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00:12Coming up on Unidentified.
00:15Oh my gosh, dude.
00:17There's a whole fleet of them.
00:18Never forget those voices.
00:19You know those voices?
00:20I know those guys, yeah.
00:21If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes, I don't know if I would have believed in either.
00:24It was basically a sphere with a cube in his eye.
00:26So now these objects have a global presence.
00:30That thing is hauling ass.
00:31Exactly my point.
00:33The Pentagon has confirmed the existence of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program
00:37that studied UFOs and they released video.
00:40They're all going against the wind.
00:42My gosh.
00:44For eight years, Lou Elizondo ran a secret UFO investigation for the U.S. military.
00:50But in 2017, he quit in protest.
00:53I put my entire future on the line because I believe in what I believe in.
00:57Now he's joined an elite group of former government insiders.
01:00Their mission, reveal what they say is the truth about UFOs.
01:04U.S. airspace is being violated by vehicles of unknown origin with advanced capabilities.
01:09It's rotating.
01:10This is real and we're going to get to the bottom of it.
01:12If people knew these unidentified vehicles are operating within minutes of the D.C. area,
01:18they would say, excuse me, isn't this something we ought to pay attention to?
01:38How's our friend?
01:40Is he okay?
01:41He's really nervous.
01:42We've got him set up in a motel nearby.
01:44Sure.
01:44This is a big moment for him.
01:46He's going to be the first guy on his ship to come out.
01:48He has expressed his desire to have a conversation about something that seems almost extraordinary.
01:54It can certainly make you nervous.
01:56Lou Elizondo is on his way to meet an active-duty Navy fighter pilot who's agreed to disclose,
02:01for the first time, details of an extraordinary series of UFO encounters captured on video
02:07over the Atlantic Ocean in 2015.
02:10With Elizondo is veteran Navy pilot David Fravor,
02:13who says he had a similar UFO encounter in 2004 over the Pacific.
02:17It's great that he's agreed to talk with us.
02:20I would start with, you know, what he was doing that day, let him tell his story.
02:30Hey, Ryan, how are you?
02:31I'm Lou.
02:32Nice to meet you.
02:32It's taken weeks of negotiating to convince the pilot to talk.
02:36Appreciate you taking the time to speak with us.
02:40Elizondo hopes having one of the most respected pilots in the Navy with him
02:43will put the younger pilot at ease.
02:46Two v. one, huh?
02:47It's not a fair fight.
02:49Lieutenant Ryan Graves has spent a decade training Navy pilots and flying bombing missions.
02:54As a combat section lead, he twice deployed to the Middle East
02:57and holds a degree in aerospace engineering.
03:00Go ahead, let's start from the beginning.
03:01Well, simply put, I don't really know where the beginning is.
03:05In the summer of 2014,
03:08Lieutenant Graves was based out of Naval Air Station Oceana in Virginia Beach.
03:15Lieutenant Graves says his squadron, the Red Rippers,
03:18was running training exercises up and down the East Coast
03:21when they started to pick up mysterious radar tracks.
03:24We didn't really think a lot of them other than the fact that maybe they were just,
03:29just a part of the radar itself,
03:31not necessarily an actual physical object.
03:33Is there any difference between the aircraft you were flying in 2015
03:37versus what he was flying in 2014?
03:40We had upgraded electronics, radar systems.
03:43It's a generational difference.
03:44It's a big deal.
03:46Huge, huge increase in capability.
03:48The pilots wondered if their new radar system was malfunctioning
03:51until they saw one of the unidentified objects up close.
03:55Walking through that moment, were you there or was it one of your colleagues?
03:58It was one of my colleagues, so I didn't hear about it until they landed.
04:01Did he give you size, color, texture?
04:04It was basically a cube inside of sphere
04:07where the points of the cube were touching outside of the sphere.
04:13We've got now two different things.
04:14You guys got cubes with balls.
04:16Around the West Coast, we got flying Tic Tacs.
04:20You will sometimes get phantom tracks
04:22where it's seeing something that's not there.
04:24That's what we thought they were 100% of the time
04:26until we would see them physically,
04:28the mentality of them with their eyeballs.
04:29It's not like I'm seeing a bright physical object.
04:32I'm literally just seeing a flash shine out there.
04:35Wherever we were, they were there.
04:36So that could mean two things.
04:38That could mean they were already there
04:39or they were following the strike group.
04:43By 2015, Lieutenant Graves claims his pilots
04:46were encountering bizarre craft almost every time they flew.
04:49You know, it's one thing if one person sees one of these objects
04:52and they're like, okay, that's crazy.
04:54When you go out there every day and you see them
04:56and your brothers and sisters and other squadrons are seeing them,
04:59you know, it's like, okay, well,
05:00this is probably some type of maybe drone thing
05:03or something that they're testing out.
05:05It wasn't until someone actually saw one go in between two aircraft
05:09at a close range, probably within 150 feet,
05:11that it was starting to get worrisome.
05:14Lieutenant Graves says when one of the objects
05:16nearly caused a terrifying mid-air collision,
05:21senior pilots in his squadron decided to act.
05:24At this point, we're like, something needs to be done.
05:27We submitted a safety report to the Navy Safety Center.
05:30They've been seeing these things for two months.
05:32Multiple people have seen them,
05:33multiple people have tracked them.
05:34You get one that splits a section,
05:37enough to send out your mishap report to the Safety Center.
05:41Did anyone contact you and say, what is going on?
05:44No.
05:44No investigation, no nothing?
05:46No.
05:49We have a video I'd like you to see.
05:51Without telling you anything about it,
05:54I'm going to be curious your thoughts,
05:56and you can tell me what you see.
05:58These three UFO videos were released by the Pentagon.
06:02The one on the left has already been identified
06:04as the 2004 incident involving David Fravor.
06:08The source of the other two had remained a mystery.
06:15This video has come to be known as GoFast
06:17and shows an object speeding just above the water.
06:22The other is known as Gimbal.
06:25The sensor is on a Gimbal underneath the aircraft,
06:28and it can rotate to maintain a track.
06:31They're all going against the wind.
06:33My gosh.
