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Robert A. Monroe era un uomo d'affari americano della Virginia.
Nel 1958, inizia a sperimentare ciò che ha descritto come 'fuori dal corpo', un termine che sarà diffuso dalla pubblicazione del suo primo libro nel 1971 'Viaggi Fuori dal Corpo'.
Il suo lavoro e la ricerca sugli stati alterati di coscienza che ha portato allo sviluppo di un metodo per la sincronizzazione emisferica con l'uso di suoni, conosciuta con il nome di Hemi-Sync.
Nel 1974 ha fondato l'Istituto Monroe, una organizzazione non-profit dedicata all'esplorazione della coscienza umana.
Sito ufficiale: http://www.monroeinstitute.org/robert-monroe/
Nel 1958, inizia a sperimentare ciò che ha descritto come 'fuori dal corpo', un termine che sarà diffuso dalla pubblicazione del suo primo libro nel 1971 'Viaggi Fuori dal Corpo'.
Il suo lavoro e la ricerca sugli stati alterati di coscienza che ha portato allo sviluppo di un metodo per la sincronizzazione emisferica con l'uso di suoni, conosciuta con il nome di Hemi-Sync.
Nel 1974 ha fondato l'Istituto Monroe, una organizzazione non-profit dedicata all'esplorazione della coscienza umana.
Sito ufficiale: http://www.monroeinstitute.org/robert-monroe/
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00:04How did I get into this field?
00:05It was 32 years ago that I first got into this field.
00:12How did I get into this field?
00:15By accident. Sort of like the monkey who fell out of the tree.
00:22My company, which I had at the time,
00:26I was involved up until 1956 in very extensive network radio programs,
00:36which means dramatic programs for radio nationwide and overseas.
00:43And in 1956 we had the choice of whether we converted all the way into television.
00:51And so we had started to do so until we discovered a very interesting thing.
00:58Now we had been doing these radio programs for many years
01:02and what we discovered was that it was like seeing a movie all over again.
01:11This is where we came in because we were taking exactly the same thing
01:16that we had done 8 to 10 years earlier and putting a picture to it.
01:21It was nothing more to us than radio with a picture.
01:27So we did not think that we wanted to go through this all over again.
01:30There must be something better to do than to go into television.
01:34And we had already two quiz shows in television
01:37and found that this was nice, but there must be something better.
01:44So as the head of the company and knowing in American language
01:51we have something that says you pass the buck.
01:54The buck ends with the president of the company,
01:58the responsibility, as does the authority.
02:01So I decided we would try something else.
02:05And being very professional in sound,
02:08we naturally began to think of some way to use sound
02:12as a new means of a new direction for our company.
02:20And what we first came up with and started conducting
02:25in our research and development division of our company
02:28was how to help people learn while they are asleep.
02:36A very interesting parable that all the way back in 1956
02:39we started conducting studies how to do this.
02:44And the first problem was how to get people to sleep.
02:48Because you can't take a subject and say,
02:50Now, go to sleep.
02:52You have to, and you do not want to give them
02:56chemicals or drugs to go to sleep
02:57because that won't serve the purpose.
03:00So we began to use sound
03:03to help people to get to sleep.
03:05And that's how we first began to get into the technology
03:08of what we have since become.
03:13But along the way
03:15a very interesting thing took place.
03:19In that research pattern
03:21I was the chief subject
03:23because I demanded it
03:24because I was very curious.
03:27So as the chief subject
03:28in all of these patterns
03:30of finding ways to help people
03:33go to sleep by sound use
03:38evidently something
03:39I absorbed something
03:41because in 1958 then
03:43I had this great
03:47frightening, terrifying change
03:49take place in my life.
03:52And I have written about this
03:54as you know in several books
03:55and that's very
03:55I guess common knowledge
03:57even throughout the world
03:59because the books
04:00have been translated
04:01into various languages.
04:03But simply put
04:05at that time
04:06I began to experience
04:08moving out of my body.
04:10And
04:13that was
04:16the final thing
04:18of something
04:19that had begun
04:20a year at least
04:22or more
04:22before that time
04:23I began to have
04:25quote
04:26dreams
04:26about
04:28and I was an airplane pilot
04:30so you can understand
04:31how that would take place.
