. That was pretty stressful. Yeah I bet. Because you could see behind all of the
15:07you know bravado that there were moments where I thought oh god. Yeah yeah. I feel like he's gonna cry.
15:13Yeah yeah yeah almost a few times after the bottom freeze. Yeah. I think it was when Dan said when
15:19Dan said
15:19how's the cat gonna get into that thing you just went. Oh yeah. Oh god. Yeah.
15:26I don't think about that. Now you say it. Yeah. Let me get a ladder like that's the additional extra.
15:31They have to pay for that. Yeah absolutely. Yeah that's what you said.
15:34I said that you get like a bolt on. Yeah yeah there you go. You buy the tree and then
15:38because my cat.
15:38Different fruits you know. Exactly. Different fruits. If your cat isn't into you know apples
15:43and bananas. Berries. They've got a full brand to build right. Honestly he's not messing around.
15:50What were your highlights Kieran? Apart from being recognised as a spirited young chap by the boss.
15:56My two favourite moments were both with Lawrence actually so it was the carbonara selling
16:01on the market in Greenwich that was hilarious and then it's gotta be the lads day out in Isle of
16:07Wight.
16:07Goats. Yeah. Nice little glass of wine. Yeah. Feed the goats. Clean the goats up. It's hilarious.
16:14Job done. Job done. That was great fun. Well it was great having you and great watching you.
16:18Thank you so much Kieran everybody. Thank you. It is time to meet the candidate who faced her fear
16:25of cats but unfortunately dropped the furball on the task. Here's the moment she left the boardroom for good.
16:31Um Rothner you sold nothing and at least Dan did sell 2000 pieces. So you've been really impressive
16:40in this process but I have to tell you that regretfully your journey is over now. You're fired.
16:49Thank you very much for the opportunity. Good luck Rothner. It's Rothner. Yay. Hello. Welcome.
17:05Thank you for having me. Oh got it. Got it. Before you were fired Lord Sugar said to you you've
17:10been
17:10very very impressive. Was that you know bam to the wound? I mean would have been nice if you hired
17:17me.
17:17But you know what I'm actually really really thankful he said that because you know throughout
17:21that whole process you obviously want to make an impression and Stephen had a compliment and then
17:26been fired. I think he really struggled though didn't he. I think he really struggled between you
17:30and Dan and really he doesn't often say that to Kandit. So the fact that he said it to you
17:36I would take
17:36that as I don't think he's ever said it to me to be honest. I would take that as like
17:40something that
17:41I've told to my heart really. Oh thank you. No it really was special. Obviously at that you know when
17:47you're told you're fired it's just like a blur and anything that happened before and after you're just
17:52in a state of shock and so hearing that back and him say that it actually sunk in a little
17:56bit. So yeah
17:57it was a really nice little moment. Let's talk Rothner about the fateful task. Had Kieran not
18:03automatically been made project manager would you have put yourself forward for this one? Yes I would
18:07have put myself forward because I think you know when you've got a little bit of fear and at this
18:11stage of the process it's all about wanting to maximize what's in your control and like obviously
18:16we saw when I was building the catchy like Kieran kept saying trust me learnt my lesson from there but
18:21I think if I was PM I definitely would have like 100% said what I wanted there and then
18:26and like
18:27not taking no for an answer and it's hard to do so because when you're not PM you don't want
18:30to
18:30come across as that person that's just constantly like stopping you from progressing. Yeah you said
18:35that that you wish you were kind of more of a hindrance was there a sense that maybe because pets
18:41cats
18:41weren't your thing that you weren't able to follow the instincts that actually were leading you
18:46towards very sensible questions? Yeah because I was with Dan and you know Kieran who have pets they've had
18:52pets all their life and like I haven't I've got a fear of it so for me the least I
18:57know the better
18:57it is for me but then I think I wish I trusted my gut because some of the things is
19:01pretty self
19:02explanatory right and I think because Kieran kept saying trust me trust me I thought you know what
19:07maybe let me just trust him and I guess that that area and when we were in that moment I
19:12honestly wish
19:13I just trusted my gut I really do. At least you knew that uh cats don't love cheese and it
19:19was the
19:20mice that love cheese. Yeah it was that moment I was like oh we're doomed we're flying blind here lads.
19:26Yeah so true. Honestly I had a huge reality check when he looked at me he said cheese I was
19:31like oh dear
19:32sorry honestly I think I would have done a better job sorry Kieran. No I think that's fair enough.