06:35There's a whole fleet of them on the ASA.
06:38My gosh.
06:39I never forget those voices.
06:41You know those voices?
06:42I know those guys, yeah.
06:42It's a breakthrough in the investigation.
06:44For the first time,
06:46a pilot has confirmed that the two unidentified videos,
06:49Gimbal and GoFast,
06:50were taken by Navy jets from the Theodore Roosevelt.
06:52We're getting ready for our deployment,
06:54so we do workups along the eastern seaboard,
06:57and these objects kind of came with us.
06:59Lieutenant Graves says both Gimbal and GoFast
07:01were filmed within weeks of each other
07:03over the Atlantic off Jacksonville, Florida.
07:07And as Lieutenant Graves' squadron
07:09was preparing to deploy to the Middle East,
07:11they were seeing so many mysterious objects
07:13they started sharing the videos
07:15when they got back on ship.
07:17They were obviously very excited about what happened,
07:19and then they were heading down
07:20to watch the full video in its entirety.
07:22There's parts of this video that we can talk about
07:24that aren't here.
07:25Let's walk through that.
07:27So this object was significantly larger
07:30than the ones we used to see.
07:31Lieutenant Graves says the Gimbal video
07:33is just part of a longer, higher-resolution video
07:36he was shown on the ship.
07:37It included several smaller craft,
07:39the kind he was more familiar with.
07:42They were essentially flying themselves in a formation.
07:45And then behind those
07:48was the object that you kind of see here,
07:50and not the world's greatest drawer,
07:52but as you can see here,
07:53it almost looks like a gyroscope, right?
07:55The way it moves,
07:56the points coming out of the top and the bottom
07:58of what appears to be a disk
08:00or at least a central mass on the object.
08:02So these objects were proceeding in one direction.
08:05The five at some point
08:07basically just turned themselves around
08:09with some type of radius of turn as a unit
08:13and started flying in that direction.
08:14At this time,
08:15it's pretty much where you see this video,
08:17where these are now out of the picture,
08:18and it's just this guy that's stationary.
08:21Is that why they refer to them
08:22as there's a whole fleet of them?
08:23Yep.
08:24Okay.
08:24So there wasn't a whole fleet of these.
08:26There was just all these little guys.
08:28And then there's the one object
08:29which we had never seen before,
08:30which was significantly larger.
08:32Lieutenant Graves says the way the larger craft
08:34suddenly rotates at 90 degrees
08:36is unlike anything he had ever seen.
08:40It's rotating.
08:42It's just basic airplane physics.
08:44When your wings are underneath you,
08:45you're flying along,
08:46you have 100% of your lift.
08:48And if you turn yourself all the way like this,
08:51kind of knife-blading,
08:52you have none of the lift
08:53that your wings would provide you.
08:54So the fact that he would just get himself
08:56on his wingtip with no turn
08:58by staying at the exact same point
09:00isn't how aircraft work.
09:03Ryan Graves is an aerospace engineer
09:05when he's not a pilot.
09:07So when Ryan is telling you
09:09that there is something up there
09:10that he doesn't know how it works
09:12and it is not one of our aircraft,
09:16you need to listen.
09:18What's fascinating and interesting
09:19about these objects
09:20is that they're up there when we take off.
09:23They're doing their thing
09:24for our hour, hour and a half,
09:25maybe two-hour flight.
09:27And then we land,
09:28and my buddy that takes off an hour later
09:30has seen the same things.
09:32This is important.
09:34Now we're looking at something
09:35that can stay stationary
09:36over a geographic point
09:38and 120 knots of wind.
09:40We're all going against the wind.
09:41The wind's 120 knots from the west.
09:43Can rotate around
09:45and then can accelerate above supersonic.
09:48As a Top Gun guy,
09:50have you seen something like that before?
09:53No.
09:54No, I'm...
09:54I'm...
09:56I'm pretty baffled right now.
09:59Coming up on Unidentified,
10:01what Lieutenant Graves says next
10:03stuns Elizondo and Fravor.
10:05At least 50 or 60 people.
10:06I've talked to people from other squadrons
10:08since the same story.
10:09And even more startling
10:10is where the UFOs appeared next.
10:19There are people out there
10:21that you know right now
10:22that you could pick up the phone
10:23and they would say,
10:25yeah, that was something
10:26that we routinely encountered.
10:28Probably at least 50 or 60, yeah.
10:3050 or 60 individuals.
10:32Easy.
10:33Lou Elizondo and veteran Navy fighter pilot
10:36David Fravor
10:36are learning new details
10:38about an extraordinary case
10:39caught on camera.
10:41It's rotating.
10:45Active duty Navy pilot
10:46Lieutenant Ryan Graves
10:47says a fleet of UFOs
10:49followed his carrier
10:50from the summer of 2014
10:52into 2015
10:54off the East Coast.
10:57The reason Lieutenant Graves
10:58is speaking out
10:59is because he's concerned
11:01about his comrades
11:02and he's concerned
11:03about national security
11:04and he's seeing a system
11:07which is failing to react.
11:09Chris Mellon
11:09is a former Deputy Assistant
11:11Secretary of Defense
11:12for Intelligence.
11:13If people in the D.C. area
11:14knew that within minutes
11:16of their location
11:18these unidentified vehicles
11:20are operating
11:21seemingly without regard
11:23to our air defense capabilities,
11:26operating at will
11:27just minutes
11:27from the nation's capital,
11:28I think they would say,
11:30uh, excuse me,
11:31isn't this something
11:32we ought to pay attention to?
11:34The incidents had disturbed
11:36Lieutenant Graves
11:37and his fellow pilots.
11:38But what happened
11:39in the months following
11:40would raise the stakes
11:42even higher.
11:44In March 2015,
11:46the Theodore Roosevelt
11:47was deployed
11:47to the Arabian Gulf
11:48when suddenly,
11:50Lieutenant Graves says
11:51the UFOs reappeared.
11:53We did have issues with them
11:54when we actually went out
11:55to the Middle East.
11:56Not in the transit,
11:57but once we actually settled out
11:58into the Middle East.