04:33I began to have dreams
04:35about
04:36taxiing
04:37to the runway
04:37on an airport
04:39and getting the plane
04:40off the ground
04:41and once I got it
04:42off the ground
04:43that I would look up
04:44and here are all these wires
04:46it was as if one were
04:47flying down the street
04:48and there were all these
04:49power lines overhead
04:51and telephone lines
04:52and you couldn't find a hole
04:53to get out of it.
04:55And
04:55that dream had gone on
04:57a recurring dream
04:58for at least a year.
05:01And then
05:02shortly before this
05:03big thing took place
05:05in 58
05:07I also began to experience
05:09a funny kind of vibration
05:12and I went to my
05:13it was as if my body
05:14were shaking
05:15but there was no
05:15feeling of shaking
05:17it was just
05:18internal
05:20and
05:21I went hurrying
05:22to my favorite
05:23doctor
05:24and he examined me
05:26and says
05:26oh you are working
05:27too hard
05:27you are stressful
05:28there's nothing wrong
05:29with you
05:30go
05:32take a pill
05:33and relax
05:33or something
05:34well
05:34not necessarily
05:35being a pill taker
05:37that did not work
05:37too well
05:38but in any event
05:39after
05:41many times
05:42like 25 or 30
05:44more times
05:45of experiencing
05:45this
05:46vibration
05:47I thought
05:47well
05:48and fighting to get out
05:49of it is the point
05:50I just pull myself
05:51away from this vibration
05:54the next step was
05:56well
05:56this is
05:57this will never get anywhere
05:58I'm too frightened
06:00about it
06:00if it's going to kill me
06:01let it kill me
06:02so
06:04with that in mind
06:05one particular
06:08afternoon
06:08when I was lying down
06:10I said
06:11alright fine
06:12the vibration came
06:13if it's going to kill me
06:14let it kill me
06:15so I waited
06:15and waited
06:16and waited
06:16and after a while
06:17after about
06:17five minutes
06:19it faded away
06:19and I was still alive
06:20so I thought
06:21ha
06:21now I know
06:22it won't kill me
06:23so I'm on safe ground
06:25so after that
06:26I began to
06:27simply let it happen
06:29and wait
06:30that five minutes
06:31so I could do something
06:33and on this one
06:34famous night
06:35as were in 1958
06:38I was lying in bed
06:40on a Friday night
06:43waiting for this vibration
06:44to end
06:45so I could go to sleep
06:46and as I was lying there
06:48thinking
06:50about what I was going to do
06:51the next day
06:52while this vibration
06:53got through
06:54doing what it was supposed to do
06:55I was thinking
06:56how nice Saturday morning
06:58was going to be
06:59because we had had
07:01what we call
07:01a cold front
07:02come through
07:03and there would be
07:04strong northwest winds
07:06and there would be
07:07great thermal action
07:08so being much
07:09into sailplanes
07:10and gliders
07:10at that time
07:11the soaring
07:12was going to be tremendous
07:13and as a result
07:15this was my
07:17sense of great
07:19joy
07:20and anticipation
07:21as I was waiting
07:23for this vibration
07:23to end
07:24and as I waited
07:27and waited
07:27and thought
07:29how nice this
07:29was going to be
07:30suddenly
07:31I felt something
07:32bumping against
07:33my shoulder
07:34and that of course
07:35is part of the history
07:38when I discovered
07:39that what I was bumping
07:40against
07:41was the ceiling
07:42of my bedroom
07:44and that bumping
07:46turned around
07:47and I did not know
07:48where I was
07:48until I saw this
07:50funny sort of
07:51a fountain
07:52coming out
07:53of what I thought
07:54was the floor
07:54and I thought
07:56where am I
07:56this is a funny
07:57kind of dream
07:58and I looked
07:59more closely
08:00and I thought
08:01there's something
08:01terribly wrong
08:02this is not a fountain
08:03this is the chandelier
08:05the light fixture
08:06coming out of the ceiling
08:07so I looked around
08:08and sure enough
08:08down there
08:09in the bed
08:10below me
08:11was my wife
08:13lying in bed
08:14and beside it
08:14was a man
08:15in bed
08:16and I said
08:16what kind of dream
08:17is this
08:17this is a strange dream
08:20who
08:20who would I think of
08:22who would be in bed
08:23with my wife
08:24and I said
08:25I can't resist
08:26finding out
08:27so I moved