19:37Yeah. You hadn't been back in the boardroom since week one was it easier this time or tougher because
19:44you were so close to the final five? In some ways it was a lot harder because you know there
19:50was a lot
19:50of pressure riding on it and you know final five is what all we ever spoke about in the house
19:55you
19:55know like that's where everyone wants to be um week one obviously being brought back it's so early on
20:00and you're kind of fighting for to be noticed you know to be able to show Lord Sugar what you're
20:04made of
20:05and at this point you've kind of shown Lord Sugar what you're made of now it's the business bit
20:08which is the bit you really care about so yeah it was really hard being in that boardroom and I
20:13guess
20:13you know it I I knew it was do or die in that moment and I tried I tried but
20:19yeah it led to me being
20:20excited. Week one you coming back into the restaurant reminding everyone you're like we're fighting for our
20:28lives in there almost like it was such an iconic moment for me and everyone was just like oh dear
20:34I've just gotten serious it was beautiful because it was dramatic you know that boardroom in Hong Kong
20:41my god I have never sweated more in my life I didn't even sweat that much in the task that
20:45I did in there
20:46and I came back and I was like I don't know about you guys but I survived something big there
20:51and you
20:51do come back and I think I had that added advantage in that moment to be over everybody else who
20:55wasn't in the boardroom and you know it's really serious you don't realize how serious the process
21:00is until you're sat in front of Lord Sugar fighting for your life you are fighting for your life guys
21:04honestly you were PM for the flower task again like a really beautiful show I think of of your
21:11capability your ability to lead people was it natural for you that leadership position you know
21:17what's really interesting is I think it came because I really enjoyed the task and I love working with
21:23people like in my day job you know I work in mental health and well-being and I think hearing
21:26people's opinions is really important obviously I ended up going for what I wanted in the end
21:30but it's important to like listen to people and I didn't really quite realize perhaps how good I am
21:36at leadership like having such a good win it was reassuring for me more than anything that I'm
21:41capable and I can lead a team to victory and I just needed to believe in myself and I think
21:46that
21:46you have a really lovely way about you as well because you're not like overly aggressive or overly
21:52cocky you just do it in a very lovely like way of making your views known with respect to other
21:59people and you know I I really thought that you came across really well in that and I think everyone
22:05said you were a great project manager in that as well yeah that was such a wholesale moment for me
22:09um but thank you that really means a lot and Tim said that you were a calming influence amongst the
22:14chaos was there ever a moment that we may not have seen where you thought you're going to lose your
22:19cool pretty much every week I think I'm just really great at hiding it honestly I think I think where
22:25I what's really important to me is even if you're panicking as a leader it's so important that you
22:31don't show that swan yeah honestly internally like I am surprised you guys didn't see more of my
22:37panic around the cats like inside I thought like my heart honestly was beating so fast but I just
22:43thought if I show it I'll believe that I'm actually panicking and then everyone else will start
22:46panicking and it's so important that you don't spread that panic on and you contain it from within
22:51so yeah there were plenty of moments where I felt it but I'm just glad you guys didn't get to
22:54see it
22:56well it was felt certainly your the loss of you in the house when you didn't return Karishma particularly
23:05very very emotional yeah was that difficult watching I cried when I watched it it was so hard to watch
23:12because honestly she's like a sister to me like it's really rare in a competitive environment to
23:17really really feel that you know um sisterhood and like I found a piece of home within her and like
23:24what she said the feeling was completely mutual yeah with Karishma I think she's just an absolute
23:29boss I've seen this other soft little mellow side to her I think that's so important like it just shows
23:34how human she is and I think we both related on that like we can show everybody a cool calm
23:39and
23:39collected but then we'd get it back into our rooms and we'd have a little cry and be like this
23:42was
23:42stressful that was stressful and it's so nice to share that together so absolutely love her
23:46well it's brilliant you're an absolute joy to watch so thank you so so much it is time for boardroom
23:53bangers brace yourselves the part of the show where our guests provide the soundtrack to the task
23:58claudine what have you gone for so i have gone for something that bearing in mind i was looking at
24:06the
24:06cat tree thinking what on earth this is what i've gone for
24:21oh i've trashed that one in karaoke a couple of times let me tell you
24:25banger isn't it okay owain what have you gone for well for me the thing that stood out during this
24:32episode was the um fine grasp on the french language or not so i've gone for this
24:52pascha should have let the music do the talk i think i think absolutely so yeah let's move on our
24:59final five now set to face a grilling it is time for the interviews and i've got a little exclusive
25:06um looking back on my plan i think i should um i know i need to allocate a lot more
25:10money
25:10and well how much more um i reckon that's going to cost around 150 000. so why did you put
25:1650 000
25:16um that was you've got no idea really what you're doing have you correct you're not going to produce
25:21a drink for 50 000 you haven't even got a recipe you haven't even got a manufacturer yes i agree
25:27and i
25:28look you're good at your day job do that try and build the boozy bar up forget the drink you're
25:32never going to do it okay okay
25:37oh god that couldn't go any worse oh that was i'm shaking and sweating that broke my heart a little
25:48little cute that is savage yeah she's brutal honestly yeah now claudine up until this point
25:58i think candidates they can make excuses can't they that certain tasks aren't suited to their
26:03skill set or their experience but now there's absolutely nowhere to hide how tough is the interview
26:09process but please say that's as bad as it gets it is a tough tough process we get 45 minutes
26:16to an hour
26:17with each of them and there are four of us and you know the interviewers will find things that
26:22even though they'll think we've covered everything we know our business we will always find things
26:27that they haven't thought of it's also interesting that obviously when we interview that is the first
26:34time we've seen them so we haven't seen any of this we get to know like how many they've won
26:41or lost but
26:41we don't know how they've performed in the process so we are literally seeing them and only meeting
26:48them or knowing anything about them the minute that they walk in that door so you're not swayed
26:52by your ideas of their personalities no we have cv like the business plan and we go through that but
26:59we wouldn't know what they were like personality wise at all and that's so interesting because as a
27:04viewer you know at that stage you've built up this kind of idea of the person as a whole in
27:10your head
27:10yeah you just go in there and you have to basically pay willie on what they have absolutely wow that
27:17is a wrap gang thank you so much to my brilliant guests claudina wine rothner and of course kieran
27:22yay thank you don't forget to tune in next time for more unfinished business on bbc2
27:29iplayer or bbc sounds straight after the apprentice when we'll be discussing which candidates just missed
27:36out on a place in the final i'm angela stanlon goodbye
27:39so
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