12:03In the Middle East,
12:05one of the targets
12:06of U.S. firepower
12:07was the Russian-allied
12:08Syrian government.
12:10Were the unidentified objects
12:12tracking the Navy jets
12:13actually next-generation
12:14Russian drones?
12:18No one really knows,
12:19you know,
12:20what they are,
12:20but if it was an aircraft,
12:23if it was a MiG,
12:23if it was, uh,
12:25any type of enemy aircraft,
12:27it'd probably be
12:27a pretty big deal.
12:29That airspace
12:30is exclusive-use airspace
12:31that we use out there
12:33over the ocean
12:33for tens of F-18s
12:36going every day.
12:37You know,
12:37we've got these things
12:38showing up,
12:38you've got these things
12:39showing up
12:39that are following the ship,
12:41and no one's like,
12:42at least pulling the data
12:43to go,
12:44you know,
12:44if 10 F-18s come back
12:45and say,
12:46yeah, we're seeing
12:46these things all over,
12:47you would think
12:47someone would prompt
12:48to go,
12:49hey, what is going on?
12:50So,
12:51you have objects
12:52off the coast of San Diego,
12:54you have objects
12:56potentially off the coast
12:57of Virginia,
12:58and these objects now
13:00somewhere over
13:01the Middle East,
13:01and now these objects
13:03have potentially
13:03a global presence,
13:05not a regional presence,
13:07a global presence
13:09to be wherever
13:09they want to be.
13:10Yeah.
13:11I'm fascinated
13:12that over 60 people
13:13have seen these things
13:14and it's just become
13:15like the accepted norm.
13:17I appreciate
13:18what you guys are doing,
13:19trying to hunt down
13:20these answers
13:21from guys like me.
13:23You know,
13:24if there's anybody else
13:25who has had some
13:26interesting experiences
13:28like this,
13:28we'd love to know.
13:29We want to know
13:30what this is.
13:39In the 2004 Nimitz incident,
13:41Navy pilots went head-to-head
13:43with a tic-tac-shaped object.
13:48Ten years later,
13:49the Roosevelt pilots
13:50say they encountered
13:51three different craft.
13:56A cube inside a sphere,
13:58a large disc-shaped UFO,
14:00and a smaller round object
14:02captured here.
14:03We used to call them
14:04Foo Fighters.
14:05That's what they used to call
14:06unidentified flying objects
14:07during World War II
14:08that the old guys saw.
14:10During the war,
14:12mysterious flying objects
14:13were reported
14:14by American pilots
14:15over Europe
14:16and the Pacific.
14:18These Foo Fighters
14:19were often described
14:20as small spheres,
14:21similar to what was seen
14:22by the Roosevelt pilots
14:2370 years later.
14:26We seem to be dealing
14:27with more than one phenomenon
14:28where they're from,
14:30who's operating,
14:30what their intent is.
14:31Maybe there are, in fact,
14:32multiple sources
14:33that are competing
14:35and contending
14:35that are developing
14:36these craft.
14:37In either case,
14:39it's hard to find
14:41a prosaic explanation
14:44for a carrier battle group
14:46being shadowed
14:47by unidentified aircraft
14:48all the way across
14:49the Atlantic
14:51to an area of operations
14:53overseas in the Middle East.
14:55It makes an extremely
14:57compelling case
14:58for the existence
14:59of technologies
15:00that we didn't even think
15:02were possible.
15:04So, Jets,
15:05we're going to play the video.
15:06I'd like your opinions
15:06on what we're seeing
15:07play by play.
15:08The Navy's UFO videos
15:09are so potentially explosive
15:11that Elizondo wants
15:12an independent analysis
15:13of what exactly they show.
15:15I'm going to sit down
15:16right here.
15:17Retired Marine
15:18Lieutenant Colonel Chris Cook
15:19spent a career
15:20flying fighter jets.
15:21Ross Amer flew commercial
15:23aircraft for decades
15:24and consults for the
15:25National Transportation
15:26Safety Board.
15:28I don't want to give you
15:30too much information
15:31on these videos up front.
15:32I think it's important
15:33that we look at this
15:34information without
15:35too much background.
15:37Elizondo's already asked
15:38them to analyze
15:39the 2004 footage
15:40from the Nimitz,
15:41but now he wants
15:42their take on the two videos
15:44from the Roosevelt
15:44in 2015.
15:49The go-fast video
15:50is 33 seconds long
15:52and shows a round craft
15:53that appears to be streaking
15:55across the ocean's surface.
16:19That thing is hauling ass.
16:20That's exactly my point.
16:21It's a little less than
16:22two-thirds of speed
16:23of sound.
16:24But how is the craft
16:25able to fly so fast?
16:27The infrared sensor
16:28shows the object is cold.
16:30If this were some type
16:32of aircraft
16:33with a conventional
16:34propulsion system,
16:36we would definitely see
16:37some type of heat signature.
16:39Everything we know
16:40about propulsion systems
16:41is they create
16:42an intense amount of heat.
16:44Typically,
16:44when an airplane moves
16:46out of the way
16:47or tries to maneuver
16:49or evade,
16:51it will typically
16:52go to full power.
16:54And everything we know
16:55about propulsion systems
16:56is they create
16:57an intense amount of heat.
16:59Afterburner,
17:00in particular for the F-18,
17:03can extend 30 feet
17:04behind the airplane.
17:06So if it was
17:07a conventional type aircraft,
17:10you would most definitely
17:11see some type of an IR signature,
17:14plume behind the airplane.
17:17Well, and that seems to me,
17:19as a layperson,
17:21I mean, I don't know
17:21how far that thing is away,
17:22but it seems kind of sudden.
17:23It seems like it's
17:24all of a sudden here
17:26and starts to drift
17:27to the left
17:28and then boom, boom,
17:30out of the way.
17:31Gone, out of the way.
17:32Now, here's the interesting
17:33part of this geometric problem
17:36is if it is close,
17:38that for that object to move,
17:40if it is at a pretty
17:42significant range,
17:44for it to move off
17:45that quickly,
17:46that's very fast.
17:48And if it's far away,
17:50to move that quickly,
17:52it's even faster.
17:54Wow.