08:28a little closer
08:30and then this
08:31great shock
08:31came over me
08:32because
08:32the person in bed
08:34with my wife
08:35was me
08:36and then the fright
08:37came
08:38the terror
08:38what am I doing
08:39am I dying
08:40let me get back
08:41quick
08:41something
08:42so I went
08:43through the air
08:43like this
08:44swimming through the air
08:45to get back
08:45in the body
08:46and bang
08:46got back
08:47in the body
08:48that was the first time
08:50that I
08:51in turn
08:52found out
08:53and then very quickly
08:54I sat up
08:54and everything was quiet
08:55I was
08:56my heart was racing
08:57because I was excited
08:59but
09:00everything else was fine
09:01my wife's asleep
09:02quiet
09:03nothing
09:03no problem
09:04so
09:06that is exactly
09:07how it began
09:08all the way back
09:09in 1958
09:11it took
09:14many visits
09:15to
09:15a doctor
09:17to find out
09:17that I did not
09:19have a brain tumor
09:20it took
09:22reassurances
09:23from a
09:25very well known
09:27psychiatrist friend
09:28who said
09:29I can certify
09:30that you're sane
09:31Bob
09:31I said
09:32well what's the matter
09:33with me
09:33what's this thing
09:35that's happening
09:35to me
09:35and he said
09:37well
09:37I think
09:38that you are
09:40doing what is known
09:41as conscious dreaming
09:42and I looked at him
09:44and I said
09:45what's conscious dreaming
09:47he says
09:48I don't know
09:48I just made it up
09:50and I said
09:51thank you
09:51thank you
09:52and
09:54I then
09:54got together
09:56with my
09:56psychologist friend
09:58and I said
09:59Brad
10:01what do I do
10:02what do I do
10:02about this thing
10:02he says
10:03oh that's
10:03easy
10:04I says
10:05what
10:05he says
10:05they do it
10:06in India
10:06all the time
10:07they know
10:08all about it
10:08in India
10:09and I said
10:10well what
10:11what should I do
10:12then
10:12he says
10:13well I would
10:14I would think
10:15you should go
10:15to India
10:16and
10:18study under a guru
10:19and live in an ashram
10:20until you know
10:21all about it
10:22and I said
10:23well
10:23how long would that take
10:25and he said
10:27oh probably 10 or 20 years
10:29I said
10:3010 or 20 years
10:31what about my business
10:33what about my mortgaged house
10:35what about my wife
10:36and my two children
10:37he says
10:38oh this is important
10:39and I
10:40looked at him
10:41very
10:41in the face
10:42and I said
10:43Brad
10:45if this were you
10:47what would you do
10:48and he looked at me
10:50with this
10:50and I said
10:51he says
10:51Robert
10:52he says
10:53it's not happening to me
10:54it's happening to you
10:56and he
10:57waved goodbye
10:59so
10:59that was the response
11:01of
11:02that beginning
11:04and
11:04being of a stubborn variety
11:06and knowing that I did not have a brain tumor
11:08knowing that physically I was alright
11:11and
11:11the two people that I trusted most in the
11:14in the mental health field
11:16knew me so well
11:18that they said
11:19oh you have no mental problem
11:20what does one do
11:22so
11:23the natural response
11:25that I had
11:26in my way of thinking
11:27being a western mind
11:30I couldn't see
11:30going
11:31to India
11:32and spending 10 years
11:34living in an ashram
11:36that would not be very comfortable for me
11:38and also
11:39that's not the way I think
11:40I'm a western mind
11:42so being very stubborn
11:43what I did
11:44is to
11:45turn around
11:46and
11:46establish
11:47a research and development division
11:49in my company
11:50taking the one that we had
11:52and moved it over
11:54in this other direction
11:54to find out
11:55what's happening to me
11:56or find out something
11:57so that I in turn
11:59could
12:01have
12:01some answers for me
12:03so it was a very selfish motivation
12:05and in the beginning
12:06it was nothing noble
12:07or
12:09wanting to help the world
12:10or humankind
12:11not that at all
12:12I needed the help
12:13I had a company
12:15that could
12:16spend R&D funds
12:17to do this
12:18and that's how it began
12:20and
12:21a footnote
12:23bear in mind
12:25that it took
12:26a full year
12:28after this first took place
12:30for me
12:31to finally come to the conclusion
12:34that this was real
12:36that it was not a dream