17:55Very, very interesting.
17:57There is no known aircraft
17:58that can stay aloft for long
17:59without a source of lift
18:00and propulsion.
18:07The gimbal video
18:09is even more baffling
18:10to the experts.
18:10It shows a craft midair
18:12that rotates
18:13into a near-perpendicular
18:15position to the ground.
18:18It is a fucking drone, bro.
18:21There's a whole fleet of them.
18:22Look on the ASA.
18:24My gosh.
18:27They're all going against the wind.
18:29The wind's 120 knots from the west.
18:31It's rotating.
18:31It's rotating, dude.
18:32It's rotating.
18:34The strange way the object
18:36turns in midair
18:37confuses both experts.
18:39It is definitely rotating,
18:41it appears to be,
18:42or, you know,
18:42changing angle of bank.
18:44And it appears to have
18:45stopped moving quickly
18:47across the horizon.
18:48And yet,
18:48it doesn't lose any altitude.
18:51It doesn't seem to be dropping.
18:53Sadly,
18:54with all the experience
18:55that you think we have,
18:57I can't figure it out.
18:59Well, I certainly can, Chris.
19:01No.
19:02I have no idea.
19:03I've always kind of been
19:04skeptical about aliens
19:06and, you know,
19:08UFOs and things like that.
19:09But I've never seen
19:11anything remotely
19:12like what I saw today.
19:14I'm a lot more convinced
19:15now that these vehicles
19:18do exist.
19:18coming up
19:20on Unidentified.
19:21First three words
19:22that spring to mind
19:23are bizarre,
19:26incredible,
19:26and unacceptable.
19:41Good morning, Lou.
19:42Welcome.
19:43How are you doing today?
19:44Very well, thanks.
19:46Former Deputy Assistant
19:47Secretary of Defense
19:48for Intelligence,
19:49Chris Mellon,
19:49has convinced
19:50a powerful group
19:51of lawmakers
19:52to meet with him
19:53about ongoing military
19:54encounters with UFOs.
19:56But first,
19:57Lou Elizondo
19:57is briefing him
19:58on the latest breakthrough
19:59in their investigation.
20:00What I'd like to do
20:01is show you
20:01a short highlight
20:02of an interview
20:03that we did recently
20:04with an active-duty pilot.
20:07Elizondo had convinced
20:08a Navy pilot
20:09to go public
20:10with the story
20:10behind two unidentified
20:12Pentagon UFO videos
20:13captured off Florida.
20:15Where the Nimitz
20:16was occurring
20:17in the Pacific,
20:18we have now
20:20very similar incidents
20:21occurring in the Atlantic.
20:24Before I say any more,
20:26why don't we just
20:28watch a few minutes here?
20:31We're getting ready
20:31for our deployment
20:32on the Theodore of Louisville
20:33over in Virginia Beach,
20:34NAS, Oceania.
20:35Lieutenant Ryan Graves
20:36described how UFOs
20:37appear to follow
20:38his carrier strike group
20:39from the summer of 2014
20:41into 2015.
20:42It wasn't until
20:43someone actually saw one
20:44go in between two aircraft
20:45at a close range,
20:47probably within 150 feet,
20:48that it was starting
20:49to get worrisome.
20:51Well, I'll tell you
20:52the first three words
20:54that spring to mind
20:55are bizarre,
20:57incredible,
20:58and unacceptable.
20:59If that wasn't
21:00interesting enough,
21:00these incidents
21:01were encountered
21:02near the United States,
21:03and as they made their way
21:05to the Middle East AOR,
21:06they encountered
21:08these things again,
21:08almost like they were
21:09being stalked.
21:10You know,
21:10as a former intelligence
21:11person,
21:12I'm a little frustrated
21:14that we spend
21:1550 billion a year
21:17to try to avert
21:19strategic surprise,
21:20and then we have
21:21vehicles with
21:22extraordinary capabilities
21:23that may be surveilling
21:25one of our aircraft
21:26carrier battle groups,
21:28and nobody's
21:29taking action
21:29to find out
21:30where these things
21:31are coming from
21:32and what they're
21:33doing there.
21:34Lieutenant Graves'
21:35squadron had filed
21:36a report to the
21:37Naval Aviation Safety Office,
21:39but he says
21:40nothing was done
21:41about what they'd
21:42come to see
21:43as a serious threat.
21:45There were
21:46innumerable radar
21:47contacts and sightings
21:49over an eight-week period
21:51all the way
21:52across the Atlantic,
21:53as many as perhaps
21:5460 naval personnel
21:56who had eyes on
21:57either on radar screens
21:58or visually
21:59in the air.
22:01So the evidence
22:02is sort of the tip
22:03of the iceberg,
22:04if you will.
22:06I think your friends
22:08on the Hill
22:08may be very surprised
22:10to know that
22:10these incidents
22:11have continued
22:12as recently as 2015.
22:15Lou Elizondo,
22:16Chris Mellon,
22:17these are guys
22:17that are trying
22:18to work through
22:19the system.
22:19They're not outside
22:20the system
22:21sort of throwing grenades
22:23in order to get
22:23their way.
22:25They're trying
22:25to get Congress
22:26on board.
22:27They're trying
22:28to get more
22:29of the Pentagon
22:30leadership to pay
22:30attention.
22:31But because they
22:32are bound by their
22:33oath to protect
22:34classified information,
22:35they need to be careful.
22:36Mellon wants to show
22:37the video of Lieutenant
22:38Graves to his contacts
22:39and powerful
22:40congressional committees
22:41that oversee
22:42national security.
22:44He hopes the
22:44lieutenant's dramatic
22:45story will get
22:46Congress to acknowledge
22:47these incidents are real
22:48and take action.
22:50But Mellon knows
22:51he has to be careful.
22:53Talking about UFOs,
22:54carries the decades-long
22:55stigma of flying saucers
22:57and alien visitors.
22:58The alien angle
23:00on this is the biggest
23:01impediment to progress.
23:02I agree.
23:03And I want to steer
23:03as far clear of that
23:05as possible
23:06in any discussions.
23:07This is an issue
23:08of unknown aircraft
23:10that appear to be
23:11surveilling the fleet
23:12in significant numbers
23:15over prolonged
23:16periods of time.
23:17They're being observed
23:18observed by large numbers
23:21of pilots.
23:22The observations are
23:24confirmed by our
23:25sensor systems.
23:27And nobody seems
23:29to be taking action.
23:30And here we have
23:31multiple mysterious aircraft
23:34with absolutely stunning,
23:36sort of unprecedented
23:37capabilities flying
23:39in restricted military
23:40airspace in close proximity
23:43to carrier battle groups
23:44working up for deployments
23:45to the Middle East.
23:47And the Congress
23:48isn't being informed.
23:49The upper echelons
23:50of the department
23:50are not being informed.
23:52Senior people
23:53in the intelligence community
23:54don't seem to be
23:55getting the message.
23:56And nobody's responding.
23:58Maybe at the end
23:58of the day,
23:59we'll find a personal,
24:00a simple,
24:01reasonable explanation.
24:03Maybe we'll find out
24:04it was some special
24:05classified program
24:06and we can pop
24:07a bottle of champagne
24:08and we can celebrate
24:09our breakthrough
24:10and that's great, right?
24:11I have faith
24:12that the leadership
24:13in this country
24:13does want to do
24:15something about it.
24:15I think that they do
24:16want to know about this.
24:17I think that there are
24:19challenges that we have
24:20internally,
24:21probably in part
24:21because of stigma,
24:23probably in part
24:24because of other things,
24:26that for some reason
24:27this information
24:28isn't getting trickled up
24:30to the right levels
24:31for attention.
24:33I'm going to fold this up
24:34and get out of your hair.
24:36Thank you, Lou.
24:36Great job.
24:37Great work.
24:38Elizondo hands Mellon
24:39a tablet with a clip
24:40from the interview
24:41and he heads to a
24:43closed-door meeting
24:43on Capitol Hill.
24:47Not everybody recalls
24:49from their civic lesson
24:50that it's the Congress,
24:52not the executive branch,
24:53that raises and maintains
24:55the military
24:56and is responsible
24:58for their organization
24:59and funding
25:00and they can't do that
25:02effectively if they don't
25:03know what the threats
25:04are out there.
25:08over the decades,
25:09Congress has made
25:10sporadic attempts
25:11to tackle the UFO issue
25:12with little result.
25:14In 1966,
25:16House Minority Leader
25:17Gerald Ford
25:18called for hearings
25:19after a rash of UFO sightings
25:21in his Michigan district.
25:23Two years later,
25:24beings that come from the sky
25:26that are worried about us,
25:27that are powerful.
25:28Astronomer Carl Sagan
25:29told the House Committee
25:30on Science and Aeronautics
25:31that investigating UFOs
25:33was a valid pursuit
25:34and Project Blue Book's
25:36J. Allen Hynek
25:36testified that he hoped
25:38respected scientists
25:39would study his UFO reports.
25:41How many really mysterious
25:43incidents are there
25:44that you'd like to go back
25:45and look at again?
25:47As I mentioned
25:47in the hearings this morning,
25:48I have picked some 20
25:51which have possible
25:52scientific pay dirt in them.
25:53But Project Blue Book
25:54was closed down a year later
25:56and Hynek's dream
25:57would have to wait.
26:01Fifty years later,
26:02Elizondo and Mellon
26:03are again pushing Congress
26:04to take notice.
26:06What's the word?
26:07Oh, good meeting.
26:08Really good meeting.
26:09Lawmakers had already heard
26:10from the USS Nimitz pilots
26:12during a closed-door meeting
26:13earlier in the year.
26:14It's getting a lot more
26:15attention now.
26:16We, as a military,
26:18we as an institution,
26:19we as an American people,
26:20we should take this seriously.
26:23They recognized
26:24that the Nimitz incident
26:26was not an isolated incident.
26:27Yeah, absolutely.
26:28That there's a trend.
26:29Absolutely.
26:29Excellent.
26:30And they'd like to hear
26:31as more people come forward
26:32and approach us,
26:33they're interested in hearing
26:34what they have to say also.
26:35Now,
26:36Mellon's Washington contacts
26:37have told him
26:38they want to meet directly
26:39with Lieutenant Graves
26:40and any other pilot
26:41in his squadron
26:42who's willing to speak up.
26:46Carl Sagan
26:47once famously said
26:49about UFOs,
26:50extraordinary claims
26:51require extraordinary proof.
26:52He was absolutely right.
26:55But now we have the proof.
26:57The question now is,
26:59will people look at the evidence
27:00and are they able
27:01to process it?
27:08Lieutenant Ryan Graves
27:09has just described
27:10for the first time
27:11a terrifying series
27:12of encounters
27:13over the Atlantic
27:14between UFOs
27:15and the U.S. Navy.
27:18He says a fleet of UFOs
27:20stalked his squadron
27:21for months off the East Coast
27:23and even followed them
27:24to the Middle East.
27:32From my experience
27:34on the East Coast,
27:36tens, if not a hundred people
27:38have had this issue.
27:41Really the issue is that
27:42there's no real means
27:44of communication
27:44to kind of express
27:46that information.
27:46So what'll happen is
27:47you'll see something
27:49interesting
27:49and you'll show your buddies
27:51including your skipper
27:52and that's really
27:54where the conversation ends.
27:55Graves says
27:56his fellow pilots
27:56saw at least three
27:57different shapes of UFOs.
28:00Now, a second eyewitness
28:01is coming forward.
28:07What's up, buddy?
28:08Hey, what's up, man?
28:09How you doing?
28:10Good.
28:10How are you?
28:11Doing well, dude.
28:15I'm a very
28:16keep things close
28:16to the chest kind of guy.
28:18I trust him.
28:19We've flown together.
28:20We deployed together.
28:22And so when Lieutenant Graves
28:24was saying
28:24he's got some people
28:26interested in talking to us,
28:27I was willing
28:28to help him out.
28:30Many of these pilots
28:31have hundreds,
28:32if not several thousands
28:33of flying hours.
28:35It's not in their interest
28:36to make this stuff up
28:37because professionally
28:39it could be very damaging
28:40to them.