12:38that it was not an hallucination
12:40that it actually took place
12:41because
12:41my left brain
12:43my intellect
12:44my analytical part of me
12:46had to be
12:48knowing this
12:49not believing it
12:50and it took
12:50not a great
12:54adventure
12:54or a great
12:55something that took place
12:56it was an accumulation
12:58of one verification
12:59after another
13:00again and again
13:01and again
13:02and after a while
13:03I said
13:04myself
13:05my brain
13:06my
13:08left brain
13:09my total self
13:09had to say
13:10yes this is real
13:12there's too much evidence
13:13never mind the world
13:14but for me
13:15and that's how it began
13:17Bob
13:18after
13:20you
13:21began this
13:22this investigation
13:25into your own experiences
13:27out of your own
13:27need to understand
13:29what was happening
13:30out of that
13:31came
13:32Hemisync
13:33could you tell us
13:35how the
13:36the information
13:38about these
13:39the influence
13:40of these
13:41sound patterns
13:42with the kind of experience
13:44that you were researching
13:45how did that connection
13:46get made for you
13:48well
13:49again
13:50first and foremost
13:50I was the prime subject
13:52that
13:53that
13:53we're going all the way back to
13:55when
13:56I was in New York
13:59and had offices in New York
14:00and had a house
14:02in Westchester County
14:03and I secretly
14:05put a laboratory
14:06on our property
14:08in Westchester
14:09because
14:09New York
14:11somehow felt
14:12too noisy
14:12so I
14:13we had this R&D program
14:14built into
14:16a 25 acre
14:18place up in
14:20Westchester County
14:23it started very simply
14:25we already knew
14:26how to put people
14:27to sleep
14:28so then it began
14:30to say
14:31well what
14:32is this
14:32and how are we doing this
14:34and we started with a very
14:36sound scientific base
14:38of using
14:39uh
14:40uh
14:41uh
14:43sine waves
14:43that replicated
14:44the brain waves
14:46in the human mind
14:47the human brain
14:48to in turn
14:50induce this sleep
14:51well it didn't take much more
14:53pattern
14:54searching
14:55to determine
14:56that
14:58if we
14:59adjusted those
15:00into areas
15:01that we didn't
15:02had not looked at
15:03before
15:03we would begin to find
15:05something else
15:05and sure enough
15:07we did
15:07and it was all the way
15:09back there
15:09in 1960
15:11that we first
15:12began
15:13to use
15:14what we
15:15have called
15:16in recent years
15:17frequency following response
15:18and that's where
15:20uh
15:21that's different
15:22from
15:23hemisync
15:24it's different from
15:25uh
15:25a binaural beat
15:27type
15:27this
15:28you can hear in open air
15:29it doesn't require headphones
15:31to have maximum
15:32ability
15:33to listen to it
15:35and we used that very
15:36very broadly
15:37for a number of years
15:40in terms of the
15:41hemisync process itself
15:44uh
15:44the hemisync process
15:46didn't really take place
15:48until the 70s
15:49and by that time
15:50we had
15:51uh
15:51we had moved over to
15:53charlottesville
15:53virginia
15:54and gotten into cable television
15:56and
15:57uh
15:58that was
15:59the new thing to do
16:01as against radio stations
16:02and
16:03we had
16:04through
16:05an association
16:07with about
16:07by that time
16:08I had accumulated
16:09about eight or nine
16:10different engineers
16:11and scientists
16:12and doctors
16:13in virginia
16:14and we
16:16as a group
16:17it was nothing again
16:18mystical
16:19or magical
16:19we decided
16:20that would be the good way
16:21to do it
16:22to create a binaural beat
16:23and that's how
16:24hemisync was born
16:26and that is
16:27you know how it works
16:28I'm sure
16:28that's by setting
16:29one kind of signal
16:31say a hundred hertz signal
16:33in this ear
16:34and
16:34then a hundred and four hertz
16:36over here
16:36and the differential
16:38that four hertz
16:39is
16:41synthesized
16:41by the mind
16:42the brain
16:43you can't hear it
16:44it's too low
16:45in frequency to hear
16:46but
16:47it is very effective
16:48to get that four hertz
16:50which is a brainwave frequency
16:52into the human mind
16:53that's a brainwave
16:53because theseические
16:53therapies have
16:53not doing this
16:53whereby
16:54that