28:41In 2015,
28:43Lieutenant Graves
28:44and Lieutenant Danny Acoyne
28:45were training to deploy
28:47to the Middle East.
28:51What was the first thing
28:52you thought
28:52when you saw her
28:53that actually was like
28:54there is actually
28:55something there?
28:56First time you see it
28:57on the radar
28:58could possibly be
28:59a false track,
28:59but then when you start
29:00to get multiple sensors
29:01reading the exact same thing
29:03and then you get
29:03to see a display,
29:05that solidifies it
29:06for me.
29:08Again and again,
29:09the pilots were capturing
29:10bizarre-shaped objects
29:11on their F-18s cameras.
29:16Two of the videos
29:17would be released
29:18to the public.
29:19One would come
29:20to be known
29:20as GoFast.
29:21The other was called
29:22Gimbal.
29:23Really no distinct wings,
29:26no distinct tail,
29:28no distinct exhaust plume,
29:30much like you see
29:31in the Gimbal video.
29:33It seemed like
29:34they were aware
29:34of our presence
29:35because they would
29:36actively move around us.
29:39Lieutenant Graves
29:40was in the air
29:40the day the Gimbal video
29:41was recorded.
29:43We came back,
29:44we landed,
29:45and we got back
29:46to the ready room.
29:47We were getting our gear off
29:48and we were like,
29:48dude, Diego,
29:49check this video out
29:50in Civic.
29:52We're all going
29:52against the wind.
29:53The wind's 100.5
29:54to the west.
29:56What is this thing?
29:57His flight path
29:58doesn't look like
29:58it moves at all.
29:59Yeah, his flight path
29:59doesn't change.
30:00The altitude's not changing.
30:02So it's basically
30:02just rotating
30:03in some fashion,
30:04it was from my perspective.
30:06No, I'd say the same thing.
30:07That's definitely
30:07not a maneuver
30:08I've pulled before.
30:11According to the pilots,
30:12the go-fast video
30:13was captured
30:14several weeks later
30:15off Florida's east coast.
30:24So do you think
30:25that's the same air crew
30:25as the first one?
30:27Both videos
30:28appear to feature
30:29the same voices.
30:33that's led to questions
30:34whether they were faked.
30:36On the one hand,
30:37you could say,
30:37well, you know,
30:38it makes it more credible
30:39because you're hearing
30:40in the moment
30:42how surprised
30:43these military pilots are.
30:46At the same time,
30:47it probably increases
30:47the chances
30:48to think somebody
30:48could have spliced
30:49in the audio
30:50to make it sound
30:51more credible.
30:52That is the same air crew
30:53because I recognize
30:55my buddy's voices.
30:56Yeah.
30:57Yes, I think
30:58a lot of people will.
30:59I definitely recognize
31:00the voices of both
31:02the Wizzo on both of them
31:03and then the pilot
31:04and I were really good
31:05friends inside
31:06and outside of work.
31:07Our families
31:08spent a lot of time together.
31:13I don't know
31:13what this thing is.
31:14I don't know.
31:14This one's weird to me.
31:15I don't really know
31:15how to describe it.
31:16Could it have been a drone?
31:18I think, yes,
31:18it could have been.
31:19Whatever it was
31:20was small,
31:21which is why
31:22it was difficult
31:23to pick up visually.
31:24Despite their seemingly
31:25incredible capabilities,
31:27neither pilot
31:28can disregard
31:28the possibility
31:29that whatever
31:29was captured
31:30on both videos
31:31was either a technology
31:32controlled by the U.S. military
31:34or one of America's enemies.
31:37Is there anything
31:38that you know of
31:39that could make turns like that?
31:43I don't know.
31:45I don't know how deep
31:46I want to go down
31:47that path right now.
31:50In 2015,
31:51the commander
31:52of the Roosevelt Strike Group
31:53was Rear Admiral
31:54Andrew L. Lewis.
31:57Lieutenant Graves
31:57was there
31:58when the Admiral
31:58came below deck
31:59to watch one of the videos.
32:02So I stayed in the room
32:03in a civic
32:03because I heard
32:03the Admiral was coming down
32:04to check the video out.
32:05We've been dealing
32:06with this for a while.
32:07Let's see what he says
32:08about this save.
32:08And he walked into the room
32:10and I see him
32:11just look at the video
32:12for like five seconds
32:13and just go,
32:14huh,
32:14and walk out.
32:15And that was it.
32:19Could the mysterious craft
32:20have been part
32:21of a secret test program
32:23or were they sent
32:23by a foreign adversary,
32:25a so-called red threat?
32:27If it's some red threat,
32:29that would be enormous.
32:30If it was someone
32:32operating drones out there,
32:34that would be enormous too
32:35because someone's going to have a midair
32:35and you're going to lose an aircraft.
32:36If it's something totally
32:37outside of that,
32:38then, you know,
32:39obviously the implications
32:40from that are enormous as well.
32:42Nobody wants to go
32:44to the Admiral
32:44and say,
32:45sir,
32:46we're screwed.
32:47There's this aircraft
32:48that just got under the wire
32:50and we didn't even know
32:51they were there
32:51and they'd been there,
32:52you know,
32:53before.
32:54Oh my gosh.
32:55There is definitely
32:56this fear
32:58that either an adversary
32:59or someone else
33:01has developed a technology
33:03and every defense system
33:05we have developed
33:06over decades
33:07to protect our forces
33:09is irrelevant.
33:10And that's a scary thought
33:12if you're in the military.
33:13We're just trying
33:14to figure out
33:15exactly what we saw.
33:17If I hadn't seen it
33:18with my own eyes,
33:19I don't know
33:19if I would have believed it either.
33:29Coming up
33:30on Unidentified.
33:32What happens
33:33when it's behaving
33:33in a way
33:34that these guys
33:35and pilots are saying,
33:37I have no clue.
33:38Well, that's when you start
33:39seeing the expletives
33:40come over the radio.
33:47Hey.
33:48Hey, Steve.
33:49Listen, I was going
33:49through my notes.
33:51I was wondering
33:52if maybe I could
33:53share a few thoughts
33:53with you,
33:54get your opinion
33:54on a few things.
33:55Yeah, yeah.
33:56Lou Elizondo's investigation
33:57has raised
33:57a critical question.
33:59Why were the UFOs
34:00captured in all three
34:01F-18 videos
34:03seen near U.S. Navy
34:04carrier strike groups,
34:05even following one of them
34:07into a war zone?
34:10How do you know
34:12that a foreign adversary
34:13hasn't leapfrogged us
34:14in technology
34:15by a generation?
34:17How do you know
34:17we're not just seeing
34:18the new jet
34:19of the future?
34:20If anyone might know
34:21the answer,
34:22it's Steve Justice.
34:23In his three decades
34:24at Lockheed Martin Skunk Works,
34:25he helped design
34:26some of America's
34:27most advanced
34:28attack aircraft.
34:30Why would it be near
34:31carrier battle group?
34:33Okay, so what was
34:34the carrier doing
34:34at the time?
34:36Workups?
34:37Yep, it was doing workups.
34:38Okay, ready for deployment.
34:40Okay, and so
34:41would that be something
34:42an adversary
34:42would want to see?
34:43Damn well we want to know,
34:45yeah.
34:45I want to know anything
34:46and everything
34:46that our foreign adversaries
34:47are doing.
34:48And a workup
34:49is a perfect place
34:50to do it.
34:50Right, because comms
34:51and everything
34:51are being used.
34:52Well, and you're going
34:53to see that thing
34:54working as it's working
34:55in the field,
34:55and that's what I want
34:56to know.
34:56Right.
34:57But what happens
34:57when you don't have
34:58the pilots recognizing
34:59what it is
35:00and it's behaving
35:00in a way
35:01that these guys
35:02and pilots are saying
35:04I have no clue.
35:05Well that's when
35:06you start seeing
35:06the expletives
35:07come over the radio.
35:09That's fair.
35:10Expletives.
35:15A foreign adversary
35:16can't just send in
35:17a typical reconnaissance
35:19aircraft
35:19because we won't
35:20let them into our area.
35:21They would have to
35:22send in something
35:22that's super,
35:23super low observable,
35:24something that is
35:25super sophisticated
35:26and fast
35:26that can get in,
35:27look at what it is
35:28we're doing
35:29and then get back out.
35:30Right?
35:31I mean, we want
35:32that capability
35:33so why wouldn't
35:33a foreign adversary?
35:34Yeah.
35:35Well, you know,
35:35that's why I continue
35:36to doggedly pursue
35:38these what-if scenarios.
35:40My greatest fear
35:41is that an adversary
35:42did figure it out
35:43and we are just
35:45way, way, way,
35:46way, way behind.
35:48In their work
35:49inside highly classified
35:50programs,
35:51both Elizondo
35:52and Justice
35:53had access
35:54to much more information
35:55than they're able
35:56to reveal.
35:57I think we owe it
35:58to ourselves.
35:59I think we owe it
35:59to everybody
36:00that is relying on us
36:02to collect the information
36:03and be fair
36:03and objective, right?
36:05I'm really desperately
36:06trying to do that.
36:09But at the same time,
36:10I feel a little bit
36:10disingenuous
36:11because sometimes,
36:12you know,
36:13I might have,
36:13I might have
36:14inside knowledge.
36:15There's a lot of stuff
36:16that you have to leave
36:17partitioned off, okay?
36:18But I would say
36:20there's just too many
36:21pieces of the puzzle
36:23that don't make sense
36:25and it represents
36:26a set of capabilities
36:28that seem new
36:30to everybody
36:30in the community.
36:32If these aircraft
36:33had Russian
36:34or Chinese markings
36:35on them
36:35and they were zipping
36:36in and out of an aircraft
36:37carrier battle group,
36:38there would be a budget,
36:40you know,
36:40the size of this building
36:42designed to get
36:43to the bottom
36:43of how do they develop that
36:44and how do we replicate it
36:45and how do we defeat it?
36:46But none of that
36:47is happening here
36:47as far as we can tell.
36:49If these craft
36:50were sent by
36:51a foreign adversary,
36:52Elizondo says
36:53that threat
36:53would need to be
36:54reported to lawmakers.
36:56If anybody had
36:57this leapfrog technology,
36:58this would be
36:58a national intelligence
37:00collection priority,
37:01period.
37:02All hands on deck,
37:03Congress would be engaged,
37:04but we know
37:04that's not the case.
37:05We know that is a fact
37:06because we're talking
37:07to the highest levels
37:08of Congress.
37:09We're feeding them information.
37:11We know Congress
37:12is just as surprised
37:13by this as Joe Q. Public.
37:14Yeah.
37:15So, I mean,
37:16that is,
37:16that for me is,
37:17I mean,
37:17that's a deal,
37:18and if that's why
37:19I'm saying,
37:19if it is a foreign
37:20capability going on
37:20and this isn't occurred,
37:22dude, heads are going to roll.
37:24That's illegal.
37:25There's laws against that.
37:26You have to inform Congress.
37:29Something allegedly
37:30has been stalking
37:31America's nuclear-powered
37:32carrier strike groups,
37:33but neither Lou Elizondo
37:35or Steve Justice
37:36believe it's an enemy
37:37we know.
37:38I want to be careful
37:39we're not belligerent,
37:40you know,
37:40saying the Russians,
37:41the Chinese,
37:41that they're the big bad enemy
37:42because when it comes
37:43to this phenomenon,
37:45they're really not.
37:47They're in the same boat
37:48we're in.
37:53Hey, man.
37:54Unfortunately,
37:55I'm no longer interested
37:55in communicating
37:56about the matter
37:57we discussed earlier.
37:59I hope you can understand this.
38:01Good luck with everything.
38:03He's, uh,
38:04he's spooked.
38:04This is the second guy
38:06in a week now
38:06that was part
38:07of that effort
38:08on the Roosevelt
38:09in 2015
38:10that we've lost.
38:13Lou Elizondo
38:14convinced Navy pilot
38:15Lieutenant Ryan Graves
38:16to go public
38:17about his squadron's
38:18extraordinary encounters
38:19with UFOs.
38:22I've had conversations
38:23with friends
38:23from other squadrons
38:24and just,
38:25hey,
38:25there's stuff out there.
38:27I hope we don't hit it now
38:28because they're out there
38:29enough where
38:29someone could potentially
38:30have a midair.
38:31Something needs to be done.
38:33But after months
38:34of trying to persuade
38:34other pilots
38:35from the USS Theodore Roosevelt
38:36to speak out,
38:38Elizondo's hit a wall.
38:42The jet's
38:43weapons systems officer
38:44allegedly heard
38:45throughout the Roosevelt videos
38:47There's a whole fleet
38:47of them.
38:48Look on the ASA.
38:49has backed out
38:50of an interview.
38:51The person's voice
38:52you hear in that video,
38:54that is the guy
38:55that we were
38:57in contact with.
38:58This had the potential
38:59to really help
39:01shed light
39:02to get a better handle
39:03of what's going on.
39:04Kind of sucks,
39:05actually.
39:09While there are
39:10allegedly more than
39:1050 Navy personnel
39:11who witnessed
39:12these UFOs,
39:14nearly all
39:14are afraid
39:15to come forward.
39:21So how you been, man?
39:22Good.
39:23So,
39:24how you feeling
39:25about this?
39:25I'm feeling pretty good.
39:27But Lieutenant Ryan Graves
39:28has been summoned
39:29to the nation's capital
39:30for a closed-door meeting
39:31with members of Congress
39:32responsible
39:33for national security.
39:35They want to hear
39:36what happened
39:36when a fleet of UFOs
39:38appeared to stalk
39:39his carrier strike group.
39:42I'm not here
39:42to speculate
39:43or guess what it is.
39:44I can just simply provide
39:45as many facts
39:46as I can about this.
39:48The fact
39:48that Lieutenant Graves
39:50is willing to
39:50put his career
39:52at risk
39:52and speak out publicly
39:53about this
39:54while he's still
39:54active-duty military
39:56really speaks volumes
39:57about the frustration
39:59in trying to work
40:00through the system.
40:01One can only hope
40:02that his courage
40:03will be rewarded
40:04and that people
40:06will pay attention.
40:07What would you like
40:08to walk away with
40:09at the end of this meeting
40:10you're about to have today?
40:11There's two issues here.
40:12One,
40:14people aren't paying attention.
40:16And two,
40:17there's a credibility problem
40:19and a stigma
40:20related to this.
40:21By observing hard facts
40:24and data
40:24from professionals
40:25and from our
40:26sensor systems,
40:27we can bring this to light
40:29in such a way
40:30that you can't just refute
40:31by saying,
40:31I don't believe you.
40:33Man, I hope you get a chance
40:34to tell them that.
40:37Like Lieutenant Graves,
40:40Lou Elizondo
40:40made his own decision
40:41to speak out
40:42when he quit
40:42the Pentagon's
40:43secret UFO unit
40:44in 2017.
40:46I think what
40:47Lou Elizondo
40:49and others have done
40:49is kind of
40:51break that mold
40:52a little bit
40:52where it's okay
40:53to talk about this stuff.
40:54I mean,
40:55I've asked members
40:55of Congress about it
40:56and they will tell me,
40:57yeah, you know,
40:58there may be
40:59something to this.
41:01There's also
41:01a new generation
41:02of members of Congress.
41:04They're younger,
41:04they're more open-minded,
41:05they're not afraid
41:07to ask tough questions.
41:09I think we're now
41:10seeing a generation
41:12of elected leaders
41:13but also
41:13national security officials
41:15who are more willing
41:15to talk about this issue
41:16and don't see it
41:17as much
41:18as a third rail.
41:20I think ultimately
41:21it's a discussion
41:21the American people
41:22have to have
41:23with themselves
41:23and then tell
41:24your political leaders
41:25what you expect
41:26and what you want done.
41:33Lieutenant Grave's
41:34secret meeting
41:34lasted 90 minutes.
41:36It was off
41:36any public schedule
41:37and unknown
41:38to members of the press.
41:40How did it go?
41:40It seems like
41:41they recognize
41:41there is an issue
41:42and they generally
41:43want to figure out
41:44what it is.
41:45His account was heard
41:46by members
41:47of the congressional committees
41:48that oversee
41:49national security
41:50as well as a team
41:51from the Defense Department.
41:56At what point
41:57was it that people
41:58just stopped
41:58being interested
41:59and unexplained things?
42:01I mean,
42:02that's kind of
42:03what drives us, right?
42:03We get out there
42:04and we're learning
42:05new things.
42:06At least that's
42:06what drives me.
42:07We're trying to explore
42:08the unknown.
42:10To see something
42:11every day
42:12and just kind of
42:13brush it aside
42:14and not want to
42:15raise the question
42:16about, hey,
42:17this is curious.
42:17Maybe we should figure
42:18something out about this.
42:20It's just extremely
42:21frustrating that
42:22potentially
42:22whether this is
42:23some type of threat
42:25globally here
42:26if we have
42:27some type of
42:29red air threat
42:30that's out there
42:30gathering our waveforms
42:31and our tactics
42:32or something else
42:34if we're not curious
42:36then what are we?
42:39On the next
42:40Unidentified.
42:41I didn't really
42:42want to talk about it
42:44but I guess
42:45the cat's out of the bag.
42:46Whatever these UFOs were,
42:48wherever they're from,
42:49they had an intense interest
42:50in anything nuclear.
42:52Tell me
42:53what you experienced
42:54back in 1980.
42:55The on-duty police lieutenant
42:57came in
42:57white as a sheet
42:58and he said
42:59we saw lights in the forest
43:00and there was something
43:00out there.
43:02I'm observing what appears
43:03to be a beam
43:03coming down to the ground.
43:05I'm thinking
43:05is this some kind
43:06of communication?
43:07I couldn't believe
43:08what was happening.
43:09They didn't want
43:11the world to know
43:12which is kind of scary
43:14because you don't know
43:14what else they're covering up.
43:16to be able
43:16They don't want
43:16to know
43:16to know
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